I'm kinda hoping how it works is you can't choose your gender or anything, you just jump into the game as is and play as that for the entirety of your time in the match.
If there are just two styles (male/female) I guess this would be kinda meh, but I'm thinking way ahead here where there will be caucasian, african, asian, etc. skins and male/female versions of each. So you'd be able to quickly spot a certain player and maybe feel a little more personal for both sides when you recognize a certain player being awesome and, as a kharaa, hunting the player down based on looks. Tf2 does this similarly with the customization. You know your real enemy and friend at a glance.
<!--quoteo(post=1929105:date=Apr 24 2012, 04:28 AM:name=player)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (player @ Apr 24 2012, 04:28 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1929105"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Glad we're all on top of the important stuff.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They're working on the game rather than replying to your sarcastic comments.
I for one, look forward to welcoming our female commanders.
For those who didn't know, they actually modelled a female marine a while ago: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40saY4AOcmk&t=1m58s" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40saY4AOcmk&t=1m58s</a>
<!--quoteo(post=1929096:date=Apr 24 2012, 04:19 AM:name=Strayan (NS2HD))--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Strayan (NS2HD) @ Apr 24 2012, 04:19 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1929096"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->... from the days when there were reasonable technical reasons for only including characters of the gender of the most likely audience<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> We still have those though; it takes <i>time</i> to model and animate and etc, which UWE doesn't have a lot of.
<!--quoteo(post=1928984:date=Apr 23 2012, 10:52 PM:name=inveigle)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (inveigle @ Apr 23 2012, 10:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1928984"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Sign my petition to keep trans-genders on the frontlines. It looks exactly the same as the other petitions, and all the same people have signed it (twice), but all of the words are politically correct and ran by three multi-cultural focus groups and a assembly of over-achieving primates in unitards.
It will have an addendum as well to bail out the banks in the future.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where do I sign? Do you also speak for pre-op ladyboy twinks and hermaphrodites?
<!--quoteo(post=1928995:date=Apr 23 2012, 11:02 PM:name=Imbalanxd)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Imbalanxd @ Apr 23 2012, 11:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1928995"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I meant it in more of a conceptual way, rather than practically relating directly to NS2. Why do people want to add female models to games? It makes perfect sense in more character driven games, but in anonymous shooters I just don't get it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ever played Unreal Tournament or Quake? It was very nice to chose the top-hatted clown with Kizz-makeup over the bulky grunt Juggernaut or the psychopathic cheerleader chick. Identification with the character you play can increase the immersion and bonding with the game.
<!--quoteo(post=1929011:date=Apr 23 2012, 11:20 PM:name=Bicsum)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bicsum @ Apr 23 2012, 11:20 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1929011"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I could imagine the female marine like her:
[picture of M. Rodriguez in Aliens]
Make sure to add a quote from Ripley as taunt.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"Who do I have to ###### to get off this ship?"
<!--quoteo(post=1929098:date=Apr 24 2012, 04:22 AM:name=hapro)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hapro @ Apr 24 2012, 04:22 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1929098"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just add a visor over the marine faces (that's where the HUD is displayed, right?), and now all the characters are androgynous! Problem solved and no time wasted making new models and animations.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed, genderless would be the ideal solution if you can't afford to spend time on customization. I would also think that this would be the most realistic scenario for the far future, singularity etc.
<!--quoteo(post=1929096:date=Apr 24 2012, 04:19 AM:name=Strayan (NS2HD))--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Strayan (NS2HD) @ Apr 24 2012, 04:19 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1929096"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->OP, absolutely, you are welcome to email me to get in touch at hugh@unknownworlds.com.
In most video games, half the population is forced to play as a character that does not accurately represent their gender. That is<i> not good enough</i>. This is the 21st century.
The idea that all-male models accurately represent science fiction fighting forces is absolutely ridiculous. Right now, in the year 2012, women may fight as front-line infantry soldiers in many militarises around the world, including that of my home.
More importantly, the idea that there are no female NS2 players is equally ridiculous. Some female players might find it offensive that they cannot choose a female character. Some might be quietly resigned. Others might not care. It is not my place, or anyones place, to make a judgement about what the female playerbase feels. Instead, we should all want to push to create a game that provides a fundamental choice about one's avatar - our online representative image of self - and does not force people to play as an avatar that they feel does not represent them.
All-male character selection is a chauvinistic, paternalistic hangover from the days when there were reasonable technical reasons for only including characters of the gender of the most likely audience. Those days are over.
