<!--QuoteBegin--DiscoZombie+Dec 15 2003, 11:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Dec 15 2003, 11:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I guess there's a reason it's the time of year that boasts the most suicides... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <a href='http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/suicide.asp' target='_blank'>Actually, no it dosen't.</a> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyhow back on topic, if your going to be so damn grudgingly happy about Christmas then I for one would rather <i>not</i> get a present from you at all. If you don't want to buy gifts then don't buy gifts, whats hard about this.
**** I don't even have money to buy gifts, my mom just bought a new house that we move into in January. So this Christmas there will be no gifts. Big freaking woot, I'll deal with it. You have 2 parents and a girlfriend, which is more then what I have, be freaking happy about that and stop posting about how freaking awful it is to get gifts from people who love you. Jesus, this time last year my dad was drunk and kicking in the front door just before the cops came to throw him out. And your posting here because boo freaking hoo "I have no reason to celebrate Christmas"?!
Maybe if you were the one who had no job, no girlfriend, no father, and lived in a 2 bedroom house in which nothing works, and had no friends who gave a **** about you. Maybe then you would be freaking thankful for what you have. So cut the **** about why you should buy gifts for Christmas, buy them, put a smile on your face, and let those around you have their day of happiness without having to hear about why Johnny dosen't believe in God.
Yeah, I'm having a bad freaking morning. But at least I freaking know and appreciate the value of what I <b>do</b> have, because I know that however awful my life may seem to me its 10x worse for somone else out there.
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Paranoia-2MB+Dec 16 2003, 11:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Paranoia-2MB @ Dec 16 2003, 11:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--DiscoZombie+Dec 15 2003, 11:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Dec 15 2003, 11:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I guess there's a reason it's the time of year that boasts the most suicides... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> rofl
Yes
Anyways. To the person who said you live in "hellifornia" I live in cali too. There is snow...go up to Snow Summit, Big Bear, Mt. High, Mammoth for snow <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'm going snowboarding sometime soon anyways. I want a NS sticker for my K2 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> people who live in california and say "GO NORTH" or "GO TO COLORADO"
f*** that.
have you ever woken up in your house, still-warmed by the dreary embers of last night's raging fire, smoking in the hearth... have you ever gotten up from the makeshift bed you made there, to go to the window laced with crystal frost... to see a young doe staring intently at you, ears twitching, mere feet from you? and then you put on your boots and mittens, still in your pajamas, to go up to her, and she hops away, four others following her that you didn't see before, loping silently through the 3 feet of perfect #FFFFFF snow? no snowboarding tracks, no ski lifts, no lodge smoke in the distance. just trees iced with the third state of water, and what a strange and beautiful stage it is to you, on christmas day.
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
edited December 2003
<!--QuoteBegin--Palmaneen+Dec 16 2003, 03:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Palmaneen @ Dec 16 2003, 03:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I know that a majority of the population is christian, but I can't understand why christmas is bigger than most other holidays. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> you just answered your own question. the majority of the world is Christian. sry.
edit: move to another country? =\
<!--QuoteBegin--UltimaGecko+ above--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ above)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->5. The fact there are NO good versions of We Three Kings...my favorite (and really only good) Christmas song.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well the movie with ice cube, mark wahlberg, and george clooney was really f***ing cool. surreal at times, overall a very appealing movie =]
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
Yes, 3 kings does friken rock (yes I have it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
Also as a note: The reason why XMas is so big is b/c it is one of the primary holidays of one of the primary religions.
