<!--QuoteBegin--nooblar+Oct 4 2003, 09:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (nooblar @ Oct 4 2003, 09:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i can make myself sick or cure myself from being sick lol. how do i do it? ez as 1 2 3 but it takes a while until u get good at it. STEP 1 TO MAKE YOURSELF SICK: find a suitable spot where you can think very easily. 2: think of a sickness you want. STEP 3: repeditivy for a long time say in your head something like "i have a sorethrought" or "i want a sorethrought" and w/e sentance that you can repeat that can give you the sickness. STEP 1 TO CURE YOURSELF FROM A SICKNESS: just think it away. like "i do not need you anymore sorethrought germ (or w/e the real name is)" and w/e else you can think of that would rid of it. REPEAT THE THOUGHTS.
oh and the more you do this the better you get. same with setting your biological clock. heres how i do it
before i go to sleep i take a very hot iron stamp that has the time i want to wake up at and keep stamping it on my brain until i feel i am done doing it. remember think it.
also to add to all of them you can sometimes say cause it can work to. visualizing helps also. did i explain this good enough so you can under stand me? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I used to fill our bathtub full of cold water, sit in it. Then flood it with hot water. I got really sick <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Prophecy, Divination, and Faith Healing Modern-day Swindlers and How They Deceive, Cheating Us Out of Billions Annually.
"Religious" services on cable TV and after-dark infomercials are stealing billions from the gullible in our society, including the elderly and those who are less fortunate, by promising healing, financial largesse, and advice on people's love lives and futures, through charismatic preachers, financial "gurus," and "900 number" psychics.
The record is dismal indeed: never has there been a proven case of faith healing; financial "gurus" have only proven that one way to get rich is to sell a "How To" kit on getting rich; and out of approximately 2400 psychics from the Psychic Network, not one predicted they were going belly-up.
Psychics and astrologers who offer us prophecies have been notably unable to predict their own futures, and have missed the most important events in history, while concentrating on who in Hollywood is seeing who. Surely, this is an aspect that gives us a clear indication of their credibility.
So, why are people so committed to embracing this nonsense? Judging from the fortunes of televangelists, infomercial "gurus," and spiritualists who speak with the dead, we apparently are easily deceived.
This really is no big deal, right? After all, many of us participate just for fun. So, what's the harm? James Randi outlines the harm, which is especially dangerous in today's world of computers, the Internet and wireless communications, revealing these charlatans for what they truly are by dramatically explaining and demonstrating their techniques for faith-healing, predicting the future, and speaking to the dead. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This kind of reminds me of that dude named Billy Hinn, who went around faking his own self; pretending he could heal people and whatnot. The funny thing is, he lives in a mansion and on the offering letter, it says something along the lines of 1)1-10dollars. 2)10-100 dollars. 3)100-10000 dollars. People later found out that he was talking to dead people, which is necromancy.
Also, in my area, there was this infomercial on television on a local channel. These people sold holy water for 25 dollars, saying that they would pray for those who bought it and that it would help them in their daily lives. Rooflles.
But anyways, that website of James Randi is pretty biased. The real prophets and psychics wouldn't go around doing services on phone lines or television. It would be a personal private thing or something God wouldn't want them to share to the whole world. In other words, the true people out there, and I know there are some are not in it for the money.
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Dont look at me I'll just stick to reading my manga and thats good enogh for me lol
Just for a note... Psi isn't about reading minds, or projecting thoughts, or moving things. It's about manipulating energy. Everything is energy, so you can manipulate pretty much anything with enough practice and power.
Also, here is, I hope, some proof about psi. Someone has a small piece of aluminium foil on a cork, covered with a container, and is using psi to spin it... It's a video.
Let me show you the website of <a href='http://www.davidcopperfield.com/' target='_blank'>A Real Magician™</a>. This guy has made a SPACESHUTTLE disappear once! The site also shows a video of him making paper fly (under the media section)! If the guy weren't already a millionaire, he'd probably enter the James Randi contest. I would do so right away if I had psychic powers. Then again, there'd probably be other, much more discrete ways to get the great bling bling. Guy walking past me on the street? A stern glance later, he suddenly feels an inexplicable urge to transfer all his money to my bank-account. Good thing that evil people like me are completely imbalanced and naturally forbidden from harnessing psi-powers.
