Ns is not the first action rts
Master-Dorn
Join Date: 2002-05-30 Member: 704Members
Join Date: 2002-05-30 Member: 704Members
<div class="IPBDescription">You dont know battlezone 2?</div>You dont know BZ2<!--emo&???--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'><!--endemo--> theres the same and when u play with other ppl u can give them commands too.
and the commander mode is not really invented by the ns team. if u go to a communication center in bz2 u get an overall view over your base and u can command the units or players to go there and defend sumthing. i like this game, but only because of this stupid access violation i cant play any game longer than for 5 minutes.
you must say ns team, that bz2 involved ur idea of this commander mode.
i dont hate ns, no i like it BECAUSE it has this. bz2 didnt sell good, so it is good that this mode is implented in this game.
but be aware of the bz2 developers..... they could say thats our copyrighted stuff.
but i dont think they will get mad because u use it.
and the commander mode is not really invented by the ns team. if u go to a communication center in bz2 u get an overall view over your base and u can command the units or players to go there and defend sumthing. i like this game, but only because of this stupid access violation i cant play any game longer than for 5 minutes.
you must say ns team, that bz2 involved ur idea of this commander mode.
i dont hate ns, no i like it BECAUSE it has this. bz2 didnt sell good, so it is good that this mode is implented in this game.
but be aware of the bz2 developers..... they could say thats our copyrighted stuff.
but i dont think they will get mad because u use it.
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I don't think they necessarily got the idea from bz2 or anywhere else, for that matter. I've always wanted a RTS game where the units we're real people ever since I first played StarCraft and Age of Kings, and I've never even heard of bz2. It's a logical step in parts of the gaming industry and I'm surprised there aren't MORE games like this.
No, not at all. The rules and mechanics of games are not subject to copyright.
I have to say, as I played it the games did seem really similar. The main differences are the vehicles (massive difference, the whole point of the game really) and the levels. The levels are silly massive but they are all outside levels and so have a completely different atmosphere.
One thing that could be stolen (:D) is the way the human buildings have to have power plants to keep them running whereas the alien ones have something called a lung attacted to each building that... well, breathes I guess, and it powers the building but it can be destroyed and so leave it powerless.
I dont know if there is power needed in this game actually, Ive not heard anything about it and you could say its connected to the main ships (levels) power...
Wow, great idea (imo) imagine a level where if a button was pushed then the level would be plunged into darkness, all human turrets would be offline and their buildings would be at half strength until the power is turned on again. Maybe the flow of resources is stopped or reduced too? But the button is always really easy to defend so I can imagine alot of aliens wasting time getting to it and dying rather than winning the normal way.
Just a thought
i mean bz2 has nearly the same. you build a recycler which recycles the bio metal and so u can build a scavenger which collects more biometal. then u build a factory which build tanks to defend the scavengers. u build then a comm station where u leave ur tank and go to that terminal. now YOU control them all, send them to secure the bridge and soo on. u can equip those attack vehicles after u build a weapon store, and tell the attack group to wait at a point. then u go offline (log off the comm interface) and jump into any vehicle. then u tell 4 other vehicle to follow you. then u go to the base, which has many defences (good AI) and try to destroy sumthin. i decided to attack the enemy scavs so they dont get resources, but they came with a walker and kill my plattoon. i ejected with from my vehicle and laned in a group of hills. i sniped an enemy from a vehicle so i can step into it... now went back to base and built 2 platoons and the 1. attack west and 2. north. the 1. group came and let all the enemies come to them, then 2. group came from south and kicked there butts from behind. isnt this a strategy???
and bz2 (for all who not know) plays on planet surfaces with water bridge and so on. you can play like first person shooter or like rts. it is your choice.
So is it something that goes around and there are large clumps of resource and they just take it slowly? Or Is it something that you build on something that gives a certain number of resources? For NS, you build something that takes resources from a main source and it just stays still.
"then u build a factory which build tanks to defend the scavengers. u build then a comm station where u leave ur tank and go to that terminal."
There aren't any things that go around and shoot Aliens. Except for turrets and Seiges, but they stay still.
"now YOU control them all, send them to secure the bridge and soo on. u can equip those attack vehicles after u build a weapon store, and tell the attack group to wait at a point."
There aren't any vehicles. But yeah, there are weapon small buildings.
