I am not a great fade, I am not bad, but I am not good. When I play I always go Gorge in the first few seconds because its more helpful to the team. I play for the team and never just for my self so I am never faced with this situation.
I don't care for people who res hore for fade and Onos and then yell at the gorge why there isn't 2 hives up, or they die after killing 1 marine... GRRRR.
wth banned for saving for fade this is so frickin' riduclous. Gosh, ALIENS are meant to be played indivdiually. It is YOUR choice whether you should drop a hive with YOUR res or evolve to another life form, not a bunch of yapping idiots who want to win with no fun. They have absolutely no right to bann you and if they do I advise you to join another server or make your own where the admins aren't as lame.
omg "not a bunch of yapping idiots who want to win with no fun". Getting hives and beating marines comprehensively is not fun? Killing 3 marines with fade and dying is? You, by saving for fade, make the game unfun for the entire team. But since your so individualistic anyway, i guess you dont care whether the team has fun, all that matters is you.
Too many people are responding to the wrong thing. No one said early fades are no good. This is a team game and communication is essential. Just because you have 50 res doesn't mean you should go fade. Check out whats going on and *gasp* talk to your team. Do you have only one or two RT's? Do you have upgrade chambers? Do you have a second hive? Are either the second hive or the start hive secured against rambos? People who say things like "I have 50 res, I am going fade, you can't tell me what to do, aliens are supposed to be played individually" have alot to learn. I also find that the people who scream the loudest about getting upgrade chambers and putting up a second hive are the reswhores, who also tend to have the most res on the team.
And, an admin always has the right to ban anyone they choose, it's thier server. Don't like it? Vote with your feet.
I always ask the team before fading and they'll usually happily let me. Most people won't get too hyped up if you go fade after getting their conscent but if you know your team has most of the res nodes then it's usually better to not even bother asking and just stick a hive up instead =3
The "personal res" system is flawed : if everyone keeps them for personal use , then the alien team has no new hives and no new upgrades. So alien players have to split their res into virtual funds , the selfish res and the altruist res. Arguments around their management make people feel bad... 50/50 should be enough usually , one hive + going fade is nice enough from someone with 100 res. Although you might want to defend your newly built hive with OCs , hide it with a sensory , link it with a mov ... going lerk can be more advisable.
When you have bunches of res as a skulk , but hesitate going fade or lerk while a hive is growing , just go gorge and drop OCs. Theses make everyone happy , they defend team objectives and give you RFKs. Smart gorges are more effective than leet ninja fades on the long run , by halting the marine's expansion.
I second Torak's opinion whole heartedly. Communication is your best asset in a team game, even more so in NS than some others because of the strong relationship between eachs others actions and their subtle effects on your team and the game. I think we have all had a losing game reversed because somebody got Onos/Fade and ruined some Marines' ****. I think we all must have at least once had a game you were losing until your faithful gorgies got Hive #3 up and you and your teamies Xeno'ed the 'Rines to hell. Utimatly, a win can happen from most any tactic, but the most important thing is communication and coherent group tactics. I find it rare that a well rounded team who works together does poorly. At its worst they give the 'rines a VERY difficult victory. In my opinion a small group of coordinated skulks is stronger than an Onos , no matter the skills involved. Now, Im not anti-res-horder, but there are limits. Its your job as an Alien and team player to do what you feel is best for your team. There is no place for solo Rambos here. Thats what sepporates NS from CS. (That , and skill... but thats another post) If everyone finds a role and makes sure that all things are covered, its hard too lose. Communication is King.
<!--QuoteBegin--AIRinc.F|aReZ+Oct 2 2003, 02:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AIRinc.F|aReZ @ Oct 2 2003, 02:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> omg "not a bunch of yapping idiots who want to win with no fun". Getting hives and beating marines comprehensively is not fun? Killing 3 marines with fade and dying is? You, by saving for fade, make the game unfun for the entire team. But since your so individualistic anyway, i guess you dont care whether the team has fun, all that matters is you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's totally uncalled for. You either didn't read his post, or didn't comprehend it. 5 of 7 players were gorges. Him and another were skulks. If the WHOLE team is gorge at the same time the aliens won't have an offensive and marines can walk around doing whatever the heck they want. By going fade he was protecting the team, and taking down resnodes. Not once did he come across as a kill hog- he was only saying that he got some early res, and was feeling in the zone. It happens to me too.
