If someone other than NS2HD will organize the event, he should let us know this as soon as possible. The longer we wait, more likely it will be that people have rescheduled and won't be able to make it into the games which will cause an even bigger mess. I hope NS2HD would consider reversing his decision (and very soon so we could do this on schedule) even if it means no casting of the games etc. Cancelling the event this close to the first games might have a negative effect on the competitive scene since this was the only event we had to look forward into. It also doesn't really make us trust the next event could be organized properly.
Cancelling two days before the tournament start due to circumstances that have been known probably for a week or two at the very least definitely isn't the way to go.
I have to say I wasn't necessarily expecting that much success for the tournament either, but the way this is done is quite rude towards anyone actually planning to participate in the tournament. As usual with this kind of stuff, the people who cared about the tournament are the ones getting the worst of this. I can definitely see why Fana is annoyed even if I'm not personally that much shocked or disappointed.
ZeikkoJoin Date: 2007-12-16Member: 63179Members, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester
After thinking about this for a while i having hard time to prevent me unleashing my anger about the situation after all the hours spent on practising, talking about strategies, improving our play, having practice games with Duplex, Inversion, HBZ, Cyd, Darkside and others, buying new computer to perform better, postponing and canceling other stuff and events. I understand why NS2HD canceled/postponed the tournament. But doing it this late makes me angry. <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If someone other than NS2HD will organize the event, he should let us know this as soon as possible. The longer we wait, more likely it will be that people have rescheduled and won't be able to make it into the games which will cause an even bigger mess.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> You are absolutely right. I thought that I will wait for a couple of hours for the NS2HD's lengthy answer to see where this goes. If he is not up for organizing the tournament without the prize money or casting of all the matches I think I'll see if team leaders are still up for playing and trying to organize this myself. Of course the drop rate will be even bigger now, but i guess it is still worth trying. Let's see what will happen.
I think it's a bit unfair on the teams participating to cancel the tournament 24 hours before hand. I had a feeling that perhaps it would be delayed by another week but I guess NS2HD is going to visit UWE again in December or something and won't be able to cast then.
I agree with the others that you should just host the tournament anyway, without any prize money. I don't understand why you would be afraid to cast some of the games in case they don't represent what NS2 is in a months time. You can host the "real" tournament then. You already have plenty of videos showing NS2 from previous builds, I don't think a few more would do any harm. If you really don't want to cast them then just host the tournament anyway without any videos.
I think events like this are important for the community. I know that a lot of the teams and players became active because they wanted to play in this event. It encouraged teams to practice against each other, which was awesome because playing in PCWs is a lot more fun. Hopefully the event can go ahead somehow and we can have more in the future or else I see many teams going inactive.
<!--quoteo(post=1883463:date=Nov 3 2011, 04:10 PM:name=Wilson)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wilson @ Nov 3 2011, 04:10 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1883463"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I had a feeling that perhaps it would be delayed by another week but I guess NS2HD is going to visit UWE again in December or something and won't be able to cast then.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Haha, oh please no. Blowing off the tournament to go visit UWE and play ping-pong with Cleveland, you're just rubbing salt in the wounds now mate.
swalkSay hello to my little friend.Join Date: 2011-01-20Member: 78384Members, Squad Five Blue
edited November 2011
I do not appreciate this decision either. It is really not fair for the teams and players who have been preparing for this in months. What this decision also have potential of doing; making teams fold or go inactive. This could end up being a big blow for the small competetive community the beta currently have. I really don't agree with the reasoning behind it, you have been showing off NS2 for a long time, showing more doesn't hurt. Also remember that you can hold other tournaments later on with a more feature complete/finished NS2.
In my opinion we should just abandon the prizes and castings and go ahead with the tournament with the teams that still want to participate. That might reduce the chance of killing the few clans that actually exists.
QuovatisTeam InversionJoin Date: 2010-01-26Member: 70321Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
It was pretty obvious 188 wouldn't be out at this time 2 weeks ago. It should have been canceled then, not 24 hours before. We didn't have a good set of rules anyway, so I hope this gives everyone more time to come up with fair rules that make sense.
Anyway, hope someone else can organize a tournament regardless of the build. Everyone has their teams together now that it's a shame we won't be playing. It should not be for money at this stage.