Right now at UWE, we are committed to bringing the female marine model to the game. Unfortunately, there are technical challenges to doing so quickly, chief among them updating the model and labour time available to animate her. We can't give a timeframe for when she will arrive. But she will arrive, and when she does it will a moment that we can all be very proud of, as an inclusive, welcoming community.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm willing to bet that their are no women from any country currently on the frontlines. Sure, some non entities may <i>allow</i> it, but that doesn't mean its actually put into practice.
But, who am I to discourage variety in a game. If UWE so desperately want to cater to all who play their games, then I suppose that is a noble cause. I personally will play as an Asian female, yellow fever and all that. When I get bored of that I will switch to the black marine so I run faster.
<!--quoteo(post=1929233:date=Apr 24 2012, 08:24 AM:name=Imbalanxd)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Imbalanxd @ Apr 24 2012, 08:24 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1929233"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm willing to bet that their are no women from any country currently on the frontlines.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> The only reason that could even be remotely true is due to the lack of well-documented official "front lines" in this day and age. Over half of the developed countries of the world have charters or stipulations allowing servicewomen to serve in front-line conditions, should they arise.
<!--quoteo(post=1929238:date=Apr 24 2012, 03:41 PM:name=Techercizer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Techercizer @ Apr 24 2012, 03:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1929238"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The only reason that could even be remotely true is due to the lack of well-documented official "front lines" in this day and age. Over half of the developed countries of the world have charters or stipulations allowing servicewomen to serve in front-line conditions, should they arise.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I should rather say front line combat roles. And yes, many countries do allow it, but the ones who are in actual conflicts do not.
<!--quoteo(post=1929241:date=Apr 24 2012, 11:48 PM:name=Imbalanxd)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Imbalanxd @ Apr 24 2012, 11:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1929241"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, I should rather say front line combat roles. And yes, many countries do allow it, but the ones who are in actual conflicts do not.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not sure if I'm taking bait here, but you realise that Australia is a real country and has fought alongside the US in almost every major 'actual' conflict since 1914, including Iraq/Afghanistan? And that it now makes absolutely no distinction between male and female front line combat roles, with no restrictions?
It might seem off topic to reply to your presumption, but honestly it feels like there is an undercurrent in this thread of 'well women don't actually fight in real life, so having them in fighting games is silly.'
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm willing to bet that their are no women from any country currently on the frontlines. Sure, some non entities may allow it, but that doesn't mean its actually put into practice.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> <a href="http://www.npr.org/2012/02/13/146802589/foreign-policy-women-on-the-front-lines" target="_blank">http://www.npr.org/2012/02/13/146802589/fo...the-front-lines</a>
if you are thinking back in history, it took quite a while for women to enter domains of men. but i think the trend is obvious, so why would it not go on in the future?
that article has an interesting point i have not heard yet though, men showing protective-emotions for women which could influence their judgement etc. but that doesn't mean this will necessarily be the case in the distant future when society is quite different from now (probably quite equal for both genders, no matter which job they chose).
realism aside, isn't the alien-series one major source of impact to this game? charlie said so in an interview. ripley and rodriguez were quite badass, ripley even being the lead of the series. if most people here also like those movies, why would they perceive female marines as out of place?
haha all this arguing about gender in media and entertainments made me think of this rather hilarous example xD: <a href="http://www.stopavatarmovie.blogspot.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.stopavatarmovie.blogspot.co.uk/</a>
still cracks me up :P
The way I see it UWE got female unit planned. UWE will deliver female unit as planned :P lol
But on a more serious note
And about military on the front line in the UK (where i am) anyway woman are allowed only non-frontline combat roles due to the studies showing that it could endandger both sexes lives. (i know first ur thinking da fuq I did when i first read it but hear me out). The studies showed that because the innate connections that males have to females they could inadvertantly end up risking their lives and putting their squads lives in danger to save them and then there was the studies showing that if captured theres the whole rather horrific bussnis of the woman getting raped :S
I do see where the studies are comming from if it puts lives in danger then yea (of course its to no fault of the woman we are all victim to the ###### of evolution). BUT the counter argument is the woman know what their signing up for and if they want to fight let them..etc
But hey in a game both in movie style all the way :P
<!--quoteo(post=1929317:date=Apr 24 2012, 06:18 PM:name=AegisXI)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AegisXI @ Apr 24 2012, 06:18 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1929317"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->They need a map that has a kitchen in it lol...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was wondering how long it would be before somone said that :P
<!--quoteo(post=1929318:date=Apr 24 2012, 01:21 PM:name=Angry Hillbilly 2)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angry Hillbilly 2 @ Apr 24 2012, 01:21 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1929318"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I was wondering how long it would be before somone said that :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Someone has to cook all the vegetables growing in the biodome : )
This reminds me of a news article I read recently. To sum it up quickly... <b>Women in the military (US Military) Are more likely to get raped by their comrades than killed by their enemies.</b> <b>And if raped once, they are at a higher risk of being raped again.</b> <b>Those that are raped rarely report the incident and if they report they are usually ignored.</b>
And yes, women exist on the front lines. Men have oppressed women for thousands of years and only in the past several decades have they actually been getting some rights and respect.
