<!--QuoteBegin--BrigadierWolf+Dec 5 2003, 06:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BrigadierWolf @ Dec 5 2003, 06:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> naw, the OICW was scrapped last I heard, I think the Germans are still developing it tho. And Like I said.. they just issued new M4's. A weapon being old is not, and never has been a reason to replace it. Even the old 1911's are still in use with many US forces cause its more reliable than Berettas. And I asked a bunch of higher ups, and none of em have ever heard of the XM8.. (The X in XM stands for Experimental... so, Accordingly, you can see its still in the development stages.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i thought the 1911s were officaly taken out of the military
The 1911 is no longer standard-issue in the US Armed Forces, no. However, there are still many M1911s still in our inventory, mostly in use by the various special forces units; SEALs, Rangers, AFSOC, etc. In fact, a number of units in Marine Force Recon flatly refused to switch over to the M9 until ordered to do so in 1993 by a government mandate.
And I wouldn't be so quick as to say the OICW was "cancelled". It is, however, being reevaluated by Aliant and H&K after an incident where a 20mm grenade detonated in the chamber. That doesn't mean we'll never see it in the future.
I doubt the DoD would be seriously considering the XM-8 this late in the development process if they were not moderately sure that their new toy exceeded the limitations of our current service rifles.
No, Jaeger, Im fairly certain the XM29 Saber was cancelled. Aside from Killing its users, It was also found to be too bulky and cumbersome for effective deployment. And, Im also pretty sure we wont be seeing it in any considerable numbers in the future. It was a flawed design from the start. And it turned out to be an overgrown M203. It will go down the same road as the XM106, CAWS, and Steyr ACR.
And as for the 1911 not being Standard issue anymore.... well, It is. In fact its the standard issue sidearm of the Navy Construction Battalion (SeaBees), as well as the Standard Issue Sidearm for Navy SEALs. (With the exception of Seal Team 6, they use the P226). And, in 2008, It will have been the Sidearm of the USMC for 100 years, since they never officially adopted the M9.... then again, they never officially adopted the M16, either.
<!--QuoteBegin--Palmaneen+Dec 5 2003, 07:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Palmaneen @ Dec 5 2003, 07:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I must say, wow! I saw this rifle first in the post by burncycle some months ago, but he only included those concept scans. This is the first real pics of it I've seen. Is it that rifle that will be standard issue in the US Army? If so, then I'm really looking forward to when they include it in the game Americas Army <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes it is the rifle that will start being issued in 2005.
But I doubt it will make it into AA.
Edit: Brig, the XM-29 has not been scrapped. The project is on hold due to the amount of problems that have come up, but I doubt we will see it issued before 2008.
<!--QuoteBegin--BrigadierWolf+Dec 6 2003, 02:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BrigadierWolf @ Dec 6 2003, 02:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well, Whats funny, Is that I can name at least 5 weapons "Intended" to replace the Ar-15 as the US service Rifle. However, there are a number of reasons why Any replacement will not be at least for a number of years. First off, The M16 was first issued 46 years ago. Since that time, It has been modified several times based on the requirements of soldiers on the field. At the current time, Its the most reliable, battle proven rifle in the world, along with the AKM. It isnt without considerable testing that any rifle will ever replace it, Because along with a new weapon, you need to reissue all equipment relating to the use of said weapon. You need to also retrain every soldier in the use of the new weapon. In addition, you need to find some use for the Millions of rifles already in use. Its an enormously expensive process. And, to top it off, theres no way to tell that after 5 years, some Huge problem is not going to just pop up and require all THOSE rifles to be recalled. Also.. a Rifle made almost entirely of plastic will likely never be chosen to replace a weapon that millions of US soldiers depending on to work in all conditions, without fail. you can run an M16 over with a jeep over and over again and it will still work.. the same can likely not be said for a rifle made even out of the strongest Plastics and laminates. Even the AUG, when tested with Marine Corps recon units, Couldnt stand up to the harsh treatment and dismal conditions. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> your very right. i put in the forms for an exchange of my sa80 for an m16a1 because its;
lighter ergonomic powerful faster rof
i hate my SA80, it jammed 3 times whilst doing sum light work on the range <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And as for the 1911 not being Standard issue anymore.... well, It is. In fact its the standard issue sidearm of the Navy Construction Battalion (SeaBees), as well as the Standard Issue Sidearm for Navy SEALs. (With the exception of Seal Team 6, they use the P226). And, in 2008, It will have been the Sidearm of the USMC for 100 years, since they never officially adopted the M9.... then again, they never officially adopted the M16, either.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
once again he's right. the 1911 isnt my personal choice when on duty (not all that light) but it is very good for how old it is.
