<!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Aug 4 2003, 11:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Aug 4 2003, 11:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->why should the server admins care? you didn't give THEM any money....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Such a self-serving attitude. People like this need a slap. The server ops wouldn't be even hosting this damn game if it weren't for people like Majin who gave some of their hard-earned money so it could be developed! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You are aware of how much it costs to run a server aren't you, and you are aware that a lot get minimal funding from outside sources (talking about clan servers here etc).
Donate: To present as a gift to a fund or cause; contribute.
A <b>GIFT</b>. When you give gifts, do you demand something in return?
And once again, you donated for the games completion, you didn't donate to pay for a server's bandwidth. The only preferrential treatment you should get is in your OWN server.
If you invented the Potato Peeler, does that give you any right to go into poeple's homes and take their potato peelers? No.
<!--QuoteBegin--::esuna::+Aug 4 2003, 01:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (::esuna:: @ Aug 4 2003, 01:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Aug 4 2003, 11:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Aug 4 2003, 11:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->why should the server admins care? you didn't give THEM any money....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Such a self-serving attitude. People like this need a slap. The server ops wouldn't be even hosting this damn game if it weren't for people like Majin who gave some of their hard-earned money so it could be developed! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You are aware of how much it costs to run a server aren't you, and you are aware that a lot get minimal funding from outside sources (talking about clan servers here etc). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Such a self-serving attitude. People like this need a slap. The server ops wouldn't be even hosting this damn game if it weren't for people like Majin who gave some of their hard-earned money so it could be developed! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you invented the Potato Peeler, does that give you any right to go into poeple's homes and take their potato peelers? No. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Aug 4 2003, 12:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Aug 4 2003, 12:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you invented the Potato Peeler, does that give you any right to go into poeple's homes and take their potato peelers? No. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This has to be the worst analogy ever. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> hahaha.. yes.
<!--QuoteBegin--RpTheHotrod+Aug 3 2003, 11:32 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RpTheHotrod @ Aug 3 2003, 11:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How do you become a const member now? I'd be honored to help support this great mod if I can. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <a href='http://www.natural-selection.org/const.html' target='_blank'>http://www.natural-selection.org/const.html</a> <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
It's only happened once, all the other times it goes (virtually) unnoticed aside from a quick question asking what it is. That comment really made me feel warm and fuzzy inside, I dunno why. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
It's only happened once, all the other times it goes (virtually) unnoticed aside from a quick question asking what it is. That comment really made me feel warm and fuzzy inside, I dunno why. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's cool dude, if someone feels the need to do that, sweet. But it's when people EXPECT that kind of behaviour then things get out of hand.
I'm going to echo Gadzuko's point. Most NS 2.0 players don't read the forums and don't know nor care what a constellation member is.
In fact I think that some server admins kicked you <i>because</i> you were a constellation member. Oftentimes when a server admin sees he needs to free up a slot for someone, he will look at who is standing out from the crowd. I've seen it happen many times. Sometimes a player will be especially loud and make stupid comments at the time, and so the admin will kick him. Sometimes a player will go on an insane killing streak, and the admin will catch his name in the top right, and just kick him.
Sometimes however, an admin will hit tab and see a great big set of stars next to someone's name and will simply kick the guy who's standing out from the crowd.
Sarisel.::' ( O ) ';:-. .-.:;' ( O ) '::.Join Date: 2003-07-30Member: 18557Members, Constellation
Constellation members - you have my respect for donating to Flayra to develop this wonderful game. But please remain humble and don't complain about getting kicked for reserved slots.
Yes, the game wouldn't be there if it weren't for you - and I definitely appreciate that. But you would have nowhere to play it if it weren't for admins that are paying hundreds of dollars per year to host their servers. So show them some respect for them too. They also have to scrape up that money from somewhere to give you those hours of free play - most of them are not millionaires.
The constellation donation was not titled "A VIP pass for every server that is worth thousands of dollars". So if you want to play on a particular server and if you have a little bit more money to donate (say $10 per month) contact the administrator (they usually have websites with forums or e-mail contacts) and you could negotiate a reserved slot for yourself and maybe a greater server overall.