<!--quoteo(post=1883472:date=Nov 3 2011, 04:48 PM:name=Quovatis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Quovatis @ Nov 3 2011, 04:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1883472"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It was pretty obvious 188 wouldn't be out at this time 2 weeks ago. It should have been canceled then, not 24 hours before. We didn't have a good set of rules anyway, so I hope this gives everyone more time to come up with fair rules that make sense.
Anyway, hope someone else can organize a tournament regardless of the build. Everyone has their teams together now that it's a shame we won't be playing. It should not be for money at this stage.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, if most of the teams would like to play, I can organise a competition like this without prizes. As you know I am leading some gamer communities, I have a cup organiser website also, which can be used to this cup.
On this site we organise League of Legends matches at the moment but any other games can be played as well:)
What do you think?
UPDATE: Cup is set, can be played anytime hehe <a href="http://cup.moba-hungary.hu/index.php?site=cups&action=details&cupID=27" target="_blank">http://cup.moba-hungary.hu/index.php?site=...ls&cupID=27</a>
Hugh, I have to formally respond to this as it is very upsetting the terms in which you have chose to cancel the tournament on. Using build 188 as the reason for cancellation is one of the worse possible excuses you could have succumbed too. You could of lied and said "To many teams dropped out" or "Something personal happened eliminating my ability to cast" but to use 188 as the excuse when no build has a guaranteed due date is just distasteful. You put a lot of work into this tournament and managed to help create an organized community in NS2 all on your own. I am constantly getting this message from the PT(non-organized players) and UWE that you are holding off for next year and a newer build with better features? What ever happened to this not being about a massive publicity stunt and being more focused on the organized NS2 community?
Do you remember this in your own rule(s)? "Rounds are played in whatever Build is current for the week the round is being played in." That is a direct quote from your rules.
Also refer to <b>Section 8</b> of your document. I am hearing from UWE staff that one of the causes for your cancellation was due to no anti-cheat being present. We were all very aware that their isn't an anti-cheat currently supported in NS2. We've accepted that and agreed to participate with the risk of that being present. That is not an excuse but a cop-out.
Hugh, I would of accepted you cancelling it for any other reason than what you choose. NS2 is in a snail pace in terms of development, to post pone it on the basis of your waiting for more features, that is asking for a start date that no one knows when will come. You had a date set, you set your rules on the basis of it having no anti-cheat and being on WHATEVER build is current at the time, we accepted... So should you.
ArgathorJoin Date: 2011-07-18Member: 110942Members, Squad Five Blue
edited November 2011
<!--quoteo(post=1883480:date=Nov 3 2011, 05:33 PM:name=vizionz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vizionz @ Nov 3 2011, 05:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1883480"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think vizionz summed up a lot of our feelings perfectly.
This is a real shame. I'm not quite sure why people keep talking about cheating, your ###### morons there are no cheats. All we did was complain about this tournament since its inception did we expect a different result? There were going to be many problems with this tournament in its current state of rules and expectations of no-shows no doubt. None the less it would have been really fun ^^ :( Bleh day...
On a side note, this was an extremely ambitious project that was riddled with many factors and errors, little governance, and only 1 man. So thanks for trying Hugh, looking forward to when it does finally come around, revamped.
fanaticThis post has been edited.Join Date: 2003-07-23Member: 18377Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
edited November 2011
I have a few ideas if the tournament is in fact canceled and a few other people here have expressed ideas about replacement tournaments too, so I'm sure we'll end up having a tournament one way or the other.
Hoping it doesn't come to that however, hoping NS2HD will man up and see this through.
Well, whatever you're gonna do, do it quick, as we're moving closer to the holidays and things will soon start to disintegrate around here. Perhaps an opportune time for ENSL to step in...
<!--quoteo(post=1883489:date=Nov 3 2011, 12:51 PM:name=player)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (player @ Nov 3 2011, 12:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1883489"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, whatever you're gonna do, do it quick, as we're moving closer to the holidays and things will soon start to disintegrate around here. Perhaps an opportune time for ENSL to step in...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> +1?
I think we should play on the scheduled days, NS2HD or not. We have arranged our schedules so that we can play, organizing everything again is just too much extra work. I can't organize the whole thing but I can try to cast as many games as possible.
