<!--QuoteBegin--mouth+Nov 28 2002, 02:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mouth @ Nov 28 2002, 02:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Right. So you'll just stoop to the level of giving pretentious "explainations" that would give holocaust deconstructionists something to laugh about.
Yeah, kind of like that. Except, not. "Technically", you're really stretching for your BS answers. I've seen political speechwriters spin less garbage. That comparison invalidates itself simply by <i>existing</i>.
Neither is the thought of having the game i like being on the path to ruin due to the lamest "logic" i've ever seen. I have a thing about not liking morons. Sue me. First it's r_drawviewmodel, then what? Maybe "skulks that bark bees when they bark!"?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Look, Mouth, I'm glad you feel you can be so self righteous about this.
I'd like you to consider that you are the one flinging around insults like "jackasses", "candyasses", "morons", and refering to the creator of this mod, that you've deemed fun enough to play, as a person who "makes baseless decisions" and whose "rational judgement doesn't seem to be his strong point". And, thanks for letting us know that this one change that's been made is leading the game "on a path to ruin".
I think that the devs have given very reasonable arguments, in this post, and all the other ones like it. Is it any wonder that, when faced with a variety of comments, filled with insults and general animosity, that some of us get a bit testy? I think Bathroom Monkey managed to remain very calm and rational, despite all of that, and he didn't stoop to name calling.
I would really appreciate that everyone would try to be a little more civil around here.
Ah, screw it. I'm sick of trying so damn hard to be respectful to know-it-all pissholes who think that just because they dress up their insults with large words and "you started it first" accusations then they are the ones being intelligent.
Mouth, please, fall through your a-hole and hang yourself.
Ah, yeah, that is much more fun then being civil and respectful.
For the love of God, can some moderator please lock this post before I am reduced to flinging more juvenile insults? Unless people are willing to discuss the issues in this post a little more respectfully.
r_drawviewmodel 0 is a legitimate part of the HL engine, that is why it's hard coded into the game. NS is the one getting in its way. I take it off in all hl mods for better fps and visibility, I don't play the game to look at eye-candy like weapon models.
<!--QuoteBegin--Squeal Like A Pig+Nov 28 2002, 04:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Squeal Like A Pig @ Nov 28 2002, 04:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Mouth, please, fall through your a-hole and hang yourself. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i luv you <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
EDIT: i ment Squeal Like A Pig, in case u didnt know <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Squeal Like A Pig+Nov 28 2002, 10:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Squeal Like A Pig @ Nov 28 2002, 10:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Look, Mouth, I'm glad you feel you can be so self righteous about this.
I'd like you to consider that you are the one flinging around insults like "jackasses", "candyasses", "morons", and refering to the creator of this mod, that you've deemed fun enough to play, as a person who "makes baseless decisions" and whose "rational judgement doesn't seem to be his strong point". And, thanks for letting us know that this one change that's been made is leading the game "on a path to ruin".
I think that the devs have given very reasonable arguments, in this post, and all the other ones like it. Is it any wonder that, when faced with a variety of comments, filled with insults and general animosity, that some of us get a bit testy? I think Bathroom Monkey managed to remain very calm and rational, despite all of that, and he didn't stoop to name calling.
I would really appreciate that everyone would try to be a little more civil around here.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks, chum. I'm glad you feel that the pretenses of being "civil and respectful" are enought to make up for a complete lack of them having a concrete argument. "Uh, well, 'technically' the bitegun doesn't blind you while using it, because it can't be used when it's in use". Come on. That's the dumbest **obscenity** thing i've ever heard.
I considered those things at every point during this thread. I'd like for YOU to consider that people are flying off the handle about something that is in no way a cheat. I'd also like for you to remember that the biggest reason they have for wanting r_drawviewmodel locked is "durrrr....Flayra says it da cheeting". Is it any wonder that, when faced with people wanting to change something that affects players like me but NOT players with high framerates, that some of us get a bit testy?
