actually pulling the hair and eye poking is taught in martial arts. In my Kung Fu class we learned moves that incorperate pulling the hair and raking the face. We also learned how to perform a ocular knock out, pushing on the eyes to knock someone out from the pressure(dont try this at home kiddies).
As for kicking some one in the junk; hey if it prevents them from hitting me, so be it. Anyway, how can you be sure they won't try it on you?
and if they've done ANY martial arts stuff in their entire lives, they can block a fuggin nut-kick.
facial raking does hurt tho. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sure, it's not always effective, but my question is this: If you had an opportunity window to punch the person you were fighting right in the family jewels, would you do it?
<!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Nov 2 2003, 07:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Nov 2 2003, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> so far, this... is the kind of thing you typically hear.
am i wrong in assuming that most of you have never engaged in much legitimate fighting? the only person i'd assume actually fights here is infinitum, when he has to defend people at his job.
otherwise, why should you need to use cliche "dirty" tactics when there are so many more that are more obscure but <i>as</i> effective for distracting your opponent or causing pain to him?
mentioned targets: -hair - i'm bald. -eyes - somewhat difficult to access. we're not chameleons, our eyes are somewhat receded and small. -testicles - also somewhat difficult to access. very easy to block. nut-kicks are very visible. -kidneys, i think someone mentioned this.. but it's not so cliche as the others. gut punches are standard, and impacts in the kidney regions are textbook. spot-on, whoever mentioned it.
ones not discussed: -temples? a closed-fisted bash to the temple is extremely disorienting, as much as dizzying if you have a strong arm. -neck? being punched in the neck just.. sucks, really. -shins? we've all been kicked in the shins. -ankles? stomping someone's ankle is one of the most distracting things that you can do. look in his eye and do that, and you can follow up with almost anything if he's like most people: not a real fighter. -mid-thigh? one of the most common targets in muy thai kickboxing, if i recall, is the mid thigh. there's a nerve there that, if impacted heavily, will almost paralyze your leg.
what constitutes dirty fighting? targets that aren't very practical? 0_o <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Was going to post a similar list but I'll ellaborate on a point.
A well placed kick to someones ankle or lower leg area could pretty much end a fight before it starts, this is especialy true if you wear steel toed boots like me because you have a high probability of breaking the guys ankle or leg.
People seem to be less inclined to fight with a broken ankle.
quick list of things of things that will end a fight immediatly
Boot the the face, preferably while they are try to stand up (cause this means their in for the long run) Hard elbow to the ear, I think the most painful thing humanly possible, nuts included. Being thrown head first into something, think fully off the ground flight into the side of a dumbster And of course the Vulcan Death Grip.
PS if you are a sick and twisted person you can kick the person as hard as you can in the side of the knee, but be prepared to witness them lose the use of their leg for the rest of their life.
And as a guy I implore all of you to stop the nut-kicking, have some respect.
The point is, these are not difficult targets for the moderately trained.
The longer the threat is active, the more of a potential danger he is to you. The only time you should fight (IMO) is when your life or someone elses life is in danger (they have intent to maim or kill), and in a situation like that, you can't afford to **** around. Stop them as fast as possible. You may spare their "nuts" but there is no way you can tell whether or not they would spare yours. Don't worry about such trivial things, the important thing is to stop the threat. You can feel sorry for their nuts later. Otherwise, you may not be alive (or may be badly maimed) to feel sorry for anything but yourself.
<!--QuoteBegin--Burncycle+Nov 3 2003, 03:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Burncycle @ Nov 3 2003, 03:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The point is, these are not difficult targets for the moderately trained.
