GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
I'm amazingly impressed at the response so far.
It goes a long way towards me feeling that the work is worthwhile, if only for you guys. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Heck, I think Flay shelled out almost $10,000 on sound alone between the libraries and the voiceovers which were done in a pro studio.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Woah. And that's in US dollars too, so $20,000 Australian. Damn, that's some strong devotion! What's Flayra do for a living anyway? He's gotta be raking in a fair amount to spend 10k on a free mod <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Meanwhile, back in Australia, we see Ryo-Ohki trying to convince various banks that he is worthy of a credit card...
Flayra was unemployed by choice - he worked on this mod fulltime after leaving SSS. He spent all this money out of savings, and lived very very frugally for a few years. He makes exactly whatever people donate or buy through the NS store, and that's it. The other team members have jobs for the most part, or are students. I can only imagine how much Flay has actually paid, as the NS website alone is about $1500 a year before we go over bandwidth (during every major release). Readyroom.org had similar fees (especially during playtesting where I'd max bandwidth after about a week into a month and have to start paying per GB), but I can afford them. Flayra is just a big ol' hippy that loves NS more than anyone.
If you're sending money through the postal service, you can pay in any format that a US bank will recognize and reimburse. This includes cheques, money orders, travelors checks, etc. Cash too, but that's not recommended.
/me redoubles his efforts to aquire a credit card. C'mon people, Flayra has to eat! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I didn't know it was quite like that, I assumed with Flayra's near godly efforts in NS he would be able to find a good programming/development position. But it's his choice, I'm just glad he can make ends meet and still find the time for this fantastic mod <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Flayra has already posted elsewhere it's not getting <b>any</b> old coding job thats the problem. He stated that it's finding a good one thats the problem.
$20 on its way as soon as 1.1 is released (and once i've figured out the wonID stuff <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
I can understand everyone's aversion to PayPal. In the past, I have felt the same way. I am still a bit leery of PayPal, even now. However, in my research, the <b>only</b> user who has danger of money loss is the person receiving the money, not the person sending it. So I don't think you have any reason to worry.
<!--QuoteBegin--Jobabob+Feb 25 2003, 12:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jobabob @ Feb 25 2003, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It'd be nice to 'stand out' from the others as someone who cares for the community, however by the looks of it, so many bloody people will join the constellation program, that there'll only be one or two people on the scoreboard who DONT have a symbol by their name <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
BTW Flay, if I give you like $300, can I have you're icon by my name instead please?
and the sourcecode to ns. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, then it will be 'cool' to NOT have one by your name.
<!--QuoteBegin--Aaron+Feb 26 2003, 04:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aaron @ Feb 26 2003, 04:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> what do the icons look like again? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> he hasn't shown us what the constellation icons look like yet,
<!--QuoteBegin--rapid-x+Feb 26 2003, 04:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rapid-x @ Feb 26 2003, 04:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Umm, You do realise for us Canadians its aboot $45 to equal $20US.
Unfair in my pocketbook. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Bah, what kind of math are you using? it's actually around $32 canadian or so.
As for what they might look like, found this: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/up...-1042793434.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/up...-1042793434.jpg</a>
off this thread: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=24148&st=15' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...1&t=24148&st=15</a>
Just a thought, what would happen if everyone donate?... Hmm... 13489 registered members, let's say everyone pays 20$... 13489 x 20 = 269780 $ Flay would become very rich lol <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
Hardly. If people donated THAT kind of cash, you'd probably see a totally new NS2 with a whole new engine. But I wouldn't hold your breath that that kind of money is forthcoming. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
[WHO]ThemYou can call me DaveJoin Date: 2002-12-11Member: 10593Members, Constellation
I'd venture to say that the flow will probably hit a slump when it hits $4,000 (approx 200 donaters). But with the right advertising it could probably hit triple that before slowing to a trickle.