<!--QuoteBegin--Sarisel+Aug 4 2003, 03:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sarisel @ Aug 4 2003, 03:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Constellation members - you have my respect for donating to Flayra to develop this wonderful game. But please remain humble and don't complain about getting kicked for reserved slots.
Yes, the game wouldn't be there if it weren't for you - and I definitely appreciate that. But you would have nowhere to play it if it weren't for admins that are paying hundreds of dollars per year to host their servers. So show them some respect for them too. They also have to scrape up that money from somewhere to give you those hours of free play - most of them are not millionaires.
The constellation donation was not titled "A VIP pass for every server that is worth thousands of dollars". So if you want to play on a particular server and if you have a little bit more money to donate (say $10 per month) contact the administrator (they usually have websites with forums or e-mail contacts) and you could negotiate a reserved slot for yourself and maybe a greater server overall. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You summed it all up entirely there dude.
you can't buy respect from other players with donations to constellation. donation is the key word; you donated to help a cause, and you cheapen that cause by demanding special treatment.
Constellation is of course a sign of respect <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> only kick them if they are being really really mean or w/e.... Remember they payed and most likely you did not so htink about that.
Necro<insert non-birthday-related title here>Join Date: 2002-08-09Member: 1118Members
while i would not give const. members weapons first, they would be the LAST to be kicked.
just because they paid for 2.0 does not mean i have to give them a gun as there might be better people, but i wouldn't kick them as in paying flay - they have kind of paid me, they have paid me in such a way that i can continue playing ns. and that's all i want <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I think this is going waay off. No one is disrespecting the people who donated. They're simply saying that they shouldnt expect special treatment. Kicks should be random, and the weapons should be handed out according to the situation.
If you have tons of res, just drop them. However, if you're really tight on res, and this is your last chance to maybe knock down a hive, you give the HA and HMG to those that can do it.
ah while were at it we should make donators unkickable and unbannable also when they join a server which is full a random player gets kicked out to make some room so donators can play as much as they want.
<!--QuoteBegin--Nomble+Aug 4 2003, 07:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nomble @ Aug 4 2003, 07:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ah while were at it we should make donators unkickable and unbannable also when they join a server which is full a random player gets kicked out to make some room so donators can play as much as they want. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm sorry. Are you being sarcastic?
I wouldnt ask if other people didnt say some things like that and seemed serious.
<!--QuoteBegin--Necro-+Aug 4 2003, 07:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Necro- @ Aug 4 2003, 07:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> while donaters shouldnt be "above" the law, they should get respect, as you know they won't be the average ****, because if your an ****, why donate? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> well, if they were above the law, they'd donate for exactly that reason, which is why they shouldn't get any special treatment, except for maybe a reserved slot or two.
Which I think is the general consensus here, excepting that debatably sarcastic post
And the servers deserve the right to kick you on any basis. It's THEIR SERVER that you are playing on after all and it's upkeep is prolly far more time, effort and cash than you donated to Flayra.
Well after reading/scimming through (C'mon, gimmie a break!) eight pages its time to put in my 2c as well...although this topic should die because I think we've reached a conclusion, but I'm not sure what exactally.
I think the ground rule is generaly treat people like you want to be treated. There is a reason that you donated for constellation is because you love the game am I correct? Why else are you donating? Surly it isnt because you want to get into a server and not get kicked, am I right? Youre not buying a Natural Selection Gold Pass to get into the server and stay there, youre helping a game along.
I do, however, understand what youre getting at Majin, and yes, this is true. Constellation members should not be the first one to go on a server, they should have to be the secondary choice. If your a nice, great guy/girl ( <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> ), you probably wont be kicked, however, what I see wrong happening here is some people are <i>expecting</i> the respect, but its something you could earn. If there is some stupid butthead walkin on my server, and hes constellation, I could care less. If your not respectful yourself youre going to be kicked. Constellation my foot. Sure, its great, but your not, so get out, and Majin is not like that.
As stated before, its all luck of the draw, and Im sure the admin would not have kicked you if he saw you as constellation, and also I'm sure its not the admin that kicked you, but a script. If you were not warned, then kicked, I'm sure its a script. 99.9% positive actually. But sirus, I would have to dissagree with you on the droped weapons part. Best players that follow orders are always first when your commanding. The fact that your donating is not going to take down a hive faster.