I will say that communication would have been nice. I'm not surprised for the initial reaction by the players, I'd be upset too if he hadn't said any thing. But once he started taking out nodes and not dying in under a couple minutes- I would be glad to have him on my team.
As a marine, it's a nightmare seeing 3 fades at the 5 minute mark. Very few comms will give you shotties before this point, and dropping them now may not be posssible depending on where the res went.
<!--QuoteBegin--mousiehamster+Oct 2 2003, 09:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mousiehamster @ Oct 2 2003, 09:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> wth banned for saving for fade this is so frickin' riduclous. Gosh, ALIENS are meant to be played indivdiually. It is YOUR choice whether you should drop a hive with YOUR res or evolve to another life form, not a bunch of yapping idiots who want to win with no fun. They have absolutely no right to bann you and if they do I advise you to join another server or make your own where the admins aren't as lame. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Dude, if the Aliens don't have some semblence of teamwork, they WILL loose.
<!--QuoteBegin--AIRinc.F|aReZ+Oct 2 2003, 09:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AIRinc.F|aReZ @ Oct 2 2003, 09:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> omg "not a bunch of yapping idiots who want to win with no fun". Getting hives and beating marines comprehensively is not fun? Killing 3 marines with fade and dying is? You, by saving for fade, make the game unfun for the entire team. But since your so individualistic anyway, i guess you dont care whether the team has fun, all that matters is you. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hehe, well put. Though I do have to say, Fades can be useful, just the ones you described, gr
For all u people who use the mousewheel to change weapon :
alias nextwep "invnext;+attack;wait;-attack" alias prevwep "invprev;+attack;wait;-attack"
^^ that instantly changes to the next weapon, used with lastinv can cut down alot of valuable chang eweapon time.
I usually put down an rt then fade, my skulk has greatly deteriorated due to my constant fading, like in 1.0 my skulk ability died, due to my lerking.
Fade, no matter what anyone says, has been PROVEN to be the best tactic the aliens have early game, after being on the recieving end on a 3 fade rush (yes petty "omg res ****" sayers 3 people saved and went fade) with the available tech at the time, lvl1 guns, we were royaly smashed, shotguns are NOT a viable counter to skilled fades, equal skilled marines with shotgun < fades.
There is absolutely no reason why anyone shouldn't save if they want to, especially seeing as the servers are all crazy and have 20+ player slots <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> (i know alot dont have this)
I am getting sick of everyone flaming everyone else on the servers for saving any res over 25, got spectated once in first person while the guy was dead, he spawns and yells "OMG FROST U HAVE 25 RES PUT DOWN AN RT U RES ****" - this is uncalled for, and was from someone i had not seen before, and i used to know almost every NS player in the UK before 2.0 :-|, the other night alone i went mad at myself for donating to NS (not that i regret it in any way normally) because of the standards of players and down right arses that 2.0 has brought to the game, a higher playerbase is great, but we dont have to put up with them surely <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I have seen single fades stop hive lockdowns, on one hive, i remember someone commenting that u shouldnt fade on one hive. I have seen that "res ****" end the game because the marines tech just cant cut it at the 3 minute mark. I seem to remember there was talk of games meant to only last 15 minutes? Well people, that actually happens when there are early fades.
Long story short, there is no such thing as too early, but if they annoy u about it alot, gorge put up hive and fade again, cause u know u have 100 res <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
man i love fades now...i rember at start of 2.0 i was like wow..fades suck...but is alot more fun than onos and plowing through marines with ur eyes closed
<!--QuoteBegin--DarkFrost+Oct 2 2003, 08:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkFrost @ Oct 2 2003, 08:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For all u people who use the mousewheel to change weapon :
alias nextwep "invnext;+attack;wait;-attack" alias prevwep "invprev;+attack;wait;-attack"
^^ that instantly changes to the next weapon, used with lastinv can cut down alot of valuable chang eweapon time.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks a lot Dark Frost. But I have to say, early fade is good, but is much smarter when used in tandem with a <b>communicative team</b>. You see, it is great and all for a good player to go fade and own the marines. But it is 10 times better when they ask if they can go fade, swear by their own good skills, and then deliver. Hell I think that even that fade would have more fun.
