So tired of being forced to Marine
MoFo1
United States Join Date: 2014-07-25 Member: 197612Members
United States Join Date: 2014-07-25 Member: 197612Members
Shuffle desperately needs to be tweaked so that it doesn't force people on the team they hate 3,4,5,6+ times in a row!!!
Just now tried to play, got to join the Alien team for the game in progress (which only lasted about 6-7 min longer) then was subsequently forced by shuffle to play Marine for 3 games in a row.
This after yesterday where I was forced onto the Marine team a staggering 5 games in a row!!
There's just no point even trying to play when all I do is run around dying repeatedly, ending every game at the bottom of the scoreboard with the worst accuracy on the team by far (avg 5-10% I often get harassed over it) Especially when I might only have 2 hours to play, I get 20 min of fun on Alien and an 1 hour 40 min of pure hell on Marine...
Why can't we have something built into shuffle like the !switch feature from Tactical Gamer? (type !switch if you want the other team, if someone else wants to switch with you they can by typing !switch) This not only lets people switch off of the team they hate (so often when I'm forced Marine there's someone on Alien complaining about not being able to play Marine!) but it also allows people to manually fix flaws that pop up in some shuffles (like when two 4k hive players get placed on one team with all 2k's and below on the other)
Sorry if I'm ranting a little but I really think doing something to fix this problem could only help to improve the game for everyone. Especially those of us who greatly prefer one side over the other.
Just now tried to play, got to join the Alien team for the game in progress (which only lasted about 6-7 min longer) then was subsequently forced by shuffle to play Marine for 3 games in a row.
This after yesterday where I was forced onto the Marine team a staggering 5 games in a row!!
There's just no point even trying to play when all I do is run around dying repeatedly, ending every game at the bottom of the scoreboard with the worst accuracy on the team by far (avg 5-10% I often get harassed over it) Especially when I might only have 2 hours to play, I get 20 min of fun on Alien and an 1 hour 40 min of pure hell on Marine...
Why can't we have something built into shuffle like the !switch feature from Tactical Gamer? (type !switch if you want the other team, if someone else wants to switch with you they can by typing !switch) This not only lets people switch off of the team they hate (so often when I'm forced Marine there's someone on Alien complaining about not being able to play Marine!) but it also allows people to manually fix flaws that pop up in some shuffles (like when two 4k hive players get placed on one team with all 2k's and below on the other)
Sorry if I'm ranting a little but I really think doing something to fix this problem could only help to improve the game for everyone. Especially those of us who greatly prefer one side over the other.
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It is actually one of the simplest test for whether random coin tosses are made by humans;
They think streaks are staggering rare.
Assuming that you have played 1000 games, the probability for you having seen 10-streak is above 50%.
This information of course does not change that it is annoying when it happens; Just that in a "fair" shuffle this will happen.
Guess what happens after that swap happened? Someone will be unhappy being swapped and initiate a vote....
But also, why do we need a shuffle? People could make even teams with speaking to each other, but that's outdated somehow.....
But the majority has already decided at that point.
We need a shuffle because beforehand the alien team would be stacked 90% of the time. By "favourite" they mean "side I think I am better at" and I wish people would stop bellyaching about the result of a shuffle and just play the game at times. I was on a server earlier where it was just constant shuffle votes and then map changes because people weren't getting their way. It wasn't worth staying.
When you only have an hour or two to play and shuffle sticks you on the team you HATE playing for 75% or more of that time... there's valid reason to complain.
It's just no fun at all in any way whatsoever for me to play marine, doing nothing but dying over and over, contributing nothing, sitting at the bottom of the scoreboard every single game.. I hate it SO much that if this shuffle crap had been in the game back when I bought it, I would've been refunding for sure.
At least on alien even if I'm up against a team of 4k+ marines I can still have fun and be useful to the team as a gorge...
This is literally all we need, TGNS 'switch' feature put into vanilla.
Then you have yet to experience a good catpack/flamer rush x)
Oh sure I have, the problem is I'm always the first one to die. Not much fun waiting to spawn while your team wins.
Maybe if marines had an "engineer" support class it wouldn't be so agonizing. (marine wasn't so bad in NS2 combat because I could build stuff like obs/sentry guns)
But far far FAR easier to just incorporate TGNS 'switch into vanilla...
I think you need to reflect on why you "HATE" playing something because it's difficult for you and want others to accommodate this attitude.
Then don't participate in hive rushes, or stick to the back if you do.
Go hunt RTs, be the commanders build slave, defend phase gates or simply walk down unused lanes as early warning system.
If three of these jobs are covered, the chances of winning any pub game already increase a lot.
Apart from that it feels like that @MoFo1 likes to play support roles, which the marine side doesn't rly offer (apart from the commander but you need a thick skin for that)... unless you count the FT as support weapon.
There's nothing quite like comming in a pub and then losing the round - everyone has an opinion on what mistakes the comm made and what they have done instead.
If I try to be a "build slave" I end up being yelled at for "not doing anything"
If I try hunting RT's, on the rare occasions I actually get TO the RT without being discovered and killed, I rarely manage to do more than chip off a sliver of it's hp before a single skulk comes in and kills me. Kind of need to be able to kill Aliens in order to hunt RT's...
