Pfsh! Screw 'em!... well okay you might be right. But you see, he's not really making the same idea stuff. Like, he's not making a super-huge set that actually turns it into a game that has stuff from the movies. They just look different. People are using NS models over at CustomTFC, NS team isn't getting onto them.
And if Fox gets onto Dirty J for that, they're just anal losers who have nothing better to do.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Pfsh! Screw 'em!... well okay you might be right. But you see, he's not really making the same idea stuff. Like, he's not making a super-huge set that actually turns it into a game that has stuff from the movies. They just look different. People are using NS models over at CustomTFC, NS team isn't getting onto them.
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thats my point m8, they will probably threaten legal action or some type of cease and desist order thing. fox seem to like strangling the fan community and usually destroy any attempts at copyright infringment, but if dirty_j created totally new models and skins, this would fall under the catagory of "fan art" and this as expressionism is untouchable by law. also this would clear the ns dev team of any "aiding and abetting" of a copyright infringment also.
We'd never be able to allow people to download copyrighted models like that directly off of the forums. If you wanted to distribute it, you'd have to find alternate channels . . .
But if the team has no hand in the distribution, I doubt Fox would have much against us. Maybe we'd have to lock or remove these threads, but it's not like we can police everyone's personal ns install.
i dont mean to be a party pooper man, im just trying to protect dirty_j, ive had a run in with fox myself and i know what im talking about, they are not nice people at all. i say fox can sod off and all that but it wouldnt stop them trying some type of legal shennanigan against dirty_j maybe. all im saying is although those models are nice they are property of fox, and unless ns is a fox merchandise based mod then im sure they would object to seeing their property ported to another more popular game. i suppose it riles them that avp2 isnt as popular online as ns or something <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
if dirty_j releases these i will download them and try them myself (me being anti-fox) but if he ever decided to make his own models fox couldnt do anything about those, unless the faces of the models resembled the facial features of the stars of any of the alien series movies. (trust me on this i was emailed by fox on this very matter not too long ago)
It's a not-for-profit fan work. I don't see what the problem is. If it was part of NS (as in the dev team decided to use it in place of the existing model, which I imagine would never happen) there might be a problem. Strictly speaking it's no different from someone making a wallpaper based on a still from the movies or a screenie from the game and making it available for whoever wants to DL it.
<!--QuoteBegin--Dirty_J+Nov 10 2002, 03:42 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dirty_J @ Nov 10 2002, 03:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->here are colonial marines i converted from avp2
i take ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIT FOR THESE MODELS SKINS OR ANIMATIONS
note i brightened the in game shots so you could see them more clearly as they came out dark<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mail to hukka@hukkalandia.net and I will share your model for all..
<!--QuoteBegin--Souris+Nov 14 2002, 11:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Souris @ Nov 14 2002, 11:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's a not-for-profit fan work. I don't see what the problem is. If it was part of NS (as in the dev team decided to use it in place of the existing model, which I imagine would never happen) there might be a problem. Strictly speaking it's no different from someone making a wallpaper based on a still from the movies or a screenie from the game and making it available for whoever wants to DL it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Your example is actually wrong already. It's illegal to do such things without written consent from the company, read the little thing before the movie plays... Models, skins, textures, etc are all the property of their respective companies.
If you can remember about the first Generations mod, which got nixed by iD, because of the characters and skins, textures, sprites, etc used in the mod. This has happened MANY many times, in many games, and is notoriously known as being "foxed". It is an illegal act to take someone else's work, and use it in a fashion they did not intend it to be used.
Just like if you took the textures, models, sprites, or even ideas of the NS mod, and made a doom3 mod using that type of stuff, they could seek legal suits against those people. It is within anyone's right to protect their creations. Let's not condone the act of THEFT here. If you feel you want to release models and stuff you have stolen from another game, mod, whatever, do it on your own site, and don't spread it around here. The peopel who run this forum CAN get in trouble for such things, I've seen it happen.
Remember, you're saying it's ok to steal from AvP2, but what if they stole the NS models and used them in a mod for that game? I bet you'd be up in arms against them, eh? Follow the laws and such, and there won't be any problems. If you want a model or skin that RESEMBLES copyrighted material, please make sure people can differentiate between the two, and nothing can happen.
as i said before i take ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIT FOR THESE OBJECTS USED HERE
but i paid for aliens vs predator 2, i enjoy the game very much, but they released their product publically if i use their materials that they released publically then i dont see any wrong doing as long as i credit the appropriate owner
IF fox has any problems they can contact me at DirtyJ69@hotmail.com if they do not wish for me to continue with this i will cease in this pack, if they see it as i see it (im just using their public released stuff in another public released game for enjoyment purposes and since im not making any money off this then it shouldnt matter) but if they see it otherwise i assure that i will completely remodel/reskin each and every one of the things that i have already converted here and i will make a completely new pack of my own work
but if fox wants to contact me you contact me at DirtyJ69@hotmail.com or through aim or icq services punx323/47148567
BUT FOR NOW UNTIL IM NOTIFIED OTHERWISE IM CANCELING THIS PROJECT, i do not need any legal issues right now as i just got back tonight from visiting my dad in the hospital for disclosed reasons, i dont need any legal **obscenity** coming my way
Im really looking forward to those models, and i hope youll be able to release them. (since it means i wont have to do it all myself)
And if you need someone to host them, ill put them up on my website, just mention it in a post here, and I will get in touch with you about it at your email address. And I know a couple of other sites that would probably host them as well.
