Dirty Fighting
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<div class="IPBDescription">Is it really wrong?</div> I haven't been in many physical fights, but I've had a few. My question for you is simple: Is there such thing as a fair fight? And do you consider "fighting dirty" a bad thing?
I, personally, do not think there is such a thing. One guy will always be bigger (usually him) or more fit, and one could have his friends there egging him on, or someone could have been caught by surprise.
And, in my opinion, if a situtation has gotten to the point of fist-fighting, everything goes. I'm out to win, no matter what it takes. I will not hesitate to pull hair, gouge eyes, kick in the nuts, get in a couple kidney-punches, bite, kick, suckerpunch, whatever i can do. I will never leave the scene of the fight or turn my back on my opponent until he is out cold on the floor. If he falls over and starts covering his face, I'll hover over him until he eventually looks up. I've seen people get hit in the back while walking away too many times to let it happen to me. If I think someone is gonna throw a punch at me in the next minute or so, I don't have a problem with hitting first.
Don't get the opinion that I start fights for no reason, because I don't, but what are your opinions on fighting? Do you put any value on honor and fairness, or are you out to win at any cost like me?
I, personally, do not think there is such a thing. One guy will always be bigger (usually him) or more fit, and one could have his friends there egging him on, or someone could have been caught by surprise.
And, in my opinion, if a situtation has gotten to the point of fist-fighting, everything goes. I'm out to win, no matter what it takes. I will not hesitate to pull hair, gouge eyes, kick in the nuts, get in a couple kidney-punches, bite, kick, suckerpunch, whatever i can do. I will never leave the scene of the fight or turn my back on my opponent until he is out cold on the floor. If he falls over and starts covering his face, I'll hover over him until he eventually looks up. I've seen people get hit in the back while walking away too many times to let it happen to me. If I think someone is gonna throw a punch at me in the next minute or so, I don't have a problem with hitting first.
Don't get the opinion that I start fights for no reason, because I don't, but what are your opinions on fighting? Do you put any value on honor and fairness, or are you out to win at any cost like me?
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If you have to, fight to win. Do not stop until the other person is no longer a threat, even if this means doing permanent damage and/or handy blunt objects.
Nowadays fighting is always a lose-lose situation. Even if you defend yourself successfully, next time you may not be able to. Nowadays they'll be looking for revenge. They may surprise you one day, not giving you a chance to fight back. They may bring friends, or a bat. Even if you defend against that bat, next time he'll bring a knife. Even if you defend against the knife, next time he may bring something more serious like a gun. See how this is getting worse instead of better, whilst you didn't do a thing wrong (defending yourself when there was no other option)?
One day they both got drunk at a pub and got into an argument over who was a better poet. So they decided to settle the score with mophandles. Williams, being the stronger man, beat Pound to the ground. Williams stood over him, laughed, and said, "who's the better poet now?" Pound looked sheepish at first, then picked up his mophandle and jabbed Williams in the eye. Williams had to be in the hospital for two weeks because of the eye wound. And every single day Pound would visit and ask him, repeatedly, "who's the better poet now?" and each time Williams conceded that Pound was, indeed, the better poet.
I don't know if that's completely true, but I don't care. That's how I want to live my life.
In an uneven fight (IE, 3 on 1) anything goes for the outnumbered party.
If dirty tactics are used by one, you have permission to use dirty tactics back.
Dont kick a man when he's down, unless he is still a threat to you.
Any teeth that happen to become dislodged from your enemy can be taken up as trophies. Blood on your clothes can also be considered trophies, so long as they cant be seen without a deliberate search.
What is the logic in this?
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Where's the logic in fighting?
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I take it from that post that you have never lived in Rockhampton Queensland Australia and ever refused a gang of aboriginal teenagers a cigarette.
For example, excessively painful moves. I will do them, but only if they offer a concrete advantage. If I have some guy by the hair, I'll pull it so I can sneak in a punch, but I won't keep pulling for the hell of it (what good does it do?).
A good thing is that this philosophy applied to a greater (world) picture rules out things like torture!
it's not that hard. i haven't had a legitimate quarrel with someone, for any reason, in over 2 years... i like to think of myself as a very proficient diplomat.
the last time i fought, i sent the kid to the hospital. i don't want to get into it, because it disgusts me and makes me feel ashamed of myself, even though he was the larger guy, and he started it.
have you ever considered "if i knew how to box" or "if i had taken kickboxing"?
i had been boxing four years when i destroyed that kid. i was 5 feet tall. he was at least 6 inches taller than i was, and probably 30 pounds extra to my 110 or so. but i just.. destroyed him. he went to the hospital comatose, and for facial injuries.
it's really.. unnecessary. just try to get along.. it's not very hard at all.
