What Happened To Respect?

MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Kicking Constellation memebers is bad!</div> I am very proud to say that I am a Const Member. I donated to Flayra a few months back and am also a huge supporter of the Constellation System. So let me tell you a story about what happened to me today.
I was playing on my favorite server (if you know me you know where I am all day) and it had just been passworded as we were playing, I saw the admin kindly tell 2 people that he had to make room for reserved memebers and that they were going to be kicked. I thought it was nice of him to at least tell them. People understand that its a Clan Server, sometimes you need to be kicked to let Clan members join. So I was playing on the now locked server and just happened to be the only Constellation member on at the time, All of a suddened, while firing at an Onos, I found my self looking at my consol, no kick message, no way to rejoin. I am not prevee to the Pass yet so I couldn't get back to the server.
I figured I was auto kicked when someone who knew the pass joined. I was hurt though. I am a new regular on this server for the past 2 weeks and am also well known by the other reqs, so I wasa bit sad that I was removed without even a message <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> but if it was autokick, what can I do.

I joined another server, also a well known and respected server where I can be found if I can't get on my fav one. I happen to be the only Const member on this server too. Not 5 mins into the game, Consol again, telling me I have been kicked to free up a spot. Now I am getting annoyed, I really want to play and no server seems to be letting me today! <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> I moved on to another server.

This server is one I use to play all the time back in 1.04, I am not well known but I know people there from the forums and the game. I am not the only constellation member this time, 4 of us are playing on this server. I start playing for about 10 mins and then BOOM I am kicked to free up a slot. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

I am not a rude gamer or a jerk or a bad player, I follow orders and do my damndest to help my team, so attitude isn't a factor, if anything I am well liked by the people who know me. I just want to know if I have done something to be targeted today? Didn't Flayra himself make a post about thanking us Constellation member, stating that we are the reason we are able to play NS 2.0 right now.
I can't quote it because the Site is still in basic mode, but I believe he said something like this.
"Thanks to the constealltion donaters, I would have had to stop development months ago if not for them. So next time your playing and see a member with a star icon next to there name, give them extra health, or a bigger gun, or if you <b>have to free up a spot on your server kick someone else</b>, anything to do something nice for these guys becasue they did something nice for you!"

My point is, I love play NS 2.0 and I was only so happy to donate to help everyone get to enjoy the game now instead of some time from now. I support the Constellation and anyone who goes to my site would know that (I make posts about it all the time)! I just want everyone to remember what Flayra said, Try to be nice to us Const members, we dont want special tratement but kick someone else to free up a spot.
I didn't like being kicked 3 times in a row to day to free up a spot for someone else. I am not special, but I think that if you have a server with a constellation member playing and you need to free up a spot you should remove a non const, keep a friend if you have too, or if your going to remove a const member or anyone always tell them first. Nothing worse than being kicked to free up a spot and thinking you were kicked for some other reason.

I am not person who wants special tratement at all, I just thought it was a nice statement Flayra made and that he was being very nice to us by telling the community that. I just hope that everyone understand exactly what the Constellation members did to help Natural Selection, the least you could do is kindly tell them you need to kick them to free up a spot before you do it, or like Flayra said, kick someone else!
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  • GadzukoGadzuko Join Date: 2002-12-26 Member: 11556Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Try to be nice to us Const members, we dont want special tratement but kick someone else to free up a spot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That made me chuckle. A bit contradictory, don't you think? At any rate, I see where you're coming from, but honestly it was probably just a coincidence. You got unlucky, while it's good that you are a constellation member, the vast majority of NS players probably have <i>no idea</i> what that cute little star thingie next to your name is. You're preaching to the converted here.
  • acer_racer_r Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18784Banned
    the point of constiliation wasnt to get perks further down the road, it was to help flay and the dev team.....
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Constellation members should be the first to be dropped a weapon, and the last to be kicked to free a spot up. Period.
  • includeinclude aka RpTheHotrod Dallas, TX Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12027Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    is it too late to support ns?
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    It's never too late.
  • GadzukoGadzuko Join Date: 2002-12-26 Member: 11556Members, Constellation
    My point is, most pubbers neither know nor care that you have supported NS. It's sad, but it's true.
  • acer_racer_r Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18784Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Sirus+Aug 3 2003, 11:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Aug 3 2003, 11:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Constellation members should be the first to be dropped a weapon, and the last to be kicked to free a spot up. Period. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    the people to get weapons first and kicked last should be the people that are skilled and are of greater value to the team
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Chances are that rcon-viewing admins can't even SEE who's a constellation member and who isn't. Yeah, it's nice to know you're supporting NS, but each server has its own rules - which may or may not include special treatment for constellation members.
  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    Being a constellation member does not save you from stupidity (in both directions).

    lets make a server check at monday 6 am GMT, a time were nobody in the world could play games online without beeing a complete nerd.
    1/2 is full
    1/4 is half full
    1/4 still has 1 person at last, most of them are the smallest servers.

    constellation members have that blue icon right?
    that icons design was confusing and just changed again.
    Just everybody, lots of new ppl, want to play this version now.
  • includeinclude aka RpTheHotrod Dallas, TX Join Date: 2003-01-08 Member: 12027Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    How do you become a const member now? I'd be honored to help support this great mod if I can.
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Sirus+Aug 3 2003, 11:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Aug 3 2003, 11:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Constellation members should be the first to be dropped a weapon, and the last to be kicked to free a spot up. Period. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I know it wasn't for perks, I never wanted anything other than to help Charlie!
    He Said to the community, please treat us with an extra mint on our pillows, I was just quoting him.

