You know you are terrible at NS2 when..
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...and then you played 10 more games and got it back...
Nonsense, who spends time playing video games when they can complain about them online!
I'm just saying skill rank is entirely relative to being on the right team at the right time.
For example just last week I had a skill value of 1988. I had been playing aliens a lot that week. This week I have hit a low of 1764 where my skill value is right now, because I have been playing marines mostly this week. When I play a more even mix like I do most of the time, my hive score sits at about 1850.
So the community is borked. Got it.
For every undeserved defeat caused by AFK team members and bad luck there is an undeserved victory caused by the same in the opposing team. These instances are just not that easily noticeable and not as jarring, causing them to not stick to your mind for long. It's a statistical impossibility to constantly join the "wrong team". In the long run, it all gets balanced out.
At the base level it should at least calculate the amount of time the player has played during the match in comparison to the total match time, as a player's calculated skill level shouldn't be docked or raised significantly if they only spent 30 seconds playing in a 30 minute game. This would alleviate some skill inconsistency issues as well as not punishing players as much if they decide to join a losing game.
I think it does. If this link is still valid
https://moultano.wordpress.com/2014/08/04/a-skill-ranking-system-for-natural-selection-2/
It says:
Maybe, 74% of players have a global K/D less than or equal to 1 in hive.
Seems to me like a combination of kdr and spm (score per minute) would be the most accurate. Lowering a pro players hive score when they lose with 88-2, and have killed 8+ rt's and have double the score of anyone else... All because their team or comm is bad, that's just broken..
It should only go up or down on a win/loss if you're commanding.
Because a player with insanely high kdr or spm can EASILY carry their team. So much so that their hive score feels like it should be 4000-5000+... In most cases the only times they lose is either when they have a bad comm, or the aliens pull off a successful early base rush..
Just yesterday i was in a game with a 3.0+ kdr player with around 1800 hive score on marine along with two 2000+ hive score players, up against a team with one 2200 something player and a bunch of 1000-1200 players...
One guess how that game turned out..
I started with 1200 and would get picked late. When getting picked late I would win something like 80% of games. That's gone down to something very close to 50% on the way to 2500.
The flaw in the system is the range of accuracy. I've floated between 2300-2800 consistently for a while now. If I played more hours that would go up with my consistency.
I saw a big spike when I started lerking as did @turtsmcgurt , but as I started to get known as a lerk the spike reversed and started to stabilize (probly different for turts as he bites far more effectively than me). We're not going to get a consistent skill system without thousands of players and a ranked match system that bases skill on 2 round matches. Community servers are no place for sir Elo's chess based system
Around Christmas time, I finally bought new set-up. Better gpu, better(ish) cpu, and 27" 144hz monitor. I felt like I was finally able to perform like I knew I could, but was limited before due to subpar equipment.
The point is, my accuracy went up an easy 5% - 8%, my kdr went up, and accordingly, my elo is up a solid 600 pts.
My spm, kdr, acc, etc are all factors of my increasing likelihood to win. All of these things are inherently accounted for with elo.
Elo is accurate, period, but could be better tailored to ns2 if it separated factions and commander games.
Score/min is so directly correlated to your kdr that I think it would be better than kdr in all ways for this game to balance skill rankings. If you play with certain people you notice they'll have a high player damage but abysmally low structure damage and build time.
In the ratio of psmg-sdmg-btime, where on marines I get 10000-30000-1:30 and the top fragger gets 15000-5000-0:20, I don't care about people saying he was the best player. I know that all he was is the most selfish player and that my game was played significantly better than his and I had more effect. I understand his frags are important, but so is solo capping and maintaining 1v1 victories.
This kind of kdr is better represented through score. And kdr is not the same for pressure and solo-capping.
@nordic what's the average hive skill for players with atleast 100 hive hours?
It's already a system that's weighted and mostly completed, counting things like assists and building.. just add more things like defending an RT under attack etc and you could rely on that.
The only reason I've thought that this might be a good measurement is that most of the time the players contributing the most to the team's win are at the top of the board due to the Score points - and very often they have poor KDR... so it's already counting things that aren't too abuse-able at least.
PS, Iron Horse is right, level is a good indicator for the first 50 or so stages. I still hate you.
"Around Christmas time, I finally bought new set-up. " Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Jelly.
Average skill is 1297 and median skill 1206 for players with at least 100 hours recorded in hive.
The nice thing about that is it can be tested mathematically. The hive skill system is built on win lose. Any skill that does not result in winning does not matter. So how well a players KD correlates to their hive score compared to how well their SPM correlates to their hive score should be telling.
I have tried doing this correlation tonight but I am getting conflicting answers. I will give an update when I figure out what I did wrong.
Yes elo is personal, and as @Therius said, with enough games, the ones that are losses due to other players are made up for in the same manner when your ass is carried hard. The rest are genuine reflections of your likelihood of getting your team to victory.
You cannot argue with numbers. The players that are hard carries have elos like 2800+. They can make up for a whole team of garbage. Their elos reflect this.
Players that aren't carries and cannot shift the tide of a game on their own do not have elos anywhere near that stratosphere.
Why? Because elo is accurate.
Of course, this system can be and has been abused by players familiar with its nuance, but that does not mean you should throw the baby out with the bath water.
I'm not saying I don't think it could be improved, but I'm saying if you play enough games, w/l will reflect accurately enough your likelihood to win. You can't honestly look at the hive dashboard's top players and tell me that their elo is not accurate.
Yes there are outliers, but again... The concept of elo in general principal works well enough.
That guy can argue with anything.
... you command and a div1 player is telling you to build phase but then denie to finish it cause its 3 meters away from the "perfect" position.