About Vac ( Valve Anti Cheat )
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Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3367Members
Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3367Members
<div class="IPBDescription">and the things it can cause</div> After reading through <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=19339&hl=valve,and,anti,and,cheat' target='_blank'>this </a>thread ( VAC in NS 1.1 pls don't do it ) it seems a good idea for all those interested in the 'bad' part of VAC to read
<a href='http://forums.dayofdefeatmod.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61007' target='_blank'>this thread </a>at the official DOD forums.
(Or read <a href='http://forums.dayofdefeatmod.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65826&perpage=15&pagenumber=1' target='_blank'>this thread </a>.
Also at the official DOD forums. )
Now i'm all for anti-cheat measures myself but i do want to inform you of the problems that may very well happen to you playing on a secure (vac enabled) server.
<a href='http://forums.dayofdefeatmod.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61007' target='_blank'>this thread </a>at the official DOD forums.
(Or read <a href='http://forums.dayofdefeatmod.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65826&perpage=15&pagenumber=1' target='_blank'>this thread </a>.
Also at the official DOD forums. )
Now i'm all for anti-cheat measures myself but i do want to inform you of the problems that may very well happen to you playing on a secure (vac enabled) server.
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I just tried overlord and hentau on non-VAC servers, and the problem is totally gone!
-get optonline
Lucky me, i dont have dialup and do have XP. Sorry for all you guys that are still on dialup, or aren't running XP but i'd rather have no cheaters.
Lucky me, i dont have dialup and do have XP. Sorry for all you guys that are still on dialup, or aren't running XP but i'd rather have no cheaters. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hear hear.
I'm on a p4 2.4ghz with a gig of ram.
NOTHING goes slow for me.
The more anti-cheat measures in place, the better.
Sorry, gg 56kers and <1gig processors
It works fine with NS.
IMO, most people who say "Don't implement VAC support!" are cheaters.
Lucky me, i dont have dialup and do have XP. Sorry for all you guys that are still on dialup, or aren't running XP but i'd rather have no cheaters. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hear hear.
I'm on a p4 2.4ghz with a gig of ram.
NOTHING goes slow for me.
The more anti-cheat measures in place, the better.
Sorry, gg 56kers and <1gig processors <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Meh, I'm pretty sure my Ath-700 will be able to keep up. Thanks to tweaking around, can usually flatfoot most 1-1.4GHz setups in actual gameplay. And look pretty at the same time. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
Agreed. Sooner VAC gets here, the sooner we'll see the aimbotters go *clunk*.
If I'm not mistaken, you can run them both. At least, with HLGaurd, you can run VAC+HLGaurd at the same time, and they compliment eachother.
If you are interested of learning more about this bug, please click the other link.
For those interested, Dod's top man Waldo, has stated that the right people at valve are aware of the problem(*).
All we can do, 'we' meaning those who suffer from the FPS drops on VAC enabled servers, is hope that it gets fixed with valve's new hl patch.
Btw, i'm not a frequent NS player. I was doing research to help find out why people have framerate drops when they play on VAC enabled servers and i'm posting on many different forums to inform others and *maybe* obtain information myself.
Those of you here who suggest that i'm a cheater have obviously not read the link i put in my post and are not aware of how *BIG* this problem really is;
(*)<b> Playing on VAC enabled servers causes FPS drops in certain maps and affects
overall game performance in a bad way. Opening doors, bumping into other
players etc causes heavy fps drops. When you play on a VAC-disabled server
then you don't have any framerate drops.</b>
If you care to find out whether your setup is affected by this, and you already have dod installed, read <a href='http://forums.dayofdefeatmod.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65826&perpage=15&pagenumber=1' target='_blank'>this thread</a> at Day of Defeat's official forum.
Let me emphasize that <b>I'm trying to help</b> here. If it was for cheating purposes, i wouldn't even take the time to do all these posts.
Valve just has to work out the implementation. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> IMO, testing much like the 1.04(a-j) testing will be needed if it were to be released for 1.1. We'll see of course. Valve has it going better on the cs 1.6 beta so far (as far as I can see)
BTW, I haven't dl'd C-D since cs 1.3. Back then it was just a hack program that IMO didn't do nothing. I've been meaning to ask if it actually works now... other than remove the [NO C-D] tag from your name? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
And now I will slam my head on the keyboard...
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That IMO is potentially the most powerful part of VAC, but as far as I know they haven't started really using it. The universal ban list. If the first warning a cheater got that his cheat was no longer safe was having his WONID banned on all Half-Life servers instantly, the number of cheaters would drop pretty fast. Especially since lots of them share a common pool of stolen WONIDs - one dumb cheater could entirely lock out all his little friends, even the smart ones. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy just thinking about it.