As you have seen, the people shouting out against |2es-\/\/hores have toned down their arguments from horribly flaming early fades to simply asking that early fades have enough courtesy to ask and consider others. Would you not be willing to make a small compromise and say that asking your team and working with your team is nicer and yet <i>just</i> as effective as doing what ever you want, if not more so?
Personally I think that the first person to get to 50 res should ALWAYS get the second hive regardless. The sooner the better. Better to have the entire team with 2 chambers (and thus 2 lvl 3 upgrades) than a fade that is gettin some kills.
Not to mention that the guys that get quick fades are good skulks usually so they shouldnt have trouble gettin that res again. I know that even when im having a cold streak and not doing good I can go fade pretty fast with 6+ rts (which btw if the alien team doesnt have by 5 minutes even on a team of 6 you should be a little worried) and gettin only a few kills.
So I'd hvae been yelling at you too but thats just cause it's rude to go fade when you could have helped the team mroe by gettin the hive IMO.
Guess its a matter of prospective but 1 fade vs 1 hive...I'd so want the hive. MCs/DCs or MCs/SCs or what ever will do way more damage against marines than any single fade can. ANY single fade.
Sorry but there's a reason why ALIENS have an individual res pool. It grants the player a DECISION. People dont' seem to understand that and the "righteous" admins decide to BAN! players from doing exactly what they have the right to do. OMG. It is the players choice. If he netted a lot of kills, what DOESN'T he deserve evolving to a fade? Why does he have to blow his hard-earnt res into a hive instead? Mabye he/she doesnt' think that's fun? Mabye that's not his/her idealistic view of the word 'fun'?
There is far too much people 'imposing' their actions on others. This is going way too far. How can u be called a Res ***** (what do the stars stand for anyway?) coz ur savin' up for urself? It's called a personal investment.
Too much of that "teamwork" stuff is circulating around NS. I hope some of this stupidity dwindles down in the future. Really, it's going too far. Lets not be carried away by our own psychological devices of enhancement *
<!--QuoteBegin--mousiehamster+Oct 3 2003, 10:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mousiehamster @ Oct 3 2003, 10:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Too much of that "teamwork" stuff is circulating around NS. I hope some of this stupidity dwindles down in the future. Really, it's going too far. Lets not be carried away by our own psychological devices of enhancement <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is smartbomb caliber stuff right here.
<!--QuoteBegin--mousiehamster+Oct 3 2003, 09:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mousiehamster @ Oct 3 2003, 09:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry but there's a reason why ALIENS have an individual res pool. It grants the player a DECISION. People dont' seem to understand that and the "righteous" admins decide to BAN! players from doing exactly what they have the right to do. OMG. It is the players choice. If he netted a lot of kills, what DOESN'T he deserve evolving to a fade? Why does he have to blow his hard-earnt res into a hive instead? Mabye he/she doesnt' think that's fun? Mabye that's not his/her idealistic view of the word 'fun'?
There is far too much people 'imposing' their actions on others. This is going way too far. How can u be called a Res ***** (what do the stars stand for anyway?) coz ur savin' up for urself? It's called a personal investment.
Too much of that "teamwork" stuff is circulating around NS. I hope some of this stupidity dwindles down in the future. Really, it's going too far. Lets not be carried away by our own psychological devices of enhancement *
*Will explain if anyone asks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
.... because it's a TEAM-based game you twit...
That is by far the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. NS is a team-based strategy game, not a shoot-em-up-kill-kill-kill game. If you want individuality and no teamwork, go play <b>any other </b>Half-Life mod.
NS is fun and original because it IS team based, and if you don't work together, you lose. If we all wanted to go off by ourselves and become lone "elite" people that can win games on our own, we'd play CS.
But whatever you do, leave NS alone. Don't bring your mobs of annoying rambo-ers into the servers and ruin the game we all love.
<!--QuoteBegin--mousiehamster+Oct 3 2003, 02:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mousiehamster @ Oct 3 2003, 02:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry but there's a reason why ALIENS have an individual res pool. It grants the player a DECISION. People dont' seem to understand that and the "righteous" admins decide to BAN! players from doing exactly what they have the right to do. OMG. It is the players choice. If he netted a lot of kills, what DOESN'T he deserve evolving to a fade? Why does he have to blow his hard-earnt res into a hive instead? Mabye he/she doesnt' think that's fun? Mabye that's not his/her idealistic view of the word 'fun'?