OK, Lukin, serisouly now, Im really sorry to tell you, But Ill repeat myself. The M29 Saber was scrapped. And Once more, If the M16 was being replaced, I would have known about it, Hell, Id probably have a new rifle right now. well, maybe after Marine Recon. I mean, I *could*conceivably be wrong, But... Im not.
I think the army got the first 30 or so prototypes in november, so it's not strange that you don't have one Brigadier <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
The XM8....aaah yes , the gun that is sead to replace the m4 ( or m16 ) i like the futuristic look of it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Note: I haven't heared anything about the M29 being scraped, officially that is, but i have heared from numerous people that it indeed is scraped...well...is it? ? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--sheena yanai+Dec 7 2003, 11:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Dec 7 2003, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the xm8 will not be produced in this design... the final one will look more like the g36 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Are you really sure about that? I thought that design was the old one. <a href='http://world.guns.ru/assault/as61-e.htm' target='_blank'>World.guns.ru</a> changed their site not long ago, and the one seen there now is what was sent to the army. I haven't seen any pictures of the design you have there other than that one and there are plenty of the other.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the xm8 will not be produced in this design... the final one will look more like the g36 <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That design makes more sense to me sheena, but as far as I know it was just an early concept artwork. It really does look like they're continuing with the fugly version <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Hey, why do everyone keep calling it ugly? I love it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Because it's ugly. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> You love an ugly, and tacky thing. You should feel dirty <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Well, I wasn't the one who modelled it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> Now, someone, please skin and animate it!
the pics on wg are old :-/ i have seen them very long time ago.. the toyish looking one is just a initial design study.. ones who are maybe delivered to the army would be test models.. this have nothing to do with the design of the gun. steyr delivered a lot of its aug77 prototypes to the austrian army for field testing reasons.. it looked complete different to the final one (it looked similar to the steyr acr) ... the last design before it changed again for mass production was this one here
yeah duo.. it does not look like "that".. the final one will look more like the g36...
otherwise this gun will get a laughter on every mission.. dont cover me with that nerf blaster.. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
It's funny then that they are already showing videos of working prototypes with the ugly design <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Burncycle+Dec 7 2003, 04:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Burncycle @ Dec 7 2003, 04:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's funny then that they are already showing videos of working prototypes with the ugly design <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> because its working <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> never seen a movie of a concept car? its called like the finished product.. its working like the finished product.. maybe it got features like the finished one... but most of the time they look different... with lots of eyecandy nobody can effort..
the P2 oicw was the best example... they showed a slim light,nice looking weapon without working grenadelauncher and targetingcomputer... the real thing was way bigger.... bulky... but practical..
We'll just have to see <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
NOTE: all credits go to DreBBin on the ms3d boards. try and persuade him to give you his model.
<!--QuoteBegin--DreBBin on the MS3d forums+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DreBBin on the MS3d forums)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->H&k Xm8 Greetings all, It's been a while since I've modelled something, and being in a heckler&koch kinda mood I headed over to the site to see if I could find anything and this was on the front page so I thought I'd have a go at modelling it. The pc is around 4k, mainly cos there is a hell of a lot of rounded areas and stuff that didnt show up in the renders, as well as a lot of undeleted faces which can't be seen anyway . I didn't know what to do with the scope so I just went with the standard design in one of the pics. Enjoy, opinions welcome<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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i thought the 1911s were officaly taken out of the military
And I wouldn't be so quick as to say the OICW was "cancelled". It is, however, being reevaluated by Aliant and H&K after an incident where a 20mm grenade detonated in the chamber. That doesn't mean we'll never see it in the future.
