Timer problems in these forums

JackeJacke Calgary Join Date: 2017-03-20 Member: 229061Members
in Subnautica General Discussion
I can perhaps understand the 15-minute limit on editting posts. However, if you race to edit your post within those 15 minutes, be sure you don't save twice within 60 seconds. Else you trigger the spam filter and then can't post for 2 minutes.
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  • CharaXPCharaXP Italy Join Date: 2017-04-29 Member: 230110Members
    I'm new and I can't make new posts :persevere:
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited April 2017
    Note entirely true, the "2 min timeout" is only for creating new threads, you can still edit, it just doesn't show you the update. But that 15min maximum edit time is indeed annoying and also has another drawback. I did some tests, with some interesting conclusions:

    https://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/comment/2349713/#Comment_2349713

    CharaXP wrote: »
    I'm new and I can't make new posts :persevere:

    I'm not entirely sure what the setting is, you might need a certain post count to be able to create a new thread... @Foxy any word on this and that annoying 15min max edit time :D
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  • TarkannenTarkannen North Carolina Join Date: 2016-08-15 Member: 221304Members
    If anything I would say a thread-edit (threadit?) lockout would make more sense as having a post become immediately locked out, and then being able to edit it maybe only once every... eight hours? The only reason I can see having a stance on permanent posts is to prevent people from changing the content of a thread/post to maybe mislead with clickbait? But even that (to me) seems odd, as such posts would be modified or deleted by mods, and enough repeated attempts would get their account banned.

    I don't quite get why these changes were necessary; I know @Foxy posted earlier that they were nuking excessive spam posters. (Roast em! Toast em! :cookie:) I really am glad for all the hard work the creative team is doing cross the board :blush: But... could we get a little insight on why this restriction was enabled? I'm not being fussy, it's just I'm just curious is all. :)
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  • scifiwriterguyscifiwriterguy Sector ZZ-9-Plural Z-α Join Date: 2017-02-14 Member: 227901Members
    I can't say I understand how locking down edits stops spam posts - those would be new posts, not edits of existing ones, wouldn't they? Because I have to say, the new edit timer lockout...it's really kinda driving me nuts. Admittedly, short trip, but still...
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  • RezcaRezca United States Join Date: 2016-04-28 Member: 216078Members
    scifiwriterguy wrote: »
    I can't say I understand how locking down edits stops spam posts - those would be new posts, not edits of existing ones, wouldn't they? Because I have to say, the new edit timer lockout...it's really kinda driving me nuts. Admittedly, short trip, but still...

    The edit timer seems counterproductive definitely, and especially for someone like me who's obsessed with stamping out typos or spotting a sentence that coulda been clarified better, then riiiiiiiight after I finish editing I see something else that could be fixed, and then it gives me a post ban xD

    Posting makes sense, but editing uh.... Not as much?
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  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    It could be they implemented a spam filter that prevented new users from submitting threads with lots of links (or any links?) in them, and this was gotten around by editing? But if that's the case I'd think they could have come up with a more elegant solution, but ofc I don't know how much controll Vanilla offers over the backend, nor how much time the support staff has to combat spam.

    Although, I will say this, if spam bots are targeting your forums, it might be a good sign (as you show up as popular in search engines etc, and the spambots are trying to ride that to blast their content to as many people as possible. If these spambots are even aware of those metrics. Depends on how much work went into the spambot!)
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  • CharaXPCharaXP Italy Join Date: 2017-04-29 Member: 230110Members
    I found a bug but I can't report it in the forum because I am new........amazing :persevere:
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  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    CharaXP wrote: »
    I found a bug but I can't report it in the forum because I am new........amazing :persevere:

    Post it here and ask someone to x-post it to Bug Reporting.
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  • Enderguy059Enderguy059 Australia Join Date: 2015-10-15 Member: 208486Members
    ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?!? THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!!
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  • CharaXPCharaXP Italy Join Date: 2017-04-29 Member: 230110Members
    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    CharaXP wrote: »
    I found a bug but I can't report it in the forum because I am new........amazing :persevere:

    Post it here and ask someone to x-post it to Bug Reporting.
    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    CharaXP wrote: »
    I found a bug but I can't report it in the forum because I am new........amazing :persevere:

    Post it here and ask someone to x-post it to Bug Reporting.