Just wanted to let you know that our donation system has been formally announced and launched. It's called the <b>Constellation</b>. Of course, anyone that has already donated $20 or more is part of this.
Please don't feel like you have to donate to be a part of the community. NS will always be free, and we always want you to play, no matter what. Donation is totally optional so I don't want any guilt. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey flayra, does this icon replace existing admin authicon on my own server come 1.1, or will I have both beside my name??
yeah i would like to know tooo if the server ops icon will be replaced. btw flayra, nice idea <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> u might want to include maybe 3 levels of donation "constalation" icons, for how much somebody donated maybe like: Level3 icon 20-25$ Level2 25-40$ Level1 40$+ Also you really should give some special rights for at least the Level 1 donators. For everybody out there sceptical, you must realize how much it costs for haveing a site and forum up like this, paying for the space and the bandwith. And the people programming can't really job and read all the forums and drive NS on... and think about all those other features, and maybe...maybe one day flayra might make for NSII a own engine!!! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
also i might suggest that donators might beable to donate for specifc features like NS Radio, the Site&Forum, bread and clothes for the programmers ..... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
also i have a question, do we have to donate b4 1.1? or could we also do that later?
<!--QuoteBegin--Exer+Feb 26 2003, 10:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Exer @ Feb 26 2003, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for what they might look like, found this: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/up...-1042793434.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/up...-1042793434.jpg</a>
off this thread: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=24148&st=15' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...1&t=24148&st=15</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> the top one is the dev icon, flayra, monse and a few other i believe have it, (def_one, etc.)
the next 2 are the playtester icon, the marine and the alien one respectively
Sounds great, I'll donate myself. Just a bit curious, about the implementation. I don't know much about game development or networking myself, though. There seems to be alot of people that are interested in donating... that would be alot of names, would they be constantly updated in a central server, every time someone joined, would it be like a big sorted list or something stored client or server side?
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Feb 26 2003, 12:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Feb 26 2003, 12:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Flayra is just a big ol' hippy that loves NS more than anyone. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If NS was like a teddy bear then I can imagine Flay hugging it every night to sleep... ^^
Anyways, I'm all for the donation thing, icon or not. But the thing that really worries me is the Paypal thing. and I dont have a credit card as of yet... but I'm most willing to donate ^^
<!--QuoteBegin--SkitZoFrenic+Feb 28 2003, 02:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SkitZoFrenic @ Feb 28 2003, 02:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> so wait...if i donate $20, i get admin ****? or...just the lame little icon? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you donate, you help the Natural Selection Community, the icon is just a bonus. It is to make people more obivious of others who <span style='color:red'> actively </span>help the community.
Like if i hear people bitching around during a game "I want this ..... ", "They should make this cool feature...." etc. and i press tab and see no icon then "STUFU!!!"
<!--QuoteBegin--Kharaa_0z+Feb 27 2003, 08:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kharaa_0z @ Feb 27 2003, 08:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Exer+Feb 26 2003, 10:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Exer @ Feb 26 2003, 10:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for what they might look like, found this: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/up...-1042793434.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/up...-1042793434.jpg</a>
off this thread: <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=24148&st=15' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...1&t=24148&st=15</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> the top one is the dev icon, flayra, monse and a few other i believe have it, (def_one, etc.)
the next 2 are the playtester icon, the marine and the alien one respectively
the last one is the server admin icon <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wrong.
The blue TSA logo is the Dev one, the yellow skulk is the playtester icon and the green one is the admin one as you say.
However, the yellowy-green marine indicates an NS guide, not a PT. Although some PTs are also NS guides.
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Feel guilty you basta*ds! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
It goes a long way towards me feeling that the work is worthwhile, if only for you guys. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Woah. And that's in US dollars too, so $20,000 Australian. Damn, that's some strong devotion! What's Flayra do for a living anyway? He's gotta be raking in a fair amount to spend 10k on a free mod <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Meanwhile, back in Australia, we see Ryo-Ohki trying to convince various banks that he is worthy of a credit card...