<!--quoteo(post=1883498:date=Nov 3 2011, 01:15 PM:name=ale')--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ale' @ Nov 3 2011, 01:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1883498"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think we should play on the scheduled days, NS2HD or not. We have arranged our schedules so that we can play, organizing everything again is just too much extra work. I can't organize the whole thing but I can try to cast as many games as possible.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree. and I believe Hugh has made his choice on his decision regarding the tournament (He created a video for it). NS2HD seems to have been more focused on publicity and helping UWE get their product out there and not about the original intent of the tournament, giving the community something to look forward too (sour, I know). I think ENSL should take it, pick it up, polish it a bit and lets start Season 1 of ENSL within the next 2 weeks. You have my support 100% Fana. The community needs this really bad right now. You can only have patience for so long...
No prize pool, just the privileged to participate is something organized outside of scrims. Let the well known and well respected ENSL be the NSA-I tournament of NS1 for NS2. Get er done!
QuovatisTeam InversionJoin Date: 2010-01-26Member: 70321Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
edited November 2011
Yeah, the ideal tournament would be to create the brackets, then let the teams figure out when to play each other within a 1-2 week timeframe. If they play 5 rounds and the aliens always win, you keep playing like the old NS1 tournaments (I remember some going to 9+ rounds). No coin flips, no money, just pure NS mayhem. Would Hugh be willing to give the contact info for all the teams to someone else?
swalkSay hello to my little friend.Join Date: 2011-01-20Member: 78384Members, Squad Five Blue
<!--quoteo(post=1883489:date=Nov 3 2011, 06:51 PM:name=player)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (player @ Nov 3 2011, 06:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1883489"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, whatever you're gonna do, do it quick, as we're moving closer to the holidays and things will soon start to disintegrate around here. Perhaps an opportune time for ENSL to step in...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> +1 Seems unlikely though, as they don't seem to have much interest in NS2, yet.
<!--quoteo(post=1883503:date=Nov 3 2011, 08:39 PM:name=Quovatis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Quovatis @ Nov 3 2011, 08:39 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1883503"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, the ideal tournament would be to create the brackets, then let the teams figure out when to play each other within a 1-2 week timeframe. If they play 5 rounds and the aliens always win, you keep playing like the old NS1 tournaments (I remember some going to 9+ rounds). No coin flips, no money, just pure NS mayhem.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not a bad idea if we can't play with the original schedule. Just make sure the tournament will be over before the holidays. This wouldn't require much organization, someone would just make sure the teams know when they should play and against who and let them decide the time and server. Cast the games if you like, but it's not necessary.
I also think the tournament should go on without NS2HD. There's really no reason not to, with the schedule having already been made and all. Might as well make use of it.
Still, it seems odd to me that NS2HD would cancel the tournament because build 187 isn't representative of future NS2 -- and doesn't want newcomers to see them and get a bad impression -- yet he still offers to film the matches and put them online if anyone plays. Isn't that the same thing?
That said, I don't think the community's scathing criticism of the tournament should be ignored. First everyone was ###### about how unbalanced and unfair the tournament was going to be, and as soon as it is cancelled everyone's ###### about how they want their precious tournament back. So enough with the bashing of NS2HD. If you want a tournament -- go head and play anyway. If not -- do something more productive than complain.
fanaticThis post has been edited.Join Date: 2003-07-23Member: 18377Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
<!--quoteo(post=1883506:date=Nov 3 2011, 07:49 PM:name=Egad!)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Egad! @ Nov 3 2011, 07:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1883506"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->That said, I don't think the community's scathing criticism of the tournament should be ignored. First everyone was ###### about how unbalanced and unfair the tournament was going to be, and as soon as it is cancelled everyone's ###### about how they want their precious tournament back. So enough with the bashing of NS2HD. If you want a tournament -- go head and play anyway. If not -- do something more productive than complain.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> The hell are you on about? Talking about possible problems and trying to find solutions for them should be encouraged. It certainly isn't ###### and even if it was, that's no reason to validate canceling a tournament. The first requirement for being a good tournament host is thick skin. Saying that everybody participating in the tournament should take the blame for the odd troll or loon that posts flames is even more ridiculous. A lot of people were really excited about this tournament and NS2HD dodging his responsibility for that simply by saying "hey I don't think this is such a great idea right now after all" is nothing short of scandalous.
