Gorge bhop

Wob

Gorge bhop a la comp mod.

Gorge more early game mobility.

Gorge stronger early game.

Buff early game aliens.

Early game aliens normally get rekt by marines.

Discuss?

rantology

Gorge bhop in compmod isn't hard to pull off because you can just spam bellyslide and it's an inherent speed gain (it also looks quite strange). But I agree it's fun.

joshhh

Doubt it would affect pub play that much. Gorges typically just build forts around random tunnels throughout the map. Not a whole lot of battle gorging/assisting in team fights until the bile spam starts.

It definitely is fun... and I would want it for that reason alone.

Kouji_San

Babblers are still clunky to use as well, fun though seeing them little critters run amok without ANY danger to marines other than potential meat shield IF you get them tagged on them fast moving buddies of yours

Competitive Babblers, I'd like to see how that would work hehehe

babbler as playable class!

Nordic

This is a higher skill thing, and should not effect pub balance much.

Wob

higher skill players will play more gorge more often

Frozen

+1 for this because +1 for fun things

@Kouji_San Competitive babblers don't work. They were there for a patch. Please never mention this again Terrible, horrible, regrettable rounds lol

2cough

Would love this in vanilla. Once you gorge in compmod, it's really frustrating to go back to brick gorge. I would definitely gorge more often if bhop avail in vanilla.

BabblerKing

Someone mentioned fun? HANG HIM!

SantaClaws

I'm hard pressed to think of reason why not.

Furs

+1 bunnyhopping gorges and selectable tunnel exit/entrances

UncleCrunch

@Wob : The last one who suggest buffing alien early game has been labeled as heretic.

turtsmcgurt

gorge bhop is the only reason to play this game

Kouji_San

I'm all for renaming this "Belly Bouncing"

o/

IronHorse

Kouji_San wrote: »

Competitive Babblers, I'd like to see how that would work hehehe

Nordic

I would want to give player controlled babblers wallwalking, a movement speed of 20, 20 damage per bite, and one hit kill if they can land a bite on the marines head.

Kouji_San

IronHorse wrote: »

Kouji_San wrote: »

Competitive Babblers, I'd like to see how that would work hehehe

Haha yes indeed, also a cool side note. The Original NS Babblers used the Snark code


[edit] And ate the server power alive, ironically... mo'babblers mo'lag

CCTEE

Nordic wrote: »

I would want to give babblers wallwalking, a movement speed of 20, 20 damage per bite, and one hit kill if they can land a bite on the marines head.

Babblers need the Urban Assault* mechanic:
-gorge makes babbler.
-commander takes 3D control of babbler.
-possesed babbler gets stronk(er) while commander plays it.

Fixes:
- alien commander less boring / more dynamic
- babblers more usefull

*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Assault

amoral

Hrm, did not know gorges were buffed in comp mod. Must insist gorges be buffed in vanilla.

The war gorge will ride again

turtsmcgurt

amoral wrote: »

Hrm, did not know gorges were buffed in comp mod. Must insist gorges be buffed in vanilla.

The war gorge will ride again

shameless plug of the bhop

xDragon

The gorge is buffed to make it more viable/fun to use in combat. Its not given some blanket stronger abilities like better babblers or hydras with more HP.
I think 'early' game aliens actually do need a bit of help, marines are quite strong. But then I consider when lerks pop the beginning of the 'midgame' in a sense.

IronHorse

lol @turtsmcgurt for a second there I thought you had nailed that clog save while falling into the pit.
Nice moves, it makes the gorge waayy more evasive

amoral

xDragon wrote: »

The gorge is buffed to make it more viable/fun to use in combat. Its not given some blanket stronger abilities like better babblers or hydras with more HP.
I think 'early' game aliens actually do need a bit of help, marines are quite strong. But then I consider when lerks pop the beginning of the 'midgame' in a sense.

i go in and try to outjuke the marine early game.

any kind of mobility increase is a straight up buff.

5 and done baby. just pray to Jesus that their medpacks aren't on point.

make me real happy, and bring back rupture effects on successful spits.


Balls out boys, do you want to live forever?

Wob

The problem is even with well set up clogs, any engagement is pretty much do or die for gorges.

As a marine, I don't fear gorges in the slightest in public because they can't keep up into combat if I fall out and bait the skulks, and when the skulks are dead, the gorges have so little mobility beyond A-D-A-D-A-D.

I think this change will help against strong marine players who stomp easily.
I think this change will promote high skilled players to go gorge for fun.

I think that low skilled players will still struggle with 100% utilising the bhop (as they still fail with walljumping...) so it's not an across the board buff for aliens - just a higher skill ceiling.
I also think it'll allow more public gorges to be braver if they learn to use the bhop to exit engagements if they turn sour. This will help alien engagements early game, and God knows they need it on all these high player count servers.

xDragon

You realllllly should not refer to it as 'bhop' IMO, even if just to avoid that connotation. All that is changed for the gorge movement in comp mod is a higher air control value, and lower air friction.

meatmachine

Certain players (enterisys)' gorge in pubs rekts me so hard already though ._.

Wob

Some good discussion. Is the CDT trello board still relevant what with the changes to the team?

CCTEE

Wob wrote: »

Some good discussion. Is the CDT trello board still relevant what with the changes to the team?

Yes from what i understand it has the same role

Edit: seems i was wrong. New (extra) trello:
https://trello.com/b/uFv64kH6/ns2-development-team

Wob

Can we get some yellow responses @Obraxis ?

Aeglos

Wob wrote: »

Can we get some yellow responses @Obraxis ?

I'd upvote you if you post it in Ghoul's new feedback portal. Who knows, it might be the one that finally gets more votes than that closed entry that is not up for debate.

Frozen

Aeglos wrote: »

Wob wrote: »

Can we get some yellow responses @Obraxis ?

I'd upvote you if you post it in Ghoul's new feedback portal. Who knows, it might be the one that finally gets more votes than that closed entry that is not up for debate.

I have all the entries in my email, I'll post them at some point