Leaked Pentagon Report: Climate Change
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<div class="IPBDescription">Oh S**t!</div> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Leaked Pentagon report warns climate change may bring famine, war: report
Sun Feb 22, 5:17 PM ET
LONDON (AFP) - A secret report prepared by the Pentagon (news - web sites) warns that climate change may lead to global catastrophe costing millions of lives and is a far greater threat than terrorism.
The report was ordered by an influential US Pentagon advisor but was covered up by "US defense chiefs" for four months, until it was "obtained" by the British weekly The Observer.
The leak promises to draw angry attention to US environmental and military policies, following Washington's rejection of the Kyoto Protocol (news - web sites) on climate change and President George W. Bush (news - web sites)'s skepticism about global warning -- a stance that has stunned scientists worldwide.
The Pentagon report, commissioned by Andrew Marshall, predicts that "abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies," The Observer reported.
The report, quoted in the paper, concluded: "Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life.... Once again, warfare would define human life."
Its authors -- Peter Schwartz, a CIA (news - web sites) consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of Global Business Network based in California -- said climate change should be considered "immediately" as a top political and military issue.
It "should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern", they were quoted as saying.
Some examples given of probable scenarios in the dramatic report include:
-- Britain will have winters similar to those in current-day Siberia as European temperatures drop off radically by 2020.
-- by 2007 violent storms will make large parts of the Netherlands uninhabitable and lead to a breach in the acqueduct system in California that supplies all water to densely populated southern California
-- Europe and the United States become "virtual fortresses" trying to keep out millions of migrants whose homelands have been wiped out by rising sea levels or made unfarmable by drought.
-- "catastrophic" shortages of potable water and energy will lead to widespread war by 2020.
Randall, one of the authors, called his findings "depressing stuff" and warned that it might even be too late to prevent future disasters.
"We don't know exactly where we are in the process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another five years," he told the paper.
Experts familiar with the report told the newspaper that the threat to global stability "vastly eclipses that of terrorism".
Taking environmental pollution and climate change into account in political and military strategy is a new, complicated and necessary challenge for leaders, Randall said.
"It is a national security threat that is unique because there is no enemy to point your guns at and we have no control over the threat," he said.
Coming from the Pentagon, normally a bastion of conservative politics, the report is expected to bring environmental issues to the fore in the US presidential race.
Last week the Union of Concerned Scientists, an influential and non-partisan group that includes 20 Nobel laureates, accused the Bush administration of having deliberately distorted scientific fact to serve its policy agenda and having "misled the public".
Its 38-page report, which it said took over a year to prepare and was not time to coincide with the campaign season, details how Washington "systematically" skewed government scientific studies, suppressed others, stacked panels with political and unqualified appointees and often refused to seek independent expertise on issues.
Critics of the report quoted by the New York Times denied there was deliberate misrepresentation and called it politically motivated.
The person behind the leaked Pentagon report, Andrew Marsall, cannot be accused of the same partisan politicking.
Marsall, 82, has been an advisor for the defense department for decades, and was described by The Observer as the author of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's plans for a major transformation of the US military.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Source: <a href='http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1521&e=1&u=/afp/britain_us_environment' target='_blank'>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._us_environment</a>
We are majorly screwed if any of these scenarios occur. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Sun Feb 22, 5:17 PM ET
LONDON (AFP) - A secret report prepared by the Pentagon (news - web sites) warns that climate change may lead to global catastrophe costing millions of lives and is a far greater threat than terrorism.
The report was ordered by an influential US Pentagon advisor but was covered up by "US defense chiefs" for four months, until it was "obtained" by the British weekly The Observer.
The leak promises to draw angry attention to US environmental and military policies, following Washington's rejection of the Kyoto Protocol (news - web sites) on climate change and President George W. Bush (news - web sites)'s skepticism about global warning -- a stance that has stunned scientists worldwide.
The Pentagon report, commissioned by Andrew Marshall, predicts that "abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies," The Observer reported.
The report, quoted in the paper, concluded: "Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life.... Once again, warfare would define human life."
Its authors -- Peter Schwartz, a CIA (news - web sites) consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of Global Business Network based in California -- said climate change should be considered "immediately" as a top political and military issue.
It "should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern", they were quoted as saying.
Some examples given of probable scenarios in the dramatic report include:
-- Britain will have winters similar to those in current-day Siberia as European temperatures drop off radically by 2020.
-- by 2007 violent storms will make large parts of the Netherlands uninhabitable and lead to a breach in the acqueduct system in California that supplies all water to densely populated southern California
-- Europe and the United States become "virtual fortresses" trying to keep out millions of migrants whose homelands have been wiped out by rising sea levels or made unfarmable by drought.
-- "catastrophic" shortages of potable water and energy will lead to widespread war by 2020.
Randall, one of the authors, called his findings "depressing stuff" and warned that it might even be too late to prevent future disasters.
"We don't know exactly where we are in the process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another five years," he told the paper.
Experts familiar with the report told the newspaper that the threat to global stability "vastly eclipses that of terrorism".
Taking environmental pollution and climate change into account in political and military strategy is a new, complicated and necessary challenge for leaders, Randall said.
"It is a national security threat that is unique because there is no enemy to point your guns at and we have no control over the threat," he said.
Coming from the Pentagon, normally a bastion of conservative politics, the report is expected to bring environmental issues to the fore in the US presidential race.
Last week the Union of Concerned Scientists, an influential and non-partisan group that includes 20 Nobel laureates, accused the Bush administration of having deliberately distorted scientific fact to serve its policy agenda and having "misled the public".
