No More TERRAFORMER & DIGGING?!

SubnauticaUpd8SubnauticaUpd8 San Diego Join Date: 2016-05-17 Member: 216842Members Posts: 3 Fully active user
Why? I know that this was being thought about, but why? This makes the game much more immersive from my point of view. Allows you to do much more things. :'( Please add it back.
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  • sPeaRr0sPeaRr0 Canada Join Date: 2016-04-01 Member: 215153Members Posts: 45 Fully active user
    Muahahaha just want to take this opportunity to say, score one for the peasants. Glad to finally see the needs of the many blah blah blah.... If it actually came down to you losing the terraformer so I can play on xbox, I don't feel sorry for you. At least we can both play. You're looking for support in the wrong forum methinks.
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  • Phoenix223Phoenix223 Chicago Join Date: 2016-02-18 Member: 213174Members Posts: 185 Advanced user
    edited May 2016
    Flayra wrote: »
    Yes we removed it for performance and design reasons. Any terrain modifications you made had to be saved out when you swam away which is really difficult and slow on the XB1 especially. It's been really hard for Grip Games and us to get performance up on the XB1 and we thought this was a good trade-off.

    I concede that the Terraformer had to be removed from Xbox One for performance issues. That can't be helped.
    Flayra wrote: »
    We also plan to remove it on PC as well, because the terraformer breaks the feel of the world (you can destroy it completely). It also works against the idea of gating, because you can just dig your way anywhere.

    But isn't this exactly what Creative mode is for?
    Why not restrict the Terraformer to and make its crafting blueprint unobtainable outside of Creative Mode? Survival mode is gated with good reason: it wouldn't be much of a game without barriers to get around. Players in Creative mode aren't held to those same limits; they're just getting creative building their bases free of restriction. The Terraformer is just another tool of that trade

    You can't save the Terraformer for XB1, but maybe you can save it for PC; just restrict it to Creative mode. "Painting plants" isn't enough.
    supermangTotalologistkatiealey
  • DraekDraek canada Join Date: 2016-05-17 Member: 216900Members Posts: 5 Fully active user
    Well whatever they choose if they can save the self expression through sandbox creations, I'd be ok with that.

    I still feel like a better solution would be to allow terraforming only a 1 meter (or whatever) layer of sand and dirt, and disable it for rock.

    This way it lets the user edit terrain for base building, but prevents destroying the world.
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  • SidchickenSidchicken Plumbing the subnautican depths Join Date: 2016-02-16 Member: 213125Members Posts: 990 Advanced user
    How does XB1 handle base building? Does it let you build into terrain?
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  • Mini_GaaraMini_Gaara England Join Date: 2016-05-19 Member: 217049Members Posts: 114 Advanced user
    edited May 2016
    Sidchicken wrote: »
    How does XB1 handle base building? Does it let you build into terrain?

    It does let you build into the land, however, when reloading the save the land glitches back into your structures. I had to remove an entire section of my base/aquarium and relocate due to this.
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  • Dutchman141Dutchman141 the Netherlands Join Date: 2016-05-18 Member: 216936Members Posts: 22 Advanced user
    If terraforming isn't implemented on Xbox then why did I just scan a piece of the terraformer blueprint?
    Cosmo123
  • Mini_GaaraMini_Gaara England Join Date: 2016-05-19 Member: 217049Members Posts: 114 Advanced user
    I kinda wish we had terraforming, it would be helpful due to the whole bug of land regenerating in your structures at a reload.
    Cosmo123
  • valknightvalknight USA Join Date: 2016-05-20 Member: 217150Members Posts: 4
    if you removed the terraforming then please remove everything associated with it. I have schematics for the terraformer.
    Cosmo123
  • sPeaRr0sPeaRr0 Canada Join Date: 2016-04-01 Member: 215153Members Posts: 45 Fully active user
    Use a foundation for your first multi purpose room. No more clipping problem. It kinda even says in the description of foundations to start with them.
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  • TravistyJCTravistyJC California Join Date: 2016-05-22 Member: 217267Members Posts: 7 Fully active user
    Goofy6 wrote: »
    Flayra wrote: »
    Yes we removed it for performance and design reasons. Any terrain modifications you made had to be saved out when you swam away which is really difficult and slow on the XB1 especially. It's been really hard for Grip Games and us to get performance up on the XB1 and we thought this was a good trade-off.