Yeah, i'm full of **obscenity** and vinegar. I find the <u>idea</u> that a group of simpering MORONS can **obscenity** loud enough to get something changed, despite the non-existent reasons for wanting it so, to be something i don't particularly like. They want to pointlessly change something that helps low-FPS players. I am affected by this. I find every argument for locking that cvar to be wholly retarded. Do excuse me for calling a spade a spade. I also find it unnecessary to maintain a veneer of "respectfulness" when most of the other participants have failed in maintaining a veneer of intelligence. If they're not going to adhere to logic, then i feel no need to adhere to "niceness". And if illogical changes like this can be made, if the mod is swayed by deficient people, then the mod can go nowhere BUT down.
I personally do not care if you get testy. I do not subscribe to the nonsensical and perverted notion that people need to paste on a fake plastic smile. Whether they get **obscenity** or not is up to them. Maybe some day they'd like to extend the same courtesy to the rest of the forum.
Is there any reason for the skulks eyes to be in his mouth?
Is there any reason to claim it's "for balance" when the damage and RoF of the bitegun are easily changed WITHOUT resorting to intrusive weapon models?
Does having a high-end machine/connection NOT give you an even bigger advantage?
Does r_drawviewmodel 0 allow skulks to magically kill scads of marines from head-on?
These are all issues that have been presented here. These are also issues that the "lock r_drawviewmodel" camp have done NOTHING but dance around.
So, in a nutshell: You're looking in the wrong place. Things might get more "civil" when one of you gives a reasonable argument for once.
On that note: Mouth, you're an arrogant ***self-nuke*** (I think some restraint is in order here).
Sorry, but it had to be said.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So you'll just stoop to the level of giving pretentious "explainations" that would give holocaust deconstructionists something to laugh about.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Can you really accuse <b>me</b> of being pretentious and then spout off about 'holocaust deconstructionists' in the same breath?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"Uh, well, 'technically' the bitegun doesn't blind you while using it, because it can't be used when it's in use". Come on. That's the dumbest **obscenity** thing i've ever heard.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, Captain Lack-of-Context, remember why I said this? Because you remarked that it made NO sense to have a weapon that was <b>only</b> usable when you were blinded by it. I was correcting you. Simple as that. So here goes, and imagine me doing this with mock sign language and deaf-guy inflection: "You can only <b>use</b> the skulk bite when the mouth is open. Therefore, you <b>can</b> see. When you bite, the mouth <b>closes</b>, momentarily obscuring your view as it does damage. However, you can't click the button and initiate <b>another</b> attack until the mouth opens again. So at no point is the bite ever <b>blinding</b> and <b>usable</b> at the same time."
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I've seen political speechwriters spin less garbage. That comparison invalidates itself simply by existing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know your type. Bright guy, probably an English major who figures that he's getting his money's worth by tossing out as many 25 cent words as possible. Uses that skill to hamfist his way through arguments on messageboards, where the average user simply buys his crap as Gospel because it's got a lot of fancy, college-learnin' in it. Sorry, but that little flashbang isn't working for you right now.
So please, for the slower kids in the class, tell us how that comparison 'invalidates itself simply by existing'.
See, all you really do is reply to people with a whole lot of insults and big words, and then an opinion dressed up as fact.
And here's the deal-- if Flayra considers it a cheat, it's a cheat. Why? Becuase it's <b>his</b> **obscenity** game. Don't like it? Don't play it. I'll personally refund you for your copy of half-life if you never play ns again.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if Flayra considers it a cheat, it's a cheat. Why? Becuase it's his **obscenity** game.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That was possibly the best remark made in this whole lousy argument thus far.
Yes, it is Flayra's. No, if he decides something (whether we agree or not) it'll happen. Whether you like it or not. I personally have things that I would like to change, or influence Flayra into changing, but it's his **obscenity** decision.
Guys, the best concept of playbalance/cheating is considering, "Will this make the game more like it's background?" which is at the heart of what makes the game fun. To spend some free time in that game's world.
I personally think that locking the model will do more harm than good, because what about when people make new weapon models (the Pulse Rifle being the known, but look at AHL or CS to see how widespread the weapons get) who's to decide which ones are 'obstructing the view' or not? And if they are allowed, what will stop the people who want from just making a transparent weapon?