Its 38-page report, which it said took over a year to prepare and was not time to coincide with the campaign season, details how Washington "systematically" skewed government scientific studies, suppressed others, stacked panels with political and unqualified appointees and often refused to seek independent expertise on issues.
Critics of the report quoted by the New York Times denied there was deliberate misrepresentation and called it politically motivated.
The person behind the leaked Pentagon report, Andrew Marsall, cannot be accused of the same partisan politicking.
Marsall, 82, has been an advisor for the defense department for decades, and was described by The Observer as the author of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's plans for a major transformation of the US military.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Source: <a href='http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1521&e=1&u=/afp/britain_us_environment' target='_blank'>http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor..._us_environment</a>
We are majorly screwed if any of these scenarios occur. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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I can't stress "may" enough. The reason that this report was "covered up" until now is easy to see - it has no scientific grounds! The entire report is speculation - which is all global warming <b>has</b> been.
hahahahaha
that was awsome.
and on what grounds do the think all the mass imgrations/war/famine will happen? not on past experience.
if the heating/cooling cycle theroy is true then the Earth has taken this before with no apocalyptic effects. so why would it happen now?
im also very skeptical of yahoo's "news" since they said that dark energy had been discovered, when it hasnt.
unless the astrophysics lecture i had the day after i read that is out of date <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
edit- spelling mistake and hugglez ziggy^
no s**t sherlock, leftists have been shouting global warming for DECADES, and now that the govt declares it true its newsworthy?
yeah you didnt think the only effect would be a few degrees of warmth in your house did you?
no... see when you heat up the water a tiny bit, a few miles of freshwater icebergs flood into the atlantic, which offsets the gulf stream, destroying oceanic warm water currents because of the salinity reduction, effectively causing the USA and europe to share the climate of the parts of asia in this lattitude, namely SIBERIA.
i'mma be laughing my **** off when the poo hits the fan and and green's can say we told you so.
Maybe you people from Florida can back me up on this, but if what my chemistry teacher told me is true a sea level rise of three feet could put all of Florida underwater. GG global warming gg.
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...preferably naked...
As an unedjucated and objective bystander, I've been flooded with claims from both sides. Warming is natural, nothing bad will happen, don't be a hippie v.s. end of the world, mass death, Earth = FUBAR. Now it's hard to see whether this report (if it is real) is just a publicity thing, or very real (and somewhat scary).
Hey, if we're lucky we'll live past 30. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
edit: This should be in discussion.
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now for all you worriers out there.
when humans are faced with a problem infront of them, many hit the books and think of a solution.
wait. crap im talking about humans. Warling, agressive.Panicky, stupid people, half of wich dont understand the concept of BIRTH CONTROL
WE ARE SCREWED
ahahhahahahahhahahahah
But I already know a few people who are working on prototypes of unlimeted energy. So I know there is justa bout nothing to worry about. cept with the global warming. I cant figure out that.
but look at the bright side. at least we aren't fight skulks and onos that eat humans whole in REAL LIFE> ahahahahhahahahahahha
...and Ice ages are more of a newer thing. When dinosaurs were around the average temperature is suspected to be around 95 degrees fahrenheit.
...and no, I'm not saying pollution had absolutely nothing to do with it. We can all see Venus and how it's covered in CO2 and SO2, and how it's hotter than Mercury...living proof of how greenhouse gases can affect a planet (...although, I don't think we have a chance of putting out that much SO2...but that's just me).
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Yeah, let me know when they finish the "Unlimited Energy" thing. I wanna freelance from Newsweek or something. Make big $$$
Wrong, tiberium will fall from the skyies, and the Tiberian Dawn will start.
OMG The day after tomorrow!
I'm a sleek bday boy <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
Wrong, tiberium will fall from the skyies, and the Tiberian Dawn will start.
OMG The day after tomorrow!
I'm a sleek bday boy <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> . <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
w00t tiberian fallout, thats gonna be awsome, were gonna have mutants and **** running around and were gonna be like omg omg omg, ZAP ZAP ZAP, BANG BANG BANG, and than like, some people will heal in the tiberian and than like others, like humans and badgers and stuff, and badger , badgers will also turn into mutants.
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I deal with that every winter. So?
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So they'll get water from somewhere else.
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Ship them to Canada. We have plenty of uninhabited and unused land that are screaming "Build a city on me!"
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Water will soon be "cloned". It seems pretty easy to create water, since it's only composed of three different main parts. Energy can be created in a variety of ways and sold to other countries. (Canada has been selling electricity to the US for years.)
No biggie.
Yes, and large areas of the globe that are currently land were covered by water, especially during the late Jurassic and early Cretaceous. A global rise in water levels would be absolutly disasterous; most of mankind's major cities are based in coastal regions.
When climatic changes occur, they bring with them massive changes and extinctions everywhere. Look at the end of the Permian; 90% of life on Earth wiped out as a result of climate changes. Alter the temperature of the world's oceans by just a few degrees and you have widespread death of algae, which produce 70% of the world's oxygen supply.
Saying "Oh, it's just a natural occurance" completely ignores the fact that when these changes occur naturally, they bring with them mass extinctions. As much as we try to kid ourselves otherwise, mankind remains dependant upon the ecosystem of the planet he lives on: Earth. Actively contributing to something as potentially diasterous as climate change is incredibly short sighted and unbelieveably risky. But that's mankind for you. If it happens in 20 years, it's not our problem.