    We also plan to remove it on PC as well, because the terraformer breaks the feel of the world (you can destroy it completely). It also works against the idea of gating, because you can just dig your way anywhere.

    We're still thinking about the exact changes we need to make, but this is one case where the XB1 is "ahead" of the PC version...

    Please, don't remove it on PC. PCs can handle it and if someone wants to destroy his/hers world, why should we care? I'm using Terraformer just for base building and some things like Moon pool sometimes needs some terraforming under and around them to be usable. And if you really want to do something with Terraformer, what about set a distance from player placed blocks where they can be used?

    It's not about the PC being able to handle it it's about being fair I think. Xbox1 players wish they could terraform to build bases but if should be both or neither. And it does break the general point of the game personally I think it should only be in creative mode.
    Cosmo123
  • Dirk_PerfectDirk_Perfect Kentucky Join Date: 2016-05-24 Member: 217411Members Posts: 38 Fully active user
    I am honestly fine with the loss of Terra forming if it is a performance issue and/or breaks forward updates which could end up making us have to fix our bases over and over due to game/map changes but I do have a few requests to make the transition hopefully a bit smoother. Though the game is in ongoing developement, we as gamers are not usually happy to lose tools we get used to. While my suggestions will not make the diehard Terraformers happy, hopefully it will make a few not as annoyed.

    1. Maybe the most important part would be the heavy immersion breaking annoyance of unforgiving terrain. Very critical that if we run buildings into terrain and it removes the terrain, that it stay gone as long as we have a base there. I realize you all already want this but I suggest not removing digging/terraforming from the PC users (I am a Xbox One user for this game) until you fix the fact terrain returns and makes parts of bases impassable thus forcing them to scrap and redesign. They will be far more furious no longer being able to dig/Terra form their way out of the games lack of persistent terrain removal from base building while not fixing the problems first that made them come to rely on such tools.

    2. In real building as you are well aware, it makes sense that builders flatten out and level the terrain they put a foundation on and this game should not be different given the high technology or even if it was fairly low technology really. If a foundation is placed, the ground immediately under it assuming it's within say 2 meters of the floor should be dropped so it's even and all vegetation and spawns under the foundation should be killed until the base is demolished. It is annoying to build a foundation and corridor or room with knee high vegetation waving back and forth inside the building as if it's still interacting with the ocean currents. As an Xbox user this means I have to just find another spot to build that is kinda flat and sans vegetation if I don't want to deal with that. I make due because that would annoy me to and I have no tool to fix it so I search for places where terrain cannot come back to haunt my base and vegetation will not live on growing through my solid floor despite being smothered to death by my titanium sun blocking foundations.

    3. Seduce gamers with beautiful potential build spots. Maybe we will come across them in our own explorations or maybe you drop some signals our way in loot from previous explorers who comment on a potential build site they think has great benefits, pretty, potential easy access resources, flat clear ground of a nice shelf cut into a cliff, or a massive cave so big the cyclops can navigate it and come up into a pool and inside this giant air pocket cavern is its own luminescent fungus that lights the cave up, a few blind alien species of fish and alien lobster-like thing, some sort of cave fungus food source, maybe a fresh water waterfall inside a person can harness for power hydroelectric and set up some sort of freshwater system from it. I'm sure you get the idea of my intent.

    If there was at least one of these in each major zone, I think people would spend time just finding these sweet spots to build and the further out of the way they are from safety, the more difficult they should be to get to or build at. They should have one or more challenges, lacks a good food source, dangerous predators frequent the area, lacks material resources, maybe earthquakes due to instability occasionally damage the hull of especially weak base builds both above water or underwater in that area, maybe the beautiful cave I mentioned occasionally has debris fall from the ceiling and potentially damages weak hull bases. People like to fix things as long it's not a continuous chore running base to base trying to keep ahead but long neglect most gamers might find it fun to get their old long abandoned base running again.