Hanucha is NOT a major holiday <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->(it is basicaly big b/c it is around the same time as XMas <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
Oh and for random fun things, I finaly actualy figgured out where the entire gift giving thing comes from <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> (well the christian angle atleast)
The wise men. They came and on that day game their gifts, thus the giving gifts things is not TOPTALY friken random <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> I never actualy figgured this out before a few days ago <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Thansal+Dec 16 2003, 07:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thansal @ Dec 16 2003, 07:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The wise men. They came and on that day game their gifts, thus the giving gifts things is not TOPTALY friken random <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah it's not that random, if you don't count that, aside from gold, they gave him frankincense and myrrh. that's where the custom of mistaken and idiotic gift choices comes from =3
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'><i>weeee three kinggggs be stealin teh gooold...</i></span>
If you don't spend ridiculous amounts of cash this christmas, the terrorists have already won. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
ThansalThe New ScumJoin Date: 2002-08-22Member: 1215Members, Constellation
hush jammer, just hush
/me goes back to searching for recepies for cool cookies (any one got some? AND NO 'special' ingrediants mates <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
/me goes back to searching for recepies for cool cookies (any one got some? AND NO 'special' ingrediants mates <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> my mom makes BADDDDAAAAASSSSSS oatmeal cookies.
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'><i>it doesn't compensate for her being such a raging b*tch, but..</i></span>
yeah good cookies. if i find the recipies sometime i'll give it to ya, no problem.
Despite Christmas being nowhere near Jesus' actual birthday (that would be sometime in the April area), we still 'celebrate' Christmas. It's more of an excuse to give each other little gifts and get together. We do read Luke 2, about the birth of Jesus Christ, but we realize that Christ asked us to remember His death, not His birth.
I understand that Christmas is a Pagan/Catholic holiday that has become commercialized, and that it truly has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. But the stores are all stocked, the homes are warm and cozy, and the family and relatives need cheering up in the 'S.A.D' winter times. It works out well.
<!--QuoteBegin--esuna+Dec 15 2003, 10:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Dec 15 2003, 10:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry for this rant, i guarentee i will end up getting flamed for it, but i just want it off my chest.
I hate Christmas. Seriously.
First of all, i'm not religious at all, so that rules out any involvement i may have with the holiday on it's "true" meaning. I don't mean to spark a religious discussion here at all, this isn't the place, this is just a fact.
If i could just say "Sorry, i don't believe in the meaning of Christmas, so i won't be buying you presents this year", i'd be happy. But no. It makes me feel too sodding bad. I feel because other people are buying me presents, i have to buy them something. I hate it, it's so forced. I don't have a clue what to buy my parents, they are the WORST people to buy anything for. So i never end up getting them anything that they want or will find useful. So essentially, i've just wasted my money on something they'll throw in the cupboard and will never see the light of day again.
I really can't stand being forced to buy people crap. I'm not a skinflint, i am actually a generous person when i have the money to spare, but i just don't see <b>why</b> i should buy people things for no reason i believe in at all. Let's run through my list of stuff i have chosen for people.
My dad: Golf accessories. He plays about 3 times a week so no problem there this year. My mum: No idea. Seriously. None. My brother: Not a clue, he has virtually everything he needs, and what he does need i couldn't possibly afford (At present, new furniture for his house, etc). My nephew: Not a clue, i usually leave this up to my parents since i have no clue what 2 year olds want My girlfriend: Some rare Nightmare Before Christmas collectables, View Askew collectables, a song i wrote and am about to record for her, not sure what else.
Barring my girlfriend, none of this is of any real value, it'll just result in the usual tense "Oh, great... thanks" reply that everyone gives at Christmas for unwanted crap. I'm actually trying to give my girlfriend something that money can't buy. But anyway, moving onto my next point.
"The season of goodwill"
Shut up, i will staple your forhead to a car for bringing this up to me. People act like arseholes and jerks all year round, what makes this day any different. Someone who is being a total moron might stop and be nice for a day, but it's fake. It's forced. I prefer people to be honest than just lie straight out to your face. If you act like a moron on any other day, why not act like a moron on December 25th, it would make everyone feel better not to be lied to.
But anyway, that's the end of my nonsense ramblings.
*Dons flameproof overalls*
*EDIT: Can anyone give me a <b>valid</b> reason as to why i should celebrate Christmas (Read: buy presents) other than through obligation or guilt. Remember though, i've already stated i'm not religious, and that's not going to change any time soon. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't like you.
