I doubt it is that easy. If it was a string, it wouldn't be in that position unless there was a second, longer string. Plus, what would it hold on to? And tossing it up and just taking a picture just wouldn't work. You know what's a good way to prove that it is fake, reproduce the results. Why don't you try it? You seem to believe it is pretty easy, why not fake it yourself.
Edit: I just realized that a string would show up in the shadow. So that is just completely out.
So, you are telling me that there is no way that that could be faked.
Remember you are the one trying to prove that this exists. I'm not trying to disprove it, I'm simply asking for evidence that cannot be refuted so easily. Photomanipulation is a powerful tool.
If it was as easy to prove as simply looking at that photograph, shouldn't there be Scientific studies about it? I mean, come on, moving stuff with your mind? The scientific community would jump all over that like a rabid dog on a nice juicy t-bone. If this guy has such powers, why isn't he out proving his skills to the skeptics?
Just a reminder, I'm not saying that there are no such things as psi, psi-balls, shields, ki, ojibiu boards, ghosts, spirits, demons, gremlins, trolls, fairies, angels, etc. I'm saying there isn't any (good) proof that they exist. I could say that the easter bunny is real. No way to prove he isn't real.
[edit: No, I cannot do that. I have 0 skills in photoshop. Heck, I don't even have it. I also have one heck of a horrible camera. But, those things can be done.]
wish i was gifted and could make a psi ball <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Well, I can't prove it by any conventional means, so you'll have to take my word for it. I have noticed a temperature change when producing psiballs. Apparently, mine are somewhat electric (No suprise, I've always had an affinity for electronics) and I made the TV behave really weird once, with one. Also, not that you'll care, but my cat has noticed it, too. (Cats are naturally adept at psi.)
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->wish i was gifted and could make a psi ball <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> There is no special gift to it. Every human has the capability to use psi, the problem is harnessing it. If you've been laughing at and nonbelieving of psi for most of your life, then it's going to be a bit harder to do things. Just practice. A whole lot. You'll get better. Try meditating, and if possible, get a cat or maybe two. Cats can boost psi energy, I find. I have trouble making psiballs at school, but I can make them fine at home in the presence of a cat. (I assume that she's helping me.)
Well I happen to know a lot about "psi" so I think I can comment on it. The problem with it is that sceptics focus on only the over glorifed telekenisis part of it. They try to convince people that psi is about throwing around tables with your mind and doing all sorts of other "hollywood" style SFX tricks. The fact is this technique is just a way to hone a part of your mind to be better receptive to changes in your body's natural energy flow. Just like people who teach Karatae preach about the importence of balance, and other forms such as Tae Kwan Do clearly state the an untrained mind will never truly grasp the techniques behind martial arts. Taoists that live in villages in the Asian jungles (I'll get back to you with the name) live with psi as part of their every day lives, they are not superhuman they just train for 70 years of their life and then yes they can knock down 300 foot tall trees with their bare hands and walk up waterfalls, it seems unbelivable to us, but then again we can't possibly understand what kind of training they went through.
So ok psi is a Martial Art, what about telekenisis then? Well the studies done on it, whether you believe them or not, showed that people with this ability usually had higher than average activity in their brain synopsis, meaning the electrical signals their brain produced were stronger than normal. Whether this can create telekenisis abilities can be debated, but there are currently some links surfacing between telekentic abilities and a latent form of autism. So basically some people might be born with the ability, hence why not everyone can do it.
<!--QuoteBegin--Frikk+Oct 3 2003, 10:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Frikk @ Oct 3 2003, 10:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So, you are telling me that there is no way that that could be faked.
Remember you are the one trying to prove that this exists. I'm not trying to disprove it, I'm simply asking for evidence that cannot be refuted so easily. Photomanipulation is a powerful tool. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If it is refuted so easily then why haven't you refuted it yet? Like I said, you should try to reproduce the results to see how easy it is to fake it. And the website has an article on CIA studies on PSI, which you can get a hold of by contacting the CIA.