I think its fair to say that women should be represented in this game that is set in the future as is that is the realistic path humanity is taking now. Realism aside, its the moral thing to do and judging from the female marine concept model, UWE is doing a fantastic job and NOT over-sexualizing them.
On another note, NS1 had black marines! The future suddenly became racist. lol jk
Would be nice to see black and asian and indian and polynesian and etc. marines. But obviously thats a huge load of unnecessary work. Imagine the kind of subversive political statement of equality that would promote though if NS2 embraced the idea of male and female models for all races. Could be headline worthy outside of the gaming community.
ANYWAY, just wanted to say my piece about men, to men: Stop being sexist, intentionally or unintentionally, you know who you are.
You don't even need to get into the whole "danger to women" issues to know women in combat roles is a bad idea. Men inherently do not trust women with certain tasks as they would trust another man. Some things they do trust them with; submarine or ship captain, sure, combat fighter pilot, no problem. However, front line combat roles are inherently physical. The training (I can only assume, having no first hand experience) is 90% physical. We know women are not physically equal to men, yet for some reason we don't think this would pose a problem?
As a race, we have been engaging in politics and business for centuries. Women are just beginning to make a stand in these fields, which is great, as they are just as competent as men are. As a race, we have been fighting wars for much, much longer, and woman are still not even noticeably present on the front lines. The fastest human in the world has also never been a woman, nor the strongest. Maybe you don't have to be sexist to simply acknowledge a human beings limitations.
<!--quoteo(post=1929330:date=Apr 24 2012, 12:53 PM:name=Imbalanxd)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Imbalanxd @ Apr 24 2012, 12:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1929330"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You don't even need to get into the whole "danger to women" issues to know women in combat roles is a bad idea. Men inherently do not trust women with certain tasks as they would trust another man. Some things they do trust them with; submarine or ship captain, sure, combat fighter pilot, no problem. However, front line combat roles are inherently physical. The training (I can only assume, having no first hand experience) is 90% physical. We know women are not physically equal to men, yet for some reason we don't think this would pose a problem?
As a race, we have been engaging in politics and business for centuries. Women are just beginning to make a stand in these fields, which is great, as they are just as competent as men are. As a race, we have been fighting wars for much, much longer, and woman are still not even noticeably present on the front lines. The fastest human in the world has also never been a woman, nor the strongest. Maybe you don't have to be sexist to simply acknowledge a human beings limitations.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not so much concerned about people pointing out human limitations, as they surely exist. I'm more concerned about men blatantly making sexist remarks, objectifying women, the endless bombardment of pressure to look sexy, the pigeon-holed role of sandwich maker that impressed into the minds of both men and women and so on.
All these things add up to an overall conscious and subconscious viewpoint of women as objects to be dressed, prettied, unheard and porked (whether they want it or not) And this mindset spills over into every aspect of humanity and human institution, including in the military.
So maybe its not just that women have limitations but that men also have limitations in their own regards and both genders should be using complimenting each other's weaknesses on and off the battlefield. Maybe then people will not think it odd that a female marine model is being programmed into a game set in the future with space marines and aliens, or that they would need a map to the kitchen or sandwich shooting gun or decreased health and running speed for a week every month or cliche female one-liners or enormous breasts and special extra-phallic guns.
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If there are just two styles (male/female) I guess this would be kinda meh, but I'm thinking way ahead here where there will be caucasian, african, asian, etc. skins and male/female versions of each. So you'd be able to quickly spot a certain player and maybe feel a little more personal for both sides when you recognize a certain player being awesome and, as a kharaa, hunting the player down based on looks. Tf2 does this similarly with the customization. You know your real enemy and friend at a glance.
Anatomically correct.
Anatomically correct.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What, you're not going to demand male skulks, gorges, lerks, and oni? Sexist...
=P
=P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm sorry, you are right.
I hereby demand well hung male kharaa aswell.