Can you pay with money orders?
If you're sending money through the postal service, you can pay in any format that a US bank will recognize and reimburse. This includes cheques, money orders, travelors checks, etc. Cash too, but that's not recommended.
I didn't know it was quite like that, I assumed with Flayra's near godly efforts in NS he would be able to find a good programming/development position. But it's his choice, I'm just glad he can make ends meet and still find the time for this fantastic mod <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
BTW Flay, if I give you like $300, can I have you're icon by my name instead please?
and the sourcecode to ns. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, then it will be 'cool' to NOT have one by your name.
<img src='http://shadowbane.homestead.com/files/SkillSig.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Uhhhh.....
<img src='http://mywebpages.comcast.net/SemperFidelis_0/nssig2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
...Hmmm.
Unfair in my pocketbook. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
he hasn't shown us what the constellation icons look like yet,
Unfair in my pocketbook. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bah, what kind of math are you using? it's actually around $32 canadian or so.
As for what they might look like, found this:
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/up...-1042793434.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/up...-1042793434.jpg</a>
off this thread:
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=24148&st=15' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...1&t=24148&st=15</a>
<!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just wanted to let you know that our donation system has been formally announced and launched. It's called the <b>Constellation</b>. Of course, anyone that has already donated $20 or more is part of this.
Please don't feel like you have to donate to be a part of the community. NS will always be free, and we always want you to play, no matter what. Donation is totally optional so I don't want any guilt. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey flayra, does this icon replace existing admin authicon on my own server come 1.1, or will I have both beside my name??
btw flayra, nice idea <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> u might want to include maybe 3 levels of donation "constalation" icons, for how much somebody donated maybe like: Level3 icon 20-25$ Level2 25-40$ Level1 40$+
Also you really should give some special rights for at least the Level 1 donators.
For everybody out there sceptical, you must realize how much it costs for haveing a site and forum up like this, paying for the space and the bandwith. And the people programming can't really job and read all the forums and drive NS on... and think about all those other features, and maybe...maybe one day flayra might make for NSII a own engine!!! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
also i might suggest that donators might beable to donate for specifc features like NS Radio, the Site&Forum, bread and clothes for the programmers ..... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
also i have a question, do we have to donate b4 1.1? or could we also do that later?
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/up...-1042793434.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/up...-1042793434.jpg</a>
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<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=24148&st=15' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...1&t=24148&st=15</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
the top one is the dev icon, flayra, monse and a few other i believe have it, (def_one, etc.)
the next 2 are the playtester icon, the marine and the alien one respectively
the last one is the server admin icon
Just a bit curious, about the implementation. I don't know much about game development or networking myself, though.
There seems to be alot of people that are interested in donating... that would be alot of names, would they be constantly updated in a central server, every time someone joined, would it be like a big sorted list or something stored client or server side?
If NS was like a teddy bear then I can imagine Flay hugging it every night to sleep... ^^
Anyways, I'm all for the donation thing, icon or not. But the thing that really worries me is the Paypal thing. and I dont have a credit card as of yet... but I'm most willing to donate ^^
If you donate, you help the Natural Selection Community, the icon is just a bonus.
It is to make people more obivious of others who <span style='color:red'> actively </span>help the community.
Like if i hear people bitching around during a game "I want this ..... ", "They should make this cool feature...." etc. and i press tab and see no icon then "STUFU!!!"
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/up...-1042793434.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/up...-1042793434.jpg</a>
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<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=24148&st=15' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...1&t=24148&st=15</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the top one is the dev icon, flayra, monse and a few other i believe have it, (def_one, etc.)
the next 2 are the playtester icon, the marine and the alien one respectively
the last one is the server admin icon <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wrong.
The blue TSA logo is the Dev one, the yellow skulk is the playtester icon and the green one is the admin one as you say.
However, the yellowy-green marine indicates an NS guide, not a PT. Although some PTs are also NS guides.