Same goes with defending phase gates, you need to be able to hit Aliens and get kills to defend. I jump through all the time guns blazing but it never accomplishes anything.
Ironically I actually can defend res nodes and phase gates if I'm already in the room camping and can ambush the Aliens biting it. I've had great success using this "smarter not harder" play style. I even got the defend 10 extractors achievement legit!! Also pinched so many lerks/fades/onos this way, and couldn't even guess how many ninja tunnel rushes I shut down.
For a short time playing Marine wasn't completely miserable and I felt like I was at least partially contributing, but unfortunately playing this way also led to me being harassed and vote kicked so often that I ended up uninstalling NS2 for like 6-8 months... So I literally can't play that way thanks to how toxic our lovely little community is.
So I can 'run n gun' with everyone else and just die over and over (and over and over) never accomplishing anything
or
I can defend, camp, ambush, kill skulks/gorges, pinch lerks/fades, spot/destroy ninja tunnels, warn about base rushes... and subsequently get harassed and votekicked for it...
No fun either way.
Usually one person starts raging that I'm "doing nothing" then they start the vote kick, then others see me camping/defending and I get yelled at to "move forward". I'll try to explain that I'm defending and I won't be able to do anything if I push forward. That's when the harassment starts and the kick votes roll in...
It's not a server specific thing. It's the NS2 community in general (too many elitists)
I suspect you're not being kicked because of how you play, but how you act.
I find it hard to imagine that american servers are that consistently full of assholes, or that the world is out to specifically get you. If it smells like shit everywhere you go, check your shoe.
Pretty much this. Your average pubber has enough trouble telling where the enemies are and where they should go, never mind keeping tabs on the activity of their fellow marines.
I'd admit you could be right if it was a possibility, but I've even been harassed/vote kicked when all I did was type "all I'll be able to do is die" then subsequently leave my "doing nothing" ambush point and die a bunch.
Was even one time on mineshaft where I was running around literally nonstop with the team trying my best, and I got harassed by or comm and vote kicked for "sitting afk in central".. nobody believed that I was dying in other rooms (operations, crusher, deposit) and simply phasing to central each time I respawned.
I even complained about this toxic person on the forums and everyone under the sun (including their significant other) jumped in to defend.. I was labeled a 'troll' and like now everyone just assumed that I must've done something to deserve it, nobody wants to admit how toxic the community can be...
Just add TGNS 'switch' to vanilla and it becomes a non-issue. I've never once been harassed or vote kicked from Alien.
Take the following scenario, 1-2 skulks are biting C-12 res, I'm the only marine on that side of the map (in topo) and I move to defend/ambush when they move forward.
1) If I listen to others and "try to save the res" it's literally a guaranteed failure 99% of the time, then the skulks move forward and we lose topo too.
2) If I ignore the command and wait to ambush, I'm able to kill them and defend topo a good 80-85% of the time, then I can rebuild C-12, but my team yells at me and calls for kick votes.
If I do #1 I'm doing nothing, accomplishing nothing, and I get shamed at the end for my low acc... If I do #2 I'm getting harassed and/or vote kicked...
There is no way to win besides improving my aim by an insane margin overnight (which won't happen unless I magically get younger)
Edit: sorry for double post, I'm on my phone
I also have literally never seen anybody kicked for low skill. Berated? Shit talked? Sure, all that stuff happens pretty regularly, although pretty much exclusively against people who do not acknowledge their team in any way, including voice and text chat, and don't seem to have a solid grasp of important concepts such as laneblocking.
I only play on european servers, though.
Still, the common denominator here is you.
Anyway, you're playing the game pretty long, so you should have some experience...
If you die against good players, thats fine, but you usually meet the average hobo with no clue how to engage properly.
When you say you have 500 Hiveskill as marine, that means you have no mapawareness, zero aim and run like a lemming ... or you have 10 fps in this game... otherwise it's not possible to play that bad
A list only for you, since it's not the first time I've seen you play poorly
Some issues I saw you do or not do:
1) never ever stand close to eachother because if one skulk is on you (or your mate), if the skulk has no traveltime between you the other guy it's likely that you are not meatshield, rather a skulksshield because you block bullets and the skulk kills probably your mate because of your positioning
2) when a marine is in front of you, always aim at his feet, or where skulks might attack him... this isn't counterstrike where you need to aim at your "headheight"
What you do: shoot (20-50 damage), skulks bite you / dancing around you, you shoot again -> miss -> die
What decent ppl do -> wait till the skulks get close then shoot... especially in the air they're movement is so predictable... and often they literally they jump in your FACE ... if you shoot at that moment you need 0% aim and you still get 100% accuracy.... get one fullhit and take a 1-2 hits
Anyway, if there is a way to get a switch-button I'd like that as well ;-)
Innocent until proven guilty, shitting on this guy isn't really helping. Could be his fault, or maybe not. It doesn't really matter, since all he's really asking for is a better ability to switch teams so that he can avoid this kind of thing in the first place. Benefit of the doubt, ya know