Timer problems in these forums

Jacke · April 2017

I can perhaps understand the 15-minute limit on editting posts. However, if you race to edit your post within those 15 minutes, be sure you don't save twice within 60 seconds. Else you trigger the spam filter and then can't post for 2 minutes.

CharaXP · April 2017

I'm new and I can't make new posts

Kouji_San · April 2017

Note entirely true, the "2 min timeout" is only for creating new threads, you can still edit, it just doesn't show you the update. But that 15min maximum edit time is indeed annoying and also has another drawback. I did some tests, with some interesting conclusions:

https://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/comment/2349713/#Comment_2349713

CharaXP wrote: »

I'm new and I can't make new posts

I'm not entirely sure what the setting is, you might need a certain post count to be able to create a new thread... @Foxy any word on this and that annoying 15min max edit time

Tarkannen · April 2017

If anything I would say a thread-edit (threadit?) lockout would make more sense as having a post become immediately locked out, and then being able to edit it maybe only once every... eight hours? The only reason I can see having a stance on permanent posts is to prevent people from changing the content of a thread/post to maybe mislead with clickbait? But even that (to me) seems odd, as such posts would be modified or deleted by mods, and enough repeated attempts would get their account banned.

I don't quite get why these changes were necessary; I know @Foxy posted earlier that they were nuking excessive spam posters. (Roast em! Toast em!

) I really am glad for all the hard work the creative team is doing cross the board

But... could we get a little insight on why this restriction was enabled? I'm not being fussy, it's just I'm just curious is all.

scifiwriterguy · May 2017

I can't say I understand how locking down edits stops spam posts - those would be new posts, not edits of existing ones, wouldn't they? Because I have to say, the new edit timer lockout...it's really kinda driving me nuts. Admittedly, short trip, but still...

Rezca · May 2017

scifiwriterguy wrote: »

I can't say I understand how locking down edits stops spam posts - those would be new posts, not edits of existing ones, wouldn't they? Because I have to say, the new edit timer lockout...it's really kinda driving me nuts. Admittedly, short trip, but still...

The edit timer seems counterproductive definitely, and especially for someone like me who's obsessed with stamping out typos or spotting a sentence that coulda been clarified better, then riiiiiiiight after I finish editing I see something else that could be fixed, and then it gives me a post ban xD

Posting makes sense, but editing uh.... Not as much?

0x6A7232 · May 2017

It could be they implemented a spam filter that prevented new users from submitting threads with lots of links (or any links?) in them, and this was gotten around by editing? But if that's the case I'd think they could have come up with a more elegant solution, but ofc I don't know how much controll Vanilla offers over the backend, nor how much time the support staff has to combat spam.

Although, I will say this, if spam bots are targeting your forums, it might be a good sign (as you show up as popular in search engines etc, and the spambots are trying to ride that to blast their content to as many people as possible. If these spambots are even aware of those metrics. Depends on how much work went into the spambot!)

CharaXP · May 2017

I found a bug but I can't report it in the forum because I am new........amazing

0x6A7232 · May 2017

CharaXP wrote: »

I found a bug but I can't report it in the forum because I am new........amazing

Post it here and ask someone to x-post it to Bug Reporting.

Enderguy059 · May 2017

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!? THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!!

CharaXP · May 2017

0x6A7232 wrote: »

CharaXP wrote: »

I found a bug but I can't report it in the forum because I am new........amazing

Post it here and ask someone to x-post it to Bug Reporting.

Prawn Suit Torpedo Arm, login bug

<a href="http://imgur.com/IcE3I5O"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/IcE3I5O.png" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

0x6A7232 · May 2017

Here:

https://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/151762/prawn-suit-torpedo-arm-login-bug/p1

Kouji_San · May 2017

Rezca wrote: »

scifiwriterguy wrote: »

I can't say I understand how locking down edits stops spam posts - those would be new posts, not edits of existing ones, wouldn't they? Because I have to say, the new edit timer lockout...it's really kinda driving me nuts. Admittedly, short trip, but still...

The edit timer seems counterproductive definitely, and especially for someone like me who's obsessed with stamping out typos or spotting a sentence that coulda been clarified better, then riiiiiiiight after I finish editing I see something else that could be fixed, and then it gives me a post ban xD

Posting makes sense, but editing uh.... Not as much?

You can still edit as you like, it just doesn't show you the update. You have to refresh the page to see it, but by all means edit to your hearts content WITHIN THAT 15MIN

https://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/comment/2349713/#Comment_2349713

BUT edits also counts towards the maximum of creating two threads within 2min. That is basically all it counts towards, you can still post and edit (you can simply ignore that red banner for this. The thing is, you aren't allowed to create new threads when that banner pops up tell you to gtfo

*** That 15min , edit time is a bastard in any case ***

\o/

Jamezorg · May 2017

It's annoying because I write Flagship Eclipse, and odds are no one's going to tell me if there are any mistakes within 15 minutes of posting. If I write a chapter, sleep, and then wake up to people telling me there's a spelling or grammar mistake there's nothing I can do about it anymore.

Foxy · May 2017

Looking into this.

Tarkannen · May 2017

Thank you so much @Foxy! I know it's a small detail, but we'd appreciate anything that you can do for us.

As for me, at least my OCD tendencies will stop flaring up after making a post, without having to worry about grammar and spelling, heh...

Gnomaana · May 2017

Seriously, new users can't post new threads? That is an odd choice. New members will almost always be looking to ask a question or report a bug or both. Which would normally be a new thread.

I rarely reply to other threads in a forum I'm new to. a.) I don't know the players involved so don't want to butt in and b) I usually join forums when I'm pretty new to the game so it's not like I'm going to be able to help many people that ask questions.

scifiwriterguy · May 2017

Gnomaana wrote: »

Seriously, new users can't post new threads? That is an odd choice. New members will almost always be looking to ask a question or report a bug or both. Which would normally be a new thread.