    Prawn Suit Torpedo Arm, login bug

    <a href="http://imgur.com/IcE3I5O"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/IcE3I5O.png&quot; title="source: imgur.com" /></a>
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  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    Here:

    https://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/151762/prawn-suit-torpedo-arm-login-bug/p1
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited May 2017
    Rezca wrote: »
    scifiwriterguy wrote: »
    I can't say I understand how locking down edits stops spam posts - those would be new posts, not edits of existing ones, wouldn't they? Because I have to say, the new edit timer lockout...it's really kinda driving me nuts. Admittedly, short trip, but still...

    The edit timer seems counterproductive definitely, and especially for someone like me who's obsessed with stamping out typos or spotting a sentence that coulda been clarified better, then riiiiiiiight after I finish editing I see something else that could be fixed, and then it gives me a post ban xD

    Posting makes sense, but editing uh.... Not as much?

    You can still edit as you like, it just doesn't show you the update. You have to refresh the page to see it, but by all means edit to your hearts content WITHIN THAT 15MIN :o

    https://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/comment/2349713/#Comment_2349713


    BUT edits also counts towards the maximum of creating two threads within 2min. That is basically all it counts towards, you can still post and edit (you can simply ignore that red banner for this. The thing is, you aren't allowed to create new threads when that banner pops up tell you to gtfo :D

    *** That 15min , edit time is a bastard in any case ***

    \o/
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  • JamezorgJamezorg United Kingdom Join Date: 2016-05-15 Member: 216788Members
    It's annoying because I write Flagship Eclipse, and odds are no one's going to tell me if there are any mistakes within 15 minutes of posting. If I write a chapter, sleep, and then wake up to people telling me there's a spelling or grammar mistake there's nothing I can do about it anymore.
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  • TarkannenTarkannen North Carolina Join Date: 2016-08-15 Member: 221304Members
    Thank you so much @Foxy! I know it's a small detail, but we'd appreciate anything that you can do for us. :blush: As for me, at least my OCD tendencies will stop flaring up after making a post, without having to worry about grammar and spelling, heh... :sweat_smile:
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  • GnomaanaGnomaana Join Date: 2017-05-02 Member: 230179Members
    Seriously, new users can't post new threads? That is an odd choice. New members will almost always be looking to ask a question or report a bug or both. Which would normally be a new thread.

    I rarely reply to other threads in a forum I'm new to. a.) I don't know the players involved so don't want to butt in and b) I usually join forums when I'm pretty new to the game so it's not like I'm going to be able to help many people that ask questions.
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  • scifiwriterguyscifiwriterguy Sector ZZ-9-Plural Z-α Join Date: 2017-02-14 Member: 227901Members
    Gnomaana wrote: »
    Seriously, new users can't post new threads? That is an odd choice. New members will almost always be looking to ask a question or report a bug or both. Which would normally be a new thread.

    I rarely reply to other threads in a forum I'm new to. a.) I don't know the players involved so don't want to butt in and b) I usually join forums when I'm pretty new to the game so it's not like I'm going to be able to help many people that ask questions.

    Necessary evil, unfortunately. There was a plague of spambots recently, and each one was a new account that began blast-posting. I totally understand your point and agree, but it was kind of a triage situation. Hopefully, a more precise solution will be in the offing. :)
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  • GnomaanaGnomaana Join Date: 2017-05-02 Member: 230179Members
    scifiwriterguy wrote: »
    Necessary evil, unfortunately. There was a plague of spambots recently, and each one was a new account that began blast-posting. I totally understand your point and agree, but it was kind of a triage situation. Hopefully, a more precise solution will be in the offing. :)

    I'm not running the forums so I guess I can't really know but how do other forums handle the same situation. I'm members of several and this is the only one I couldn't even ask a question. Wouldn't a verification email have sufficed?

    So when will I be able to post new threads? I have this great deal on working from home I think everyone here would be interested in. J/K ;)
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  • RezcaRezca United States Join Date: 2016-04-28 Member: 216078Members
    Gnomaana wrote: »
    scifiwriterguy wrote: »
    Necessary evil, unfortunately. There was a plague of spambots recently, and each one was a new account that began blast-posting. I totally understand your point and agree, but it was kind of a triage situation. Hopefully, a more precise solution will be in the offing. :)

    I'm not running the forums so I guess I can't really know but how do other forums handle the same situation. I'm members of several and this is the only one I couldn't even ask a question. Wouldn't a verification email have sufficed?

