How is the lag on the map? have the entity issues been dealt with or your waiting for the last two parts before that gets done?
Great so far... One of my favourite maps, it always had the most atomospheric (excuse the pun) and fun maps even if it was horribly balanced. Im sure you guys can come up with something.
The version we played has 320 entities, and the next one is aiming at 270 or less... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No lag. If you see high pings, it's because we were some Europeans, and the server is located at US. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit: Latest version has 264 entities. Official limit is 275.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mendasp+Mar 20 2004, 08:10 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mendasp @ Mar 20 2004, 08:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The version we played has 320 entities, and the next one is aiming at 270 or less... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No lag. If you see high pings, it's because we were some Europeans, and the server is located at US. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit: Latest version has 264 entities. Official limit is 275.
Oh, and I fixed the hive order, too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No lag? Did you have tryed to make an for the best part turret farm to see if it really will lag or not. And gorge farm. I like the combat bast screenshots, but Ms is a bit red. Very little <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> It was blue before!
Finally the marines bring home the victory cake <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> Who'd have thought a relocate to tram tunnel would work so well.
EDIT: That entire area will get comm friendlyafied. As you can see it's pretty nasty in the screenshots <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Just cause I love Feedwater. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
remiremedy [blu.knight]Join Date: 2003-11-18Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
Feedwater does look REALLY cramped... though I haven't played it, so I really can't say.
And how does one make it more com-friendly? are there special entities or something? or are you going to just move stuff?
And one more question: Is it possible to hear every point of the map as a commander? I think it's ns_mineshaft... the map is too low, and so, you can't hear the map. Being able to hear it is quite important...
<!--QuoteBegin-Psyke+Mar 20 2004, 02:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Psyke @ Mar 20 2004, 02:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Feedwater does look REALLY cramped... though I haven't played it, so I really can't say.
And how does one make it more com-friendly? are there special entities or something? or are you going to just move stuff?
And one more question: Is it possible to hear every point of the map as a commander? I think it's ns_mineshaft... the map is too low, and so, you can't hear the map. Being able to hear it is quite important... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It ain't as cramped as before. Plus it now has lovely dark corners.
Had another playtest. There's some crates in Tram-Tunnel now, along with other changes. Captions coming soon to a theater near you.
Note: Images might not work for some people. I don't know why. I suspect it has something to do with my host's DNS or something.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0011.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Me getting wasted near Feedwater.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0012.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> We set up a siege in the vents connected to Engine. I kill MrBen.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0013.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> After taking Engine Room, we start up an HA train towards Feedwater...
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0015.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> ... We meet a little resistance. We get crushed.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0016.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Marine base getting wasted, as a result.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0022.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> In another game, the Marine base getting demolished. Spores everywhere, etc.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0027.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> A new Bast strategy! Relocate on top of Feedwater! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> (Note: It takes a good amount of teamwork to jump on each other and get up there. 1 skulk (i.e. Mendasp) can just run in and kill all of them, practically ending the game. And even when they DO finally set up a base there, it's rather easy to Spore and such.)
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0030.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> The next game, MrBen decides to relocate to the Bridge. What a fool. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0032.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> We stealthily climb over to Refinery and try to set up a siege on the hive. It would have been a great victory (and only in a few minutes too). We fail.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0038.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Other marines are trying to relocate to Feedwater. They're not as successful though. Some skulks come and kill all of them.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0040.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> The remaining survivor of the Feedwater-Relocation attempt tries to swim for it.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0042.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> MrBen has another brilliant idea. Relocate to the vent outside the MS! Previous relocations included the "N" Corridor. Stupid Benny, Trix are for kids! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The onos ruined the party in N corridor <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Nz-Nexus+Mar 20 2004, 04:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nz-Nexus @ Mar 20 2004, 04:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> but Ms is a bit red. Very little <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> It was blue before! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Noo! I suggested those two tiny red lights.