Oh I believe. And I always by chance come into contact with similar people. And I know dreams play a big part somehow. 95% of my dreams are me flying. And the ones im most comfortable with are when I have angel wings. Im thinking I used to be an archangel or some such because I have violent wants like to hurt and kill, but not innocent people. I cant just punch someone in the face. But demons and spirits, of course are fair game <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> And I was attacked by a spirit once while sleeping. So much and so little room to say it. I know nothing yet I feel I know it all somehow. We all do. Just have to unlock it. It sux. So much out there to do and behold, and I gotta worry about supporting my wife and kid on $9.25 an hour. Its things like that that make me want to just die. But alas, then I truly wont know and experience.. Except death, but in time, we all get to travel that road.
<!--QuoteBegin--CForrester+Oct 3 2003, 03:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Oct 3 2003, 03:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Oct 3 2003, 04:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Oct 3 2003, 04:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Prayer is simple talking. You dont summon anyone, you dont go into trances. You just direct your talking towards something you cant see. You dont need people to help you, you dont need to sniff stuff to make it happen, it doesnt matter if its midnight or noon. Its just simple communication. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It's also meant to relax you and make you feel at peace, and is therefore meditation.
Please, don't come here if you're going to bring religion in it, or if you're going to call people insane.
I don't know about Ouija board, I've never tried one. However, psi has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with religion, it's merely channeling your body's energy, and reading others' body energy. (I can tell if someone is upset without them showing any physical signs of it, because I can read their energy. It's the same reason you can tell if a cat is disgruntled or pleased without it's facial expression ever changing. It's why you can tell when someone is watching you.) Therefore, it should be neutral in your religion. We don't deal with your devil, nor your god. We don't deal in anyone else's god or devil, and in fact... There are people of all kinds of different religions practising psi.
If anyone is going to call me a crackpot and say that psi doesn't exist... Why did governments research it? Why did they train people to use it? Because it exists and is real. Why did they stop? They realized how /dangerous/ it can be if you're trained to use it for harm. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, I called no one insane. I actually said that a lot of this stuff works, and that the people arent just deluding themselves. I just said that some things that work are bad. Just because they work doesnt mean that therefore it is ok for us to play with them.
<!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Oct 3 2003, 09:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Oct 3 2003, 09:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hey, I called no one insane. I actually said that a lot of this stuff works, and that the people arent just deluding themselves. I just said that some things that work are bad. Just because they work doesnt mean that therefore it is ok for us to play with them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Someone else implied it, and I said it just in case anyone planned to. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> Sorry, I only meant the religious part towards you and anyone else who would be bringing it in.
Psi isn't bad, though. Playing with it is a great thing. Why? Because, if we adapt it to our lives, it will be incredibly useful. I'll give a few examples:
What could be a better lie detector than psi? Just have someone practising psi administer the truth test, and they'll be able to tell if the person is lying.
Weather! Predicting the weather. Imagine... 100% weather accuracy, with the weatherman even giving you the times that the weather will change, down to the minute.
Communication! Don't feel like talking? Want to be heard over a long distance? You can just use psi.
It varies, depending on who pings you. I've never really gotten pinged, I have a natural resistance to the levels of psi that was meant to effect my mind from my friends. They're not powerful enough. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
So far I've olny tried the Psi-Ball and while I suck at it some weird crap has happened (Tingling, coolness over the hands, making a room colder (It would seem) I managed to make a load of people at work have to put coats on (although that probably wasn't me..))
also CForrester try taking a picture of ur next psiball...im just curious as the pics on pispog.net are well..they look 100 % comp generated make sure there is light
<!--QuoteBegin--eediot+Oct 4 2003, 08:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eediot @ Oct 4 2003, 08:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ven - you might want to try perfecting your psiballs before you do anything else <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm trying but I'd like to try and branch off into other areas as well (Its a bad habit)
And currently it doesn't work all the time, but when it does work, Holy Crap.