/me envisions a giant hand labelled "VAC" bitchslapping the entire myg0t clan into orbit.
Mmmm....
I moniter my server like a hawk and swap ban listes with a bunch of other servers. My experince has been while you do get an occasional cheater most just move on looking for easier meat.
C-D seems to already have to many holes in it. It allso conjures up memories of that rather use less and sometimes destructive Pumk Buster system
P.S.Before anyone flames me,i used that wallhack to look at demos when i was a dod server admin.Why would i want to cheat with MT and parasite in the game?
Go ahead, don't bother reading. Just rant. Have fun with it.
I have never had any drop in FPS or seen any gameplay difference when playing on VAC enabled servers.
VAC is better then CD. Do you think CD has not been bypassed by cheaters? I know VAC has also, but at least they are working on a solution that will allow them to update it so often that cheats won't work. (The majority that is). I also like the global banning idea.
Edit: BTW "It has been known that XP fixes these errors". A quote from that thread.
That IMO is potentially the most powerful part of VAC, but as far as I know they haven't started really using it. The universal ban list. If the first warning a cheater got that his cheat was no longer safe was having his WONID banned on all Half-Life servers instantly, the number of cheaters would drop pretty fast. Especially since lots of them share a common pool of stolen WONIDs - one dumb cheater could entirely lock out all his little friends, even the smart ones. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy just thinking about it.
/me envisions a giant hand labelled "VAC" bitchslapping the entire myg0t clan into orbit.
Mmmm.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is the best part of VAC. A global ban system. However, I'd like to have some sort of reassurance that I am not being unjustly banned from one VAC-enabled server - and suddenly find myself unable to join any at all. I wonder how VAC global ban will make sure that people aren't griefed by some Evil Admin.
I'm not at all talking about VAC's cheat stopping abilities. Or CD's.
read this please:
<b>I'm simply saying that playing on VAC enabled servers may cause FPS drops for certain people.</b>
That's all.
I can understand that people post their opinions on VAC but i'd rather discuss, *or better yet* , i'd rather find out why VAC affects certain systems to make the FPS drop.
I know VAC 'works' with or around opengl hooks ( heard this in the valve forum ) so that interference may go wrong on some systems in some way..
Well, what are your opinions on this?
Gaming's tough. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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I'm not at all talking about VAC's cheat stopping abilities. Or CD's.
read this please:
<b>I'm simply saying that playing on VAC enabled servers may cause FPS drops for certain people.</b>
That's all.
I can understand that people post their opinions on VAC but i'd rather discuss, *or better yet* , i'd rather find out why VAC affects certain systems to make the FPS drop.
I know VAC 'works' with or around opengl hooks ( heard this in the valve forum ) so that interference may go wrong on some systems in some way..
Well, what are your opinions on this? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
My opinion is that since it seems to be only happening on certain maps in DoD you should concentrate there.
I remember some fairly good experiences with CD, actually. You have to remember that CD's authentication method is usually changed whenever it comes to the author's attention that it has been cracked and that 'dummy' client versions are out.
In which case it is the responsibility of the SERVER OP to install the new server component so that it is enforced. Just because you say that these versions are out doesn't necessarily mean that the system hasn't been fixed.
Hell, there was an update to CD two days ago to fix these things.
As I said in a previous thread someone made on the same topic, I would seriously encourage the NS team to look at the feasibility of doing some CD bundling with NS.
This realy annoying and i dont play on CD servers anymore simply becuz it makes my FPS fall to like 15-25 <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
This realy annoying and i dont play on CD servers anymore simply becuz it makes my FPS fall to like 15-25 <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
There are some variables you can change in-game to cause CD to use less CPU cycles at the expense of accuracy, did you read the readme stuff at all?
You're not running in software mode or something are you?
shouldn't have to. Some people like to play their games.
I'd rather see VAC implemented, because then there would be no use for CD.
If you think VAC is a problem to your FPS, wait until every server requires CD. Not only do you lose FPS, you have to update it constantly YOURSELF. Which is more of a PITA than VAC's automatic system. Give me VAC. Just so I don't worry about whether or not I'm cheating. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
If someone knows what they're doing, they can easily evade all forms of anti-cheat software that have been out for a single day...and the anti-cheat software doesn't update *THAT* frequently (some does on a regular bi-weekly or so basis), so the cheaters can always stay one step ahead of the anti-cheaters.
You'd have to update several times a day to keep people from cheating, and even at that they might cheat for short periods of time <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->