Nooo! It lags on my computer <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> Almost the whole map. I was so hopeful too. Damn this Dell of mine!
ssjyodaJoin Date: 2002-03-05Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
edited March 2004
I have to say this, ive finally straightened it all out in my head.
Ok, bast is looking great, but I do have one problem with it. I am not talking about the lighting, I know its a WIP. But all the other little things. I feel the style of the map is being changed. I'm not saying it looks bad, oh now, but I do not feel this project if holding true to the style of the original mapper. This may be a bad comparison, but its like fixing up a picasso and saying it looks better. That is his style, and this is yours. The styles of ns maps today are very different than that of what was, ie when bast was made. Now, i'm not telling the remakers to change what they have done, but to keep that in mind when they get feedback and its a little negative. And for the people giving feedback to remember its a blend of styles. I personally would want to try and preserve the original style, but im not on this team.
And now I get ready to be told I'm completely wrong... bah
well, not that much, actually, since there have been some changes... but I must say they were much needed tweaks to a pretty unbalanced map... tweaks that would never be made 'coz the source of the map was lost, and even if that hadn't happpened, apparently the mapper himself wasn't gonna be mapping anymore, so, what more do you want?
'sides, these are just a few <b>subtle</b> "balance/gameplay" tweaks here and there that are making Bast be the Bast that it's always deserved to be!...
also, consider the fact that this Bast comes from a decompiled version of the original... nah, it's all there, just as it was...
so, you're not wrong... you just apparently ain't been payin' attention... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Now that I see the infestation in refinery, I must say that it is pretty nice. However, the infestation looks like it ends too abruptly. Any chance the mappers can add some semi infested textures to the wall/floor at the edges of the infestation?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Now that I see the infestation in refinery, I must say that it is pretty nice. However, the infestation looks like it ends too abruptly. Any chance the mappers can add some semi infested textures to the wall/floor at the edges of the infestation?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Chat to MrBen, hes the infestation guy. Find him in #nsmapping on gamesurge or PM him via forums on your ideas.
(Mend tried to devour me like 4 times - he got me after I snapped this shot <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
another great reloc pic <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> (it was onos safe place annyways)
<!--QuoteBegin-ssjyoda+Mar 20 2004, 09:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ssjyoda @ Mar 20 2004, 09:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have to say this, ive finally straightened it all out in my head.
Ok, bast is looking great, but I do have one problem with it. I am not talking about the lighting, I know its a WIP. But all the other little things. I feel the style of the map is being changed. I'm not saying it looks bad, oh now, but I do not feel this project if holding true to the style of the original mapper. This may be a bad comparison, but its like fixing up a picasso and saying it looks better. That is his style, and this is yours. The styles of ns maps today are very different than that of what was, ie when bast was made. Now, i'm not telling the remakers to change what they have done, but to keep that in mind when they get feedback and its a little negative. And for the people giving feedback to remember its a blend of styles. I personally would want to try and preserve the original style, but im not on this team.
And now I get ready to be told I'm completely wrong... bah <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's the same problem I've been facing with nancy. People don't want change even though the map NEEDS it. Bast looks much better now, and that is all a map is about. It is much more atmospheric too. Why people must complain it doesn't feel like the old is stupid. All the other maps got updates. Why shouldn't this one?
ssjyodaJoin Date: 2002-03-05Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
im not reallytalking about gameplay/balance tweaks. Infestation wasn't a gameplay tweak... The little things im talking about, details. I know changes will be made to adjust the gameplay, and thats good. But I feel the style is slowly being altered to blend that with of the remake mappers. I still have yet to decide if its a bad idea or not, either way it looks nice, but I like the older map styles much much more.
Lazer, go ahead, make gameplay changes you need to, but don't add detail cause you think it looks better, cause then its your style, your tastes. Not that of the original mapper. Try and hold true, which I think has been done very well with nancy.