The longer the threat is active, the more of a potential danger he is to you. The only time you should fight (IMO) is when your life or someone elses life is in danger (they have intent to maim or kill), and in a situation like that, you can't afford to **** around. Stop them as fast as possible. You may spare their "nuts" but there is no way you can tell whether or not they would spare yours. Don't worry about such trivial things, the important thing is to stop the threat. You can feel sorry for their nuts later. Otherwise, you may not be alive (or may be badly maimed) to feel sorry for anything but yourself. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The point is the nuts might not be as an effective target to stop someone who is out to kill and maim you. Because as painful as it might be eventually they will be able to harm you again, and depedning on the person the amount of time a "nut kick" stops them for varies. On the other hand if you kick someone in the face/side of the head as hard as you can they will be debilitated regardless of size, strength, etc., unless they aren't human then you either gotta be Neo, or start running.
Ok, I seem to have not said what I intended to say clearly, sorry about that.
I don't mean just kicking them in the nuts from afar (or ready position). That generally doesn't work, as mentioned. However, in the middle of a fight, targets generally present themselves. I'm saying, if the nuts are a clear target at any point during the fight (especially if you get into a grapple on the ground), to not be afraid to take the shot.
As far as the head kicking, most people a) cannot kick to the head (due to lack of flexibility) or b) will likely fail because a kick to the head is easily blocked unless you're mr. lightening toes. Incidently however, after a swift kick to the jimmies, their head is generally in the proper place for kicking as they crouch over in pain <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just because they can eventually harm you again, doesn't mean it's not a valid target. Because you don't have to stop there; now that they are stunned more targets have likely presented itself and you can continue to deliver damage as nessisary to stop the threat.
If he survives, there is nothing to stop him from coming at you again in the future (after healing!), this time with a weapon or the element of surprise. Again, thats why I say fighting is a lose-lose situation nowadays.
Computer geeks who think they are super-tough-macho-muscular-men, unite!
Seriously though, it depends on who/what/under what circumstances you are fighting that determine the rules. ...Though I don't advocate hurting people in the first place.
For example, if you are fighting a girl, you really shouldn't fight at all. Grabbing their arms and taunting them as they can't get free works. However, if you are getting mugged by someone in a dark ally feel free to whip out the "stabbing hobo" fighting style on them...mainly because when in dark alleys and you are getting mugged it's a life or death situation.
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
<!--QuoteBegin--Crisqo+Nov 4 2003, 02:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crisqo @ Nov 4 2003, 02:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> However, if you are getting mugged by someone in a dark ally feel free to whip out the "stabbing hobo" fighting style on them...mainly because when in dark alleys and you are getting mugged it's a life or death situation. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> oh my f***ing glol.
that was funny lol
so i guess now what we're down to (help me out here, guys... bear with me) is SITUATION:
a guy who's f***ing around with you at school, and you won't put up with it anymore = strategy OK!
mugged in an alley = sock him in the sperms and stab his eyes
Not to sound paranoid but...I always carry a small knife on me (2.8 inch blade). Makes for a handy utility. Opening mail, slicing chewy show leathery steak, cutting open an orange, gutting a human being, it's versatile.
I have never gotten into a fight in my life. If I did...I'd probably hurt the person as i'm a big guy (6'4", 250 lbs) with a varied amount of martial arts training.
If it's a life or death situation, fight without honor.
If it's a school-kinda-fight, fight with honor.
If your sparring with a friend, fight with only honor.
I'm sad to say that I used to fight all the time when I was younger (was living in the philippiens at the time) I wouldn't be a bully per se, but I would go looking for bullies.
It got to the point where my parents told me that if I fought again, I'd have to fight THEM when I get home. And that would be a one way trip to a sore butt. (it wasn't a paddle man, it was an OAR! lol j/p, but they got their point across)
By this time I was in south dakota, and some kid in middle school was the "thug" style white dude. Evidently all the girls thought he was cute, actin all like eminem and **** (this was before eminem became famous). I wasn't all that impressed, so when he wanted my desk, I said no.
