Bring back the NS2 Large on the default server list
Luminar
Join Date: 2006-11-10 Member: 58521Members
Join Date: 2006-11-10 Member: 58521Members
Wooza's servers arent being displayed by default which has resulted in a complete killing of traffic. This is absolute bull crap. Fix it UWE! You guys have killed a bustling server community that was always full.
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Actually all them mods are being hurt with this seemingly insignificant change...
I get this was some kind of "new player" protection to give them vanilla NS2 as their first experience in NS2. But why have mods as invisible by default, when they're already very much invisible to the community.
This would not fix the problem that all other mods would be invisible in the server browser.
More veteran players just click "all" then that's that, one and done.
What are you trying to achieve with this experiment?
The way I see it, >24 slot server hosters will change the game mode tag back to ns2, and with the removal of the hard limit, you are officially supporting >24 slot servers as ns2.
Do you intend this?
That way they don't have a 64 ticks, huge fps drop, poor hitreg and retarded balance as their first experience.
Those who really like to play on Wooza server will know how to find their way back.
It's not really about being modded or not. It really just depends on the mods "game_setup.xml"s name tag, which you can change to whatever you like. If you change it to ns2, you'll be listed on the default page. Someone correct me, if I'm wrong.
This. A million times this.
Guys, we will never ever make any changes to this game solely to ruin a community. We don't "have it in" for anybody, we're not picking on the little guys here.
Every single change we have made to the game since November has been with the express purpose of improving the new player experience. That's it.
We're not shutting down Woozas, or any other server. We're not going out of our way to make it especially difficult to increase the player count. All we've done is change the default filter to the regular sized ns2 servers. This is done so that new players actually get to experience NS2 as it was intended.
Maybe you like the large servers. Good for you. But that is not how NS2 was intended to be played. It's not what the game was balanced for, it's not in any way indicative of how the game was meant to perform, and because of all this it CERTAINLY cannot be the first thing a new player experiences.
You're tearing me apart Beige
You mean , force rookies to play the soo-boring-6v6 vanilla game while this community have soo much fun with moded servers you try to hide ? Players retention you said ...
No-one is being forced to do anything. The large servers are one click away. Fun is subjective. The amount of fun you have on a large server is equalled by the amount of fun other people have on normal sized servers.
That "soo-boring-6v6" game you are talking about is the one that is being advertised to newcomers and is more-or-less what they are initially expecting. I'm fine with Woozas as a server and all, but you are taking a very defensive "us vs them" view on everything.
Correct. We are forcing them to not be misinformed.
Also guys, keep in mind pretty much every server in ns2 has mods on it. These servers are not affected by the filter. The filter works based on the game mode that the server is running (eg ns2, ns2Large, gunGame, etc). It's got nothing to do with server mods.
We feel soo special .
Granted large pop servers require more pc output, i play on them at low graphics but then i play on low graphics no matter the server i am on. Other than performance though i see no major issues with larger servers other than they give new players more room to grow and make mistakes without it impacting the whole teams chances of winning.
the warning made sure that they were not "misinformed", beyond that you are actually taking away from their own ability to make decisions. This is to far imo.
I fully agree with the will of getting rookies starting their first steps on vanilla (including NS2+) servers. But there are appropriate ways to achieve this. This reasoning really makes no sense. All it does is attempting to figure out how affected modded and large servers will be - a test, basically. As for modded servers, how many are usually full and driving rookies into a wrong choice of server? So yes, I'd say this change aims more for large servers than other modded servers. I'd like the result of this test though in the next weeks, to figure out whether this was worth it or not.
If people wanted to play ns2large nothing is stopping them. If this change really killed all traffic to woozas then that tells me that the majority of people playing there are NOT there for the ns2large gameplay.. They are there because your ns2large server had open slots and the other lower pop servers didn't.
Which reinforces my belief that most ns2large regulars are simply those people who don't care about balance, ping, performance, or anything else besides joining a game instantly for some brainless casual fragging.. And this community has a lot of people like that. Just look at how often half the players in a server will have 200+ ping.. People join the first server with an open slot, and obviously ns2large servers will have open slots far more often due to the 40 player count.
1. This will not affect the number of players on woozas because people will find them anyway, if that is not possible then i don't know know how they manage to dress in the morning.
2. The discussion about woozas role in this community has made it more important for some than the ac. It has become a question of politics and prestige and i think that is a waste of energy far from the whole purpose of having fun games, which i believe 32 player game s can be (not 42
3. These raging discussions is only here because the playerbase is dwindling and that makes people express their feeling about this in this way. Please stop doing that, it is immature and just deal with this fact.
4. The fact that every tiny change is so heavily critized is probably an important reason that this game has stopped (almost) developing. To me, natural selection games has always been about experimentation and change.
You ruined a community with a little change, now stay to what you have done.
You are hidding us from the server browser and trying to make people believe that new players got lost in modded servers, how silly is that. Can you provide any proof about rookies leaving the game so quick because they land on a Faded, Last Stand or Siege server?
Second: You hide Favorite Servers from the default view in the server browser (When they run another game mode). People believe that my servers are offline since the day you introduce. It is a drastic design error you have done and again, by purpose to shut down or community, slowly but precisely.
"We're not shutting down Woozas". Of course not. This would be too obvious. You do it slowly so we can't do anything against.
Maybe people found out now that the server also had a lot of people you randomly joined a server. They did not cared about size, community or mod, they were looking for a slot. Now you keep hiding the server for those people.
The result of day one: http://ns2servers.devicenull.org/servers/1736539/85.7.123.134:27016/?date=04/13/16 . Now I would like to hear an argument that support the view of the other side. You reached what you intend to do: Not killing my community directly but slowly, over time.
If it contine like this we will shut down the server and bring everyone to write a negative Steam Review and tell the world what had been going on. The only way UWE can't edit or delete our posts.
THE ONLY design error was the hackable server binaries. This shouldn't even have been possible in the first place and when the possibilty was discovered, UWE should have intervened and fixed this immediately!
>24 slots should never have established. You knew that UWE never supported >24 slots, and that for good reasons (performance / balance), but now that they actually somewhat (not really, they're still being merciful) compliance with their own policy, which you knew of, you want to blackmail them?
I mean, I already expected this would happen, but not from you, but someone from your community..