DY357LXPlaying since day 1. Still can't Comm.EnglandJoin Date: 2002-10-27Member: 1651Members, Constellation
I agree with bits of what MonsieurEvil said. Different bits because we're obviously very different people <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I like giving people gifts because I like seeing other people happy. But like Esuna said... buying gifts for family and friends is difficult. Over the past few years, whenever I have asked my Mum/Dad/Sister what they would like for Christmas I would get the same old response "nothing, it's ok.". If I turned up at my Mum's house on Christmas day and said "oh, I didn't get you anything because you said you didn't want anything" she'd freak. My sister would probably find projectiles and things to throw at me (thats her way of 'arguing from a distance' and her aim has greatly improved over the past few months). And my Dad would speak to me even less than he already does :-/
Anyways..... as long as my family and close friends are happy, that will do me nicely. On a side note: I hope it snows over here in the North-West UK because I love it :-D (big kid at heart me!)
<!--QuoteBegin--TenSix+Dec 16 2003, 10:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TenSix @ Dec 16 2003, 10:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--DiscoZombie+Dec 15 2003, 11:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Dec 15 2003, 11:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I guess there's a reason it's the time of year that boasts the most suicides... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <a href='http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/suicide.asp' target='_blank'>Actually, no it dosen't.</a> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyhow back on topic, if your going to be so damn grudgingly happy about Christmas then I for one would rather <i>not</i> get a present from you at all. If you don't want to buy gifts then don't buy gifts, whats hard about this.
**** I don't even have money to buy gifts, my mom just bought a new house that we move into in January. So this Christmas there will be no gifts. Big freaking woot, I'll deal with it. You have 2 parents and a girlfriend, which is more then what I have, be freaking happy about that and stop posting about how freaking awful it is to get gifts from people who love you. Jesus, this time last year my dad was drunk and kicking in the front door just before the cops came to throw him out. And your posting here because boo freaking hoo "I have no reason to celebrate Christmas"?!
Maybe if you were the one who had no job, no girlfriend, no father, and lived in a 2 bedroom house in which nothing works, and had no friends who gave a **** about you. Maybe then you would be freaking thankful for what you have. So cut the **** about why you should buy gifts for Christmas, buy them, put a smile on your face, and let those around you have their day of happiness without having to hear about why Johnny dosen't believe in God.
Yeah, I'm having a bad freaking morning. But at least I freaking know and appreciate the value of what I <b>do</b> have, because I know that however awful my life may seem to me its 10x worse for somone else out there.
So in closing, Merry Christmas. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I love you man <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->, your life sounds 100% like mine, are you shure your not me?
I feel pretty much the same way Esuna. More power too you for being one of the few who will openly say it.
I never know what to buy anyone and I always feel like such an **** because I'm afraid they just wont like what I got them. I would do the gift card thing but it feels so impersonal. I'd make them something but then I feel cheap. It's a lose lose situation.
I wasn't going to buy anything at all this year, I even made a point of asking for nothing (literally saying just don't get me anything please). But my dad gave me $200 to spend for gifts now and really wants me to get people things...with 9...er 8 shopping days. Great <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--esuna+Dec 15 2003, 07:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Dec 15 2003, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--[LoDw]keef+Dec 16 2003, 03:39 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([LoDw]keef @ Dec 16 2003, 03:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <span style='color:Red'>***NUKED***</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <span style='color:Red'>***NUKED***</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *Is so glad he can goto eediots forum, where, despite being a mod, can guarentee people that they are free of moderator wrath*
<!--QuoteBegin--Supra_Soldier+Dec 16 2003, 05:45 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Supra_Soldier @ Dec 16 2003, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--TenSix+Dec 16 2003, 10:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TenSix @ Dec 16 2003, 10:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--DiscoZombie+Dec 15 2003, 11:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Dec 15 2003, 11:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I guess there's a reason it's the time of year that boasts the most suicides... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <a href='http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/suicide.asp' target='_blank'>Actually, no it dosen't.</a> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyhow back on topic, if your going to be so damn grudgingly happy about Christmas then I for one would rather <i>not</i> get a present from you at all. If you don't want to buy gifts then don't buy gifts, whats hard about this.