Edit: I haven't been nice, I know. But take a look at Mr. Copperfield. His tricks are nearly impossible to see through, but tricks they are. The man is nothing if not a genious of deception, but he is a normal human. There is nothing supernatural about him. Autosuggestion will get you pretty far too. Meditation can put you into a trance so deep that reality and imagination becomes hard to seperate. It's easy to imagine that you've made things fly or made the room cooler (sitting still for a long time will also lower your heart rate, making you freeze. Try sitting in front of the computer for a night).
there is an ongoing challenge by a billionare to prove that there is a "psi" energy in the universe..it was in my psychology textbook... there have been hundreds of attempts to gain the $10,000,000 prize to be the first to prove it....heres an example:
Dr: what do u see? Psycic: i see a very strong psy aura about you...very powerful. Dr: what does it see/feel like? psy: blue waves of mystic energy? Dr. well, if i have this extraordanary amount of energy around me, then you should be able to see exactly where i am behind this screen, as it should radiate all around me.... Psy: uhhh......*runs away*
and so on.... and no one has a shred of proof about any of it. so i guess u can chalk me up as a non-believer
Btw. CForrester, is there anything special about that video? I can't seem to find the right codec, and I'd like to have a look at it (hey, if I find no way to refute it, you may have a new follower).
<!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Oct 5 2003, 04:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Oct 5 2003, 04:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, here is, I hope, some proof about psi. Someone has a small piece of aluminium foil on a cork, covered with a container, and is using psi to spin it... It's a video.
<a href='http://www.themur.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/annie00.avi' target='_blank'>Here</a>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I saw this video and hte other ones at that psi pog site, and to be honest all they did was convince me even MORE that this stuff was made up. Especially the cheesy ones made with $15 webcams that were obviously done with stop-motion animation (or whatever it is called, the way they do clay stuff). The only one that shows a small amount of possibility of authenticity is the one where the pinwheel is spinning under the glass case, and even that could be faked a lot easier than it could be done for real...
Actually I think psi does exist. Try this. Put one hand around your wrist, close it real tight so that the blood pressure is halted from and fro to your hand. Close your hands 10 times, slap each finger, scretch the skin out on each on so that your hand turns pure white. Release your wrist and while it is being released put your finger from the other hand around and not touching in a circular motion on the other hand. You will feel like energy is being drawn out of you in the same motion you wave your finger.
I'd like to see if I can clear some stuff up in this thread...
1) Psi is not supernatural. It's completely and utterly natural. Everything is made up of energy. Psi is the manipulation of that energy.
2) Any psionist worth his pance isn't going to go around entering contests and publicly announcing it. Why? He'll be ridiculed. People have trouble with things that aren't physical. Psi isn't physical.
3) To anyone who may be thinking it: Psi is NOT a religion, organization, or club.
4) David Copperfield may just be using sleight of hand tricks, or he may be a psionist. If he were a psionist, however, he'd have to be a REALLY good one. Why? He'd either have to make large amounts of energy become non-visible, or he'd have to alter millions of minds across the continent. It's unlikely that he is.
5) Psi IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY TELEKINESIS! Telekinesis is only ONE part of psi. A while ago, someone said to me, in a different thread, "If psi is real, make my lawn mow itself." Something along those lines. That's telekinesis, and it does NOT WORK THAT WAY. Just pulling the ripcord for the mower motor would take years and years of training, let alone moving it.
I'm not trying to force anyone to believe in psi, I'm stating the facts here. How would you feel if I said... "Gravity is not real. All they did was use stop-frame animation." You'd get indignant and say "Well, it's all around me right now!" It's the same with psi. It's all around you right now. Gravity isn't proven. How do you know we just don't have a giant, invisible creature holding us all down? Or a giant blanket over our heads?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Especially the cheesy ones made with $15 webcams<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You can't honestly expect them to buy $200-$400 cameras just to prove it to you? They made those videos to share their accomplishments with other psionists, not to prove that psi exists. A psionist won't try to prove that psi is real.