After school, he confronted me by the bus. I tried to ignore him- my parents had assured me that you can always avoid fighting, plus I didn't want to get into trouble. So when he hit me, I didn't do anything.... didn't hurt much, got numb after the first 6 or so times. I tried to back off, but there was a fence there... Worst part was everyone laughing. Should I hit him? It took a lot to hold back... (he's all of 5' tall, type of guy you could destroy with one hit, send his "homey" **** crying to momma...) but I wouldn't hit him. Nope. I was told not to, and I wouldn't- I wanted to see if this no fighting thing works. After it was over, _I_ got into trouble because the principal said it takes 2 to fight. Ain't that some ****?
I'm like, Screw that. From that day on I would fight to defend myself if I had to but for no other reason. I don't wrestle for instance, because I don't want to hurt anyone. That was the only fight I had that was a "loss" and considering I didn't fight back I don't really see it as a loss.
My conclusion is that avoid fighting if you can, but if you have to, don't hesitate. Stop the threat however you can. I carry only a pocketknife, however I will probably be getting a CCW permit next year. That's another discussion- if you have a weapon, should you draw it for intimidation and hope to stop the fight before it starts, or should you only draw it when you are going to use it?
<!--QuoteBegin--Crisqo+Nov 4 2003, 03:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crisqo @ Nov 4 2003, 03:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For example, if you are fighting a girl, you really shouldn't fight at all. Grabbing their arms and taunting them as they can't get free works. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah.. im sure you must get alot of women. moron.
if a woman hits me (i have only ever been hit once and that was my sister) damn you take it.. you never lay a strgon hand on a female man.... thats **** up...
somebody has already said it.. but they defined the whole thing....
Cant you anticipate what they are going todo? do you know they will NOT kick you in the junk? no you dont... so you do it yourself before they get a chance...
<!--QuoteBegin--Smoke Nova+Nov 4 2003, 06:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Smoke Nova @ Nov 4 2003, 06:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not to sound paranoid but...I always carry a small knife on me (2.8 inch blade). Makes for a handy utility. Opening mail, slicing chewy show leathery steak, cutting open an orange, gutting a human being, it's versatile.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> that is a VERY stupid thing... you should never pack... guns knives.. hell sharp sticks...
weapons are a bad idea.. it is one thing to get in a ruck... it is another to bring guns and blades into it.. i came upon a time when i was shot at... trust me... its quite unfair!
WEAPONS ARE STUPID AND WILL ONLY GET YOU IN MORE TROUBLE. IF YOU CANNOT DEFEND YOURSELF WITH YOUR FISTS... CURL INTO THE FOETAL POSITION AND DEAL WITH IT
NEVER USE WEAPONS!!!!!!
i say this.. cos where i come from... alot goes on guns and knives... lead pipes.. anything..
ive been stabbed... shot at.. beaten... its life...
never pack.. even after all that.. i take my fone, my keys, my wallet thats the contents of my trousers <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I never intend to use the knife. It's just a handy utility. It's perfect for cutting dining hall food when they only give us butter knives.
I've never even gotten into a fight. Don't think I really ever will either, being 6'4 and 250lbs if I actually put any amount of muscle into a kick, I could probably get someone to puke up their guts.
<!--QuoteBegin--Burncycle+Nov 4 2003, 02:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Burncycle @ Nov 4 2003, 02:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm sad to say that I used to fight all the time when I was younger (was living in the philippiens at the time) I wouldn't be a bully per se, but I would go looking for bullies.
It got to the point where my parents told me that if I fought again, I'd have to fight THEM when I get home. And that would be a one way trip to a sore butt. (it wasn't a paddle man, it was an OAR! lol j/p, but they got their point across)
By this time I was in south dakota, and some kid in middle school was the "thug" style white dude. Evidently all the girls thought he was cute, actin all like eminem and **** (this was before eminem became famous). I wasn't all that impressed, so when he wanted my desk, I said no.