There is far too much people 'imposing' their actions on others. This is going way too far. How can u be called a Res ***** (what do the stars stand for anyway?) coz ur savin' up for urself? It's called a personal investment. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Apart from the "OMG", we're in agreement.
<!--QuoteBegin--mousiehamster+Oct 3 2003, 10:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mousiehamster @ Oct 3 2003, 10:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Too much of that "teamwork" stuff is circulating around NS. I hope some of this stupidity dwindles down in the future. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> God i love this guy! If you would change the capital "N" to "C", then it all fits!
<!--QuoteBegin--mousiehamster+Oct 3 2003, 09:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mousiehamster @ Oct 3 2003, 09:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry but there's a reason why ALIENS have an individual res pool. It grants the player a DECISION. People dont' seem to understand that and the "righteous" admins decide to BAN! players from doing exactly what they have the right to do. OMG. It is the players choice. If he netted a lot of kills, what DOESN'T he deserve evolving to a fade? Why does he have to blow his hard-earnt res into a hive instead? Mabye he/she doesnt' think that's fun? Mabye that's not his/her idealistic view of the word 'fun'?
There is far too much people 'imposing' their actions on others. This is going way too far. How can u be called a Res ***** (what do the stars stand for anyway?) coz ur savin' up for urself? It's called a personal investment.
Too much of that "teamwork" stuff is circulating around NS. I hope some of this stupidity dwindles down in the future. Really, it's going too far. Lets not be carried away by our own psychological devices of enhancement *
*Will explain if anyone asks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> First off saying he "blows" his "hard-earnt" res into a hive is just dumb. Its a fact that if YOU dont have two hvies as an alien team you cant win without some major luck or some major marine stupidity. 2 Hive lock down = marine pwnage.
Secondly if you go Fade before a 2nd hive then you obviously are either reshoarding in which case that is just rude since it IS a team based game in which you HAVE to work together to win. It is NOT CS in which case a single good player can win the game for his team. That just wont happen. If your a "good" player like you seem to be using as an example you shoudlnt have a problem gettin 50 res again. 6-8 RTs and a few kills and you'll have 50 res in no time. It isnt like 1.04 where its ONE GORGE can win the game for the Aliens. No, now everyone has to gorge (or at least most everyone) at least once in order for you to win with out any blunders by the Marines.
If you dont like team play dont play NS. Play NS: Combat if/when it comes out cause THAT isnt a team based game. Its more like CS. Hopfully Combat will get rid of people like you that I hate oh so much cause they dont do anything for the team and think that 1 Fade will make a diffrence, when most of the time that second Hive would have been a much greater help. Afterall a fuggin fade with what ever upgrade wont do as much damage no matter who is controlling him as a pack of skulks with 2 upgrades. Not to mention its harder for the Marines to WIN now. If marines have a 2 hive lock down they will have at LEAST 4 RTs which is MORE than enough to completely obliterate any Alien team. Marines can NOT lock down a Hive when a Hive is already going or already up unless the Alien team is utterly incompetant in which case you might as well find your self a nice 'hole and wait till the game ends.
Its people like you who end up screwing over teams because they think they are some bad mothers as fade or Onos. Only 3% of the people that actually res hoard have a right to when the team is working together and a Hive already gets up. People who go Fade as fast as possible or whine about needing more chambers so that when they onos in 3 minutes after gettin 0 kills as a skulk they dont die. I for one think Banning is a bit much, but I WILL get a vote kick started on any person who does what you think is okay.
Thank god they are making NS: Combat so ****s like you stop gettin on the NS servers and end up screwing over every alien team you play with because you think you have some right to not spend any res on anything but what YOU want. All the seperate pools do is force people to actually get kills and reward the better Alien players who can get 50 res, put up the Hive, and then get 50 more res all within 10 minutes of the game. THEY have the right to go fade. People whom spend their res on nothing but themselves should go elsewhere as Aliens are the most team based side in any game I've ever seen. You dont like puttin up a Hive go play Marines and stop ruining everyone elses fun. Or better yet get some whichbots and dont **** anyone else off anymore.
Oh and the asteriks that you were asking about stand for a certain "working girl" that we cant name thanks to censoring on this forum.