    My point is that I thought what Flayra said about being nice to the people who helped you get to play this game was a great thing indeed.
    We never asked for special treatment, he wan'ts us to get some!

    Everyone needs to remember he said it him slef, with out the Donations, we wouldn't have 2.0 right now!
    He said to be nice to us, would you kick a Vet or PT, no becasue they helped get you the game, same as the Const members.

    My point my be a bit selfish in that I am happy to be considered special by Flayra, becasue I helped him help the community, but I just think it wouldn't hurt to at least tell a constellation member he needs to be kicked before kicking.
    Anyone should be told not just const members but I am making the point about const members in general.
    Becasue Flayra's wishes should be respected!
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the people to get weapons first and kicked last should be the people that are skilled and are of greater value to the team <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Ahem. I most heartily disagree. Constellation members are of the greatest value to the team, without them, you probably wouldn't be playing 2.0 !
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--acer_r+Aug 4 2003, 12:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (acer_r @ Aug 4 2003, 12:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the people to get weapons first and kicked last should be the people that are skilled and are of greater value to the team <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I find this to be a very curious and disrespectful attitude. Without these constellation members you would quite litterally not be playing NS 2.0. Putz's with a trigger finger in game are a dime a thousand. People that supported NS with their own money are not.
  • TheOneTheOne Join Date: 2003-06-25 Member: 17679Members
    ohh how sad u got kicked
    /me sends flowers
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--TheOne.+Aug 3 2003, 11:43 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheOne. @ Aug 3 2003, 11:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->ohh how sad u got kicked
    /me sends flowers<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I was using it as my bases
    But if you are going to send me some, Send tulips and Lylacs, they smell nice! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • acer_racer_r Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18784Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Aug 3 2003, 11:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Aug 3 2003, 11:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--acer_r+Aug 4 2003, 12:31 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (acer_r @ Aug 4 2003, 12:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the people to get weapons first and kicked last should be the people that are skilled and are of greater value to the team <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I find this to be a very curious and disrespectful attitude. Without these constellation members you would quite litterally not be playing NS 2.0. Putz's with a trigger finger in game are a dime a thousand. People that supported NS with their own money are not. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    now i am glad to the extreme that the constalation guys helped out, but im sure the majority of comms give weapons to their best players(not saying that constalation members arent good) <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Rico1Rico1 NS Oldtimer Join Date: 2002-05-24 Member: 664Members
    edited August 2003
    He's right, you guys should be thanking constellation members instead of flaming them. Being an idiot to anyone who supports the NS team makes you look like a complete craphead to the rest of the community, not to mention making yourself look like a hypocrite for playing the game they helped bring to you.

    Personally, i don't kick constellation members unless they have really bad attitudes and are violating server rules, or they are the only people i can kick that arent part of the clan that owns the server or part of the private community.
  • sk84zer0sk84zer0 Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17478Members
    This happened to me everytime i joined CoFR. I join in and play about 10 mins and console comes up and says i was kicked due to slot reservation.(because everyone one that damn server has a reserved slot <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo--> ) So now i dont play there anymore.
  • Infected_MarineInfected_Marine Join Date: 2002-12-21 Member: 11287Members
    edited August 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Majin+Aug 3 2003, 11:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Aug 3 2003, 11:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Flayra said, Try to be nice to us Const members, we dont want special tratement but kick someone else to free up a spot. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Maybe I should donate $5 like you, so I can expect special treatment and get upset when I don't get it. Now I know MonsieurEvil is right in that we should be <b>Thankful</b> for the contributions of the Constellation members, but Majin is living proof that they don't automatically deserve <b>Respect</b>.
  • Rico1Rico1 NS Oldtimer Join Date: 2002-05-24 Member: 664Members
    Nobody deserves respect until they gain it, not PT's or Veterans or anyone. The only people who do in this community are the NS devs and mapmakers who bring you the content for free.
  • acer_racer_r Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18784Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Infected Marine+Aug 3 2003, 11:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Infected Marine @ Aug 3 2003, 11:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Majin+Aug 3 2003, 11:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Aug 3 2003, 11:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Flayra said, Try to be nice to us Const members, we dont want special tratement but kick someone else to free up a spot. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Maybe I should donate $5 like you, so I can expect special treatment and get upset when I don't get it. Now I know MonsieurEvil is right in that we should be <b>Thankful</b> for the contributions of the Constellation members, but Majin is living proof that they don't automatically deserve <b>Respect</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ah yes thats what ive been trying to say!...
  • MustardMustard Join Date: 2002-12-17 Member: 10953Members
    All the servers are very busy atm, so its inevitable that some people will be kicked.