After school, he confronted me by the bus. I tried to ignore him- my parents had assured me that you can always avoid fighting, plus I didn't want to get into trouble. So when he hit me, I didn't do anything.... didn't hurt much, got numb after the first 6 or so times. I tried to back off, but there was a fence there... Worst part was everyone laughing. Should I hit him? It took a lot to hold back... (he's all of 5' tall, type of guy you could destroy with one hit, send his "homey" **** crying to momma...) but I wouldn't hit him. Nope. I was told not to, and I wouldn't- I wanted to see if this no fighting thing works. After it was over, _I_ got into trouble because the principal said it takes 2 to fight. Ain't that some ****?
I'm like, Screw that. From that day on I would fight to defend myself if I had to but for no other reason. I don't wrestle for instance, because I don't want to hurt anyone. That was the only fight I had that was a "loss" and considering I didn't fight back I don't really see it as a loss.
My conclusion is that avoid fighting if you can, but if you have to, don't hesitate. Stop the threat however you can. I carry only a pocketknife, however I will probably be getting a CCW permit next year. That's another discussion- if you have a weapon, should you draw it for intimidation and hope to stop the fight before it starts, or should you only draw it when you are going to use it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> One of the 6 rules of gun ownership is never point your weapon at a target you don't plan to shoot. This of course doesn't mean you have to shoot someone as soon as they become a threat, but never, ever, EVER, pull your weapon out with the thought they will yield as soon as they see it, because if you have no intention or ability (not a loaded weapon) to shoot them your life has just been put in serious jepordy if they decide to disarm you.
I'd have to say that the guy that says fight fair is the guy that knows he can win if he fights fair. Or it depends on the reason your fighting if your fighting to win, the go for it. If your fighting to gain face, or to prove a point, etc. Then you might want to make it a "fair fight".
<!--QuoteBegin--Zig+Nov 5 2003, 12:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Nov 5 2003, 12:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> everyone clap and bow for [Wolf], he may be the most hardcore gangsta-**** natural-selection forumite. lol
i say just carry a tazer. weee. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> are you taking the ****? my life isnt a funny story.. i shared my info so nobody goes down the road i did...
Zig...I am Captain Planet!Join Date: 2002-10-23Member: 1576Members
0_0?
i'm not taking a sh*t..? stupid *'s. can't read stuff with all the censoring.
like i said in PM, i figured you should get some kudos, because i've been through a lot of fighting but i still don't know what getting shot at is like. that's a very well-defined line... only a few people here can tell us what it's like, and teach us from experience.
i posted.. then i edited.. you guys dont need to know my private life.. basically i have made alot of life mistakes.. and i paid.. although some werent on me.. it was the people i socialised with.. i am scarred for life both physically qand mentally by the remains.. i was trying to share.. that weapons never help.
Im 15, 110 pounds and pretty weak and I've been through quite a few rough times.
I cant defend myself at all, but I still try, I NEVER hit anyone for no reason, it amazes me because I tend to get really angry very easily. I've been in a ton or so fights during my schooling and lost them all.
People always tease me, push me around because they know I cant do anything about it, it really pisses me off.
I cant win a 1 on 1 fight for my life, but yet I still try to defend myself, I just have to accept the fact that I was not ment to get into fights I guess..
<!--QuoteBegin--[WoLF]+Nov 4 2003, 05:03 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([WoLF] @ Nov 4 2003, 05:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Crisqo+Nov 4 2003, 03:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crisqo @ Nov 4 2003, 03:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> For example, if you are fighting a girl, you really shouldn't fight at all. Grabbing their arms and taunting them as they can't get free works. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah.. im sure you must get alot of women. moron.
if a woman hits me (i have only ever been hit once and that was my sister) damn you take it.. you never lay a strgon hand on a female man.... thats **** up...
somebody has already said it.. but they defined the whole thing....
Cant you anticipate what they are going todo? do you know they will NOT kick you in the junk? no you dont... so you do it yourself before they get a chance... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, I don't see anything wrong with temporarily "holding up" a female that is trying to viciously claw out your eyes with the 6 inch railroad spikes she calls "fingernails". The thing is, you don't <i>retaliate</i> with five across the eyes, tire iron to the knee, fist to the teeth, etc...<i>that's</i> just wrong.
