Another Hmg Rush, Another Day Closer

RoobubbaRoobubba Who you gonna call? Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11930Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
<div class="IPBDescription">to me taking the server down til 1.1</div> I'm FED UP of these really short games that just serve to bore me, and many of the other players on the server.

What's the point in playing for 5 mins or less?

One of these days I am going to do horrible things to people who continue to waste the very very very limited amount of time I actually get to play this game.

Roll on 1.1 before I take my server down :/
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  • RoobubbaRoobubba Who you gonna call? Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11930Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    and don't bother going on about "counter this" and "tactics that" that is NOT what this thread is about.
  • MilkyPMilkyP Join Date: 2003-04-25 Member: 15841Members
    edited April 2003
    Make this the *Official Whine about HMG's Thread*

    Edit:Whine..apparently no B----
  • Iced_EagleIced_Eagle Borg Engineer Join Date: 2003-03-02 Member: 14218Members
    yea i now how that feels. but apparently 1.1 is supposed to cut games in half. personally the long games to me are the best. its just tension filled <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> but if its the players on your server that are making it short <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> theres really not much you can do (except kick,ban <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> )
  • FireStormFireStorm Join Date: 2002-11-06 Member: 7390Members
    Oh yeah I hate HMG rushes....
  • TsungfaiTsungfai Join Date: 2002-12-23 Member: 11454Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> yea i now how that feels. but apparently 1.1 is supposed to cut games in half. personally the long games to me are the best. its just tension filled  but if its the players on your server that are making it short  theres really not much you can do (except kick,ban  ) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Or "slayteam". <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • CEldinCEldin Join Date: 2002-09-16 Member: 1323Members
    HMG rushes? I think I saw one of those... But I was hungry so I took a leg <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Seriosly though, I dont think you all understand what you are saying. The thing about long games you like is that there is constant assaults on your base, the battle between Fades/upgraded Marines, Oni/HA marines. Thats what I think you all like. You just overlook the underlying tedium associated with it all.

    1.1 is supposedly going to pack all that into a 22 minute game. Hot dang.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    HMG rush in 5 minutes isn't possible in 1.1.

    Carry on...
  • Lord_RequiemLord_Requiem Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9481Members
    Good lord, 1.1 still isnt out? Back to lurking...
  • eggmaceggmac Join Date: 2003-03-03 Member: 14246Members
    There are always 2 sides of the coin. Roo, remeber the <b>epic</b> 2 hours game on bast we had just before that HMG rush? That was awesome and thse matches make me still love NS.
    Lame tactics and games will always be predominant, so what? As you said, the HMG rush was over after 5 mins. And then another epic match can start... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • mRWafflesmRWaffles Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4713Members
    2 hour epic battles against fades and upgraded marines are so much fun... just nowadays its either the marines win with no fight or the fades destroy everything on the map in 20 seconds, wonderful.
  • Shoelessrat2Shoelessrat2 Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15919Members
    All I wish was for the date to be set for the 1.1 release.

    <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MadcapMagicianMadcapMagician Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15265Members, Constellation
    I think HMG rush is a perfectly valid tactic, risky but when it works it pays off big... but thats not what the thread is about.

    I don't understand why people are so frustrated with tactics that finish the alien team off in a short time. Slow alien losses are the only miserable part of NS and since there are bound to be alien losses I'd rather lose to HMGs in 10 minutes or JP/HMG in 20 minutes than have a 3 hour 2 hive lockdown. Uselessly throwing yourself at fortified marines for 2 hours before they finally march HA on you is no fun. I'd rather lose to JP/HMG or just HMG quickly and play another game. Won't someone think of the aliens!
  • CatpokerCatpoker Join Date: 2002-06-25 Member: 816Members
    HMGs without JP?

    what? HOW!!!!?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->!!! WHEN!!!!!!?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> OMG HAX!!!!!!

    i think the hmg rush is a valiad strat, its expensive, and counterable (i read that last part by the way)

    it a alien team patrols the hive area, and reports what they see, and parasites ("elite" hax!) and ambushs, no problem.... the marines are almost dead, no res... GG
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    *Sighs* No offense, but I have to agree with those who would rather loose real quick then a nine hour 2 hive lock down wherfe marines have to get EVERY upgrade.
  • Speed_2_DaveSpeed_2_Dave Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8788Members
    catpoker-I just played a game where we did just that. I tagged the marines, slowed them down long enough to get the second hive up, and the gorge webbed the floor like mad. The hmgs, not having welders with them, were stopped, just outside of our hive. Oh yeah, aliens won that round, the marines were screwed after we killed their high-res risk. We saw 2-3 more hmgs before we killed their base with onos(oni?).
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    oni=more than one onos
    <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • ZeoZeo Join Date: 2003-02-07 Member: 13224Members
    I heard jetpackers won't be able to pack HMGs in 1.1 cos of a weight issue. True or false?
  • WindelkronWindelkron Join Date: 2002-04-11 Member: 419Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--FireStorm+Apr 28 2003, 09:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FireStorm @ Apr 28 2003, 09:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh yeah I hate HMG rushes.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I hate the HMG.
  • ZiGGYZiGGY Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12479Members
    I also hate the hmg, but I like relocating to the start rt so WTH do i know <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MadjaiMadjai Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2986Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Xzilen+Apr 28 2003, 08:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Xzilen @ Apr 28 2003, 08:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *Sighs* No offense, but I have to agree with those who would rather loose real quick then a nine hour 2 hive lock down wherfe marines have to get EVERY upgrade. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    exactly, i really dont care if i lose the game from HMG rushers because they are actually being active, taking a risk, and i have a chance to stop them. while 2 hive lockdowns blow monkey balls, because the game ended like 30-60 mins ago and the marines are only interested in capping every rt and getting every upgrade possible.
  • ChadsehChadseh Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14916Members
    It worries me that no-one can even contemplate having a 2 hour battle without it being a psuedo-grief fest. Is that how low and cynical the community has become? sigh...