    Anyways just some thoughts on losing digging/Terra forming that might cushion the blow somewhat. Nothing more annoying to a gamer then losing something they felt was a good workaround to a situation and the game developers pull the workaround without fixing the issues first that they know is why the gamers rely on it so heavily. I realize digging/Terra forming is used for other reasons as well but they are not essential. We can and will get over it or play something else I suppose if we were that married to it and throw a fit but to me using it as a workaround for things like I mentioned above and the having to live with the terrain and vegetation in your base forcing redesign, abandonment, or hoping one day it will be fixed months, years, or never would be infuriating.
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  • SteeeveTheSteveSteeeveTheSteve Oregon Join Date: 2016-08-29 Member: 221840Members Posts: 1
    Just came back to the game after waiting for some of the more annoying bugs to leave and was happy to find them gone when I came back and a number of great improvements! The only negatives so far is I couldn't move the lifepod to a better spot anymore and I can't dig. I never did like the teriformer much, it didn't jive with survival mode at all, but I did use to dig through the sand placing base components as I went. It was quite fun, felt like I was preping the ground, helped me place things where I wanted, and made a very interesting and visually appealing base, but apparently I can't do that anymore because the XBOX is an outdate POS. Nope, not happy. To make it worce, since I haven't gotten to real base building yet, what made me look it up was getting my seamoth stuck and I couldn't dig it out.
  • scouttsscoutts Victoria, BC Join Date: 2016-07-28 Member: 220747Members Posts: 63 Fully active user
    Was there a new patch today?
  • Tlroa893Tlroa893 Join Date: 2016-08-09 Member: 221113Members Posts: 64 Fully active user
  • GlitchisawesomiumGlitchisawesomium Join Date: 2016-08-30 Member: 221897Members Posts: 1 Fully active user
    I really think we should still have it, or at least some of it. There needs to be some way of digging so that people can make intricate bases in mountains. It could be limited so that its not so overpowered as it used to be, but it is definitely very useful. Also, if it was mainly removed because the Xbox couldn't handle it, thats consoles fault. Consoles will almost always be behind pc in terms of processing power and if we go by that it will severely limit the gameplay.
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  • samjampiratesamjampirate Join Date: 2016-10-01 Member: 222738Members Posts: 1
    The terraformer is integral to my playstyle. Not only does it allow me to round out terrain near bases, make platforms for vehicles, base-building, farming, etc; but it also infinitely expands gameplay options. for instance, with the terraformer, i made a base on top of the aurora, one of the best views in the game. I can use it to build easy waypoints on a whim, make a safe, caged, porch-like area around bases in leviathan territory, or make a dug-in base on the side of a cliff. Also, i dug a mineshaft from bowser's castle to the safe shallows, because there's no way i'm navigating the caves every time i want to go between bases, one time was enough. Let the players play the game how they want, seek to add gameplay options, not remove them (if i want to be a filthy casual, why not let me?). every gameplay feature you take away will also lose some players who loved that feature. If the terraformer is removed, i plan to roll back and play on a version that has it, forever. other than that, great work devs! I am in love with your game!
  • CAPSHAWCAPSHAW Nevada Join Date: 2016-09-29 Member: 222692Members Posts: 274 Advanced user
    Are you going to take it out of the base building function too? Like when we build a moonpool and it cuts out some of the ground is dug out. I cant tell you how many times ive put in a multipurpose room with a pot in it or something, and when I reload the game, theres a rock in the way of it and I cant deconstruct my room because 'attatched components must be deconstructed first'. Because...I just cant. Maybe I am just dumb for building my base like that though. I am happy with anything that improves the framerate!!!
  • GaryPGaryP SC Join Date: 2016-10-13 Member: 223093Members Posts: 3 Fully active user
    Just came back to the game after waiting for some of the more annoying bugs to leave and was happy to find them gone when I came back and a number of great improvements! The only negatives so far is I couldn't move the lifepod to a better spot anymore and I can't dig. I never did like the teriformer much, it didn't jive with survival mode at all, but I did use to dig through the sand placing base components as I went. It was quite fun, felt like I was preping the ground, helped me place things where I wanted, and made a very interesting and visually appealing base, but apparently I can't do that anymore because the XBOX is an outdate POS. Nope, not happy. To make it worce, since I haven't gotten to real base building yet, what made me look it up was getting my seamoth stuck and I couldn't dig it out.