Seems clear enough. But I wouldn't say this picture would change anyones mind about anything. It is just a picture, but still very interesting. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I rest my case.
<!--QuoteBegin--Doug the Head+Oct 4 2003, 07:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Doug the Head @ Oct 4 2003, 07:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OMG!!! Psychic photoshop skills! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> so ur a TK as well...jk
I do not believe in psychic stuff. Square and simple. Why? Not so much because it can't be proven, but because in so many cases it can be DISPROVEN. We had a psychic come to our highschool once. I was instantly cross and opposed to the idea of having him stand there and manipulate our minds with his fake stuff. I was also quite surprised at him being there because of what I knew about the couple leading the school. Anyway, he pulls off his act, and I have to admit I'm impressed. He didn't do stuff like making things hover, but he read the minds of others, projected his thoughts into the minds of others and so forth. I couldn't explain how he was doing it. Good thing I didn't have to, because at the end, he stood forward and admitted that he'd been fooling us this past half hour. If you know danish, you'll want to visit his page at <a href='http://www.mastermind.dk/' target='_blank'>www.mastermind.dk</a>. He told us how he had manipulated our minds, not using sekrat powers, but through things like talking in a spooky, ominious voice, using bright candles in an otherwise dark room to create a spot in people's view so they'd pick the card HE wanted them to pick and so on. He also told us about self-fulfilling prophecies: The boy who asked an ouija board how long he had left to live (answer: <u>14 days</u>) and believed in this so much that he couldn't wait for the end and committed suicide before then, for example. Wow! The prohecy came true!
I said at the beginning that I do not believe in psychic stuff. I take that back. I believe in the theory of the most simple explanation: That the most simple explanation will usually be the right one. Take the picture of the hovaring knife in this thread: What is more likely: That the guy is making the thing hovar without flapping (yes, I said it) with the powers of his mind, or that it hangs from a thin piece of string and he's just trying to make a funny picture (or even deliberately trying to mislead you). The entire thing could be photoshopped for that matter. I do not say that I with definitive conclusiveness know that there is no such thing as the paranormal. I've just to date not been shown anything that indicates the presense of such phenomena and cannot be explained away rationally. I know that if I had paranormal powers, I wouldn't offer advice over the phone or some such stuff. I'd accept James Randi's <a href='http://www.randi.org/research/' target='_blank'>One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge</a>. Lowdown: Prove that you have psychic powers and you win a million dollars. Total amount of winners so far: Zero. Need I say more? And you may also want to take a look at <a href='http://www.skepdic.com/' target='_blank'>The Skeptic's Dictionary</a>. Remember, a little critical thought never hurt anyone. If guy X really has superpowers, I can think critical about it all I want, he'll still have those powers, right?
DOOM - there are sites around saying why that 'competition' is a pile of crap
but it isnt really that hard to see why. a HUGE SKEPTIC, who doesnt want to part with $1 million, is the SOLE DECIDER of whether or not the 'competitor' deserves to win, or is genuinely doing it. its not a 'convince me to believe', thing, its a 'i dont want to believe' thing.
i can make myself sick or cure myself from being sick lol. how do i do it? ez as 1 2 3 but it takes a while until u get good at it. STEP 1 TO MAKE YOURSELF SICK: find a suitable spot where you can think very easily. 2: think of a sickness you want. STEP 3: repeditivy for a long time say in your head something like "i have a sorethrought" or "i want a sorethrought" and w/e sentance that you can repeat that can give you the sickness. STEP 1 TO CURE YOURSELF FROM A SICKNESS: just think it away. like "i do not need you anymore sorethrought germ (or w/e the real name is)" and w/e else you can think of that would rid of it. REPEAT THE THOUGHTS.
oh and the more you do this the better you get. same with setting your biological clock. heres how i do it
before i go to sleep i take a very hot iron stamp that has the time i want to wake up at and keep stamping it on my brain until i feel i am done doing it. remember think it.
also to add to all of them you can sometimes say cause it can work to. visualizing helps also. did i explain this good enough so you can under stand me?
i didnt feel like editing the message above but PSI BALLS are the same thing as energy, and energy makes everything. i mean everything and it can do about everything once you know how to use it right and master it.
i tried to make my first psiball yesterday, and it didnt work <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> i dont think i was visualising hard enough... probably need to spend like 10 minutes meditating before hand =/
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Edit: I just realized that a string would show up in the shadow. So that is just completely out.