I'm currently stuck doing some work, but I'll start working on a quick tournament for this weekend in a few hours (I have experience arranging tournaments, so don't worry about that). If nobody's beat me to the punch by then, I will be sending out invites to certain teams later tonight.
ScardyBobScardyBobJoin Date: 2009-11-25Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
<!--quoteo(post=1883503:date=Nov 3 2011, 11:39 AM:name=Quovatis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Quovatis @ Nov 3 2011, 11:39 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1883503"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah, the ideal tournament would be to create the brackets, then let the teams figure out when to play each other within a 1-2 week timeframe. If they play 5 rounds and the aliens always win, you keep playing like the old NS1 tournaments (I remember some going to 9+ rounds). No coin flips, no money, just pure NS mayhem. Would Hugh be willing to give the contact info for all the teams to someone else?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personally, I'd rather see an NS2 season first, where something like 10 teams sign up and over the course of 2 months, have to play all of the other teams at least once. The problem with an elimination tournament is that most of the teams will only get to play one or two matches and, because we have no basis for doing bracket seeding, its not likely we will have the two best NS2 teams playing in the final.
dePARAJoin Date: 2011-04-29Member: 96321Members, Squad Five Blue
I have no problems that the tournament is rescheduled. 1.87 has aweful performance and it isnt really funny to play this build in my opinion. The argument that the teams quit without the tournament is really strange i think. What do the teams after the tournament? Start another one and then again and again?
The decision to indefinitely postpone is not one that I take likely. The person most disappointing by this is me. The countless hours I've spent trying to pull all this together weigh heavily on my mind.
But is has not all been for nothing. New teams have sprung up, new connections have been made, and I truly believe the community is a richer place than before I announced this optimistic exercise many months ago.
The reasoning is simple, but quite informed. This tournament would have become a reference point for NS2. Some of you may remember NS2HD[41], a video I put out just before Beta release. You may be surprised to learn that despite being ancient history, it is one of the most viewed and commented videos even to this day. People watch it and genuinely believe that is the state of NS2 right now.
I don't want the same to happen with the 40 or so tournament matches that would have been produced. 187 is not where NS2 truly is right now. Too much has changed, too much is imminent. There are elements that have taken months to produce that are about to appear. And as I alluded in my video, there is a special event happening on December 4 that means I cannot delay.
Some posts have spoken of organising replacements, getting ENSL going, and other such. I would throw the (meagre) weight of the NS2HD channel behind such efforts 100%. x-cid: 0
Any team that still wishes to play this weekend, hit me up at NS2HD@live.com.au, and I will cast. I am currently exchanging messages with many teams that still want to play.
This is but a speed bump lads. Nothing is going to stop this run - It is picking up speed, and in three months we will all look back and laugh at this moment.
SewlekThe programmer previously known as SchimmelJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16247Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Developer
<!--quoteo(post=1883515:date=Nov 3 2011, 03:46 PM:name=dePARA)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dePARA @ Nov 3 2011, 03:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1883515"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have no problems that the tournament is rescheduled. 1.87 has aweful performance and it isnt really funny to play this build in my opinion. ...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
*looking back at 185* :)
no, you are right, it can and will be better. justed wanted to point out how excited i was when playing 186/187 and seen how smooth everything was compared to 185. but when i start an optimized shooter, and see how smooth everythung runs there, i clearly see what you mean :D
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I have to say I wasn't necessarily expecting that much success for the tournament either, but the way this is done is quite rude towards anyone actually planning to participate in the tournament. As usual with this kind of stuff, the people who cared about the tournament are the ones getting the worst of this. I can definitely see why Fana is annoyed even if I'm not personally that much shocked or disappointed.
I understand why NS2HD canceled/postponed the tournament. But doing it this late makes me angry.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If someone other than NS2HD will organize the event, he should let us know this as soon as possible. The longer we wait, more likely it will be that people have rescheduled and won't be able to make it into the games which will cause an even bigger mess.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are absolutely right.
I thought that I will wait for a couple of hours for the NS2HD's lengthy answer to see where this goes. If he is not up for organizing the tournament without the prize money or casting of all the matches I think I'll see if team leaders are still up for playing and trying to organize this myself. Of course the drop rate will be even bigger now, but i guess it is still worth trying.