"then u go offline (log off the comm interface) and jump into any vehicle. then u tell 4 other vehicle to follow you. then u go to the base, which has many defences (good AI) and try to destroy sumthin."
You understand this is a multiplayer game. You do sign on more than once. Once again, no vehicles. No bases. There isn't any AI.
"i decided to attack the enemy scavs so they dont get resources, but they came with a walker and kill my plattoon. i ejected with from my vehicle and laned in a group of hills. i sniped an enemy from a vehicle so i can step into it..."
No vehicles at all. No outside levels, only small outside areas, SMALL. No sniping guns.
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Tribes, for instance. However, it was not a necessary or integral part of the gameplay experiance. You did not <i>need</i> a commander to win or even play. With NS, the commander is just as important as the marines he commands.
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And as flay told me once. Everything in this industry has been done before. It's just a matter of doing again and making it better. Or even molding the general idea to your likings.
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I guess the aliens have grown bolder than I thought, attacking NSA colonies and all. :o
-dio
Don't tell that to Richard Garfeild, creator of Magic.
He copyrighted 'tapping' and other CCG mechanics created by Magic.
And the concept of BZ2 is much different. BZ2 was a thin RTS layer over a mainly FPS. NS is a Full RTS with a Full FPS.
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1.Commander mode - well sure it's fun and all, but even if your NOT in commander mode in BZ2 you can still do all the things you could while IN commander mode (drops weapon, make tanks (i know, not in NS), build towers ect.).
2.SO WHAT, if they borrowed some from there, then you could sue BZ2 for stealing the FPS from games like Wolfenstein and Doom, and the RTS like from Warcraft or something...
3.So, these days not much is original anymore...at this point the best you can do..is to make a game better than anyone else...and THATS what i think the NS team will do!
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phew...i think...
oh ya, as <b>rob6264</b> said, theres no need for a commander...not even in multiplayer since all the players can do the same thing as the commander....buhuu...
now time to continue:
If you continue with all of this "Watch out or you'll get sued for using something 500+ games allready used" you might ruin the Teams moral and thereby making em slow down the production!..so shhh...
hm...now for something fun!
it's the year 2340....the earth has been attacked by an unknown race...they call em...the dancing hampsters!
These creatures cannot be harmed in anyway since they are of God Like status...so be afraid...very afraid...
Is Starcraft a rip-off of Command and Conquer, because it used the same overhead view? Is Half-life a rip-off of Quake? Oh I know, Counter-strike is really a rip-off of Rainbow Six...right?
Also, your terminology is wrong. All work is automatically copyrighted. You cannot copyright ideas or algorithms, you patent those. You cannot copyright or patent names, you trademark them.
Use your head!
And NS is just another CS clone.. I mean the lvl one looks sooooo much like the 1337 crew.
I actualy wrote a bible with my mates in school. It started in science and continued through college during philosophy. It was the cabbage bible and started "In the beginning was the word, and the word was cabbage".
It went through quite a large part of the old testament and corrupted almost everything in it with comedy rodents, comedy vegetables and the mocking of certain people (there was a female on the team and she is hilarious when bitching about people).
I suggest an NS bible where Flayra is God, Bob (the word) is satan and the lvl1 takes the place of Jesus (obviously evolving upto a crucified lvl5).
For those who are religious, dont take this seriously, I doubt if God exists then he/she/it wouldnt care and so neither should you.
Oh and if God does exist then I absolve myself of all my sins as I signed up to be a priest on the internet. If any of you wanna get married just give me a bell.
*barfs*
*notices Flayra responded at the post*
*throws a big party for being member*
anyways, since this allready is a little of topic, i will ask 1 off topic question and try to get this back on subject!
1.What happend to the site?, i tried for 12 hours or so to enter and it said the site was suspended....DONT DO THAT AGAIN....it hurts!
anywyas, if all of those "this is a ripoff of that" where true...there would be no new games, or games at all since the game makers would be off sueing each other for using the same names or using a leaf in a game that i a look a like of a leaf on an amiga game or something...so end of story!
From what I hear, site uses gigs a month or something. It's not their fault so many ppl use the forums.
From what I hear, site uses gigs a month or something. It's not their fault so many ppl use the forums.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Probably true too. <!--emo&:0--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'><!--endemo-->
Edit: Hmm, this topic is getting out of the subject. I direct you all <a href="http://www.natural-selection.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=10;t=5228" target="_blank">here</a>.