**** I don't even have money to buy gifts, my mom just bought a new house that we move into in January. So this Christmas there will be no gifts. Big freaking woot, I'll deal with it. You have 2 parents and a girlfriend, which is more then what I have, be freaking happy about that and stop posting about how freaking awful it is to get gifts from people who love you. Jesus, this time last year my dad was drunk and kicking in the front door just before the cops came to throw him out. And your posting here because boo freaking hoo "I have no reason to celebrate Christmas"?!
Maybe if you were the one who had no job, no girlfriend, no father, and lived in a 2 bedroom house in which nothing works, and had no friends who gave a **** about you. Maybe then you would be freaking thankful for what you have. So cut the **** about why you should buy gifts for Christmas, buy them, put a smile on your face, and let those around you have their day of happiness without having to hear about why Johnny dosen't believe in God.
Yeah, I'm having a bad freaking morning. But at least I freaking know and appreciate the value of what I <b>do</b> have, because I know that however awful my life may seem to me its 10x worse for somone else out there.
So in closing, Merry Christmas. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I love you man <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->, your life sounds 100% like mine, are you shure your not me? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree wholeheartedly. I can't stand people whining and complaining about the little nuisances in life; just grin and bear it cause it's a damn sight better than having nothing at all.
*sigh* I think you guys are missing the real meaning of Christmas <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--esuna+Dec 24 2003, 10:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Dec 24 2003, 10:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But what is the "real meaning of Christmas". I've already stated i'm not Christian, so any religious aspects go out of the window. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you don't know the true meaning of Christmas, and you aren't Christian, then how can you rant about Christmas? For some people it is more then just buying gifts for lots of people. I just don't understand how you can complain about something you don't even understand.
<!--QuoteBegin--Jane+Dec 16 2003, 07:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jane @ Dec 16 2003, 07:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *sigh* I think you guys are missing the real meaning of Christmas <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And that would be birth of Christ? Damn, this is some deep stuff.
The meaning of Christmas is for snot-nosed suburbian rich kids to get highly overpricecd gifts they don't need or deserve. What they deserve is a kick in the eye. I hate Christmas. I hate religion. I hate everything Christmas stands for. I hate most of my family. Bah-humbug.
Christmas, just like any other holiday, is a day like any other day. You can put as much or as little significance into the day as you wish. Its a great excuse to spend money, its a precursor to New Years, and for most people its a paid day off. Maybe in an drunken egg-nogg induced stupor they will realize that their lives are being exploited by the system they help support and they need to change their way of life. Maybe in a drunken egg-nogg induced stupor they will realize how similar their lampshade is to a sombrero and get a massive urge to eat burritos. Or maybe they will spend the day loafing around on the couch scratching themselves and cursing about the lack of variety on tv.
If you have a problem picking out gifts for people try this unorthodox approach: ASK THEM WHAT THEY WANT!
If you dont feel like spending money and feel guilt about getting gifts from others: Tell them not to do it, and if they absolutely insist on spending money on you tell them to donate your gift to a charity (MonsE mentioned a good one)
<!--QuoteBegin--Jane+Dec 24 2003, 10:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jane @ Dec 24 2003, 10:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--esuna+Dec 24 2003, 10:01 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Dec 24 2003, 10:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But what is the "real meaning of Christmas". I've already stated i'm not Christian, so any religious aspects go out of the window. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you don't know the true meaning of Christmas, and you aren't Christian, then how can you rant about Christmas? For some people it is more then just buying gifts for lots of people. I just don't understand how you can complain about something you don't even understand. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you believe in Christ and God, etc, great, that's your thing, it's not mine. Feel free to celebrate it how you feel, i'll choose to whine about it how i feel too.