    Our CoFR server has seen all the reserve slot holders come out of the woodwork since 2.0 came out. So for the next week I imagine its going to be pretty painful unless you have a reserve slot. I have noticed that the mp_authicon funtion doesnt seem to work properly too, so if you were a constellation member, I doubt I would know anyway.
  • JamlJaml Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9054Members
    Everyone gets kicked every now and then due to slot reservations or clan members joining. Its not that the admins hate you they just kick someone mostly on a random basis. Take it easy and return later when spots are free again. I got kicked multiple times from my favorite server but i just rejoin and continue having fun. Sure sometimes it takes some minutes till a slot opens but if the server is good its worth the wait. I just let ASE check for a free slot and read the NS forums while waiting.
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Infected Marine+Aug 3 2003, 11:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Infected Marine @ Aug 3 2003, 11:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Majin+Aug 3 2003, 11:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Aug 3 2003, 11:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Flayra said, Try to be nice to us Const members, we dont want special tratement but kick someone else to free up a spot. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Maybe I should donate $5 like you, so I can expect special treatment and get upset when I don't get it. Now I know MonsieurEvil is right in that we should be <b>Thankful</b> for the contributions of the Constellation members, but Majin is living proof that they don't automatically deserve <b>Respect</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Now I am a bit disturbed that you would judge me in such a way.
    I am pointing out a valid fact that, I was kicked 3 times for no reason other than to free up a spot. I have no real problem with this.
    I am quoting Flayra who said, he wants the community to treat us with that small amount of respect, a simple thing like not Kicking a const member, I am not just doing this for me but to educate everyone on what Const members did for people like you IM. I don't give a flying **** if I get kicked once, but 3 times on 3 different servers is why i am posting this.

    Your are playing a game that Flayra made for you to enjoy.
    He asked that the community be thankful to us the Const members for our LARGE part in bringing people like you IM this game!

    I have no wish to get rcon on every server, or be givin god powers or anything, just that people remember that I and other like me did a BIG part in helping this game be out right now. Respect Flayra's Wishes and try not to kick a Const member.

    This isn't just for me, but for all PTs, VETs, Contributors, like Ollj and Geek and countless others, the const people are who I am making this post for.
    Don't judge me for wanting to not be kicked 3 times in a row, becasue I am a const member.

    Sorry if I come across as selfish, I am not trying to, I just like to play NS and being kicked 3 times in a row today, hurt my playing time. I used that as a reason to bring up the QUOTE that Flayra made about Sparing us a kick from a server!

    I did my part in large, It doesn't matter how much I donated but just to clear things up I didn't just donate for me, I donated for my web site also, twice!
    ALSO
    I am a Canadian for even 20 bucks US is like 35!
    I did my part to help people like you enjoy NS 2.0, what have you done IM?
  • acer_racer_r Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18784Banned
    i see your point, but really, how hard is it to repick a server out of the hundreds that are there?
  • Infected_MarineInfected_Marine Join Date: 2002-12-21 Member: 11287Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Majin+Aug 4 2003, 12:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Aug 4 2003, 12:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Don't judge me for wanting to not be kicked 3 times in a row, becasue I am a const member.
    <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I am not accusing you of being selfish, demanding or cheap, but you have not <b>Earned</b> my <b>Respect</b>. That is all I am saying, nothing less, and maybe only a little bit more.

    PS: It costs less to live in Canada, income tax is lower and medical is covered <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • mRWafflesmRWaffles Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4713Members
    I've paid forty bucks to help this game. I don't want special treatment. I earn my own respect by following orders and being that one guy to go cap every res node on the map twice because my team wants to wait for HA before they leave spawn. I shouldn't get kicked while the Rambo next to me stays in. I don't want a thank you. My thank you was 2.0 . All I ask is that I can play the game that I helped support... that's all.
  • sk84zer0sk84zer0 Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17478Members
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--mR.Waffles+Aug 4 2003, 12:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (mR.Waffles @ Aug 4 2003, 12:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I've paid forty bucks to help this game. I don't want special treatment. I earn my own respect by following orders and being that one guy to go cap every res node on the map twice because my team wants to wait for HA before they leave spawn. I shouldn't get kicked while the Rambo next to me stays in. I don't want a thank you. My thank you was 2.0 . All I ask is that I can play the game that I helped support... that's all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    me too brother, me too!

    This is all I am trying to say my friends!

    P.S. I will work to earn your respect IM (serious) <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • acer_racer_r Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18784Banned
    edited August 2003
    there are about 500 servers you can play on, take some of your filters off if you cant find a game to play <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Edit: this was towards mr waffle
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