Remember you are the one trying to prove that this exists. I'm not trying to disprove it, I'm simply asking for evidence that cannot be refuted so easily. Photomanipulation is a powerful tool.
If it was as easy to prove as simply looking at that photograph, shouldn't there be Scientific studies about it? I mean, come on, moving stuff with your mind? The scientific community would jump all over that like a rabid dog on a nice juicy t-bone. If this guy has such powers, why isn't he out proving his skills to the skeptics?
Just a reminder, I'm not saying that there are no such things as psi, psi-balls, shields, ki, ojibiu boards, ghosts, spirits, demons, gremlins, trolls, fairies, angels, etc. I'm saying there isn't any (good) proof that they exist. I could say that the easter bunny is real. No way to prove he isn't real.
[edit: No, I cannot do that. I have 0 skills in photoshop. Heck, I don't even have it. I also have one heck of a horrible camera. But, those things can be done.]
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There is no special gift to it. Every human has the capability to use psi, the problem is harnessing it. If you've been laughing at and nonbelieving of psi for most of your life, then it's going to be a bit harder to do things. Just practice. A whole lot. You'll get better. Try meditating, and if possible, get a cat or maybe two. Cats can boost psi energy, I find. I have trouble making psiballs at school, but I can make them fine at home in the presence of a cat. (I assume that she's helping me.)
So ok psi is a Martial Art, what about telekenisis then? Well the studies done on it, whether you believe them or not, showed that people with this ability usually had higher than average activity in their brain synopsis, meaning the electrical signals their brain produced were stronger than normal. Whether this can create telekenisis abilities can be debated, but there are currently some links surfacing between telekentic abilities and a latent form of autism. So basically some people might be born with the ability, hence why not everyone can do it.
Remember you are the one trying to prove that this exists. I'm not trying to disprove it, I'm simply asking for evidence that cannot be refuted so easily. Photomanipulation is a powerful tool. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If it is refuted so easily then why haven't you refuted it yet? Like I said, you should try to reproduce the results to see how easy it is to fake it. And the website has an article on CIA studies on PSI, which you can get a hold of by contacting the CIA.
And I know dreams play a big part somehow. 95% of my dreams are me flying. And the ones im most comfortable with are when I have angel wings.
Im thinking I used to be an archangel or some such because I have violent wants like to hurt and kill, but not innocent people. I cant just punch someone in the face. But demons and spirits, of course are fair game <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
And I was attacked by a spirit once while sleeping.
So much and so little room to say it. I know nothing yet I feel I know it all somehow. We all do. Just have to unlock it.
It sux. So much out there to do and behold, and I gotta worry about supporting my wife and kid on $9.25 an hour.
Its things like that that make me want to just die.
But alas, then I truly wont know and experience.. Except death, but in time, we all get to travel that road.
It's also meant to relax you and make you feel at peace, and is therefore meditation.
Please, don't come here if you're going to bring religion in it, or if you're going to call people insane.
I don't know about Ouija board, I've never tried one. However, psi has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with religion, it's merely channeling your body's energy, and reading others' body energy. (I can tell if someone is upset without them showing any physical signs of it, because I can read their energy. It's the same reason you can tell if a cat is disgruntled or pleased without it's facial expression ever changing. It's why you can tell when someone is watching you.) Therefore, it should be neutral in your religion. We don't deal with your devil, nor your god. We don't deal in anyone else's god or devil, and in fact... There are people of all kinds of different religions practising psi.