Something I find kind of amusing lately. Players on the alien team who enjoy whining about "playing as a team" and "not res whoring for higher lifeforms". This happened twice to me recently where I went fade really early and I had people bitching at me. (even though without the early fade the team was going to lose since marines were pretty good at quick expansion). So after two games of the whining (even though we won), I decided not to go fade, and watched the aftermath. Since everyone on the team whined about res whoring, no one saved for onos. No higher lifeform was seen until about 12 minutes into the game. Guess who won? I guess losing is "fun" <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
There always has to be a res **** on the aliens team. Of course not everyone should be, but obviously the better players should be whoring for high lifeforms, since they will most likely win the game for the aliens. There's only so much you can do as a skulk offensive wise.
<!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Oct 4 2003, 05:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Oct 4 2003, 05:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Guys, you don't need scripts to change quickly between weapons.
Just type in console: hud_fastswitch 1
OR
In your config: hud_fastswitch "1"
After that, you can easily switch between any weapon 1-4 just by pressing the number key, and Voila! You have it.
When I play fade, I just hit 1 then 2, then I can just alternate between the two attacks with 'q' which is bound as lastinv.
That's all you'll ever need. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> we are not all elite and use WASD... when u have used arrows for... well ever, then u get used to them. And i did say, its for all who use mouse wheel to change weapon
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When I play I always go Gorge in the first few seconds because its more helpful to the team.
I play for the team and never just for my self so I am never faced with this situation.
I don't care for people who res hore for fade and Onos and then yell at the gorge why there isn't 2 hives up, or they die after killing 1 marine... GRRRR.
Gosh, ALIENS are meant to be played indivdiually. It is YOUR choice whether you should drop a hive with YOUR res or evolve to another life form, not a bunch of yapping idiots who want to win with no fun. They have absolutely no right to bann you and if they do I advise you to join another server or make your own where the admins aren't as lame.
And, an admin always has the right to ban anyone they choose, it's thier server. Don't like it? Vote with your feet.
50/50 should be enough usually , one hive + going fade is nice enough from someone with 100 res. Although you might want to defend your newly built hive with OCs , hide it with a sensory , link it with a mov ... going lerk can be more advisable.
When you have bunches of res as a skulk , but hesitate going fade or lerk while a hive is growing , just go gorge and drop OCs. Theses make everyone happy , they defend team objectives and give you RFKs. Smart gorges are more effective than leet ninja fades on the long run , by halting the marine's expansion.
BTW: Torak, your pic is awesome!
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That's totally uncalled for. You either didn't read his post, or didn't comprehend it. 5 of 7 players were gorges. Him and another were skulks. If the WHOLE team is gorge at the same time the aliens won't have an offensive and marines can walk around doing whatever the heck they want. By going fade he was protecting the team, and taking down resnodes. Not once did he come across as a kill hog- he was only saying that he got some early res, and was feeling in the zone. It happens to me too.
I will say that communication would have been nice. I'm not surprised for the initial reaction by the players, I'd be upset too if he hadn't said any thing. But once he started taking out nodes and not dying in under a couple minutes- I would be glad to have him on my team.
As a marine, it's a nightmare seeing 3 fades at the 5 minute mark. Very few comms will give you shotties before this point, and dropping them now may not be posssible depending on where the res went.
Gosh, ALIENS are meant to be played indivdiually. It is YOUR choice whether you should drop a hive with YOUR res or evolve to another life form, not a bunch of yapping idiots who want to win with no fun. They have absolutely no right to bann you and if they do I advise you to join another server or make your own where the admins aren't as lame. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dude, if the Aliens don't have some semblence of teamwork, they WILL loose.
Hehe, well put. Though I do have to say, Fades can be useful, just the ones you described, gr
alias nextwep "invnext;+attack;wait;-attack"
alias prevwep "invprev;+attack;wait;-attack"
^^ that instantly changes to the next weapon, used with lastinv can cut down alot of valuable chang eweapon time.
I usually put down an rt then fade, my skulk has greatly deteriorated due to my constant fading, like in 1.0 my skulk ability died, due to my lerking.
Fade, no matter what anyone says, has been PROVEN to be the best tactic the aliens have early game, after being on the recieving end on a 3 fade rush (yes petty "omg res ****" sayers 3 people saved and went fade) with the available tech at the time, lvl1 guns, we were royaly smashed, shotguns are NOT a viable counter to skilled fades, equal skilled marines with shotgun < fades.