It's not worth spending time on. Let them. I'm sure some people will have issues with some of the weapons. Or are you going to stop (also) people from changing the gamma too much, because they might see Skulks in shadows? If they did, I wouldn't be able to play NS anymore (as the gamma on my monitor is screwed) so I'd be the first to shout.
Forget about it guys, it's not worth stressing over.
I know your type. Bright guy, probably an English major who figures that he's getting his money's worth by tossing out as many 25 cent words as possible. Uses that skill to hamfist his way through arguments on messageboards, where the average user simply buys his crap as Gospel because it's got a lot of fancy, college-learnin' in it. Sorry, but that little flashbang isn't working for you right now.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> lol Beautiful bathroommonkey, someone put that in their sig!!
<!--QuoteBegin--Shockwave+Nov 28 2002, 03:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shockwave @ Nov 28 2002, 03:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if Flayra considers it a cheat, it's a cheat. Why? Becuase it's his **obscenity** game.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow, this comment was so dumb I had to register just to argue it. This is Flayra's mod and if he considers it a cheat its a cheat. Hmmm....
All this is really showing me is that this guy doesnt give a crap about the people that play his mod. If he doesnt want to accept what we think as the people who play this damn game, then why make it in the first place?
He needs to get off his damn high horse and get over himself, sorry.
I have played with r_drawviewmodel on and off. Let me tell you, it doesnt make a damn bit of difference score wise. The only thing it did was get rid of the stupid mouth view. Oh let me guess, this was another one of Flayra's genious decisions... but, common, he MADE the mod so it must make sense. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
A.) Please leave Flayra out of this argument, he hasnt done anything but try to improve this mod
B.) This has turned into a flame war, and allthough I helped influence it that way, I didnt intend so (but the blind followers just make me angry)
C.) Flameing the Devs isnt helping them change there decision
D.) Fanbois are ruining this community as much as flamers
Oh and to everyone who thinks there too good for peanut butter chocolet pie on thanks giving your crazy <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--BathroomMonkey+Nov 27 2002, 03:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BathroomMonkey @ Nov 27 2002, 03:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The skulk's eyes being in its mouth wasn't a baseless decision; Flayra, the other devs, and playtesters argued over its placement for quite some time before reaching a general consensus that that was the most immersive location and offered a built in balancing feature. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Think about this for a second.
We are playing a mod called Natural Selection. This implies that evolution is at work. You're telling me that vicious aliens who have been taking over ships despite heavy human resistance have evolved so that their EYES are in their MOUTHS?
What kind of predatory animal follows that evolution path? How does this fit inside the storyline of the game AT ALL?
If you look at a skulk you can see that its eyes are on its head facing foward, just like any other predator. The skulks eyes are not in its mouth. The players view, while giving the impression the eyes are in the mouth, is incorrect. The players view from the skulks mouth was done for several reasons. Aesthitics and game balance.
r_drawviewmodel.....is a general HL engine command, correct. However even tho it a general HL engine command does not mean it is a command for NS. While NS may be on the HL Engine it is not HL. Yes the command is in NS(for right now at least), yes it is possible to use it, but Flayra has said that it is a command that he does not wish ppl to use. What are Flayra's reasons for leaving it in? I dont know. Frankly I wished he would made it so no one could use it as this entire discussion would have never came up. I myself use the command in other mods so as to improve my framerate and/or view, but I dont use it in NS. Why? Because again Flayra has made it known he doesnt wish for ppl to use it in NS. Ppl that use it anyway are basically saying that they know better than Flayra. That they know NS better than Flayra and Flayra's viewpoint on the matter means nothing.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->All this is really showing me is that this guy doesnt give a crap about the people that play his mod. If he doesnt want to accept what we think as the people who play this damn game, then why make it in the first place?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See, you're assuming two things-- that your opinion is absolutely correct, and that it's shared by <b>all</b> ns players.
Who's on the high horse now?
This is just getting out of control. So now, Flayra is expected to dump whatever vision he had for the game, and allow <b>everything</b> to be decided by mob rule? And, of course, if he doesn't do <i>exactly</i> what he's told, it's safe to assume that he's arrogant and indifferent to the audience.
There's a difference between being <i>responsive</i> to the community and being <i>subservient</i> to the community.