Bast has always been the most atmospheric map. When you go back and look at all the old maps they actually have places that feel dark and scary. This is what i want to preserve in bast. Right now we have far to many maps that just ....well they are just not scary at all, there are no dark corners or scary corridors in any of the new maps. This is the main loss we feel form ns and thus we want a bast that feels dark and scary and feels like you could get ambushed at any moment. Bast had this due to its dark feel and narrow corridors. I think peoples concerns are just that they do not want another ns_origin or ns_veil.
Don't worry, you've still got that with bast <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The_CheatIt's a The Cheat!Join Date: 2003-11-19Member: 23191Members, Constellation
Dang, I've wanted to play bast a lot lately. I knew I should have joined #nsmapping sooner. They're playing it right now on EHB's server. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Comments
Great so far... One of my favourite maps, it always had the most atomospheric (excuse the pun) and fun maps even if it was horribly balanced. Im sure you guys can come up with something.
No lag. If you see high pings, it's because we were some Europeans, and the server is located at US. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit: Latest version has 264 entities. Official limit is 275.
Oh, and I fixed the hive order, too.
No lag. If you see high pings, it's because we were some Europeans, and the server is located at US. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit: Latest version has 264 entities. Official limit is 275.
Oh, and I fixed the hive order, too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No lag? Did you have tryed to make an for the best part turret farm to see if it really will lag or not. And gorge farm. I like the combat bast screenshots, but Ms is a bit red. Very little <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> It was blue before!
Finally the marines bring home the victory cake <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> Who'd have thought a relocate to tram tunnel would work so well.
EDIT: That entire area will get comm friendlyafied. As you can see it's pretty nasty in the screenshots <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<img src='http://shdwstal.temporal-sands.com/ns_bast_remake0010.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://shdwstal.temporal-sands.com/ns_bast_remake0011.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Just cause I love Feedwater. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And how does one make it more com-friendly? are there special entities or something? or are you going to just move stuff?
And one more question:
Is it possible to hear every point of the map as a commander? I think it's ns_mineshaft... the map is too low, and so, you can't hear the map. Being able to hear it is quite important...
And how does one make it more com-friendly? are there special entities or something? or are you going to just move stuff?
And one more question:
Is it possible to hear every point of the map as a commander? I think it's ns_mineshaft... the map is too low, and so, you can't hear the map. Being able to hear it is quite important... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It ain't as cramped as before. Plus it now has lovely dark corners.
Note: Images might not work for some people. I don't know why. I suspect it has something to do with my host's DNS or something.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0011.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Me getting wasted near Feedwater.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0012.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
We set up a siege in the vents connected to Engine. I kill MrBen.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0013.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
After taking Engine Room, we start up an HA train towards Feedwater...
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0015.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
... We meet a little resistance. We get crushed.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0016.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Marine base getting wasted, as a result.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0022.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
In another game, the Marine base getting demolished. Spores everywhere, etc.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0027.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
A new Bast strategy! Relocate on top of Feedwater! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
(Note: It takes a good amount of teamwork to jump on each other and get up there. 1 skulk (i.e. Mendasp) can just run in and kill all of them, practically ending the game. And even when they DO finally set up a base there, it's rather easy to Spore and such.)
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0030.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
The next game, MrBen decides to relocate to the Bridge. What a fool. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0032.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
We stealthily climb over to Refinery and try to set up a siege on the hive. It would have been a great victory (and only in a few minutes too). We fail.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0038.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Other marines are trying to relocate to Feedwater. They're not as successful though. Some skulks come and kill all of them.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0040.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
The remaining survivor of the Feedwater-Relocation attempt tries to swim for it.
<img src='http://hl-nightwatch.net/images/random/ns_bast_remake0042.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
MrBen has another brilliant idea. Relocate to the vent outside the MS! Previous relocations included the "N" Corridor. Stupid Benny, Trix are for kids! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<img src='http://usuarios.lycos.es/mendasp/screenies/ns_bast_remake0039.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Two random screenshots on feedwater
<img src='http://usuarios.lycos.es/mendasp/screenies/ns_bast_remake0040.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
The beautiful Engine.