To all skeptics: Thank you. You've made your point 'I don't believe.' Nobody really cares - we don't care that you don't believe, and we aren't going to try and make you believe, so just LEAVE the thread to the people who ARE interested in it. This isn't an argument about whether or not it exists, it's changed from that. So if all you have to contribute to the thread is "That could be faked SO easily," or "I don't believe it," or "What about THIS, then?", then just go away. It's not needed nor wanted. This is not a discussion of what Psi/etc is, or how it works. It may have used to be that, but it is not any more. And in getting rid of all the skeptics, the thread has suddenly become a whole lot cooler.
Also, does anybody know what Ki is, in relation to Psi? I'm under the impression that they're basically the same thing, but Ki is more powerful and destructive if you want it to be, whereas Psi is harnessing energy that can't do damage easily.
Ki is is an Anctient Chinese form though......YOu need to know Chinese...... I guess I just butted in I guess I should keep on going as I have alreaady started <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I tried the PSI ball thing, and OMG, It worked. My hands got all hot out of no where. Wierd and I didnt even Have to focus very hard...I am no supernaturalist but this is kinda creepy...
although, it didnt work for me <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
This is to strange for me, Oh well something to take my mind of skiinning and reading manga all day. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Ok. Fine. If you are going to keep holding on to your beliefs, there isn't much I can do about it, is there? I'll stop trying. You've heard my views. You've said you don't care, we've taken our positions and nobody's wavering. The discussion is over, we are at a stalemate.
But I'm still warning you: Believing in this stuff can make you very vulnerable. Note the "can". If you think you'll be fine, you'll probably be fine. But always be careful. There are people who will try to mess with your mind using your belief in this stuff, merely for kicks.
There is this spiritual game (called "spirit in the glass" in danish), the one where a group of people move a glass or something about a board with letters to give them answers to questions. Each person has a finger lightly resting on the glass, and they move it about with their psi-powers. In the example I previously mentioned, the group had been doing this for some time that evening. They had started by asking the spirit questions to which they already knew the answer. The spirit answered correctly every single time. They had then proceeded to ask other questions. And finally this boy asks the question: "How long have I left to live?" The glass answered: fourteen days. Imagine being told you have fourteen days left to live. The boy was terrified. Became paranoid, saw danger everywhere. After some days, he didn't even dare leave the house. In the end, he took his own life in despair. This is no proof that psi-power exists or not. We never found out if he would have died after fourteen days, since he took his life before the prophecy could be fulfilled. Maybe he would have died after fourteen days. Maybe someone in the group was manipulating the entire affair, gently pushing the glass around. I cannot begin to imagine how that person must've felt after the boy's death. What am I trying to say here? Being sceptic is the safest path to tread, but won't get you anywhere if psi-power really exists. If you must dabble in these affairs, take a path somewhere inbetween: NEVER throw your good judgement overboard, and ALWAYS stay alert to the possibility of manipulation and abuse on the part of others. Just play it safe. I don't want to lose fellow forumgoers to something that is nonsense in my opinion.
lolfighter, that is one of the biggest wastes of 10 minutes of typing time ive seen all day.
its basically assumed that when you stop being a skeptic and look into something like psi, youve researched it fairly thoroughly. you dont stop being a natural born skeptic just by thinking "hang on, maybe ive been too tough. ill just dive in head first and see if it works."
please, if you have nothing constructive [and POSITIVE] to say about the topic, dont say anything... especially dont reply to this
vash - seems youre a natural <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> you might want to try programming it, and just seeing what kind of stuff you can do with psiballs. however, dont tire yourself out. see how much you can do with them, what you can do with them, etc. for eg, you might want to try drawing energy from a different source [if you havent been already] so you dont get tired, then sending the psiball around somewhere, or try flaring it. master it first, before you try something else like telepathy <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
mine hasnt worked yet, although i only tried once and i launched immediately into it - no meditation or full concentration.