    You know, it IS possible to have a very close 2 hour match, it's unlikely, but eggy wouldn't have called it epic if that wasn;'t the case.
  • MadcapMagicianMadcapMagician Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15265Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Chadseh+Apr 28 2003, 11:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Chadseh @ Apr 28 2003, 11:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It worries me that no-one can even contemplate having a 2 hour battle without it being a psuedo-grief fest. Is that how low and cynical the community has become? sigh...

    You know, it IS possible to have a very close 2 hour match, it's unlikely, but eggy wouldn't have called it epic if that wasn;'t the case. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh I agree, there can still be epic battles, but they are rare. But the big thing about "Epic Games" is it's all about prespective. I've played many games where we fought super intense battles for upwards of 45 minutes before one team gained the upper hand and won. For you that may seem epic... until you talk to your friend on the other team and find out that the only reason you didn't lose is that the other team was totally incompetent. For you it seemed epic because you struggled for so long. For them it was just failing to hold the advantage due to team incompetence. Usually what one team considers "epic" the other doesn't. Processing and Cargo relocations typically fall in this category. The games where all players come away saying "wow, that was a great fight all around" are very few and far between.

    "Epic" is all in the eye of the player
  • ChadsehChadseh Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14916Members
    I think you make some great points
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    I just COMMed 6 games straight on eclipse and didn't even clock 28 minutes. That's right 6 HMG rushes in a row and of course it was on a 22/22 server.

    Bring on 1.1
  • ZERGZERG Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13132Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--ZiGGY^+Apr 28 2003, 09:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZiGGY^ @ Apr 28 2003, 09:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I also hate the hmg, but I like relocating to the start rt so WTH do i know <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    how can u hate a stronger version of your lmg? wait... not so good on the receiving end hahah
  • RoobubbaRoobubba Who you gonna call? Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11930Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    My main point is that all or nothing tactics INTRINSICALLY mean very short games. I wouldn't be any less annoyed if the marines' HMG rush had failed, they had 2 res nodes and spend all the res on an entire team of hmgs as soon as technically possible, they'd have lost the game or won it in that one rush.

    THAT is what I object to.

    I admit I was more annoyed because that was my last game of the night and I was geared up for a good game, after we'd had a load of rubbish games on caged where no-one would comm etc etc etc.

    I'm glad to hear what MonsE said though, so Keep up that playtesting!!!!!
  • keelemkeelem Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7482Members
    better hmg at the start then hmg/jp later
  • Big_Chief_Brown_BottomBig_Chief_Brown_Bottom Join Date: 2003-01-22 Member: 12584Members
    i think epic games are the best. when there's a 1 hive lockdown the game can pretty much go either way IF the aliens weren't completely off their game and let the marine rts go uneaten. after 1 hive lockdowns it becomes a battle of attrition and you really have to go after enemy rts because its whoever can outspend each other at that point is the winner.
  • JojoshuaJojoshua NS Guide Professor Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5233Members
    Ok. I was COM'ing that game he is complaining about and I have to say that he is just another newb complaining. After that game, he told me if I did it again, he would ban me. He and his whole team were morons, there was no one in the hive when my 5 hmg guys rolled in. They had NO cara, NO nothing. My marines had fun, and I had fun watching them all the aliens whine at the end. GG!
  • criticaIcriticaI Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15269Banned, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jojoshua+Apr 29 2003, 02:14 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jojoshua @ Apr 29 2003, 02:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ok. I was COM'ing that game he is complaining about and I have to say that he is just another newb complaining. After that game, he told me if I did it again, he would ban me. He and his whole team were morons, there was no one in the hive when my 5 hmg guys rolled in. They had NO cara, NO nothing. My marines had fun, and I had fun watching them all the aliens whine at the end. GG!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ok, Jojo doesn't mean to insult those guys. He is just frustrated by the fact that a server op threathened to ban him for being a good player.

    If being a good player can get you banned, go ahead and add my WONID to your ban list Roo.
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