But Wolf, what if your in a position where guns and weapons are the only way out? If it is a life and death situation, a guy about to stab you thinking you don't have a weapon, wouldn't it do good to bring one just in case, like a gun?
<!--QuoteBegin--kida+Nov 4 2003, 05:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kida @ Nov 4 2003, 05:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But Wolf, what if your in a position where guns and weapons are the only way out? If it is a life and death situation, a guy about to stab you thinking you don't have a weapon, wouldn't it do good to bring one just in case, like a gun? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The problem with packing a gun yourself is that it provides a means for the fight to escalate. You do not want the fight to escalate. You want to avoid the fight.
Did you watch 8 Mile (don't laugh, it was a good movie)? Remember the scene where Bob pulls a gun, and how much good that did? That pretty much sums it up.
<!--QuoteBegin--[p4]Samwise+Nov 6 2003, 01:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([p4]Samwise @ Nov 6 2003, 01:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--kida+Nov 4 2003, 05:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (kida @ Nov 4 2003, 05:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> But Wolf, what if your in a position where guns and weapons are the only way out? If it is a life and death situation, a guy about to stab you thinking you don't have a weapon, wouldn't it do good to bring one just in case, like a gun? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The problem with packing a gun yourself is that it provides a means for the fight to escalate. You do not want the fight to escalate. You want to avoid the fight.
Did you watch 8 Mile (don't laugh, it was a good movie)? Remember the scene where Bob pulls a gun, and how much good that did? That pretty much sums it up. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> thats a very good movie to use for comparrisons of how a situation can get out of hand...
and later on when the 'free world' beat up marshal outside his trailer.. if he had a gun.. and pulled it out.. he wouldnt have got beaten? but what if they called his bluff? would he have pulled the trigger? i would rather get stabbed to be perfectly honest.. i wouldnt want to contibute to teh situation..
Comments
As for kicking some one in the junk; hey if it prevents them from hitting me, so be it. Anyway, how can you be sure they won't try it on you?
and if they've done ANY martial arts stuff in their entire lives, they can block a fuggin nut-kick.
facial raking does hurt tho.
and if they've done ANY martial arts stuff in their entire lives, they can block a fuggin nut-kick.
facial raking does hurt tho. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure, it's not always effective, but my question is this: If you had an opportunity window to punch the person you were fighting right in the family jewels, would you do it?
am i wrong in assuming that most of you have never engaged in much legitimate fighting? the only person i'd assume actually fights here is infinitum, when he has to defend people at his job.
otherwise, why should you need to use cliche "dirty" tactics when there are so many more that are more obscure but <i>as</i> effective for distracting your opponent or causing pain to him?
mentioned targets:
-hair - i'm bald.
-eyes - somewhat difficult to access. we're not chameleons, our eyes are somewhat receded and small.
-testicles - also somewhat difficult to access. very easy to block. nut-kicks are very visible.
-kidneys, i think someone mentioned this.. but it's not so cliche as the others. gut punches are standard, and impacts in the kidney regions are textbook. spot-on, whoever mentioned it.
ones not discussed:
-temples? a closed-fisted bash to the temple is extremely disorienting, as much as dizzying if you have a strong arm.
-neck? being punched in the neck just.. sucks, really.
-shins? we've all been kicked in the shins.
-ankles? stomping someone's ankle is one of the most distracting things that you can do. look in his eye and do that, and you can follow up with almost anything if he's like most people: not a real fighter.
-mid-thigh? one of the most common targets in muy thai kickboxing, if i recall, is the mid thigh. there's a nerve there that, if impacted heavily, will almost paralyze your leg.
what constitutes dirty fighting? targets that aren't very practical? 0_o <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Was going to post a similar list but I'll ellaborate on a point.
A well placed kick to someones ankle or lower leg area could pretty much end a fight before it starts, this is especialy true if you wear steel toed boots like me because you have a high probability of breaking the guys ankle or leg.