I doubt the DoD would be seriously considering the XM-8 this late in the development process if they were not moderately sure that their new toy exceeded the limitations of our current service rifles.
And as for the 1911 not being Standard issue anymore.... well, It is. In fact its the standard issue sidearm of the Navy Construction Battalion (SeaBees), as well as the Standard Issue Sidearm for Navy SEALs. (With the exception of Seal Team 6, they use the P226). And, in 2008, It will have been the Sidearm of the USMC for 100 years, since they never officially adopted the M9.... then again, they never officially adopted the M16, either.
I saw this rifle first in the post by burncycle some months ago, but he only included those concept scans. This is the first real pics of it I've seen. Is it that rifle that will be standard issue in the US Army? If so, then I'm really looking forward to when they include it in the game Americas Army <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes it is the rifle that will start being issued in 2005.
But I doubt it will make it into AA.
Edit: Brig, the XM-29 has not been scrapped. The project is on hold due to the amount of problems that have come up, but I doubt we will see it issued before 2008.
your very right. i put in the forms for an exchange of my sa80 for an m16a1 because its;
lighter
ergonomic
powerful
faster rof
i hate my SA80, it jammed 3 times whilst doing sum light work on the range <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And as for the 1911 not being Standard issue anymore.... well, It is. In fact its the standard issue sidearm of the Navy Construction Battalion (SeaBees), as well as the Standard Issue Sidearm for Navy SEALs. (With the exception of Seal Team 6, they use the P226). And, in 2008, It will have been the Sidearm of the USMC for 100 years, since they never officially adopted the M9.... then again, they never officially adopted the M16, either.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
once again he's right. the 1911 isnt my personal choice when on duty (not all that light) but it is very good for how old it is.
And Once more, If the M16 was being replaced, I would have known about it, Hell, Id probably have a new rifle right now. well, maybe after Marine Recon. I mean, I *could*conceivably be wrong, But... Im not.
Speak for yourself <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Note: I haven't heared anything about the M29 being scraped, officially that is, but i have heared from numerous people that it indeed is scraped...well...is it? ? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Are you really sure about that? I thought that design was the old one.
<a href='http://world.guns.ru/assault/as61-e.htm' target='_blank'>World.guns.ru</a> changed their site not long ago, and the one seen there now is what was sent to the army. I haven't seen any pictures of the design you have there other than that one and there are plenty of the other.
That design makes more sense to me sheena, but as far as I know it was just an early concept artwork. It really does look like they're continuing with the fugly version <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
Now, someone, please skin and animate it!
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/uploads/post-19-1070814552.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
otherwise this gun will get a laughter on every mission.. dont cover me with that nerf blaster.. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I told him to post it here...
because its working <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
never seen a movie of a concept car? its called like the finished product.. its working like the finished product.. maybe it got features like the finished one... but most of the time they look different... with lots of eyecandy nobody can effort..
the P2 oicw was the best example... they showed a slim light,nice looking weapon without working grenadelauncher and targetingcomputer...
the real thing was way bigger.... bulky... but practical..
<!--QuoteBegin--DreBBin on the MS3d forums+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DreBBin on the MS3d forums)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->H&k Xm8
Greetings all,
It's been a while since I've modelled something, and being in a heckler&koch kinda mood I headed over to the site to see if I could find anything and this was on the front page so I thought I'd have a go at modelling it. The pc is around 4k, mainly cos there is a hell of a lot of rounded areas and stuff that didnt show up in the renders, as well as a lot of undeleted faces which can't be seen anyway . I didn't know what to do with the scope so I just went with the standard design in one of the pics. Enjoy, opinions welcome<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->