What I did was clasp my hands in a cup and think of the sun or some source of energy and imagine it going into my body at insane speeds, while intensely concentrating on the thought and the channelling of the energy. What happened was my hands go hot and hotter as I concentrated harder. I felt energy or something slowly moving in my hands. I released it and imagined it tapping my mom on the shoulder.. Soo cool.
I only believe stuff that I can see or feel for myself....Therefor, I don't believe in god or the devil....Is that a bad thing? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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Wait...lol...I just read up on the PSI stuff and it's actually pretty interesting...BUT! Can someone explain for me...
What the hell is a PSI ball?
What exactly is PSI?
I was reading a "guide" on how to do it and it was saying like "move the psi from your sternum to your hand"...I was like, what the hell??? Move what stuff?
SOrry im newb... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--eediot+Oct 5 2003, 08:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eediot @ Oct 5 2003, 08:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To all skeptics: Thank you. You've made your point 'I don't believe.' Nobody really cares - we don't care that you don't believe, and we aren't going to try and make you believe, so just LEAVE the thread to the people who ARE interested in it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not out to bash you or anyone else, nor did I declare anyone to be a crackpot or anything like that. I'm just trying to understand you psi people, that's all.
Can anyone do PSI? It seems like only certain individuals can.... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
energy is natural, some people are better and naturally adept at psi, but everyone has psi.
if you are not a natural, then you just need to practise harder. everyone can do psi.
a HUGE HUGE part of a psiball is visualising it, i think. you have to firmly visualise the energy moving into a poll on your hand, then forming into a ball.
i dont know much more than ive read, i havent made a psiball <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
edit: Here's CForrester - he will tell you all you need to know <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
There is no SET way to make a psiball. You can do anything.
Mullet: You say you only believe in what you can see or feel... You haven't seen gravity, have you? You can't feel it, it doesn't feel like anything. You can't see the electricity flowing between your appliances, can you?
<!--QuoteBegin--Venmoch+Oct 6 2003, 03:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Venmoch @ Oct 6 2003, 03:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> All I need to do is improve my visualisation skills.
Currently mine suck rather badly and as a result PSI can be difficult and frustrating at times.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Indeed it does
A way to make your psiballs work Venmoch,which I use by the way,is to close your eyes and visualize a stream of energy flowing into your hands,afterwards if you think there isnt enough,take more.Think it's enough,just keep taking in energy
Of course you can visualize whatever colour you want the stream to be,I tried black and it hurt like heck <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
EDIT : As for the question about Ki in the previous page,well it's just the chinese way of saying Psi,funny how both Feng Shui and Psi both manipulate natural energy :O
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> lolfighter, that is one of the biggest wastes of 10 minutes of typing time ive seen all day.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you're not going to listen to me, then you're right. I wasn't about to post here again, but it seems like I'm being misunderstood. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->its basically assumed that when you stop being a skeptic and look into something like psi, youve researched it fairly thoroughly.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No. Some people will just say "Wow, this is cool" and never stop and think for a minute. Like the poor boy I wrote about. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->you dont stop being a natural born skeptic just by thinking "hang on, maybe ive been too tough. ill just dive in head first and see if it works."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Couldn't agree more. I'm a sceptic, and nothing short of solid proof will change my mind. I could try doing this stuff, but what would that change? I wouldn't succeed, and you'd think that it's because I don't want to succeed, or have a negative and wry opinion about it. I'd see this as proof that I'm right, and you'd see it as proof that you need to believe in the stuff for it to work. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->please, if you have nothing constructive [and POSITIVE] to say about the topic, dont say anything... especially dont reply to this<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I have, at least with my previous post, been perfectly constructive. I pointed out that this stuff can be dangerous if you don't exercise good judgement. You cannot dismiss this as being "not constructive", because by doing so, you endanger yourself. See my example with the boy who committed suicide. A sensitive matter like this deserves attention. Shutting me out (or up) because I'm a critic and do not say anything positive about it is no solution. Any serious institution, religion, corporation or otherwise group of people lets critics stand forward and dispute their theories and practises. When they develop a new theory, serious scientists do their utmost to dispute it themselves, in order to make sure that it is not just some brainchild of theirs, but a valid, proven theory. Why should Psi be any different? The most successful way of dealing with a critic is to blow them away with stuff they can't refute. If I say that gravity is a lie and you proceed to jump up and down, there isn't much I can say anymore, is there? I've yet to see anyone do something like that with Psi. I'm open to solid arguments as well.