Meh, Im tired. (Look who found out who Majin is!!!!!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )
Read through it all - but there is one post that everyone ignored:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually, if you want to really help NS, kick Constellation members FIRST.
They paid their money. Kicking a non-Constellation member is **** off another potential member.
See how stupid arguing over this is? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And i just wanted to explain to him and whoever agrees with him how incredibly WRONG that is. If someone does a kindness to you and in return you treat them worse then others, then word will get around and not only will people stop donating, they will stop playing the game, as everybody hates an attitude like that. It shows that all of the work he did donating counted for nothing. In fact, he get punished for doing a good deed.
Second of all, constellation members may very well donate again, Majin said so himself that he would donate some more.
And no, i don't see how stupid arguing over this is, not until every person like you changes their opinion.
It's going to be locked, but not on that note. I forced myself to read all the way through this, and most of it is pretty doggone gross. I don't think Constellation members deserve extra-special treatment forever - heck, the reason they are not hard-coded into NS is because we realise some of them may be utter wanks that tried to buy people's special treatment. The point however is that without them, this forum, this community, this game, and everything you have with NS would not exist. None of it. There were a few times when timely Constellation donations saved Flayra from being evicted from his apartment. I am not exagerating.
So admins, players, 'vets', whoever you are - it's of course acknowledged that you do not deserve less respect than a Constellation member. We ask that until a Constellation member proves himself otherwise, you give him the benefit of the doubt and try to let him play when given the choice. That's pretty much all we ask.
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Such a self-serving attitude. People like this need a slap. The server ops wouldn't be even hosting this damn game if it weren't for people like Majin who gave some of their hard-earned money so it could be developed! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are aware of how much it costs to run a server aren't you, and you are aware that a lot get minimal funding from outside sources (talking about clan servers here etc).
<a href='http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=donate' target='_blank'>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=donate</a>
Donate: To present as a gift to a fund or cause; contribute.
A <b>GIFT</b>. When you give gifts, do you demand something in return?
And once again, you donated for the games completion, you didn't donate to pay for a server's bandwidth. The only preferrential treatment you should get is in your OWN server.
If you invented the Potato Peeler, does that give you any right to go into poeple's homes and take their potato peelers? No.
Such a self-serving attitude. People like this need a slap. The server ops wouldn't be even hosting this damn game if it weren't for people like Majin who gave some of their hard-earned money so it could be developed! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You are aware of how much it costs to run a server aren't you, and you are aware that a lot get minimal funding from outside sources (talking about clan servers here etc). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Such a self-serving attitude. People like this need a slap. The server ops wouldn't be even hosting this damn game if it weren't for people like Majin who gave some of their hard-earned money so it could be developed! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you invented the Potato Peeler, does that give you any right to go into poeple's homes and take their potato peelers? No. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This has to be the worst analogy ever.
This has to be the worst analogy ever. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> hahaha.. yes.
If you donated, thank you, just please, don't expect any kind of special treatment, that's not what you donated for.
<a href='http://www.natural-selection.org/const.html' target='_blank'>http://www.natural-selection.org/const.html</a>
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It's only happened once, all the other times it goes (virtually) unnoticed aside from a quick question asking what it is. That comment really made me feel warm and fuzzy inside, I dunno why. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
It's only happened once, all the other times it goes (virtually) unnoticed aside from a quick question asking what it is. That comment really made me feel warm and fuzzy inside, I dunno why. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's cool dude, if someone feels the need to do that, sweet. But it's when people EXPECT that kind of behaviour then things get out of hand.
In fact I think that some server admins kicked you <i>because</i> you were a constellation member. Oftentimes when a server admin sees he needs to free up a slot for someone, he will look at who is standing out from the crowd. I've seen it happen many times. Sometimes a player will be especially loud and make stupid comments at the time, and so the admin will kick him. Sometimes a player will go on an insane killing streak, and the admin will catch his name in the top right, and just kick him.
Sometimes however, an admin will hit tab and see a great big set of stars next to someone's name and will simply kick the guy who's standing out from the crowd.
Fair? I guess not. Ironic? Absolutely.