*EDIT: In other words, i don't tread over your beliefs, don't tread on mine.
I love christmas. I love giving and getting presents too.
The occasional useless gift passes around but it can usually be fobbed off to someone else as a present later. I don't feel obliged to buy presents for anyone. If I feel like it I'll buy one for them. There's no rule that says if you recieve a present from somone you have to buy them one. That's just being a scrooge.
It's a time when you can get together with your family and friends.
I couldn't give a rat's arse for the religious side of things.
You should try to look at christmas with a more relaxed attitude. It isn't a compulsary thing to be nice to people. On the subject, are you able to be nice to people voluntarily? Or is every smidgen of niceness a front?
Here in Australia everyone's nice to everyone else, even strangers. Except when they're drunk...
<!--QuoteBegin--Scythe+Dec 25 2003, 12:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scythe @ Dec 25 2003, 12:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> On the subject, are you able to be nice to people voluntarily? Or is every smidgen of niceness a front? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't speak for everyone. But for me? Yes. Yes it is a front. I'm a gigantic **** at heart who hates everyone. I love myself.
AllUrHiveRblong2usBy Your Powers Combined...Join Date: 2002-12-20Member: 11244Members
edited December 2003
I like chiristmas, for one. For 2 reasons: 1)A Christmas Story on TV about a million times. I could watch that movie for days. Just watched the first one, probly gonna watch it 2 times more before the night is out. 2)I like to give people gifts. Even though I suck at buying gifts for people, I just like to give presents at christmas time. This year I went down to suncoast and bought most of my gifts there, (except for a few people who I bought specific gifts, mostly animal themed as it turns out. Go me.) wrapped em in tinfoil and wrote a little funny blurb on em to act as a card, and gave em to people. I got presents for nearly all of my close friends, and only recieved 2 back, which is more than I excpected.
Christmas doesn't have to "Mean" anything if you don't want it to. Even when I still held on to what little faith in christianity I ever had I never held any misconcenptions about Jesus being born on that day. To me it just sets a convenient date for me to buy stuff for people, and I like it that way.
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<a href='http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/suicide.asp' target='_blank'>Actually, no it dosen't.</a> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyhow back on topic, if your going to be so damn grudgingly happy about Christmas then I for one would rather <i>not</i> get a present from you at all. If you don't want to buy gifts then don't buy gifts, whats hard about this.
**** I don't even have money to buy gifts, my mom just bought a new house that we move into in January. So this Christmas there will be no gifts. Big freaking woot, I'll deal with it. You have 2 parents and a girlfriend, which is more then what I have, be freaking happy about that and stop posting about how freaking awful it is to get gifts from people who love you. Jesus, this time last year my dad was drunk and kicking in the front door just before the cops came to throw him out. And your posting here because boo freaking hoo "I have no reason to celebrate Christmas"?!
Maybe if you were the one who had no job, no girlfriend, no father, and lived in a 2 bedroom house in which nothing works, and had no friends who gave a **** about you. Maybe then you would be freaking thankful for what you have. So cut the **** about why you should buy gifts for Christmas, buy them, put a smile on your face, and let those around you have their day of happiness without having to hear about why Johnny dosen't believe in God.
Yeah, I'm having a bad freaking morning. But at least I freaking know and appreciate the value of what I <b>do</b> have, because I know that however awful my life may seem to me its 10x worse for somone else out there.