    So when will I be able to post new threads? I have this great deal on working from home I think everyone here would be interested in. J/K ;)

    I think maybe asking a question or something might be one possible solution. Make it something relatively simple so people could still get in like what the developers are called (Unknown Worlds :3) or what their underwater game is called (Subnautica! :D)

    It wouldn't catch everything but it'd allow the legit users to at least ask their questions right off the bat.

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  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    I'd limit to one new topic per day for a week or something, with anything above requiring review and approval.
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  • garathgarath Texas Join Date: 2017-02-08 Member: 227730Members
    It takes a lot of work to moderate forums like this one, and malicious people trying to abuse the forums by posting spam threads make it even harder. Quick shout out to our forum moderators for doing a great--and often thankless job as moderators.

    I know it may be disappointing that changes had to be implemented to combat the spam threads. But please remember it is a human person investing their time to moderate theses forums. One again, it is a very hard job to do.
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  • phantomfinchphantomfinch West Philadelphia , born and raised on the playground is where I spent most of my days. Join Date: 2016-09-06 Member: 222128Members
    I don't get why where is a timer on the edit.
    The edit feature allows for people with reading issues like dislexia to re read their posts and make appropriate changes, the timer allows for a 15 minute window that is really unfair on slow readers to need to edit or the dislexic who couldn't find the issue, please remove the timer on the edit cause I use an iPad and when it auto corrects it's screws up my post and if I can't fix it it triggers my OCD.
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  • GnomaanaGnomaana Join Date: 2017-05-02 Member: 230179Members
    garath wrote: »
    It takes a lot of work to moderate forums like this one, and malicious people trying to abuse the forums by posting spam threads make it even harder. Quick shout out to our forum moderators for doing a great--and often thankless job as moderators.

    I know it may be disappointing that changes had to be implemented to combat the spam threads. But please remember it is a human person investing their time to moderate theses forums. One again, it is a very hard job to do.

    Yes, it is. But, the solution chosen to stop spam also stopped legitimate posters from using the forums for their intended purpose. At least by anyone other than current members. If ease of moderation is the only metric, then shut them down. That is far and away the easiest forum to moderate.

    I had a basic question in how to get around a bug in the new build. To ask it, I had to hijack someone else's thread. I tried to pick one that it made the most sense to ask in but it was still relatively off topic. I really don't like having to do it that way.
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  • DaveyNYDaveyNY Schenectady, NY Join Date: 2016-08-30 Member: 221903Members
    Maybe we should sticky a "Beginners Questions & Answers" thread to the top of this forum for folks to use in that manner?
    B)
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  • SkopeSkope Wouldn't you like to know ;) Join Date: 2016-06-07 Member: 218212Members
    edited May 2017
    DaveyNY wrote: »
    Maybe we should sticky a "Beginners Questions & Answers" thread to the top of this forum for folks to use in that manner?
    B)

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    Sounds like a good idea to me. ;)
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  • scifiwriterguyscifiwriterguy Sector ZZ-9-Plural Z-α Join Date: 2017-02-14 Member: 227901Members
    Skope wrote: »
    DaveyNY wrote: »
    Maybe we should sticky a "Beginners Questions & Answers" thread to the top of this forum for folks to use in that manner?
    B)

    Beginners Questions and Answers.

    Our professional players are standing by to answer your questions! But if you call in the next 30 minutes, well throw in a pro tip with your answer! A €200 value for the low price of free! Just call 1-800-IMA-NOOB. That's 1-800-IMA-NOOB, and get your Subnautica questions answered today!
    Sounds like a good idea to me. ;)

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  • RezcaRezca United States Join Date: 2016-04-28 Member: 216078Members
    edited May 2017
    AceDude wrote: »
    I changed the settings a bit. You might now start a topic 1 day after you registered and after 1 post. You can edit for 24hrs.

    That should be a good balance between spam protection and annoyance.

    Awesome~ And the increased edit time should help loads for those like me who end up seeing tons of flaws and typos with their posts after making them xD

    Though I noticed since the update, the IMG feature isn't working anymore :open_mouth:
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited May 2017
    There's always one in the crowd :trollface: But what about those long term first posts in "stickied" or informative threads, which have to be edited from time to time? I for one have a few that require fresh information but cannot be edited anymore


    TBH I see no use in enforcing a time limit on edits, having them counting towards spam protection. I've yet to encounter a bot which edits their own posts :D
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  • scifiwriterguyscifiwriterguy Sector ZZ-9-Plural Z-α Join Date: 2017-02-14 Member: 227901Members
    Thanks, @AceDude! :grin:
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