So it boils down to that I believe Psi is nonsense. Deal with it. I'm not about to hit you over the head with a physics book if you don't instantly repent and cleanse yourself with holy water. Some people think computer games are a complete waste of time (and there's a smidgen of truth in that), but I'm not crusading against them. This thread originally was about whether we believe in Psi or not. It's gone beyond that, you say. So have I. I'm not discussing whether Psi exists or not, since neither can yet be proven, only believed in. I am giving out a warning: Don't repeat the mistake that the poor boy made, don't throw your good judgement overboard. I don't consider good judgement to be an unreasonable demand. Do you?
I DO believe in Ouija boards, They are seriously evil and i quit playing...i think...
I played my first Ouija board at age 9. They were the neatest thing ever--My sister was talking to a board! I had to try it. Luckily the spirt was a White Spirit(good spirit) his name was John Anderson. He told us alot of info and answered all our questions -- it was amazing...
...At age 12 i was in Toys-R-Us and i found a Glow in the Dark Ouija board!!! It was about 14$ so i HAD to buy it. The board was NOT friendly and sad enough i had picked up a black spirit(bad, haunting spirit) everytime i wanted to talk he would throw the slider off the board(meaning he does not want to play).. I was angry and started to play and he kept on throwing it off the board. Sometimes he will talk but say things like "aowma24"(again, meaning he does not want to play..i wanted to return him <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->) After that week bad things started to happen in the house. Loud footsteps, we had 4 windows broken by the end of the week, i lost 3 family members in that year...After that, we called a witch doctor person and she told us a spirit was in the house i told her i played the Ouija board and she got really mad and told me to burn it. She had to burn it was some stuff(white flower, some water and a written letter(with spell on it i think) if i remmeber correct) after that our house and family was back to normal...
...At 14 i took a trip a Mexico and searched around and found the best/true Ouija boards ever. They are wooden and are really good. Thankfully i got a White Spirit named Cindy...She tells me alot of stuff and its great...
This may sound stupid but believe me its all true, I dont recommend anyone playing a Ouija board unless they are really sure, Hopefully you will get a White Spirit and not a black one. Enjoy your playing and NEVER, NEVER EVER play alone <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
If you need any help with a Ouija board you can email me at funhec02@yahoo.com
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well there is begginers luck if u believe in it.
*thinks "man having a hippie sister can really have its advantages!!!O.o HEY GET OUT OF MY MIND!!!"*
oh and the more you do this the better you get.
same with setting your biological clock. heres how i do it
before i go to sleep i take a very hot iron stamp that has the time i want to wake up at and keep stamping it on my brain until i feel i am done doing it. remember think it.
also to add to all of them you can sometimes say cause it can work to. visualizing helps also.
did i explain this good enough so you can under stand me? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I used to fill our bathtub full of cold water, sit in it. Then flood it with hot water. I got really sick <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Modern-day Swindlers and How They Deceive, Cheating Us Out of Billions Annually.
"Religious" services on cable TV and after-dark infomercials are stealing billions from the gullible in our society, including the elderly and those who are less fortunate, by promising healing, financial largesse, and advice on people's love lives and futures, through charismatic preachers, financial "gurus," and "900 number" psychics.
The record is dismal indeed: never has there been a proven case of faith healing; financial "gurus" have only proven that one way to get rich is to sell a "How To" kit on getting rich; and out of approximately 2400 psychics from the Psychic Network, not one predicted they were going belly-up.
Psychics and astrologers who offer us prophecies have been notably unable to predict their own futures, and have missed the most important events in history, while concentrating on who in Hollywood is seeing who. Surely, this is an aspect that gives us a clear indication of their credibility.
So, why are people so committed to embracing this nonsense? Judging from the fortunes of televangelists, infomercial "gurus," and spiritualists who speak with the dead, we apparently are easily deceived.