Yes, the game wouldn't be there if it weren't for you - and I definitely appreciate that. But you would have nowhere to play it if it weren't for admins that are paying hundreds of dollars per year to host their servers. So show them some respect for them too. They also have to scrape up that money from somewhere to give you those hours of free play - most of them are not millionaires.
The constellation donation was not titled "A VIP pass for every server that is worth thousands of dollars". So if you want to play on a particular server and if you have a little bit more money to donate (say $10 per month) contact the administrator (they usually have websites with forums or e-mail contacts) and you could negotiate a reserved slot for yourself and maybe a greater server overall.
Yes, the game wouldn't be there if it weren't for you - and I definitely appreciate that. But you would have nowhere to play it if it weren't for admins that are paying hundreds of dollars per year to host their servers. So show them some respect for them too. They also have to scrape up that money from somewhere to give you those hours of free play - most of them are not millionaires.
The constellation donation was not titled "A VIP pass for every server that is worth thousands of dollars". So if you want to play on a particular server and if you have a little bit more money to donate (say $10 per month) contact the administrator (they usually have websites with forums or e-mail contacts) and you could negotiate a reserved slot for yourself and maybe a greater server overall. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You summed it all up entirely there dude.
Amen.
I'm a server admin and unless he or she has a bad attitude a constellation member will be treated like royalty on the servers I admin.
just because they paid for 2.0 does not mean i have to give them a gun as there might be better people, but i wouldn't kick them as in paying flay - they have kind of paid me, they have paid me in such a way that i can continue playing ns. and that's all i want <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
If you have tons of res, just drop them. However, if you're really tight on res, and this is your last chance to maybe knock down a hive, you give the HA and HMG to those that can do it.
I'm sorry. Are you being sarcastic?
I wouldnt ask if other people didnt say some things like that and seemed serious.
well, if they were above the law, they'd donate for exactly that reason, which is why they shouldn't get any special treatment, except for maybe a reserved slot or two.
Which I think is the general consensus here, excepting that debatably sarcastic post
I think the ground rule is generaly treat people like you want to be treated. There is a reason that you donated for constellation is because you love the game am I correct? Why else are you donating? Surly it isnt because you want to get into a server and not get kicked, am I right? Youre not buying a Natural Selection Gold Pass to get into the server and stay there, youre helping a game along.
I do, however, understand what youre getting at Majin, and yes, this is true. Constellation members should not be the first one to go on a server, they should have to be the secondary choice. If your a nice, great guy/girl ( <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> ), you probably wont be kicked, however, what I see wrong happening here is some people are <i>expecting</i> the respect, but its something you could earn. If there is some stupid butthead walkin on my server, and hes constellation, I could care less. If your not respectful yourself youre going to be kicked. Constellation my foot. Sure, its great, but your not, so get out, and Majin is not like that.
As stated before, its all luck of the draw, and Im sure the admin would not have kicked you if he saw you as constellation, and also I'm sure its not the admin that kicked you, but a script. If you were not warned, then kicked, I'm sure its a script. 99.9% positive actually. But sirus, I would have to dissagree with you on the droped weapons part. Best players that follow orders are always first when your commanding. The fact that your donating is not going to take down a hive faster.
Meh, Im tired. (Look who found out who Majin is!!!!!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> )
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Actually, if you want to really help NS, kick Constellation members FIRST.
They paid their money. Kicking a non-Constellation member is **** off another potential member.
See how stupid arguing over this is? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And i just wanted to explain to him and whoever agrees with him how incredibly WRONG that is.
If someone does a kindness to you and in return you treat them worse then others, then word will get around and not only will people stop donating, they will stop playing the game, as everybody hates an attitude like that. It shows that all of the work he did donating counted for nothing. In fact, he get punished for doing a good deed.
Second of all, constellation members may very well donate again, Majin said so himself that he would donate some more.
And no, i don't see how stupid arguing over this is, not until every person like you changes their opinion.
It's a donation. Donations are gifts. You don't get any special treatment.
So admins, players, 'vets', whoever you are - it's of course acknowledged that you do not deserve less respect than a Constellation member. We ask that until a Constellation member proves himself otherwise, you give him the benefit of the doubt and try to let him play when given the choice. That's pretty much all we ask.
Consider it <i>your</i> donation to him.