<img src='http://usuarios.lycos.es/mendasp/screenies/ns_bast_remake0041.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Marines getting ready to destroy a hive.
<img src='http://usuarios.lycos.es/mendasp/screenies/ns_bast_remake0044.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Typical situation on Steam Generation.
<img src='http://usuarios.lycos.es/mendasp/screenies/ns_bast_remake0045.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://usuarios.lycos.es/mendasp/screenies/ns_bast_remake0047.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://usuarios.lycos.es/mendasp/screenies/ns_bast_remake0043.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Random Screenshots!
The onos ruined the party in N corridor <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<img src='http://mrben.thezazi.net/images/ns_bast_remake0016.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Mariens decided to relocate to the hole in feedwater, a genius plan to say the least.
Noo! I suggested those two tiny red lights.
Ok, bast is looking great, but I do have one problem with it. I am not talking about the lighting, I know its a WIP. But all the other little things. I feel the style of the map is being changed. I'm not saying it looks bad, oh now, but I do not feel this project if holding true to the style of the original mapper. This may be a bad comparison, but its like fixing up a picasso and saying it looks better. That is his style, and this is yours. The styles of ns maps today are very different than that of what was, ie when bast was made. Now, i'm not telling the remakers to change what they have done, but to keep that in mind when they get feedback and its a little negative. And for the people giving feedback to remember its a blend of styles. I personally would want to try and preserve the original style, but im not on this team.
And now I get ready to be told I'm completely wrong... bah
unlike a movie there are no characters and mel gibson instead of george clooneys to worry about
that's how i see it anyway - fair enough is my attitude
well, not that much, actually, since there have been some changes... but I must say they were much needed tweaks to a pretty unbalanced map... tweaks that would never be made 'coz the source of the map was lost, and even if that hadn't happpened, apparently the mapper himself wasn't gonna be mapping anymore, so, what more do you want?
'sides, these are just a few <b>subtle</b> "balance/gameplay" tweaks here and there that are making Bast be the Bast that it's always deserved to be!...
also, consider the fact that this Bast comes from a decompiled version of the original... nah, it's all there, just as it was...
so, you're not wrong... you just apparently ain't been payin' attention... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Now that I see the infestation in refinery, I must say that it is pretty nice. However, the infestation looks like it ends too abruptly. Any chance the mappers can add some semi infested textures to the wall/floor at the edges of the infestation?
Chat to MrBen, hes the infestation guy. Find him in #nsmapping on gamesurge or PM him via forums on your ideas.
(Mend tried to devour me like 4 times - he got me after I snapped this shot <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
(it was onos safe place annyways)
Ok, bast is looking great, but I do have one problem with it. I am not talking about the lighting, I know its a WIP. But all the other little things. I feel the style of the map is being changed. I'm not saying it looks bad, oh now, but I do not feel this project if holding true to the style of the original mapper. This may be a bad comparison, but its like fixing up a picasso and saying it looks better. That is his style, and this is yours. The styles of ns maps today are very different than that of what was, ie when bast was made. Now, i'm not telling the remakers to change what they have done, but to keep that in mind when they get feedback and its a little negative. And for the people giving feedback to remember its a blend of styles. I personally would want to try and preserve the original style, but im not on this team.
And now I get ready to be told I'm completely wrong... bah <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's the same problem I've been facing with nancy. People don't want change even though the map NEEDS it. Bast looks much better now, and that is all a map is about. It is much more atmospheric too. Why people must complain it doesn't feel like the old is stupid. All the other maps got updates. Why shouldn't this one?
Lazer, go ahead, make gameplay changes you need to, but don't add detail cause you think it looks better, cause then its your style, your tastes. Not that of the original mapper. Try and hold true, which I think has been done very well with nancy.
I am not saying anything looks horrible.
Bast had this due to its dark feel and narrow corridors. I think peoples concerns are just that they do not want another ns_origin or ns_veil.