I can see this concern, and while it could lead to some funny situations where marines are chased by a team of robots trying to weld them, I guess it would be just as good to press use on them, to get welded. It's sort of the same as the armory did before.
A MAC can easily be taken out, so it still helps versus stalemates. Plus I also think the MAC shouldn't follow you around, it should just weld you when you're right next to it. (why press E?)
<!--quoteo(post=1955318:date=Jul 31 2012, 11:38 AM:name=LPC)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LPC @ Jul 31 2012, 11:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1955318"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->A MAC can easily be taken out, so it still helps versus stalemates. Plus I also think the MAC shouldn't follow you around, it should just weld you when you're right next to it. (why press E?)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>A</b> MAC can be relatively easily taken out yes, but it can also weld marines without them paying any attention to it, it's also cheaper than an armory (I think) and continues to function without power, it's also mobile so you can easily keep one with a squad of marines at all times. You can also build lots of them, and have good reasons to do so even ignoring their ability to weld marines.
If armory tanking is a problem, MAC welding would only exacerbate it, or at least not really help the problem, the only real effect I can see by taking it off the armory is adding more busy work involved in getting healed.
<!--quoteo(post=1955330:date=Jul 31 2012, 01:06 PM:name=LPC)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (LPC @ Jul 31 2012, 01:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1955330"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->well it's still a lot less work then relying on your team-mates to weld your armor.
(and armory armor-healing isn't comming back I believe, for reasons mentioned earlier in other threads)
p.s. lot's of MACs can easily be taken out be bile-bombs, MACs are really weak<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If gorges are bile bombing the base I don't think it massively matters what you have, you're doing something dreadfully wrong.
<!--quoteo(post=1955320:date=Jul 31 2012, 01:18 PM:name=Chris0132)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chris0132 @ Jul 31 2012, 01:18 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1955320"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b>A</b> MAC can be relatively easily taken out yes, but it can also weld marines without them paying any attention to it, it's also cheaper than an armory (I think) and continues to function without power, it's also mobile so you can easily keep one with a squad of marines at all times. You can also build lots of them, and have good reasons to do so even ignoring their ability to weld marines.
If armory tanking is a problem, MAC welding would only exacerbate it, or at least not really help the problem, the only real effect I can see by taking it off the armory is adding more busy work involved in getting healed.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm concerned on this too. But lets see how it plays before judging. It could be good or bad for balance.
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<!--quoteo(post=1955306:date=Jul 31 2012, 12:06 PM:name=Runteh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Runteh @ Jul 31 2012, 12:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1955306"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Auto welding MACs are a bad idea, and I bet the odds of it blocking and annoying players are going to be high.
Remember that the Marines range advantage could be seriously hampered by MACs flying around in your base, not just to weld you but also players near by.
The best solution would be to press 'use' on macs and for them to heal you..
I'd like it to work, but I have big doubts... this is where something like ranged welding could work better, like the Kham heal.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I believe that MACs following and welding marines could be decent, if coded well. Make MACs keep a certain minimum distance to a marine, welding distance or longer. (MACs won't block movement). Make MACs move 90 degrees from the angle they are taking friendly fire from. (Shoot it once and it moves). Stuff like that needs to go in if that approach is taken. Else, I will agree that press 'e' on MAC for a weld would be best solution.
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NS2 needs less player-to-AI interaction, not more.
MACs don't fulfill the purpose they were created for, and hardly serve a purpose at all these days, and should therefore be removed instead of spending valuable dev time on trying to give them a function.
<!--quoteo(post=1955391:date=Jul 31 2012, 10:19 AM:name=fanatic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fanatic @ Jul 31 2012, 10:19 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1955391"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->NS2 needs less player-to-AI interaction, not more.
MACs don't fulfill the purpose they were created for, and hardly serve a purpose at all these days, and should therefore be removed instead of spending valuable dev time on trying to give them a function.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When I comm marines (rarely) I really like using MAC's, especially with the new emp research upgrade. It is just too much money for them to be useful, until now. I think that this is a big incentive to go early robo (which NEVER happens).
As for less player-to-AI, i would rather have a MAC with a group and have to take out the MAC to hamper advancement, rather than dropping an armory every 10ft.
The <a href="http://www.naturalselection2.com/buy" target="_blank">http://www.naturalselection2.com/buy</a> site seems down. That seems like a great thing (and a bad thing)
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Sales up 800% vs. what? An average day's sales? The median sales for the past month? Sales this time last year? Sales on the day with the most sales ever? I WANT NUMBERS.
<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->OK because you're asking: our pre-sales went up, oh, 2600% since TotalBiscuit. Yeah. Wow.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Amazing! I knew Totalbiscuit is famous =) He is also very critic but he did review a lot of games. All good games need is advertising, hopefully NS2 will be famous :)
<!--quoteo(post=1957245:date=Aug 5 2012, 07:07 AM:name=Atone)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Atone @ Aug 5 2012, 07:07 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1957245"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The graph is cool, but doesn't mean a lot without any numbers on the Y axis.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> 2600%
At the very least they previously had sales of say 1-3 a day - probably more than this actually (graph shows positive and fluctuates). $35 a copy means they're probably now pulling 150k+ a day as a very conservative estimate :o.