This really is no big deal, right? After all, many of us participate just for fun. So, what's the harm? James Randi outlines the harm, which is especially dangerous in today's world of computers, the Internet and wireless communications, revealing these charlatans for what they truly are by dramatically explaining and demonstrating their techniques for faith-healing, predicting the future, and speaking to the dead. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This kind of reminds me of that dude named Billy Hinn, who went around faking his own self; pretending he could heal people and whatnot. The funny thing is, he lives in a mansion and on the offering letter, it says something along the lines of 1)1-10dollars. 2)10-100 dollars. 3)100-10000 dollars. People later found out that he was talking to dead people, which is necromancy.
Also, in my area, there was this infomercial on television on a local channel. These people sold holy water for 25 dollars, saying that they would pray for those who bought it and that it would help them in their daily lives. Rooflles.
But anyways, that website of James Randi is pretty biased. The real prophets and psychics wouldn't go around doing services on phone lines or television. It would be a personal private thing or something God wouldn't want them to share to the whole world. In other words, the true people out there, and I know there are some are not in it for the money.
Also, here is, I hope, some proof about psi. Someone has a small piece of aluminium foil on a cork, covered with a container, and is using psi to spin it... It's a video.
<a href='http://www.themur.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/annie00.avi' target='_blank'>Here</a>.
Edit: I haven't been nice, I know. But take a look at Mr. Copperfield. His tricks are nearly impossible to see through, but tricks they are. The man is nothing if not a genious of deception, but he is a normal human. There is nothing supernatural about him. Autosuggestion will get you pretty far too. Meditation can put you into a trance so deep that reality and imagination becomes hard to seperate. It's easy to imagine that you've made things fly or made the room cooler (sitting still for a long time will also lower your heart rate, making you freeze. Try sitting in front of the computer for a night).
Dr: what do u see?
Psycic: i see a very strong psy aura about you...very powerful.
Dr: what does it see/feel like?
psy: blue waves of mystic energy?
Dr. well, if i have this extraordanary amount of energy around me, then you should be able to see exactly where i am behind this screen, as it should radiate all around me....
Psy: uhhh......*runs away*
and so on.... and no one has a shred of proof about any of it. so i guess u can chalk me up as a non-believer
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I saw this video and hte other ones at that psi pog site, and to be honest all they did was convince me even MORE that this stuff was made up. Especially the cheesy ones made with $15 webcams that were obviously done with stop-motion animation (or whatever it is called, the way they do clay stuff). The only one that shows a small amount of possibility of authenticity is the one where the pinwheel is spinning under the glass case, and even that could be faked a lot easier than it could be done for real...
EDIT: oops, you need two people to do this.
1) Psi is not supernatural. It's completely and utterly natural. Everything is made up of energy. Psi is the manipulation of that energy.
2) Any psionist worth his pance isn't going to go around entering contests and publicly announcing it. Why? He'll be ridiculed. People have trouble with things that aren't physical. Psi isn't physical.
3) To anyone who may be thinking it: Psi is NOT a religion, organization, or club.
4) David Copperfield may just be using sleight of hand tricks, or he may be a psionist. If he were a psionist, however, he'd have to be a REALLY good one. Why? He'd either have to make large amounts of energy become non-visible, or he'd have to alter millions of minds across the continent. It's unlikely that he is.
5) Psi IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY TELEKINESIS! Telekinesis is only ONE part of psi. A while ago, someone said to me, in a different thread, "If psi is real, make my lawn mow itself." Something along those lines. That's telekinesis, and it does NOT WORK THAT WAY. Just pulling the ripcord for the mower motor would take years and years of training, let alone moving it.
I'm not trying to force anyone to believe in psi, I'm stating the facts here. How would you feel if I said... "Gravity is not real. All they did was use stop-frame animation." You'd get indignant and say "Well, it's all around me right now!" It's the same with psi. It's all around you right now. Gravity isn't proven. How do you know we just don't have a giant, invisible creature holding us all down? Or a giant blanket over our heads?
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You can't honestly expect them to buy $200-$400 cameras just to prove it to you? They made those videos to share their accomplishments with other psionists, not to prove that psi exists. A psionist won't try to prove that psi is real.