You do know Fox is never going to frequent these forums and tell you "Hey you can use our models" Nor are they going to visit and say "hey don't use em". I think it'd be better to work on it until notified other wise, but hey do as you wish man.
Hope your father gets better, my dad had a Heart Transplant and I know how hard it can be when a family member's life is at stake.
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yeah I am kinda disappointed in this too, unfortunately some people could not resist ruining the fun for others. I mean **obscenity**, look at all the RTCW and MOH:AA models that were released until ONE GUY made a post about this IP crap.
And ya know the best part? Neither EA or ID made any comments or knew about it until this ONE PERSON.
To those who brought up copy right infringement: I know you did the right thing, but couldn't you have at least waited for this skin pack to be completed? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I have send an E-Mail to Fox-Interactive Germany. I have say them the models are for an Total Conversion and they say when its not commercial than is it ok.
You can release them. But it must be release on a German Webspace. I post the e-mail in this Thread later.
That seems like a logical response. They did release a suite of mod tools for AVP and AVP2, so im sure they expect people to make conversions and such.
well...actually im not sure but since the model is a little changed like the red on the joints..its truely not like avp2's model..its alterd yes so wouldnt that mean its not like avp2 model?...fox cant sue for a model that looks like it but is alterd in a way...
Auf ihre Anfrage bezüglich des Copyrights der Fox Argentur, kann ich ihnen mitteilen das sie diese sogennanten Figuren nutzen können. Da sie Conversionen / Convertierungen sind und keineswegs Kommerziell ist es ihnen erlaubt diese zu benutzen und zu veröffentlichen. Es muss aber, angegeben werden das diese Figuren / Modelle Urheberrechtlich Fox / Sierra gehören. Ich erteile ihnen hiermit die Erlaubnis die Dateien in das Internet zu stellen.
I hope you can read it. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Dear Mr. Langen. On its request concerning the copyright of the Fox Argentur, I can be able to use to them to communicate her these sogennanten figures. There they Conversionen/Convertierungen are and by no means commercial are it them permit these to use and publish. However, these figures/be belonged models must be indicated in copyright matters to Fox/Sierra. I give them hereby permission the files into the InterNet to place. Yours sincerely, faithfully Reindl walter<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From what I gather he's given you permission to convert the models. Permission granted, you've been granted permission to convert the models. (I'd still like to hear what the US office has to say on the matter though)
My Dad is working for Sierra´Germany. He has many contacts
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very sensible responce dirty_j your going about this the right way by contacting the original creator company. i hope the american branch sees it in the same light as the german one, then we could all play ns using your players. if they disagree (and knowing what arseholes fox are they probably will) then ill help you get an original model pack out there for the ns community, just let me know what you may need, mesh or skinnage or whatever (if indeed you need any help at all) it would be excellent for a collonial marine model pack to be released for ns as i think its basically a perfect setting for an aliens movie concept anyway. please keep us all appraised of this fox email thing, im dying to see if they have finally relaxed their draconian policy on fox content.
ps/ i hope your dad is ok too, it can be hard when a family member is sick, especially if there a close relation like a parent, give him our reguards.
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And if Fox gets onto Dirty J for that, they're just anal losers who have nothing better to do.
And if Fox gets onto Dirty J for that, they're just anal losers who have nothing better to do.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
thats my point m8, they will probably threaten legal action or some type of cease and desist order thing. fox seem to like strangling the fan community and usually destroy any attempts at copyright infringment, but if dirty_j created totally new models and skins, this would fall under the catagory of "fan art" and this as expressionism is untouchable by law. also this would clear the ns dev team of any "aiding and abetting" of a copyright infringment also.
But if the team has no hand in the distribution, I doubt Fox would have much against us. Maybe we'd have to lock or remove these threads, but it's not like we can police everyone's personal ns install.
if dirty_j releases these i will download them and try them myself (me being anti-fox) but if he ever decided to make his own models fox couldnt do anything about those, unless the faces of the models resembled the facial features of the stars of any of the alien series movies. (trust me on this i was emailed by fox on this very matter not too long ago)
i take ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIT FOR THESE MODELS SKINS OR ANIMATIONS
note i brightened the in game shots so you could see them more clearly as they came out dark<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mail to hukka@hukkalandia.net and I will share your model for all..