Anatomically correct.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How do you know that aliens have gender? :-P
Anatomically correct.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
GET OUTTA MAI HEAD!!!!!! :)
(gorge vag-slide)
yup..
you can't un-think it....
"wait ... there's no infestation here!... EEEWWWWWWW" aliens win...
They're working on the game rather than replying to your sarcastic comments.
I for one, look forward to welcoming our female commanders.
We still have those though; it takes <i>time</i> to model and animate and etc, which UWE doesn't have a lot of.
Because it would be SEXIST if not! People shouldnt be forced to play a genderless creature if they indeed do have a gender!
<img src="http://naturalselection.de/images/smilies/ednk/icon_ups.gif" border="0" class="linked-image" />
It will have an addendum as well to bail out the banks in the future.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Where do I sign?
Do you also speak for pre-op ladyboy twinks and hermaphrodites?
<!--quoteo(post=1928995:date=Apr 23 2012, 11:02 PM:name=Imbalanxd)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Imbalanxd @ Apr 23 2012, 11:02 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1928995"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I meant it in more of a conceptual way, rather than practically relating directly to NS2. Why do people want to add female models to games? It makes perfect sense in more character driven games, but in anonymous shooters I just don't get it.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ever played Unreal Tournament or Quake? It was very nice to chose the top-hatted clown with Kizz-makeup over the bulky grunt Juggernaut or the psychopathic cheerleader chick.
Identification with the character you play can increase the immersion and bonding with the game.
<!--quoteo(post=1929011:date=Apr 23 2012, 11:20 PM:name=Bicsum)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bicsum @ Apr 23 2012, 11:20 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1929011"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I could imagine the female marine like her:
[picture of M. Rodriguez in Aliens]
Make sure to add a quote from Ripley as taunt.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
"Who do I have to ###### to get off this ship?"
<!--quoteo(post=1929098:date=Apr 24 2012, 04:22 AM:name=hapro)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hapro @ Apr 24 2012, 04:22 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1929098"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just add a visor over the marine faces (that's where the HUD is displayed, right?), and now all the characters are androgynous! Problem solved and no time wasted making new models and animations.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agreed, genderless would be the ideal solution if you can't afford to spend time on customization. I would also think that this would be the most realistic scenario for the far future, singularity etc.
In NS2 the alien models are very male in terms how how we perceive male and female.
An option to be a female 'rine could be paid DLC, IMO.
In most video games, half the population is forced to play as a character that does not accurately represent their gender. That is<i> not good enough</i>. This is the 21st century.
The idea that all-male models accurately represent science fiction fighting forces is absolutely ridiculous. Right now, in the year 2012, women may fight as front-line infantry soldiers in many militarises around the world, including that of my home.
More importantly, the idea that there are no female NS2 players is equally ridiculous. Some female players might find it offensive that they cannot choose a female character. Some might be quietly resigned. Others might not care. It is not my place, or anyones place, to make a judgement about what the female playerbase feels. Instead, we should all want to push to create a game that provides a fundamental choice about one's avatar - our online representative image of self - and does not force people to play as an avatar that they feel does not represent them.
All-male character selection is a chauvinistic, paternalistic hangover from the days when there were reasonable technical reasons for only including characters of the gender of the most likely audience. Those days are over.
Right now at UWE, we are committed to bringing the female marine model to the game. Unfortunately, there are technical challenges to doing so quickly, chief among them updating the model and labour time available to animate her. We can't give a timeframe for when she will arrive. But she will arrive, and when she does it will a moment that we can all be very proud of, as an inclusive, welcoming community.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Great post :)
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/GyNMB.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
But, who am I to discourage variety in a game. If UWE so desperately want to cater to all who play their games, then I suppose that is a noble cause. I personally will play as an Asian female, yellow fever and all that. When I get bored of that I will switch to the black marine so I run faster.
The only reason that could even be remotely true is due to the lack of well-documented official "front lines" in this day and age. Over half of the developed countries of the world have charters or stipulations allowing servicewomen to serve in front-line conditions, should they arise.
Well, I should rather say front line combat roles. And yes, many countries do allow it, but the ones who are in actual conflicts do not.
I'm not sure if I'm taking bait here, but you realise that Australia is a real country and has fought alongside the US in almost every major 'actual' conflict since 1914, including Iraq/Afghanistan? And that it now makes absolutely no distinction between male and female front line combat roles, with no restrictions?
It might seem off topic to reply to your presumption, but honestly it feels like there is an undercurrent in this thread of 'well women don't actually fight in real life, so having them in fighting games is silly.'