Also, does anybody know what Ki is, in relation to Psi? I'm under the impression that they're basically the same thing, but Ki is more powerful and destructive if you want it to be, whereas Psi is harnessing energy that can't do damage easily.
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Have to focus very hard...I am no supernaturalist but this is kinda creepy...
although, it didnt work for me <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
im gonna try again soon, though
But I'm still warning you: Believing in this stuff can make you very vulnerable. Note the "can". If you think you'll be fine, you'll probably be fine. But always be careful. There are people who will try to mess with your mind using your belief in this stuff, merely for kicks.
There is this spiritual game (called "spirit in the glass" in danish), the one where a group of people move a glass or something about a board with letters to give them answers to questions. Each person has a finger lightly resting on the glass, and they move it about with their psi-powers. In the example I previously mentioned, the group had been doing this for some time that evening. They had started by asking the spirit questions to which they already knew the answer. The spirit answered correctly every single time. They had then proceeded to ask other questions. And finally this boy asks the question: "How long have I left to live?" The glass answered: fourteen days.
Imagine being told you have fourteen days left to live. The boy was terrified. Became paranoid, saw danger everywhere. After some days, he didn't even dare leave the house. In the end, he took his own life in despair.
This is no proof that psi-power exists or not. We never found out if he would have died after fourteen days, since he took his life before the prophecy could be fulfilled. Maybe he would have died after fourteen days. Maybe someone in the group was manipulating the entire affair, gently pushing the glass around. I cannot begin to imagine how that person must've felt after the boy's death.
What am I trying to say here? Being sceptic is the safest path to tread, but won't get you anywhere if psi-power really exists. If you must dabble in these affairs, take a path somewhere inbetween: NEVER throw your good judgement overboard, and ALWAYS stay alert to the possibility of manipulation and abuse on the part of others.
Just play it safe. I don't want to lose fellow forumgoers to something that is nonsense in my opinion.
its basically assumed that when you stop being a skeptic and look into something like psi, youve researched it fairly thoroughly. you dont stop being a natural born skeptic just by thinking "hang on, maybe ive been too tough. ill just dive in head first and see if it works."
please, if you have nothing constructive [and POSITIVE] to say about the topic, dont say anything... especially dont reply to this
vash - seems youre a natural <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> you might want to try programming it, and just seeing what kind of stuff you can do with psiballs. however, dont tire yourself out. see how much you can do with them, what you can do with them, etc. for eg, you might want to try drawing energy from a different source [if you havent been already] so you dont get tired, then sending the psiball around somewhere, or try flaring it. master it first, before you try something else like telepathy <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
mine hasnt worked yet, although i only tried once and i launched immediately into it - no meditation or full concentration.
What I did was clasp my hands in a cup and think of the sun or some source of energy and imagine it going into my body at insane speeds, while intensely concentrating on the thought and the channelling of the energy. What happened was my hands go hot and hotter as I concentrated harder. I felt energy or something slowly moving in my hands. I released it and imagined it tapping my mom on the shoulder.. Soo cool.
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Wait...lol...I just read up on the PSI stuff and it's actually pretty interesting...BUT! Can someone explain for me...
What the hell is a PSI ball?
What exactly is PSI?
I was reading a "guide" on how to do it and it was saying like "move the psi from your sternum to your hand"...I was like, what the hell??? Move what stuff?
SOrry im newb... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'm not out to bash you or anyone else, nor did I declare anyone to be a crackpot or anything like that. I'm just trying to understand you psi people, that's all.
PSIBALL is a ball of energy
energy is natural, some people are better and naturally adept at psi, but everyone has psi.
if you are not a natural, then you just need to practise harder. everyone can do psi.
a HUGE HUGE part of a psiball is visualising it, i think. you have to firmly visualise the energy moving into a poll on your hand, then forming into a ball.
i dont know much more than ive read, i havent made a psiball <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
edit: Here's CForrester - he will tell you all you need to know <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Actually...
There is no SET way to make a psiball. You can do anything.
Mullet: You say you only believe in what you can see or feel... You haven't seen gravity, have you? You can't feel it, it doesn't feel like anything. You can't see the electricity flowing between your appliances, can you?