People seem to be less inclined to fight with a broken ankle.
quick list of things of things that will end a fight immediatly
Boot the the face, preferably while they are try to stand up (cause this means their in for the long run)
Hard elbow to the ear, I think the most painful thing humanly possible, nuts included.
Being thrown head first into something, think fully off the ground flight into the side of a dumbster
And of course the Vulcan Death Grip.
PS if you are a sick and twisted person you can kick the person as hard as you can in the side of the knee, but be prepared to witness them lose the use of their leg for the rest of their life.
And as a guy I implore all of you to stop the nut-kicking, have some respect.
Concealed Weapons Permit <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
The longer the threat is active, the more of a potential danger he is to you. The only time you should fight (IMO) is when your life or someone elses life is in danger (they have intent to maim or kill), and in a situation like that, you can't afford to **** around. Stop them as fast as possible. You may spare their "nuts" but there is no way you can tell whether or not they would spare yours. Don't worry about such trivial things, the important thing is to stop the threat. You can feel sorry for their nuts later. Otherwise, you may not be alive (or may be badly maimed) to feel sorry for anything but yourself.
The longer the threat is active, the more of a potential danger he is to you. The only time you should fight (IMO) is when your life or someone elses life is in danger (they have intent to maim or kill), and in a situation like that, you can't afford to **** around. Stop them as fast as possible. You may spare their "nuts" but there is no way you can tell whether or not they would spare yours. Don't worry about such trivial things, the important thing is to stop the threat. You can feel sorry for their nuts later. Otherwise, you may not be alive (or may be badly maimed) to feel sorry for anything but yourself. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The point is the nuts might not be as an effective target to stop someone who is out to kill and maim you. Because as painful as it might be eventually they will be able to harm you again, and depedning on the person the amount of time a "nut kick" stops them for varies. On the other hand if you kick someone in the face/side of the head as hard as you can they will be debilitated regardless of size, strength, etc., unless they aren't human then you either gotta be Neo, or start running.
I don't mean just kicking them in the nuts from afar (or ready position). That generally doesn't work, as mentioned. However, in the middle of a fight, targets generally present themselves. I'm saying, if the nuts are a clear target at any point during the fight (especially if you get into a grapple on the ground), to not be afraid to take the shot.
As far as the head kicking, most people a) cannot kick to the head (due to lack of flexibility) or b) will likely fail because a kick to the head is easily blocked unless you're mr. lightening toes. Incidently however, after a swift kick to the jimmies, their head is generally in the proper place for kicking as they crouch over in pain <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just because they can eventually harm you again, doesn't mean it's not a valid target. Because you don't have to stop there; now that they are stunned more targets have likely presented itself and you can continue to deliver damage as nessisary to stop the threat.
If he survives, there is nothing to stop him from coming at you again in the future (after healing!), this time with a weapon or the element of surprise. Again, thats why I say fighting is a lose-lose situation nowadays.
Seriously though, it depends on who/what/under what circumstances you are fighting that determine the rules. ...Though I don't advocate hurting people in the first place.
For example, if you are fighting a girl, you really shouldn't fight at all. Grabbing their arms and taunting them as they can't get free works.
However, if you are getting mugged by someone in a dark ally feel free to whip out the "stabbing hobo" fighting style on them...mainly because when in dark alleys and you are getting mugged it's a life or death situation.
oh my f***ing glol.
that was funny lol
so i guess now what we're down to (help me out here, guys... bear with me) is SITUATION:
a guy who's f***ing around with you at school, and you won't put up with it anymore = strategy OK!
mugged in an alley = sock him in the sperms and stab his eyes
is that what we're basically agreeing on?
I have never gotten into a fight in my life. If I did...I'd probably hurt the person as i'm a big guy (6'4", 250 lbs) with a varied amount of martial arts training.
If it's a life or death situation, fight without honor.
If it's a school-kinda-fight, fight with honor.