<!--quoteo(post=1957251:date=Aug 4 2012, 11:16 PM:name=elodea)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elodea @ Aug 4 2012, 11:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1957251"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->150k+ a day<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Wow that makes a lot of beer to celebrate this!
<!--quoteo(post=1957255:date=Aug 5 2012, 07:22 AM:name=Jwam)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jwam @ Aug 5 2012, 07:22 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1957255"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Wow that makes a lot of beer to celebrate this!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> If i could guess, i would actually say they're making 300-400k :p. 150 was just a minimum estimate.
NolSinklerOn the ClorfJoin Date: 2004-02-15Member: 26560Members, Constellation
<!--quoteo(post=1957264:date=Aug 4 2012, 05:33 PM:name=elodea)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (elodea @ Aug 4 2012, 05:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1957264"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If i could guess, i would actually say they're making 300-400k :p. 150 was just a minimum estimate.
Well deserved<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My word. You think they're selling around 10,000 copies per day? I doubt it. That would be insane.
At the very least they previously had sales of say 1-3 a day - probably more than this actually (graph shows positive and fluctuates). $35 a copy means they're probably now pulling 150k+ a day as a very conservative estimate :o.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think your math is a little off. Assuming your number of 3 copies a day, or $105, a 2600% increase would bring you to $2835. And even if they were previously making 50 sales a day, it wouldn't even be close to your $150,000 estimate.
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Seems... arbtirary?
<b>A</b> MAC can be relatively easily taken out yes, but it can also weld marines without them paying any attention to it, it's also cheaper than an armory (I think) and continues to function without power, it's also mobile so you can easily keep one with a squad of marines at all times. You can also build lots of them, and have good reasons to do so even ignoring their ability to weld marines.
If armory tanking is a problem, MAC welding would only exacerbate it, or at least not really help the problem, the only real effect I can see by taking it off the armory is adding more busy work involved in getting healed.
(and armory armor-healing isn't comming back I believe, for reasons mentioned earlier in other threads)
p.s. lot's of MACs can easily be taken out be bile-bombs, MACs are really weak
(and armory armor-healing isn't comming back I believe, for reasons mentioned earlier in other threads)
p.s. lot's of MACs can easily be taken out be bile-bombs, MACs are really weak<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If gorges are bile bombing the base I don't think it massively matters what you have, you're doing something dreadfully wrong.
If armory tanking is a problem, MAC welding would only exacerbate it, or at least not really help the problem, the only real effect I can see by taking it off the armory is adding more busy work involved in getting healed.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm concerned on this too. But lets see how it plays before judging. It could be good or bad for balance.
Remember that the Marines range advantage could be seriously hampered by MACs flying around in your base, not just to weld you but also players near by.
The best solution would be to press 'use' on macs and for them to heal you..
I'd like it to work, but I have big doubts... this is where something like ranged welding could work better, like the Kham heal.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I believe that MACs following and welding marines could be decent, if coded well.
Make MACs keep a certain minimum distance to a marine, welding distance or longer. (MACs won't block movement).
Make MACs move 90 degrees from the angle they are taking friendly fire from. (Shoot it once and it moves).
Stuff like that needs to go in if that approach is taken. Else, I will agree that press 'e' on MAC for a weld would be best solution.
MACs don't fulfill the purpose they were created for, and hardly serve a purpose at all these days, and should therefore be removed instead of spending valuable dev time on trying to give them a function.
It's crazy enough, it just might work. Looking forward to testing it out.
MACs don't fulfill the purpose they were created for, and hardly serve a purpose at all these days, and should therefore be removed instead of spending valuable dev time on trying to give them a function.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
When I comm marines (rarely) I really like using MAC's, especially with the new emp research upgrade. It is just too much money for them to be useful, until now. I think that this is a big incentive to go early robo (which NEVER happens).
As for less player-to-AI, i would rather have a MAC with a group and have to take out the MAC to hamper advancement, rather than dropping an armory every 10ft.
is it the "doo DOO" sound of yore?!?
AHH I love that sound. Also the old alien evolution sound. When you got in the egg and it would go "DOO do DOO". That was the best. :D
Amazing! I knew Totalbiscuit is famous =)
He is also very critic but he did review a lot of games.
All good games need is advertising, hopefully NS2 will be famous :)
18/18
18/18
18/18
is all i see ...^^
By the way, this game deserves 1000000% pre-sales!!!!
2600%
At the very least they previously had sales of say 1-3 a day - probably more than this actually (graph shows positive and fluctuates). $35 a copy means they're probably now pulling 150k+ a day as a very conservative estimate :o.
If i could guess, i would actually say they're making 300-400k :p. 150 was just a minimum estimate.
Well deserved
Well deserved<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My word. You think they're selling around 10,000 copies per day? I doubt it. That would be insane.
At the very least they previously had sales of say 1-3 a day - probably more than this actually (graph shows positive and fluctuates). $35 a copy means they're probably now pulling 150k+ a day as a very conservative estimate :o.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think your math is a little off. Assuming your number of 3 copies a day, or $105, a 2600% increase would bring you to $2835. And even if they were previously making 50 sales a day, it wouldn't even be close to your $150,000 estimate.