So in closing, Merry Christmas.
rofl
Yes
Anyways. To the person who said you live in "hellifornia" I live in cali too. There is snow...go up to Snow Summit, Big Bear, Mt. High, Mammoth for snow <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'm going snowboarding sometime soon anyways. I want a NS sticker for my K2 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
people who live in california and say "GO NORTH" or "GO TO COLORADO"
f*** that.
have you ever woken up in your house, still-warmed by the dreary embers of last night's raging fire, smoking in the hearth...
have you ever gotten up from the makeshift bed you made there, to go to the window laced with crystal frost...
to see a young doe staring intently at you, ears twitching, mere feet from you?
and then you put on your boots and mittens, still in your pajamas, to go up to her, and she hops away, four others following her that you didn't see before, loping silently through the 3 feet of perfect #FFFFFF snow?
no snowboarding tracks, no ski lifts, no lodge smoke in the distance. just trees iced with the third state of water, and what a strange and beautiful stage it is to you, on christmas day.
i miss New York. -_-
you just answered your own question. the majority of the world is Christian. sry.
edit: move to another country? =\
<!--QuoteBegin--UltimaGecko+ above--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UltimaGecko @ above)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->5. The fact there are NO good versions of We Three Kings...my favorite (and really only good) Christmas song.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well the movie with ice cube, mark wahlberg, and george clooney was really f***ing cool. surreal at times, overall a very appealing movie =]
Also as a note:
The reason why XMas is so big is b/c it is one of the primary holidays of one of the primary religions.
Hanucha is NOT a major holiday <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->(it is basicaly big b/c it is around the same time as XMas <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
Oh and for random fun things, I finaly actualy figgured out where the entire gift giving thing comes from <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> (well the christian angle atleast)
The wise men. They came and on that day game their gifts, thus the giving gifts things is not TOPTALY friken random <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
I never actualy figgured this out before a few days ago <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
yeah it's not that random, if you don't count that, aside from gold, they gave him frankincense and myrrh. that's where the custom of mistaken and idiotic gift choices comes from =3
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'><i>weeee three kinggggs be stealin teh gooold...</i></span>
/me goes back to searching for recepies for cool cookies (any one got some? AND NO 'special' ingrediants mates <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
/me goes back to searching for recepies for cool cookies (any one got some? AND NO 'special' ingrediants mates <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
my mom makes BADDDDAAAAASSSSSS oatmeal cookies.
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'><i>it doesn't compensate for her being such a raging b*tch, but..</i></span>
yeah good cookies. if i find the recipies sometime i'll give it to ya, no problem.
I understand that Christmas is a Pagan/Catholic holiday that has become commercialized, and that it truly has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus Christ. But the stores are all stocked, the homes are warm and cozy, and the family and relatives need cheering up in the 'S.A.D' winter times. It works out well.
I hate Christmas. Seriously.
First of all, i'm not religious at all, so that rules out any involvement i may have with the holiday on it's "true" meaning. I don't mean to spark a religious discussion here at all, this isn't the place, this is just a fact.
If i could just say "Sorry, i don't believe in the meaning of Christmas, so i won't be buying you presents this year", i'd be happy. But no. It makes me feel too sodding bad. I feel because other people are buying me presents, i have to buy them something. I hate it, it's so forced. I don't have a clue what to buy my parents, they are the WORST people to buy anything for. So i never end up getting them anything that they want or will find useful. So essentially, i've just wasted my money on something they'll throw in the cupboard and will never see the light of day again.
I really can't stand being forced to buy people crap. I'm not a skinflint, i am actually a generous person when i have the money to spare, but i just don't see <b>why</b> i should buy people things for no reason i believe in at all. Let's run through my list of stuff i have chosen for people.
My dad: Golf accessories. He plays about 3 times a week so no problem there this year.
My mum: No idea. Seriously. None.
My brother: Not a clue, he has virtually everything he needs, and what he does need i couldn't possibly afford (At present, new furniture for his house, etc).
My nephew: Not a clue, i usually leave this up to my parents since i have no clue what 2 year olds want
My girlfriend: Some rare Nightmare Before Christmas collectables, View Askew collectables, a song i wrote and am about to record for her, not sure what else.
Barring my girlfriend, none of this is of any real value, it'll just result in the usual tense "Oh, great... thanks" reply that everyone gives at Christmas for unwanted crap. I'm actually trying to give my girlfriend something that money can't buy. But anyway, moving onto my next point.