I rarely reply to other threads in a forum I'm new to. a.) I don't know the players involved so don't want to butt in and b) I usually join forums when I'm pretty new to the game so it's not like I'm going to be able to help many people that ask questions.

Necessary evil, unfortunately. There was a plague of spambots recently, and each one was a new account that began blast-posting. I totally understand your point and agree, but it was kind of a triage situation. Hopefully, a more precise solution will be in the offing.

Gnomaana · May 2017

scifiwriterguy wrote: »

Necessary evil, unfortunately. There was a plague of spambots recently, and each one was a new account that began blast-posting. I totally understand your point and agree, but it was kind of a triage situation. Hopefully, a more precise solution will be in the offing.

I'm not running the forums so I guess I can't really know but how do other forums handle the same situation. I'm members of several and this is the only one I couldn't even ask a question. Wouldn't a verification email have sufficed?

So when will I be able to post new threads? I have this great deal on working from home I think everyone here would be interested in. J/K

Rezca · May 2017

Gnomaana wrote: »

scifiwriterguy wrote: »

Necessary evil, unfortunately. There was a plague of spambots recently, and each one was a new account that began blast-posting. I totally understand your point and agree, but it was kind of a triage situation. Hopefully, a more precise solution will be in the offing.

I'm not running the forums so I guess I can't really know but how do other forums handle the same situation. I'm members of several and this is the only one I couldn't even ask a question. Wouldn't a verification email have sufficed?

So when will I be able to post new threads? I have this great deal on working from home I think everyone here would be interested in. J/K

I think maybe asking a question or something might be one possible solution. Make it something relatively simple so people could still get in like what the developers are called (Unknown Worlds

) or what their underwater game is called (Subnautica!

)

It wouldn't catch everything but it'd allow the legit users to at least ask their questions right off the bat.

0x6A7232 · May 2017

I'd limit to one new topic per day for a week or something, with anything above requiring review and approval.

garath · May 2017

It takes a lot of work to moderate forums like this one, and malicious people trying to abuse the forums by posting spam threads make it even harder. Quick shout out to our forum moderators for doing a great--and often thankless job as moderators.

I know it may be disappointing that changes had to be implemented to combat the spam threads. But please remember it is a human person investing their time to moderate theses forums. One again, it is a very hard job to do.

phantomfinch · May 2017

I don't get why where is a timer on the edit.
The edit feature allows for people with reading issues like dislexia to re read their posts and make appropriate changes, the timer allows for a 15 minute window that is really unfair on slow readers to need to edit or the dislexic who couldn't find the issue, please remove the timer on the edit cause I use an iPad and when it auto corrects it's screws up my post and if I can't fix it it triggers my OCD.

Gnomaana · May 2017

garath wrote: »

It takes a lot of work to moderate forums like this one, and malicious people trying to abuse the forums by posting spam threads make it even harder. Quick shout out to our forum moderators for doing a great--and often thankless job as moderators.

I know it may be disappointing that changes had to be implemented to combat the spam threads. But please remember it is a human person investing their time to moderate theses forums. One again, it is a very hard job to do.

Yes, it is. But, the solution chosen to stop spam also stopped legitimate posters from using the forums for their intended purpose. At least by anyone other than current members. If ease of moderation is the only metric, then shut them down. That is far and away the easiest forum to moderate.

I had a basic question in how to get around a bug in the new build. To ask it, I had to hijack someone else's thread. I tried to pick one that it made the most sense to ask in but it was still relatively off topic. I really don't like having to do it that way.

DaveyNY · May 2017

Maybe we should sticky a "Beginners Questions & Answers" thread to the top of this forum for folks to use in that manner?

Skope · May 2017

DaveyNY wrote: »

Maybe we should sticky a "Beginners Questions & Answers" thread to the top of this forum for folks to use in that manner?

Beginners Questions and Answers.

Our professional players are standing by to answer your questions! But if you call in the next 30 minutes, well throw in a pro tip with your answer! A €200 value for the low price of free! Just call 1-800-IMA-NOOB. That's 1-800-IMA-NOOB, and get your Subnautica questions answered today!

Sounds like a good idea to me.

scifiwriterguy · May 2017

Skope wrote: »

DaveyNY wrote: »

Maybe we should sticky a "Beginners Questions & Answers" thread to the top of this forum for folks to use in that manner?

Beginners Questions and Answers.

Our professional players are standing by to answer your questions! But if you call in the next 30 minutes, well throw in a pro tip with your answer! A €200 value for the low price of free! Just call 1-800-IMA-NOOB. That's 1-800-IMA-NOOB, and get your Subnautica questions answered today!
Sounds like a good idea to me.

You hiring?

AceDude · May 2017

I changed the settings a bit. You might now start a topic 1 day after you registered and after 1 post. You can edit for 24hrs.

That should be a good balance between spam protection and annoyance.

Rezca · May 2017

AceDude wrote: »

I changed the settings a bit. You might now start a topic 1 day after you registered and after 1 post. You can edit for 24hrs.

That should be a good balance between spam protection and annoyance.

Awesome~ And the increased edit time should help loads for those like me who end up seeing tons of flaws and typos with their posts after making them xD

Though I noticed since the update, the IMG feature isn't working anymore

Kouji_San · May 2017

There's always one in the crowd

But what about those long term first posts in "stickied" or informative threads, which have to be edited from time to time? I for one have a few that require fresh information but cannot be edited anymore

TBH I see no use in enforcing a time limit on edits, having them counting towards spam protection. I've yet to encounter a bot which edits their own posts

scifiwriterguy · May 2017

Thanks, @AceDude!

Timer problems in these forums

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