If your sparring with a friend, fight with only honor.
It got to the point where my parents told me that if I fought again, I'd have to fight THEM when I get home. And that would be a one way trip to a sore butt. (it wasn't a paddle man, it was an OAR! lol j/p, but they got their point across)
By this time I was in south dakota, and some kid in middle school was the "thug" style white dude. Evidently all the girls thought he was cute, actin all like eminem and **** (this was before eminem became famous). I wasn't all that impressed, so when he wanted my desk, I said no.
After school, he confronted me by the bus. I tried to ignore him- my parents had assured me that you can always avoid fighting, plus I didn't want to get into trouble. So when he hit me, I didn't do anything.... didn't hurt much, got numb after the first 6 or so times. I tried to back off, but there was a fence there... Worst part was everyone laughing. Should I hit him? It took a lot to hold back... (he's all of 5' tall, type of guy you could destroy with one hit, send his "homey" **** crying to momma...) but I wouldn't hit him. Nope. I was told not to, and I wouldn't- I wanted to see if this no fighting thing works. After it was over, _I_ got into trouble because the principal said it takes 2 to fight. Ain't that some ****?
I'm like, Screw that. From that day on I would fight to defend myself if I had to but for no other reason. I don't wrestle for instance, because I don't want to hurt anyone. That was the only fight I had that was a "loss" and considering I didn't fight back I don't really see it as a loss.
My conclusion is that avoid fighting if you can, but if you have to, don't hesitate. Stop the threat however you can. I carry only a pocketknife, however I will probably be getting a CCW permit next year. That's another discussion- if you have a weapon, should you draw it for intimidation and hope to stop the fight before it starts, or should you only draw it when you are going to use it?
just like the "hit first and hit hard" saying
there's also "shoot first and ask questions later"..
what if the guy has a weapon, too? it's all a big fat gamble when weapons come into the picture =\
that's why tazers are awesome.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yeah.. im sure you must get alot of women. moron.
if a woman hits me (i have only ever been hit once and that was my sister) damn you take it.. you never lay a strgon hand on a female man.... thats **** up...
somebody has already said it.. but they defined the whole thing....
Cant you anticipate what they are going todo? do you know they will NOT kick you in the junk? no you dont... so you do it yourself before they get a chance...
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
that is a VERY stupid thing... you should never pack... guns knives.. hell sharp sticks...
weapons are a bad idea.. it is one thing to get in a ruck... it is another to bring guns and blades into it.. i came upon a time when i was shot at... trust me... its quite unfair!
WEAPONS ARE STUPID AND WILL ONLY GET YOU IN MORE TROUBLE. IF YOU CANNOT DEFEND YOURSELF WITH YOUR FISTS... CURL INTO THE FOETAL POSITION AND DEAL WITH IT
NEVER USE WEAPONS!!!!!!
i say this.. cos where i come from... alot goes on guns and knives... lead pipes.. anything..
ive been stabbed... shot at.. beaten... its life...
never pack.. even after all that.. i take my fone, my keys, my wallet thats the contents of my trousers <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I've never even gotten into a fight. Don't think I really ever will either, being 6'4 and 250lbs if I actually put any amount of muscle into a kick, I could probably get someone to puke up their guts.
It got to the point where my parents told me that if I fought again, I'd have to fight THEM when I get home. And that would be a one way trip to a sore butt. (it wasn't a paddle man, it was an OAR! lol j/p, but they got their point across)
By this time I was in south dakota, and some kid in middle school was the "thug" style white dude. Evidently all the girls thought he was cute, actin all like eminem and **** (this was before eminem became famous). I wasn't all that impressed, so when he wanted my desk, I said no.