"The season of goodwill"
Shut up, i will staple your forhead to a car for bringing this up to me. People act like arseholes and jerks all year round, what makes this day any different. Someone who is being a total moron might stop and be nice for a day, but it's fake. It's forced. I prefer people to be honest than just lie straight out to your face. If you act like a moron on any other day, why not act like a moron on December 25th, it would make everyone feel better not to be lied to.
But anyway, that's the end of my nonsense ramblings.
*Dons flameproof overalls*
*EDIT: Can anyone give me a <b>valid</b> reason as to why i should celebrate Christmas (Read: buy presents) other than through obligation or guilt. Remember though, i've already stated i'm not religious, and that's not going to change any time soon. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't like you.
Different bits because we're obviously very different people <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I like giving people gifts because I like seeing other people
happy. But like Esuna said... buying gifts for family and friends
is difficult. Over the past few years, whenever I have asked my
Mum/Dad/Sister what they would like for Christmas I would get
the same old response "nothing, it's ok.".
If I turned up at my Mum's house on Christmas day and said
"oh, I didn't get you anything because you said you didn't want anything"
she'd freak. My sister would probably find projectiles and things
to throw at me (thats her way of 'arguing from a distance' and her
aim has greatly improved over the past few months).
And my Dad would speak to me even less than he already does :-/
Anyways..... as long as my family and close friends are happy,
that will do me nicely.
On a side note: I hope it snows over here in the North-West UK
because I love it :-D (big kid at heart me!)
<a href='http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/suicide.asp' target='_blank'>Actually, no it dosen't.</a> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyhow back on topic, if your going to be so damn grudgingly happy about Christmas then I for one would rather <i>not</i> get a present from you at all. If you don't want to buy gifts then don't buy gifts, whats hard about this.
**** I don't even have money to buy gifts, my mom just bought a new house that we move into in January. So this Christmas there will be no gifts. Big freaking woot, I'll deal with it. You have 2 parents and a girlfriend, which is more then what I have, be freaking happy about that and stop posting about how freaking awful it is to get gifts from people who love you. Jesus, this time last year my dad was drunk and kicking in the front door just before the cops came to throw him out. And your posting here because boo freaking hoo "I have no reason to celebrate Christmas"?!
Maybe if you were the one who had no job, no girlfriend, no father, and lived in a 2 bedroom house in which nothing works, and had no friends who gave a **** about you. Maybe then you would be freaking thankful for what you have. So cut the **** about why you should buy gifts for Christmas, buy them, put a smile on your face, and let those around you have their day of happiness without having to hear about why Johnny dosen't believe in God.
Yeah, I'm having a bad freaking morning. But at least I freaking know and appreciate the value of what I <b>do</b> have, because I know that however awful my life may seem to me its 10x worse for somone else out there.
So in closing, Merry Christmas. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I love you man <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->, your life sounds 100% like mine, are you shure your not me?
I never know what to buy anyone and I always feel like such an **** because I'm afraid they just wont like what I got them. I would do the gift card thing but it feels so impersonal. I'd make them something but then I feel cheap. It's a lose lose situation.
I wasn't going to buy anything at all this year, I even made a point of asking for nothing (literally saying just don't get me anything please). But my dad gave me $200 to spend for gifts now and really wants me to get people things...with 9...er 8 shopping days. Great <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<span style='color:Red'>***NUKED***</span> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
*Is so glad he can goto eediots forum, where, despite being a mod, can guarentee people that they are free of moderator wrath*
<a href='http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/suicide.asp' target='_blank'>Actually, no it dosen't.</a> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Anyhow back on topic, if your going to be so damn grudgingly happy about Christmas then I for one would rather <i>not</i> get a present from you at all. If you don't want to buy gifts then don't buy gifts, whats hard about this.
