Going Fade Too Early?
IceBaron
Join Date: 2003-02-25 Member: 13954Members
Join Date: 2003-02-25 Member: 13954Members
<div class="IPBDescription">did i miss something?</div> I was playing today and had a really good streak. When the match started I rushed the MS and killed three. Then I rushed again and killed three more. Then I had 48 res and saw they were building def up first, so I waited till 50 in hive and went fade then went def regen. My team got mad at me because I didn't plant the second hive. On a team of 7 there were two (me and another guy) that were not gorge so I thought I would keep on the offensive to hold them at base as much as possible. So I rushed MS again, went thru it and proceeded to destroy the two rt's marines made. They tried to relocate to another hive so I went and wiped that out (by myself) and then they tried another node and I wiped them out there with the help of a gorge. All the marines quit (enough to end the match) so we won inside of four minutes. Was what I did bad?
The idea I thought was to win, I was feeling lucky and doing well and thought I would do more good for the team by keeping them on the defensive and it worked. What do you guys think, cause my team mates said if an admin was there I would of been banned.
And btw, I am not leet by any means buy I was having a really good streak, we all get those, right? Where we feel indestructable?
The idea I thought was to win, I was feeling lucky and doing well and thought I would do more good for the team by keeping them on the defensive and it worked. What do you guys think, cause my team mates said if an admin was there I would of been banned.
And btw, I am not leet by any means buy I was having a really good streak, we all get those, right? Where we feel indestructable?
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As long as you're not doing it every round regardless of the situation, then it's fine. You took note of the situation and adapted appropriately.
Final word, there were a lot of "newbs" on your team.
1. Marines have a lot of electrified rts
2. If aliens have around 6 rts
3. If aliens have more than 1 gorge
Or if the marines are just purely owning the aliens
1. Marines have a lot of electrified rts
2. If aliens have around 6 rts
3. If aliens have more than 1 gorge
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I concur, if any of these situations arise, then early fade will curb, if not entirely defer the direction that the battle is going. Though more and more often I have been able to take two skulks with me (as a perma - gorge) and get them to destroy electrified rt's while I heal them. So If you don't want to / can't go fade and its a large player server then you can do that instead. Otherwise just fade and take out their outposts. Fade is good against Early Level Lockdowns. You know, the pre-phasegate/pre-electrified|TF Lockdown. Because then you can lure their marines away and afterwards take out their TF. Post-PG/Post-Elec|TF requires a planned attack or some combination of Onos + Support Unit.
Dunno about Marines owning aliens, cause if you wait too long and that is happening, chances are they will get HMG and/or HA, then its not worth the res.
So, when you evolve to fade, select claws and use them, then select blink and use that. Now, use lastinv and you will switch to claws, use lastinv again, and you will switch to blink.
It helps greatly, though I'm only an average fade player...
This is just an example of nubs who think they know it all, and if you have an admin wanting to ban you for early fading... <span style='color:white'>do not dodge the swear filter</span> and go play on another pub. <span style='color:white'>Do not server-bash.</span>
Early <b>unskilled</b> Fade: very very bad. Wastes a shot at second hive, and majorly affects moral for both sides. When I see someone go fade, then see two swipe kills, then a dead fade I get very mad. On pubs the most common reaction to early fade is 'OMG YUO IDIOT" since most people aren't highly skilled fades.
I completely forgot about the quickswitch button. I've been using the 1 and 2 keys.
"I was playing today and had a really good streak"
Number one, boasting about kill streaks on NS servers isn't the point of the game. Most players view team gain over "OMG I PWNED ALL TEH RINES". Already I can see the problem here.
"Then I had 48 res and saw they were building def up first, so I waited till 50 in hive and went fade then went def regen."
At first hive? How many controllable RTs did you have? Some players prefer a second hive over an early fade - especially if only ONE player has been making the bulk of kills. If the other players are barely pushing 10 res each and you're on 50, you want to drop a second hive. Why? Because the rest wont be able to anytime soon. And if you're on a "streak" then you'll be able to regain that res much faster anyhow.
Is it recommended that lesser skilled players drop the hive? I don't think so. If I can whack enough rines to give me hive res, then I'm dropping that hive. Why wait for a new player to get 50 res, when he might not even know how to gorge, or use the minimap, or how you build hives? If he uses that res, how long until he gets more? Can't experienced players do the job faster? YES. So we should.
IF YOU INSIST ON HOARDING RES, TELL THE TEAM.
Most players don't mind as long as they're warned. IE, tell the team "we've 3 chambers, someone's putting up second hive, so I'm going to go fade and blitz their rts." Hoarding in silence will not gain you friends, and will worry most teams because silent hoarding is the mark of the lamer.
Lots of lamers hoard silently, don't communicate (perhaps other than to whine for dc/mc chambers) then go fade. Players will watch for this lame behaviour. Noone else knows how good a player you MAY be... so be sure to TALK to the team.
Also bear in mind that if you've played for several rounds, faded every time and got shot to death because you're a crap fade, then next round people will be screaming at you not to fade because you just CAN'T FADE PROPERLY.