Can you really trust that the other guy is not going to low blow you or pull hair. The simple answer is no, so why should you refrain from these actions. The first couple blows normally decides a fights outcome, so I say make the first one a cheap one. So unless you and a friend agree to a "clean" fight(sparring), the fight is always going to be dirty.
If everybody practiced an eye for an eye, the whole world would be blind
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(just as a means to distract the opponent, however)
I dont play fair, i play to win.
otehr then that before that rule comes into play.. 2 things
1, never throw the first punch
2, never hit somebody you know you can beat.
When I was younger , other kids kept beating me for no reason at all. If they don't have any reason to fight you , there's no reason for you to fight back. Endure the damage like a man and get over it.
IMO, anyone who resorts to eye-gouging and hair pulling in a fight when there are other options open to them is only going by instincts, Presumably they haven't recieved any formal training.
That said, if the situation called for it. I would not hesitate to fight 'dirty'.
I, personally, do not think there is such a thing. One guy will always be bigger (usually him) or more fit, and one could have his friends there egging him on, or someone could have been caught by surprise.
And, in my opinion, if a situtation has gotten to the point of fist-fighting, everything goes. I'm out to win, no matter what it takes. I will not hesitate to pull hair, gouge eyes, kick in the nuts, get in a couple kidney-punches, bite, kick, suckerpunch, whatever i can do. I will never leave the scene of the fight or turn my back on my opponent until he is out cold on the floor. If he falls over and starts covering his face, I'll hover over him until he eventually looks up. I've seen people get hit in the back while walking away too many times to let it happen to me. If I think someone is gonna throw a punch at me in the next minute or so, I don't have a problem with hitting first.
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To my mind you should use force appropriate for the situation.
Someone trying to kill you ? Then obviously every dirty-trick/world's deadliest fighting technique goes.
Someone who's had a little too much to drink trying to get you in a "good-ol-punch-up" ? Then hopefully you've studied an art that will allow to control your opponent via some sort of joint-manipulation, for example judo,aikido,tai-chi. If you haven't then I'd say that an appropriate response would be a punch to the nose...not tearing out the guys eyeballs.
I disagree.
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You're sober, he's drunk; there is no reason you shouldn't be able to avoid fighting him. If there is no possible way, the same rules as above apply. Stop the threat.
But the usual, hair pulling, kick in the ribs while the other person is on the floor, sucker punches are all okay in my book. But I tend not to pull hair unless they have knocked off my balance so before falling I would grab their hair and take me down with them.
But the best solution of all is not to fight, it's saves you alot of trouble.
With some of these aggressors, you would be doing society a favor by removing their ability to contaiminate the gene pool any further.
Well, if you mean cheap shots, yea I advise it.
am i wrong in assuming that most of you have never engaged in much legitimate fighting? the only person i'd assume actually fights here is infinitum, when he has to defend people at his job.
otherwise, why should you need to use cliche "dirty" tactics when there are so many more that are more obscure but <i>as</i> effective for distracting your opponent or causing pain to him?
mentioned targets:
-hair - i'm bald.
-eyes - somewhat difficult to access. we're not chameleons, our eyes are somewhat receded and small.
-testicles - also somewhat difficult to access. very easy to block. nut-kicks are very visible.
-kidneys, i think someone mentioned this.. but it's not so cliche as the others. gut punches are standard, and impacts in the kidney regions are textbook. spot-on, whoever mentioned it.
ones not discussed:
-temples? a closed-fisted bash to the temple is extremely disorienting, as much as dizzying if you have a strong arm.
-neck? being punched in the neck just.. sucks, really.
-shins? we've all been kicked in the shins.
-ankles? stomping someone's ankle is one of the most distracting things that you can do. look in his eye and do that, and you can follow up with almost anything if he's like most people: not a real fighter.
-mid-thigh? one of the most common targets in muy thai kickboxing, if i recall, is the mid thigh. there's a nerve there that, if impacted heavily, will almost paralyze your leg.
what constitutes dirty fighting? targets that aren't very practical? 0_o
What I meant by "dirty fighting" was pretty much anything that is illegal in a boxing match and are typically looked upon as dishonorable.
that is all...
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and my question is WHY do those things when they're not as practical as others?