**** I don't even have money to buy gifts, my mom just bought a new house that we move into in January. So this Christmas there will be no gifts. Big freaking woot, I'll deal with it. You have 2 parents and a girlfriend, which is more then what I have, be freaking happy about that and stop posting about how freaking awful it is to get gifts from people who love you. Jesus, this time last year my dad was drunk and kicking in the front door just before the cops came to throw him out. And your posting here because boo freaking hoo "I have no reason to celebrate Christmas"?!
Maybe if you were the one who had no job, no girlfriend, no father, and lived in a 2 bedroom house in which nothing works, and had no friends who gave a **** about you. Maybe then you would be freaking thankful for what you have. So cut the **** about why you should buy gifts for Christmas, buy them, put a smile on your face, and let those around you have their day of happiness without having to hear about why Johnny dosen't believe in God.
Yeah, I'm having a bad freaking morning. But at least I freaking know and appreciate the value of what I <b>do</b> have, because I know that however awful my life may seem to me its 10x worse for somone else out there.
So in closing, Merry Christmas. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I love you man <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->, your life sounds 100% like mine, are you shure your not me? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree wholeheartedly. I can't stand people whining and complaining about the little nuisances in life; just grin and bear it cause it's a damn sight better than having nothing at all.
Screw that meaning, i'm vegetarian too. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
But what is the "real meaning of Christmas". I've already stated i'm not Christian, so any religious aspects go out of the window.
*EDIT: Threadromancy. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
If you don't know the true meaning of Christmas, and you aren't Christian, then how can you rant about Christmas? For some people it is more then just buying gifts for lots of people. I just don't understand how you can complain about something you don't even understand.
And that would be birth of Christ? Damn, this is some deep stuff.
If you have a problem picking out gifts for people try this unorthodox approach: ASK THEM WHAT THEY WANT!
If you dont feel like spending money and feel guilt about getting gifts from others: Tell them not to do it, and if they absolutely insist on spending money on you tell them to donate your gift to a charity (MonsE mentioned a good one)
my $0.02
For guys: Gift Certifigates / money
If you don't know the true meaning of Christmas, and you aren't Christian, then how can you rant about Christmas? For some people it is more then just buying gifts for lots of people. I just don't understand how you can complain about something you don't even understand. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you believe in Christ and God, etc, great, that's your thing, it's not mine. Feel free to celebrate it how you feel, i'll choose to whine about it how i feel too.
*EDIT: In other words, i don't tread over your beliefs, don't tread on mine.
The occasional useless gift passes around but it can usually be fobbed off to someone else as a present later. I don't feel obliged to buy presents for anyone. If I feel like it I'll buy one for them. There's no rule that says if you recieve a present from somone you have to buy them one. That's just being a scrooge.
It's a time when you can get together with your family and friends.
I couldn't give a rat's arse for the religious side of things.
You should try to look at christmas with a more relaxed attitude. It isn't a compulsary thing to be nice to people. On the subject, are you able to be nice to people voluntarily? Or is every smidgen of niceness a front?
Here in Australia everyone's nice to everyone else, even strangers. Except when they're drunk...
--Scythe--
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I don't speak for everyone. But for me? Yes. Yes it is a front. I'm a gigantic **** at heart who hates everyone. I love myself.
/me retires from the NS forums until after Christmas, laters all
<span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:red'>Ha</span><span style='color:green'>pp</span><span style='color:blue'>y H</span><span style='color:orange'>oli</span><span style='color:yellow'>da</span><span style='color:purple'>ys</span> </span><--- does that work?
Christmas doesn't have to "Mean" anything if you don't want it to. Even when I still held on to what little faith in christianity I ever had I never held any misconcenptions about Jesus being born on that day. To me it just sets a convenient date for me to buy stuff for people, and I like it that way.
RARGH!! jobless. i had to dip into my secret emergency apocalypse-ration reserve of money to buy presents ;_;
edit: but as soon as SOMEBODY restocks, it's time for MARVEL VERSUS CAPCOM 2!!!! FOR EKSBOCS!!