You can tell this gets me all fired up!
<a href="http://www.npr.org/2012/02/13/146802589/foreign-policy-women-on-the-front-lines" target="_blank">http://www.npr.org/2012/02/13/146802589/fo...the-front-lines</a>
that article has an interesting point i have not heard yet though, men showing protective-emotions for women which could influence their judgement etc. but that doesn't mean this will necessarily be the case in the distant future when society is quite different from now (probably quite equal for both genders, no matter which job they chose).
realism aside, isn't the alien-series one major source of impact to this game? charlie said so in an interview. ripley and rodriguez were quite badass, ripley even being the lead of the series. if most people here also like those movies, why would they perceive female marines as out of place?
still cracks me up :P
The way I see it UWE got female unit planned. UWE will deliver female unit as planned :P lol
But on a more serious note
And about military on the front line in the UK (where i am) anyway woman are allowed only non-frontline combat roles due to the studies showing that it could endandger both sexes lives. (i know first ur thinking da fuq I did when i first read it but hear me out). The studies showed that because the innate connections that males have to females they could inadvertantly end up risking their lives and putting their squads lives in danger to save them and then there was the studies showing that if captured theres the whole rather horrific bussnis of the woman getting raped :S
I do see where the studies are comming from if it puts lives in danger then yea (of course its to no fault of the woman we are all victim to the ###### of evolution). BUT the counter argument is the woman know what their signing up for and if they want to fight let them..etc
But hey in a game both in movie style all the way :P
NOW THATS SOMETHING YOU DON'T HAVE EVERYDAY, THANK GAWD
GOT YOUR AS- I MEAN BACK
MAH SHRINK SAYS I NEED AN OUTLIT FOR MY TIME OF MONTH
I was wondering how long it would be before somone said that :P
Someone has to cook all the vegetables growing in the biodome : )
<b>Women in the military (US Military) Are more likely to get raped by their comrades than killed by their enemies.</b>
<b>And if raped once, they are at a higher risk of being raped again.</b>
<b>Those that are raped rarely report the incident and if they report they are usually ignored.</b>
And yes, women exist on the front lines.
Men have oppressed women for thousands of years and only in the past several decades have they actually been getting some rights and respect.
I think its fair to say that women should be represented in this game that is set in the future as is that is the realistic path humanity is taking now.
Realism aside, its the moral thing to do and judging from the female marine concept model, UWE is doing a fantastic job and NOT over-sexualizing them.
On another note, NS1 had black marines!
The future suddenly became racist. lol jk
Would be nice to see black and asian and indian and polynesian and etc. marines. But obviously thats a huge load of unnecessary work.
Imagine the kind of subversive political statement of equality that would promote though if NS2 embraced the idea of male and female models for all races.
Could be headline worthy outside of the gaming community.
ANYWAY, just wanted to say my piece about men, to men:
Stop being sexist, intentionally or unintentionally, you know who you are.
As a race, we have been engaging in politics and business for centuries. Women are just beginning to make a stand in these fields, which is great, as they are just as competent as men are. As a race, we have been fighting wars for much, much longer, and woman are still not even noticeably present on the front lines. The fastest human in the world has also never been a woman, nor the strongest. Maybe you don't have to be sexist to simply acknowledge a human beings limitations.
As a race, we have been engaging in politics and business for centuries. Women are just beginning to make a stand in these fields, which is great, as they are just as competent as men are. As a race, we have been fighting wars for much, much longer, and woman are still not even noticeably present on the front lines. The fastest human in the world has also never been a woman, nor the strongest. Maybe you don't have to be sexist to simply acknowledge a human beings limitations.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not so much concerned about people pointing out human limitations, as they surely exist.
I'm more concerned about men blatantly making sexist remarks, objectifying women, the endless bombardment of pressure to look sexy, the pigeon-holed role of sandwich maker that impressed into the minds of both men and women and so on.
All these things add up to an overall conscious and subconscious viewpoint of women as objects to be dressed, prettied, unheard and porked (whether they want it or not)
And this mindset spills over into every aspect of humanity and human institution, including in the military.
So maybe its not just that women have limitations but that men also have limitations in their own regards and both genders should be using complimenting each other's weaknesses on and off the battlefield.
Maybe then people will not think it odd that a female marine model is being programmed into a game set in the future with space marines and aliens, or that they would need a map to the kitchen or sandwich shooting gun or decreased health and running speed for a week every month or cliche female one-liners or enormous breasts and special extra-phallic guns.