There is absolutely no reason why anyone shouldn't save if they want to, especially seeing as the servers are all crazy and have 20+ player slots <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> (i know alot dont have this)
I am getting sick of everyone flaming everyone else on the servers for saving any res over 25, got spectated once in first person while the guy was dead, he spawns and yells "OMG FROST U HAVE 25 RES PUT DOWN AN RT U RES ****" - this is uncalled for, and was from someone i had not seen before, and i used to know almost every NS player in the UK before 2.0 :-|, the other night alone i went mad at myself for donating to NS (not that i regret it in any way normally) because of the standards of players and down right arses that 2.0 has brought to the game, a higher playerbase is great, but we dont have to put up with them surely <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
I have seen single fades stop hive lockdowns, on one hive, i remember someone commenting that u shouldnt fade on one hive. I have seen that "res ****" end the game because the marines tech just cant cut it at the 3 minute mark. I seem to remember there was talk of games meant to only last 15 minutes? Well people, that actually happens when there are early fades.
Long story short, there is no such thing as too early, but if they annoy u about it alot, gorge put up hive and fade again, cause u know u have 100 res <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
alias nextwep "invnext;+attack;wait;-attack"
alias prevwep "invprev;+attack;wait;-attack"
^^ that instantly changes to the next weapon, used with lastinv can cut down alot of valuable chang eweapon time.
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Thanks a lot Dark Frost. But I have to say, early fade is good, but is much smarter when used in tandem with a <b>communicative team</b>. You see, it is great and all for a good player to go fade and own the marines. But it is 10 times better when they ask if they can go fade, swear by their own good skills, and then deliver. Hell I think that even that fade would have more fun.
As you have seen, the people shouting out against |2es-\/\/hores have toned down their arguments from horribly flaming early fades to simply asking that early fades have enough courtesy to ask and consider others. Would you not be willing to make a small compromise and say that asking your team and working with your team is nicer and yet <i>just</i> as effective as doing what ever you want, if not more so?
Not to mention that the guys that get quick fades are good skulks usually so they shouldnt have trouble gettin that res again. I know that even when im having a cold streak and not doing good I can go fade pretty fast with 6+ rts (which btw if the alien team doesnt have by 5 minutes even on a team of 6 you should be a little worried) and gettin only a few kills.
So I'd hvae been yelling at you too but thats just cause it's rude to go fade when you could have helped the team mroe by gettin the hive IMO.
Guess its a matter of prospective but 1 fade vs 1 hive...I'd so want the hive. MCs/DCs or MCs/SCs or what ever will do way more damage against marines than any single fade can. ANY single fade.
-Red
Just it seems we have to reclarify the argument because the thread was partially hijacked by the "OMG FADE FOR THE WIN, NUBS" party.
YES, FADES ARE GOOD.
NO, WHORING IS NOT.
Its pretty much that simple. There's a world of difference between a competent fade and a res ****.
There is far too much people 'imposing' their actions on others. This is going way too far. How can u be called a Res ***** (what do the stars stand for anyway?) coz ur savin' up for urself? It's called a personal investment.
Too much of that "teamwork" stuff is circulating around NS. I hope some of this stupidity dwindles down in the future. Really, it's going too far. Lets not be carried away by our own psychological devices of enhancement *
*Will explain if anyone asks.
This is smartbomb caliber stuff right here.
There is far too much people 'imposing' their actions on others. This is going way too far. How can u be called a Res ***** (what do the stars stand for anyway?) coz ur savin' up for urself? It's called a personal investment.
Too much of that "teamwork" stuff is circulating around NS. I hope some of this stupidity dwindles down in the future. Really, it's going too far. Lets not be carried away by our own psychological devices of enhancement *
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.... because it's a TEAM-based game you twit...
That is by far the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. NS is a team-based strategy game, not a shoot-em-up-kill-kill-kill game. If you want individuality and no teamwork, go play <b>any other </b>Half-Life mod.
NS is fun and original because it IS team based, and if you don't work together, you lose. If we all wanted to go off by ourselves and become lone "elite" people that can win games on our own, we'd play CS.
But whatever you do, leave NS alone. Don't bring your mobs of annoying rambo-ers into the servers and ruin the game we all love.
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Apart from the "OMG", we're in agreement.
God i love this guy! If you would change the capital "N" to "C", then it all fits!