Let's see what will happen.
I agree with the others that you should just host the tournament anyway, without any prize money. I don't understand why you would be afraid to cast some of the games in case they don't represent what NS2 is in a months time. You can host the "real" tournament then. You already have plenty of videos showing NS2 from previous builds, I don't think a few more would do any harm. If you really don't want to cast them then just host the tournament anyway without any videos.
I think events like this are important for the community. I know that a lot of the teams and players became active because they wanted to play in this event. It encouraged teams to practice against each other, which was awesome because playing in PCWs is a lot more fun. Hopefully the event can go ahead somehow and we can have more in the future or else I see many teams going inactive.
Haha, oh please no. Blowing off the tournament to go visit UWE and play ping-pong with Cleveland, you're just rubbing salt in the wounds now mate.
What this decision also have potential of doing; making teams fold or go inactive.
This could end up being a big blow for the small competetive community the beta currently have.
I really don't agree with the reasoning behind it, you have been showing off NS2 for a long time, showing more doesn't hurt.
Also remember that you can hold other tournaments later on with a more feature complete/finished NS2.
In my opinion we should just abandon the prizes and castings and go ahead with the tournament with the teams that still want to participate.
That might reduce the chance of killing the few clans that actually exists.
Anyway, hope someone else can organize a tournament regardless of the build. Everyone has their teams together now that it's a shame we won't be playing. It should not be for money at this stage.
Anyway, hope someone else can organize a tournament regardless of the build. Everyone has their teams together now that it's a shame we won't be playing. It should not be for money at this stage.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, if most of the teams would like to play, I can organise a competition like this without prizes. As you know I am leading some gamer communities, I have a cup organiser website also, which can be used to this cup.
<a href="http://cup.moba-hungary.hu/" target="_blank">http://cup.moba-hungary.hu/</a>
On this site we organise League of Legends matches at the moment but any other games can be played as well:)
What do you think?
UPDATE: Cup is set, can be played anytime hehe
<a href="http://cup.moba-hungary.hu/index.php?site=cups&action=details&cupID=27" target="_blank">http://cup.moba-hungary.hu/index.php?site=...ls&cupID=27</a>
I have to formally respond to this as it is very upsetting the terms in which you have chose to cancel the tournament on. Using build 188 as the reason for cancellation is one of the worse possible excuses you could have succumbed too. You could of lied and said "To many teams dropped out" or "Something personal happened eliminating my ability to cast" but to use 188 as the excuse when no build has a guaranteed due date is just distasteful. You put a lot of work into this tournament and managed to help create an organized community in NS2 all on your own. I am constantly getting this message from the PT(non-organized players) and UWE that you are holding off for next year and a newer build with better features? What ever happened to this not being about a massive publicity stunt and being more focused on the organized NS2 community?
Do you remember this in your own rule(s)?
"Rounds are played in whatever Build is current for the week the round is being played in."
That is a direct quote from your rules.
Also refer to <b>Section 8</b> of your document. I am hearing from UWE staff that one of the causes for your cancellation was due to no anti-cheat being present. We were all very aware that their isn't an anti-cheat currently supported in NS2. We've accepted that and agreed to participate with the risk of that being present. That is not an excuse but a cop-out.
Hugh, I would of accepted you cancelling it for any other reason than what you choose. NS2 is in a snail pace in terms of development, to post pone it on the basis of your waiting for more features, that is asking for a start date that no one knows when will come. You had a date set, you set your rules on the basis of it having no anti-cheat and being on WHATEVER build is current at the time, we accepted... So should you.
Very upsetting...
I think vizionz summed up a lot of our feelings perfectly.
Then again it's not the end of the word. There will be other tournaments in the future.
Then again this is easy to say for me. I'm not an organized player and not committed here.
I'm not quite sure why people keep talking about cheating, your ###### morons there are no cheats.
All we did was complain about this tournament since its inception did we expect a different result?
There were going to be many problems with this tournament in its current state of rules and expectations of no-shows no doubt.
None the less it would have been really fun ^^ :(
Bleh day...
On a side note, this was an extremely ambitious project that was riddled with many factors and errors, little governance, and only 1 man.
So thanks for trying Hugh, looking forward to when it does finally come around, revamped.