After school, he confronted me by the bus. I tried to ignore him- my parents had assured me that you can always avoid fighting, plus I didn't want to get into trouble. So when he hit me, I didn't do anything.... didn't hurt much, got numb after the first 6 or so times. I tried to back off, but there was a fence there... Worst part was everyone laughing. Should I hit him? It took a lot to hold back... (he's all of 5' tall, type of guy you could destroy with one hit, send his "homey" **** crying to momma...) but I wouldn't hit him. Nope. I was told not to, and I wouldn't- I wanted to see if this no fighting thing works. After it was over, _I_ got into trouble because the principal said it takes 2 to fight. Ain't that some ****?
I'm like, Screw that. From that day on I would fight to defend myself if I had to but for no other reason. I don't wrestle for instance, because I don't want to hurt anyone. That was the only fight I had that was a "loss" and considering I didn't fight back I don't really see it as a loss.
My conclusion is that avoid fighting if you can, but if you have to, don't hesitate. Stop the threat however you can. I carry only a pocketknife, however I will probably be getting a CCW permit next year. That's another discussion- if you have a weapon, should you draw it for intimidation and hope to stop the fight before it starts, or should you only draw it when you are going to use it? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
One of the 6 rules of gun ownership is never point your weapon at a target you don't plan to shoot. This of course doesn't mean you have to shoot someone as soon as they become a threat, but never, ever, EVER, pull your weapon out with the thought they will yield as soon as they see it, because if you have no intention or ability (not a loaded weapon) to shoot them your life has just been put in serious jepordy if they decide to disarm you.
i say just carry a tazer. weee.
i say just carry a tazer. weee. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
are you taking the ****? my life isnt a funny story.. i shared my info so nobody goes down the road i did...
i'm not taking a sh*t..? stupid *'s. can't read stuff with all the censoring.
like i said in PM, i figured you should get some kudos, because i've been through a lot of fighting but i still don't know what getting shot at is like. that's a very well-defined line... only a few people here can tell us what it's like, and teach us from experience.
no?
I cant defend myself at all, but I still try, I NEVER hit anyone for no reason, it amazes me because I tend to get really angry very easily. I've been in a ton or so fights during my schooling and lost them all.
People always tease me, push me around because they know I cant do anything about it, it really pisses me off.
I cant win a 1 on 1 fight for my life, but yet I still try to defend myself, I just have to accept the fact that I was not ment to get into fights I guess..
I never fight back, only defend myself.
<!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yeah.. im sure you must get alot of women. moron.
if a woman hits me (i have only ever been hit once and that was my sister) damn you take it.. you never lay a strgon hand on a female man.... thats **** up...
somebody has already said it.. but they defined the whole thing....
Cant you anticipate what they are going todo? do you know they will NOT kick you in the junk? no you dont... so you do it yourself before they get a chance... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, I don't see anything wrong with temporarily "holding up" a female that is trying to viciously claw out your eyes with the 6 inch railroad spikes she calls "fingernails". The thing is, you don't <i>retaliate</i> with five across the eyes, tire iron to the knee, fist to the teeth, etc...<i>that's</i> just wrong.
this involves your own judgment and smarts.. i am not one to have patience to write guides.. for anything yet, maybe in the future
don't be immature. plz. I really cannot think of anything to save the dumb/immature/coward
The problem with packing a gun yourself is that it provides a means for the fight to escalate. You do not want the fight to escalate. You want to avoid the fight.
Did you watch 8 Mile (don't laugh, it was a good movie)? Remember the scene where Bob pulls a gun, and how much good that did? That pretty much sums it up.
The problem with packing a gun yourself is that it provides a means for the fight to escalate. You do not want the fight to escalate. You want to avoid the fight.
Did you watch 8 Mile (don't laugh, it was a good movie)? Remember the scene where Bob pulls a gun, and how much good that did? That pretty much sums it up. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
thats a very good movie to use for comparrisons of how a situation can get out of hand...
and later on when the 'free world' beat up marshal outside his trailer.. if he had a gun.. and pulled it out.. he wouldnt have got beaten? but what if they called his bluff? would he have pulled the trigger? i would rather get stabbed to be perfectly honest.. i wouldnt want to contibute to teh situation..