How would you like 9,000 people showing up at your school/office/home and forcing their scattered, conflicting micromanagement on <b>you</b>?
Would a moderator please close this? It's going to degenerate into a complete flame war, and the only thing that's been presented by both sides are <b>opinions</b> and <b>preferences</b>.
Until someone produces a closed experiment where the effectiveness of skulks without the view model is tested against a control, this is pointless.
Edit: I've just reported this thread and requested that nukes be made (my posts included) and this topic locked. It's going <b>nowhere</b>.
Just like I said before...not sure if it was here or elsewhere...
Sure it may not make sense that the Skulk's eyes are in its mouth, but it doesn't make sense the Marines have either a) eyes in their chest or b) hold their guns up next to their heads. But that's just how it is. And we live with it.
wow a real flame, almost cesspool quaility! /me waves
How about this:
All the people who want to keep everything default keep doing it, while I use my custom models designed to give me the most fps out of my GF2mx AND make skulking as relalistic as possible!
Good point-- artistic license occurs on a fairly regular basis across most fps games-- when people played Doom, did they actually think they were firing a nose-mounted minigun?
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"Judge not that ye be not judged." -- Jesus Christ
Yeah, kind of like that. Except, not. "Technically", you're really stretching for your BS answers. I've seen political speechwriters spin less garbage. That comparison invalidates itself simply by <i>existing</i>.
Neither is the thought of having the game i like being on the path to ruin due to the lamest "logic" i've ever seen. I have a thing about not liking morons. Sue me. First it's r_drawviewmodel, then what? Maybe "skulks that bark bees when they bark!"?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Look, Mouth, I'm glad you feel you can be so self righteous about this.
I'd like you to consider that you are the one flinging around insults like "jackasses", "candyasses", "morons", and refering to the creator of this mod, that you've deemed fun enough to play, as a person who "makes baseless decisions" and whose "rational judgement doesn't seem to be his strong point". And, thanks for letting us know that this one change that's been made is leading the game "on a path to ruin".
I think that the devs have given very reasonable arguments, in this post, and all the other ones like it. Is it any wonder that, when faced with a variety of comments, filled with insults and general animosity, that some of us get a bit testy? I think Bathroom Monkey managed to remain very calm and rational, despite all of that, and he didn't stoop to name calling.
I would really appreciate that everyone would try to be a little more civil around here.
Mouth, please, fall through your a-hole and hang yourself.
Ah, yeah, that is much more fun then being civil and respectful.
For the love of God, can some moderator please lock this post before I am reduced to flinging more juvenile insults? Unless people are willing to discuss the issues in this post a little more respectfully.
weeee
"If you have removed bite model, then you are really lame, and ar skilless"
I'm no even going to ask how you came to that conclusion, or how a simple act would make you less adapt to a game.
Well im done flaming so your safe for now
Happy turkey day!!
(btw are you TBC heathen slayer?)
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EDIT: i ment Squeal Like A Pig, in case u didnt know <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'd like you to consider that you are the one flinging around insults like "jackasses", "candyasses", "morons", and refering to the creator of this mod, that you've deemed fun enough to play, as a person who "makes baseless decisions" and whose "rational judgement doesn't seem to be his strong point". And, thanks for letting us know that this one change that's been made is leading the game "on a path to ruin".
I think that the devs have given very reasonable arguments, in this post, and all the other ones like it. Is it any wonder that, when faced with a variety of comments, filled with insults and general animosity, that some of us get a bit testy? I think Bathroom Monkey managed to remain very calm and rational, despite all of that, and he didn't stoop to name calling.
I would really appreciate that everyone would try to be a little more civil around here.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thanks, chum. I'm glad you feel that the pretenses of being "civil and respectful" are enought to make up for a complete lack of them having a concrete argument. "Uh, well, 'technically' the bitegun doesn't blind you while using it, because it can't be used when it's in use". Come on. That's the dumbest **obscenity** thing i've ever heard.
I considered those things at every point during this thread. I'd like for YOU to consider that people are flying off the handle about something that is in no way a cheat. I'd also like for you to remember that the biggest reason they have for wanting r_drawviewmodel locked is "durrrr....Flayra says it da cheeting". Is it any wonder that, when faced with people wanting to change something that affects players like me but NOT players with high framerates, that some of us get a bit testy?