Just type in console: hud_fastswitch 1
OR
In your config: hud_fastswitch "1"
After that, you can easily switch between any weapon 1-4 just by pressing the number key, and Voila! You have it.
When I play fade, I just hit 1 then 2, then I can just alternate between the two attacks with 'q' which is bound as lastinv.
That's all you'll ever need.
There is far too much people 'imposing' their actions on others. This is going way too far. How can u be called a Res ***** (what do the stars stand for anyway?) coz ur savin' up for urself? It's called a personal investment.
Too much of that "teamwork" stuff is circulating around NS. I hope some of this stupidity dwindles down in the future. Really, it's going too far. Lets not be carried away by our own psychological devices of enhancement *
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First off saying he "blows" his "hard-earnt" res into a hive is just dumb. Its a fact that if YOU dont have two hvies as an alien team you cant win without some major luck or some major marine stupidity. 2 Hive lock down = marine pwnage.
Secondly if you go Fade before a 2nd hive then you obviously are either reshoarding in which case that is just rude since it IS a team based game in which you HAVE to work together to win. It is NOT CS in which case a single good player can win the game for his team. That just wont happen. If your a "good" player like you seem to be using as an example you shoudlnt have a problem gettin 50 res again. 6-8 RTs and a few kills and you'll have 50 res in no time. It isnt like 1.04 where its ONE GORGE can win the game for the Aliens. No, now everyone has to gorge (or at least most everyone) at least once in order for you to win with out any blunders by the Marines.
If you dont like team play dont play NS. Play NS: Combat if/when it comes out cause THAT isnt a team based game. Its more like CS. Hopfully Combat will get rid of people like you that I hate oh so much cause they dont do anything for the team and think that 1 Fade will make a diffrence, when most of the time that second Hive would have been a much greater help. Afterall a fuggin fade with what ever upgrade wont do as much damage no matter who is controlling him as a pack of skulks with 2 upgrades. Not to mention its harder for the Marines to WIN now. If marines have a 2 hive lock down they will have at LEAST 4 RTs which is MORE than enough to completely obliterate any Alien team. Marines can NOT lock down a Hive when a Hive is already going or already up unless the Alien team is utterly incompetant in which case you might as well find your self a nice 'hole and wait till the game ends.
Its people like you who end up screwing over teams because they think they are some bad mothers as fade or Onos. Only 3% of the people that actually res hoard have a right to when the team is working together and a Hive already gets up. People who go Fade as fast as possible or whine about needing more chambers so that when they onos in 3 minutes after gettin 0 kills as a skulk they dont die. I for one think Banning is a bit much, but I WILL get a vote kick started on any person who does what you think is okay.
Thank god they are making NS: Combat so ****s like you stop gettin on the NS servers and end up screwing over every alien team you play with because you think you have some right to not spend any res on anything but what YOU want. All the seperate pools do is force people to actually get kills and reward the better Alien players who can get 50 res, put up the Hive, and then get 50 more res all within 10 minutes of the game. THEY have the right to go fade. People whom spend their res on nothing but themselves should go elsewhere as Aliens are the most team based side in any game I've ever seen. You dont like puttin up a Hive go play Marines and stop ruining everyone elses fun. Or better yet get some whichbots and dont **** anyone else off anymore.
Oh and the asteriks that you were asking about stand for a certain "working girl" that we cant name thanks to censoring on this forum.
-Red
There always has to be a res **** on the aliens team. Of course not everyone should be, but obviously the better players should be whoring for high lifeforms, since they will most likely win the game for the aliens. There's only so much you can do as a skulk offensive wise.
Tyrsis
Just type in console: hud_fastswitch 1
OR
In your config: hud_fastswitch "1"
After that, you can easily switch between any weapon 1-4 just by pressing the number key, and Voila! You have it.
When I play fade, I just hit 1 then 2, then I can just alternate between the two attacks with 'q' which is bound as lastinv.
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are you blind
Just type in console: hud_fastswitch 1
OR
In your config: hud_fastswitch "1"
After that, you can easily switch between any weapon 1-4 just by pressing the number key, and Voila! You have it.
When I play fade, I just hit 1 then 2, then I can just alternate between the two attacks with 'q' which is bound as lastinv.
That's all you'll ever need. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
we are not all elite and use WASD... when u have used arrows for... well ever, then u get used to them. And i did say, its for all who use mouse wheel to change weapon