    One more vote:
    I feel the same way. I loved the terraformer. I'm on PC (IMHO, the only way to play games, because I can't use a controller.) :smile: I like keyboard and mouse.
    At least leave it in creative mode.
    I get why you had to save all the data. That makes sense. I used to make caves to hide in to get away from the monsters because there is no way to kill them.
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members Posts: 4,062 Advanced user
    Flayra wrote: »
    Yes we removed it for performance and design reasons. Any terrain modifications you made had to be saved out when you swam away which is really difficult and slow on the XB1 especially. It's been really hard for Grip Games and us to get performance up on the XB1 and we thought this was a good trade-off.

    We also plan to remove it on PC as well, because the terraformer breaks the feel of the world (you can destroy it completely). It also works against the idea of gating, because you can just dig your way anywhere.

    We're still thinking about the exact changes we need to make, but this is one case where the XB1 is "ahead" of the PC version...

    @Flayra Hey, I'm sure there were other reasons, but why not just queue terrain saving a few steps behind what the player is doing? i.e., build foundation, build base, build hatch (XB1/PC saves foundation), build solar panel (XB1/PC saves base segment)?

    Then when you leave it only has to save the last couple of things. I'm sure there's a reason why this wouldn't work, but I"m all ears if you've got the time. Of course, it's you guys' decision. :)
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  • jakhazelljakhazell Australia Join Date: 2017-01-03 Member: 225988Members Posts: 1
    edited January 3
    The terraformer is in the Xbox One version of the game, just not placed anywhere in the game world. I was playing around with the dev console and turns out you can still get it from the console command "item terraformer".

    Its pretty buggy and any alterations to the terrain seem to reset after loading a save or moving too far away but hey its a bit of fun to play with. Also causes the game to crash and slows the fps but as the devs have said at this point they might completely remove it from the game so its obviously not gonna be fully functional.
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members Posts: 4,062 Advanced user
    @Flayra I was wondering if it's possible to implement terraforming only for small customized blocks of land, on top of the normal, non-terraformable terrain, without affecting performance? In other words, the world is not terraformable, but you can build small chunks of terraformable terrain on top of that world.

    Or would that still drag performance down too much?
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  • HoneyWithersHoneyWithers Huntington Beach Join Date: 2015-06-11 Member: 205395Members Posts: 3
    The game is starting to lose the fun because I found out that I can't build threw ground to make the ground shape how I want it. Digging is still important in exploration in this game and needs to stay! the use to dig is the best way to make a base perfect. there was not problems when I used to be able to alter the ground from building so but back the ability to dig with the builder because it WORKS!
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members Posts: 4,062 Advanced user
    You can still get the terraformer (at this point) by using
    item 514
    
    in the console. If it means that much to you, when they release a patch to remove it (since you do own the game), torrent the version right before that and use it instead. You'll never get the full release, but if you only want terraforming, you're set.
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  • fallennight1986fallennight1986 texas Join Date: 2016-12-21 Member: 225320Members Posts: 67 Fully active user
    id rather have an item more useful for the real game like maybe a cloner that can make and pplace copys of bigger plants so you can build a base anywhere and still have a similar envirment to your favorite biome. so you could be practical on where you make your base for materials you need for thing but still feel like your in yoour favorite biome example giant glowing mushrooms in th dunes or mountain biome.
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