Yeah, i'm full of **obscenity** and vinegar. I find the <u>idea</u> that a group of simpering MORONS can **obscenity** loud enough to get something changed, despite the non-existent reasons for wanting it so, to be something i don't particularly like. They want to pointlessly change something that helps low-FPS players. I am affected by this. I find every argument for locking that cvar to be wholly retarded. Do excuse me for calling a spade a spade. I also find it unnecessary to maintain a veneer of "respectfulness" when most of the other participants have failed in maintaining a veneer of intelligence. If they're not going to adhere to logic, then i feel no need to adhere to "niceness". And if illogical changes like this can be made, if the mod is swayed by deficient people, then the mod can go nowhere BUT down.
I personally do not care if you get testy. I do not subscribe to the nonsensical and perverted notion that people need to paste on a fake plastic smile. Whether they get **obscenity** or not is up to them. Maybe some day they'd like to extend the same courtesy to the rest of the forum.
Is there any reason for the skulks eyes to be in his mouth?
Is there any reason to claim it's "for balance" when the damage and RoF of the bitegun are easily changed WITHOUT resorting to intrusive weapon models?
Does having a high-end machine/connection NOT give you an even bigger advantage?
Does r_drawviewmodel 0 allow skulks to magically kill scads of marines from head-on?
These are all issues that have been presented here. These are also issues that the "lock r_drawviewmodel" camp have done NOTHING but dance around.
So, in a nutshell:
You're looking in the wrong place. Things might get more "civil" when one of you gives a reasonable argument for once.
On that note: Mouth, you're an arrogant ***self-nuke*** (I think some restraint is in order here).
Sorry, but it had to be said.
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Can you really accuse <b>me</b> of being pretentious and then spout off about 'holocaust deconstructionists' in the same breath?
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Hey, Captain Lack-of-Context, remember why I said this? Because you remarked that it made NO sense to have a weapon that was <b>only</b> usable when you were blinded by it. I was correcting you. Simple as that. So here goes, and imagine me doing this with mock sign language and deaf-guy inflection: "You can only <b>use</b> the skulk bite when the mouth is open. Therefore, you <b>can</b> see. When you bite, the mouth <b>closes</b>, momentarily obscuring your view as it does damage. However, you can't click the button and initiate <b>another</b> attack until the mouth opens again. So at no point is the bite ever <b>blinding</b> and <b>usable</b> at the same time."
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I've seen political speechwriters spin less garbage. That comparison invalidates itself simply by existing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know your type. Bright guy, probably an English major who figures that he's getting his money's worth by tossing out as many 25 cent words as possible. Uses that skill to hamfist his way through arguments on messageboards, where the average user simply buys his crap as Gospel because it's got a lot of fancy, college-learnin' in it. Sorry, but that little flashbang isn't working for you right now.
So please, for the slower kids in the class, tell us how that comparison 'invalidates itself simply by existing'.
See, all you really do is reply to people with a whole lot of insults and big words, and then an opinion dressed up as fact.
And here's the deal-- if Flayra considers it a cheat, it's a cheat. Why? Becuase it's <b>his</b> **obscenity** game. Don't like it? Don't play it. I'll personally refund you for your copy of half-life if you never play ns again.
That was possibly the best remark made in this whole lousy argument thus far.
Yes, it is Flayra's. No, if he decides something (whether we agree or not) it'll happen. Whether you like it or not. I personally have things that I would like to change, or influence Flayra into changing, but it's his **obscenity** decision.
Guys, the best concept of playbalance/cheating is considering, "Will this make the game more like it's background?" which is at the heart of what makes the game fun. To spend some free time in that game's world.
I personally think that locking the model will do more harm than good, because what about when people make new weapon models (the Pulse Rifle being the known, but look at AHL or CS to see how widespread the weapons get) who's to decide which ones are 'obstructing the view' or not? And if they are allowed, what will stop the people who want from just making a transparent weapon?