Bear in mind that if you're a crap fade, you're a DEAD fade, and a waste of res. While you've got yourself shot, some BETTER PLAYER, who actually knows what he's doing, will have to cover your rear by dropping the hive. He'll recover, but YOU have stalled the team because of a 50 res waste.
Its nothing to do with being new, its to do with being lame. And only genuine lamers will blame it on the other players (OMG I'm teh best fade ever, you're all nubs, you should have dropped DC and a hive so i could use carapace and meta).
Oh, and about lastinv, thanks a lot guys, I had never really paid attention to that command. With this I might finally be able to attack as skulk and leap away... I've got just the right setup for it too.
The idea I thought was to win, I was feeling lucky and doing well and thought I would do more good for the team by keeping them on the defensive and it worked. What do you guys think, cause my team mates said if an admin was there I would of been banned.
And btw, I am not leet by any means buy I was having a really good streak, we all get those, right? Where we feel indestructable? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
your team said, or just some vocal idiot on your team?
Cuz whoever thinks that way sucks. End of story. If your team was that stupid then you can congratulate yourself on winning the game singlehandedly, cuz your teammates sure can't be depended on.
I know that if it was the third round with the same team, and a bad fade player went fade *again*, then there'd be some complaints.
Lemme just say I'm in favour of competent players saving for the bigger evolutions, but if you're only doing well through a lucky streak.....
The only thing I usually quiz, is when a player goes Lurk straight away without a single chamber yet being placed, that's the biggest waste of res imo.
4 gorge and drop rt's, then one chamber apiece, 2 stay gorge, other 2 go skulk.
1 lerk
3 save for onos/fade
better classes are nice to have early, but 100 res is a lot, that 3 of every chamber, or 2 hives and 2 chambers, or a shitload of rt's. if you aren't good, and your 100 res will get wasted, build stuff. your team will be more grateful (helpful if you are new and looking to be recognized as a non-idiot) if you build them structures, than if you were to go onos and fail to redeem on your second rush.
in other words, if you aren't going to make good use of your res, i.e. do more than stomp/gore random lone marines, then you should probably spend them on upgrades. a team full of 2 hive def/mov skulks with a few fades and an onos is definately better than 8 skulks with 80 res, no rts, no chambers, and one hive.
Lets just say after that marines start dying pretty quickly.
And i have a uh.....UNIQUE controls config that makes switching to blink and back an absolute ****.So i dont blink a lot.
Marines usually lose a couple of 45 res structures after i go fade,i get lots of RFK.....i need to be in the wrong place at the wrong time to actually die.
But then i can usually go fade back again anyway.
Now ive seen a couple of guys do non-stop blink and slash.
Lemme tell you,one of these guys goes fade,picks regen,and you are pretty much ****.
At 5 minutes best you have are shottys.
You know how difficult it is to hit widly blinking fades with shotties?We are talking pubs here.We are talking about a regen fade that will blink up to nearby vents or away to heal and then come at you again.
I shudder to think about what happens with early fades in clangames when fades are supported by skulks......
Having a person (or two) save to go fade is a necessary strat, however when on pubs you need to be careful, if everyone is trying to save to go fade/ onos you have a bad situation on your hands, gg pubs. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> Explain in the beg, I am a good fade, I'll save for that, we need someone to save for a hive, and we need people to drop nodes. Eventually if enough people try to incorporate teamwork into pubs it will work, and pubs will be more fun to play at. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
1.) saving for early fade/lerk
2.) saving for onos
3.) place a RT right off the bat, then save for hive
4.) RTs
5.) RTs... then chambers l8er
see all areas covered, but in pubs it is impossible to get people to do their jobs, and the better you are... the higher you should go for on that list. If your uber good, go for early fade/lerk, if you suck, you cant go wrong with resources.
nothing beats devouring 8-10 HA in a game.
And you know the stupid part, all these people that save for an early Fade or Onos, they're never good players. They're people that <b>need</b> the extra hitpoints and armour.
But then again, it's their res to spend. But is it really too much to ask that if you're not going to help the team with getting a second / third hive and going to spend the res on yourself, at <b>least</b> tell everyone so we don't sit around for 20 minutes asking "Can anyone afford the next hive" when half the team's just spent 100 res going Onos.
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The marines die. Horribly.
There are certain players who, if they are on the alien side, I know the game is lost. I will refuse to com because I know that no matter what I do, that lone player, as a Fade, will undo all my efforts. We are talking about players here who can take on 6+ marines and kill them all. These are players who kill HA marines as a 2 hive Fade.
Everyone says shotguns counter Fades. Well you can't shoot something you can't hit. These Fades are like some kind of nightmare; moving with stunning speed, assasinating marines in seconds and almost never getting hit. And of course, when they do get hit, they either have regen or meta.
Now I know Martigen knows the player I am refering to because he's in the same clan as him <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I really pity you poor vets and pts who had to try and fight him in playtesting. Btw I'm not bashing the bloke; I think he's a brilliant player who is very highly skilled. I just know that I stand no chance against him <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->