Your example is actually wrong already. It's illegal to do such things without written consent from the company, read the little thing before the movie plays... Models, skins, textures, etc are all the property of their respective companies.
If you can remember about the first Generations mod, which got nixed by iD, because of the characters and skins, textures, sprites, etc used in the mod. This has happened MANY many times, in many games, and is notoriously known as being "foxed". It is an illegal act to take someone else's work, and use it in a fashion they did not intend it to be used.
Just like if you took the textures, models, sprites, or even ideas of the NS mod, and made a doom3 mod using that type of stuff, they could seek legal suits against those people. It is within anyone's right to protect their creations. Let's not condone the act of THEFT here. If you feel you want to release models and stuff you have stolen from another game, mod, whatever, do it on your own site, and don't spread it around here. The peopel who run this forum CAN get in trouble for such things, I've seen it happen.
Remember, you're saying it's ok to steal from AvP2, but what if they stole the NS models and used them in a mod for that game? I bet you'd be up in arms against them, eh? Follow the laws and such, and there won't be any problems. If you want a model or skin that RESEMBLES copyrighted material, please make sure people can differentiate between the two, and nothing can happen.
Please, be respectful.
but i paid for aliens vs predator 2, i enjoy the game very much, but they released their product publically
if i use their materials that they released publically then i dont see any wrong doing as long as i credit the
appropriate owner
IF fox has any problems they can contact me at DirtyJ69@hotmail.com if they do not wish for me to continue
with this i will cease in this pack, if they see it as i see it (im just using their public released stuff in another public released game for enjoyment purposes and since im not making any money off this then it shouldnt matter) but if they see it otherwise i assure that i will completely remodel/reskin each and every one of the things that i have already converted here and i will make a completely new pack of my own work
but if fox wants to contact me you contact me at DirtyJ69@hotmail.com or through aim or icq services punx323/47148567
BUT FOR NOW UNTIL IM NOTIFIED OTHERWISE IM CANCELING THIS PROJECT, i do not need any legal issues right now
as i just got back tonight from visiting my dad in the hospital for disclosed reasons, i dont need any legal **obscenity** coming my way
SO AS OF NOW THE PROJECT IS TERMINATED
Im really looking forward to those models, and i hope youll be able to release them. (since it means i wont have to do it all myself)
And if you need someone to host them, ill put them up on my website, just mention it in a post here, and I will get in touch with you about it at your email address. And I know a couple of other sites that would probably host them as well.
Hope your father gets better, my dad had a Heart Transplant and I know how hard it can be when a family member's life is at stake.
I think al the models are faked.
The Project is Terminated uhh. What a surprise. lol
And ya know the best part? Neither EA or ID made any comments or knew about it until this ONE PERSON.
To those who brought up copy right infringement: I know you did the right thing, but couldn't you have at least waited for this skin pack to be completed?
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I have send an E-Mail to Fox-Interactive Germany.
I have say them the models are for an Total Conversion and they say when its not commercial than is it ok.
You can release them. But it must be release on a German Webspace.
I post the e-mail in this Thread later.
One Question: Can I host it for you?
i do not want to limit it to german servers only, i want everybody to have it
get me their email addresses i will do it personally and then we will see what they say
I dont know what the Americans say but the Germans having not a problem with that.
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Sehr geehrter Herr Langen.
Auf ihre Anfrage bezüglich des Copyrights der Fox Argentur,
kann ich ihnen mitteilen
das sie diese sogennanten Figuren nutzen können.
Da sie Conversionen / Convertierungen sind
und keineswegs Kommerziell ist es ihnen erlaubt diese
zu benutzen und zu veröffentlichen.
Es muss aber, angegeben werden das diese Figuren / Modelle
Urheberrechtlich Fox / Sierra
gehören. Ich erteile ihnen hiermit die Erlaubnis die Dateien
in das Internet zu stellen.
Mit freundlichen grüssen, hochachtungsvoll
Reindl Walter
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I hope you can read it. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Dear Mr. Langen. On its request concerning the copyright of the Fox Argentur, I can be able to use to them to communicate her these sogennanten figures. There they Conversionen/Convertierungen are and by no means commercial are it them permit these to use and publish. However, these figures/be belonged models must be indicated in copyright matters to Fox/Sierra. I give them hereby permission the files into the InterNet to place. Yours sincerely, faithfully Reindl walter<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
From what I gather he's given you permission to convert the models. Permission granted, you've been granted permission to convert the models. (I'd still like to hear what the US office has to say on the matter though)
Sorry my English isnt pretty good. Because you can see im German. An non english-newb <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
ps/ i hope your dad is ok too, it can be hard when a family member is sick, especially if there a close relation like a parent, give him our reguards.