It's not worth spending time on. Let them. I'm sure some people will have issues with some of the weapons. Or are you going to stop (also) people from changing the gamma too much, because they might see Skulks in shadows? If they did, I wouldn't be able to play NS anymore (as the gamma on my monitor is screwed) so I'd be the first to shout.
Forget about it guys, it's not worth stressing over.
I know your type. Bright guy, probably an English major who figures that he's getting his money's worth by tossing out as many 25 cent words as possible. Uses that skill to hamfist his way through arguments on messageboards, where the average user simply buys his crap as Gospel because it's got a lot of fancy, college-learnin' in it. Sorry, but that little flashbang isn't working for you right now.
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lol Beautiful bathroommonkey, someone put that in their sig!!
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Wow, this comment was so dumb I had to register just to argue it. This is Flayra's mod and if he considers it a cheat its a cheat. Hmmm....
All this is really showing me is that this guy doesnt give a crap about the people that play his mod. If he doesnt want to accept what we think as the people who play this damn game, then why make it in the first place?
He needs to get off his damn high horse and get over himself, sorry.
I have played with r_drawviewmodel on and off. Let me tell you, it doesnt make a damn bit of difference score wise. The only thing it did was get rid of the stupid mouth view. Oh let me guess, this was another one of Flayra's genious decisions... but, common, he MADE the mod so it must make sense. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
B.) This has turned into a flame war, and allthough I helped influence it that way, I didnt intend so (but the blind followers just make me angry)
C.) Flameing the Devs isnt helping them change there decision
D.) Fanbois are ruining this community as much as flamers
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The skulk's eyes being in its mouth wasn't a baseless decision; Flayra, the other devs, and playtesters argued over its placement for quite some time before reaching a general consensus that that was the most immersive location and offered a built in balancing feature.
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Think about this for a second.
We are playing a mod called Natural Selection. This implies that evolution is at work. You're telling me that vicious aliens who have been taking over ships despite heavy human resistance have evolved so that their EYES are in their MOUTHS?
What kind of predatory animal follows that evolution path? How does this fit inside the storyline of the game AT ALL?
r_drawviewmodel.....is a general HL engine command, correct. However even tho it a general HL engine command does not mean it is a command for NS. While NS may be on the HL Engine it is not HL. Yes the command is in NS(for right now at least), yes it is possible to use it, but Flayra has said that it is a command that he does not wish ppl to use. What are Flayra's reasons for leaving it in? I dont know. Frankly I wished he would made it so no one could use it as this entire discussion would have never came up. I myself use the command in other mods so as to improve my framerate and/or view, but I dont use it in NS. Why? Because again Flayra has made it known he doesnt wish for ppl to use it in NS. Ppl that use it anyway are basically saying that they know better than Flayra. That they know NS better than Flayra and Flayra's viewpoint on the matter means nothing.
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See, you're assuming two things-- that your opinion is absolutely correct, and that it's shared by <b>all</b> ns players.
Who's on the high horse now?
This is just getting out of control. So now, Flayra is expected to dump whatever vision he had for the game, and allow <b>everything</b> to be decided by mob rule? And, of course, if he doesn't do <i>exactly</i> what he's told, it's safe to assume that he's arrogant and indifferent to the audience.
There's a difference between being <i>responsive</i> to the community and being <i>subservient</i> to the community.
How would you like 9,000 people showing up at your school/office/home and forcing their scattered, conflicting micromanagement on <b>you</b>?
Would a moderator please close this? It's going to degenerate into a complete flame war, and the only thing that's been presented by both sides are <b>opinions</b> and <b>preferences</b>.
Until someone produces a closed experiment where the effectiveness of skulks without the view model is tested against a control, this is pointless.
Edit: I've just reported this thread and requested that nukes be made (my posts included) and this topic locked. It's going <b>nowhere</b>.
Sure it may not make sense that the Skulk's eyes are in its mouth, but it doesn't make sense the Marines have either a) eyes in their chest or b) hold their guns up next to their heads. But that's just how it is. And we live with it.
How about this:
All the people who want to keep everything default keep doing it, while I use my custom models designed to give me the most fps out of my GF2mx AND make skulking as relalistic as possible!
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!
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