Currently mine suck rather badly and as a result PSI can be difficult and frustrating at times....
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Indeed it does
A way to make your psiballs work Venmoch,which I use by the way,is to close your eyes and visualize a stream of energy flowing into your hands,afterwards if you think there isnt enough,take more.Think it's enough,just keep taking in energy
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EDIT : As for the question about Ki in the previous page,well it's just the chinese way of saying Psi,funny how both Feng Shui and Psi both manipulate natural energy :O
If you're not going to listen to me, then you're right. I wasn't about to post here again, but it seems like I'm being misunderstood.
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No. Some people will just say "Wow, this is cool" and never stop and think for a minute. Like the poor boy I wrote about.
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Couldn't agree more. I'm a sceptic, and nothing short of solid proof will change my mind. I could try doing this stuff, but what would that change? I wouldn't succeed, and you'd think that it's because I don't want to succeed, or have a negative and wry opinion about it. I'd see this as proof that I'm right, and you'd see it as proof that you need to believe in the stuff for it to work.
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I have, at least with my previous post, been perfectly constructive. I pointed out that this stuff can be dangerous if you don't exercise good judgement. You cannot dismiss this as being "not constructive", because by doing so, you endanger yourself. See my example with the boy who committed suicide.
A sensitive matter like this deserves attention. Shutting me out (or up) because I'm a critic and do not say anything positive about it is no solution. Any serious institution, religion, corporation or otherwise group of people lets critics stand forward and dispute their theories and practises. When they develop a new theory, serious scientists do their utmost to dispute it themselves, in order to make sure that it is not just some brainchild of theirs, but a valid, proven theory. Why should Psi be any different? The most successful way of dealing with a critic is to blow them away with stuff they can't refute. If I say that gravity is a lie and you proceed to jump up and down, there isn't much I can say anymore, is there? I've yet to see anyone do something like that with Psi. I'm open to solid arguments as well.
So it boils down to that I believe Psi is nonsense. Deal with it. I'm not about to hit you over the head with a physics book if you don't instantly repent and cleanse yourself with holy water. Some people think computer games are a complete waste of time (and there's a smidgen of truth in that), but I'm not crusading against them.
This thread originally was about whether we believe in Psi or not. It's gone beyond that, you say. So have I. I'm not discussing whether Psi exists or not, since neither can yet be proven, only believed in. I am giving out a warning: Don't repeat the mistake that the poor boy made, don't throw your good judgement overboard. I don't consider good judgement to be an unreasonable demand. Do you?
I played my first Ouija board at age 9. They were the neatest thing ever--My sister was talking to a board! I had to try it. Luckily the spirt was a White Spirit(good spirit) his name was John Anderson. He told us alot of info and answered all our questions -- it was amazing...
...At age 12 i was in Toys-R-Us and i found a Glow in the Dark Ouija board!!! It was about 14$ so i HAD to buy it. The board was NOT friendly and sad enough i had picked up a black spirit(bad, haunting spirit) everytime i wanted to talk he would throw the slider off the board(meaning he does not want to play).. I was angry and started to play and he kept on throwing it off the board. Sometimes he will talk but say things like "aowma24"(again, meaning he does not want to play..i wanted to return him <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->) After that week bad things started to happen in the house. Loud footsteps, we had 4 windows broken by the end of the week, i lost 3 family members in that year...After that, we called a witch doctor person and she told us a spirit was in the house i told her i played the Ouija board and she got really mad and told me to burn it. She had to burn it was some stuff(white flower, some water and a written letter(with spell on it i think) if i remmeber correct) after that our house and family was back to normal...
...At 14 i took a trip a Mexico and searched around and found the best/true Ouija boards ever. They are wooden and are really good. Thankfully i got a White Spirit named Cindy...She tells me alot of stuff and its great...
This may sound stupid but believe me its all true, I dont recommend anyone playing a Ouija board unless they are really sure, Hopefully you will get a White Spirit and not a black one. Enjoy your playing and NEVER, NEVER EVER play alone <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
If you need any help with a Ouija board you can email me at funhec02@yahoo.com