If anyone is going to call me a crackpot and say that psi doesn't exist... Why did governments research it? Why did they train people to use it? Because it exists and is real. Why did they stop? They realized how /dangerous/ it can be if you're trained to use it for harm. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, I called no one insane. I actually said that a lot of this stuff works, and that the people arent just deluding themselves. I just said that some things that work are bad. Just because they work doesnt mean that therefore it is ok for us to play with them.
Someone else implied it, and I said it just in case anyone planned to. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> Sorry, I only meant the religious part towards you and anyone else who would be bringing it in.
Psi isn't bad, though. Playing with it is a great thing. Why? Because, if we adapt it to our lives, it will be incredibly useful. I'll give a few examples:
What could be a better lie detector than psi? Just have someone practising psi administer the truth test, and they'll be able to tell if the person is lying.
Weather! Predicting the weather. Imagine... 100% weather accuracy, with the weatherman even giving you the times that the weather will change, down to the minute.
Communication! Don't feel like talking? Want to be heard over a long distance? You can just use psi.
So far I've olny tried the Psi-Ball and while I suck at it some weird crap has happened (Tingling, coolness over the hands, making a room colder (It would seem) I managed to make a load of people at work have to put coats on (although that probably wasn't me..))
And then I have no idea what to try next.
ven - you might want to try perfecting your psiballs before you do anything else
KAAaAAAA MEHHHHHHHHH KAAAAAAAAA MEHHHHHHH HAAAAAAAAAA...
DBZ hehehehe
I'm trying but I'd like to try and branch off into other areas as well (Its a bad habit)
And currently it doesn't work all the time, but when it does work, Holy Crap.
Seems clear enough. But I wouldn't say this picture would change anyones mind about anything. It is just a picture, but still very interesting. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I rest my case.
so ur a TK as well...jk
u really did that in photo shop?
/me goes to warez site and downloads it
Therefore, that picture 'evidence' has been refuted (by means of reasonable doubt).
He also told us about self-fulfilling prophecies: The boy who asked an ouija board how long he had left to live (answer: <u>14 days</u>) and believed in this so much that he couldn't wait for the end and committed suicide before then, for example. Wow! The prohecy came true!
I said at the beginning that I do not believe in psychic stuff. I take that back. I believe in the theory of the most simple explanation: That the most simple explanation will usually be the right one. Take the picture of the hovaring knife in this thread: What is more likely: That the guy is making the thing hovar without flapping (yes, I said it) with the powers of his mind, or that it hangs from a thin piece of string and he's just trying to make a funny picture (or even deliberately trying to mislead you). The entire thing could be photoshopped for that matter.
I do not say that I with definitive conclusiveness know that there is no such thing as the paranormal. I've just to date not been shown anything that indicates the presense of such phenomena and cannot be explained away rationally.
I know that if I had paranormal powers, I wouldn't offer advice over the phone or some such stuff. I'd accept James Randi's <a href='http://www.randi.org/research/' target='_blank'>One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge</a>. Lowdown: Prove that you have psychic powers and you win a million dollars. Total amount of winners so far: Zero. Need I say more?
And you may also want to take a look at <a href='http://www.skepdic.com/' target='_blank'>The Skeptic's Dictionary</a>. Remember, a little critical thought never hurt anyone. If guy X really has superpowers, I can think critical about it all I want, he'll still have those powers, right?
but it isnt really that hard to see why. a HUGE SKEPTIC, who doesnt want to part with $1 million, is the SOLE DECIDER of whether or not the 'competitor' deserves to win, or is genuinely doing it. its not a 'convince me to believe', thing, its a 'i dont want to believe' thing.
oh and the more you do this the better you get.
same with setting your biological clock. heres how i do it
before i go to sleep i take a very hot iron stamp that has the time i want to wake up at and keep stamping it on my brain until i feel i am done doing it. remember think it.
also to add to all of them you can sometimes say cause it can work to. visualizing helps also.
did i explain this good enough so you can under stand me?