Hoping it doesn't come to that however, hoping NS2HD will man up and see this through.
+1?
I agree. and I believe Hugh has made his choice on his decision regarding the tournament (He created a video for it). NS2HD seems to have been more focused on publicity and helping UWE get their product out there and not about the original intent of the tournament, giving the community something to look forward too (sour, I know). I think ENSL should take it, pick it up, polish it a bit and lets start Season 1 of ENSL within the next 2 weeks. You have my support 100% Fana. The community needs this really bad right now. You can only have patience for so long...
No prize pool, just the privileged to participate is something organized outside of scrims. Let the well known and well respected ENSL be the NSA-I tournament of NS1 for NS2. Get er done!
+1
Seems unlikely though, as they don't seem to have much interest in NS2, yet.
Not a bad idea if we can't play with the original schedule. Just make sure the tournament will be over before the holidays. This wouldn't require much organization, someone would just make sure the teams know when they should play and against who and let them decide the time and server. Cast the games if you like, but it's not necessary.
Still, it seems odd to me that NS2HD would cancel the tournament because build 187 isn't representative of future NS2 -- and doesn't want newcomers to see them and get a bad impression -- yet he still offers to film the matches and put them online if anyone plays. Isn't that the same thing?
That said, I don't think the community's scathing criticism of the tournament should be ignored. First everyone was ###### about how unbalanced and unfair the tournament was going to be, and as soon as it is cancelled everyone's ###### about how they want their precious tournament back. So enough with the bashing of NS2HD. If you want a tournament -- go head and play anyway. If not -- do something more productive than complain.
The hell are you on about? Talking about possible problems and trying to find solutions for them should be encouraged. It certainly isn't ###### and even if it was, that's no reason to validate canceling a tournament. The first requirement for being a good tournament host is thick skin. Saying that everybody participating in the tournament should take the blame for the odd troll or loon that posts flames is even more ridiculous. A lot of people were really excited about this tournament and NS2HD dodging his responsibility for that simply by saying "hey I don't think this is such a great idea right now after all" is nothing short of scandalous.
I'm currently stuck doing some work, but I'll start working on a quick tournament for this weekend in a few hours (I have experience arranging tournaments, so don't worry about that). If nobody's beat me to the punch by then, I will be sending out invites to certain teams later tonight.
Personally, I'd rather see an NS2 season first, where something like 10 teams sign up and over the course of 2 months, have to play all of the other teams at least once. The problem with an elimination tournament is that most of the teams will only get to play one or two matches and, because we have no basis for doing bracket seeding, its not likely we will have the two best NS2 teams playing in the final.
The argument that the teams quit without the tournament is really strange i think.
What do the teams after the tournament? Start another one and then again and again?
Yes, the video is up and it contains bad news.
The decision to indefinitely postpone is not one that I take likely. The person most disappointing by this is me. The countless hours I've spent trying to pull all this together weigh heavily on my mind.
But is has not all been for nothing. New teams have sprung up, new connections have been made, and I truly believe the community is a richer place than before I announced this optimistic exercise many months ago.
The reasoning is simple, but quite informed. This tournament would have become a reference point for NS2. Some of you may remember NS2HD[41], a video I put out just before Beta release. You may be surprised to learn that despite being ancient history, it is one of the most viewed and commented videos even to this day. People watch it and genuinely believe that is the state of NS2 right now.
I don't want the same to happen with the 40 or so tournament matches that would have been produced. 187 is not where NS2 truly is right now. Too much has changed, too much is imminent. There are elements that have taken months to produce that are about to appear. And as I alluded in my video, there is a special event happening on December 4 that means I cannot delay.
Some posts have spoken of organising replacements, getting ENSL going, and other such. I would throw the (meagre) weight of the NS2HD channel behind such efforts 100%.
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Any team that still wishes to play this weekend, hit me up at NS2HD@live.com.au, and I will cast. I am currently exchanging messages with many teams that still want to play.
This is but a speed bump lads. Nothing is going to stop this run - It is picking up speed, and in three months we will all look back and laugh at this moment.
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*looking back at 185* :)
no, you are right, it can and will be better. justed wanted to point out how excited i was when playing 186/187 and seen how smooth everything was compared to 185. but when i start an optimized shooter, and see how smooth everythung runs there, i clearly see what you mean :D