New Video Card And Still Hitching
StriderNS2
Join Date: 2012-12-22 Member: 175867Members
Join Date: 2012-12-22 Member: 175867Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Moderator Told Me My GPU Was Bottlenecking</div>Hello. I am continuing to have performances issues. The card I used to have was an XFX HD 5770. I recently upgraded to a Sapphire HD 9750. It's funny because it doesn't matter what my in-game settings are, because whether everything is Maxed or Low the FPS is generally the same. I start out with around 75 - 85 FPS and as the game progresses it tanks down to 35 - 45 FPS consistently. As the game progresses I start to notice hitching when in confrontation with the enemy. Since replacing my HD 5770 I don't think bottle-necking is the issue here anymore. Over-all the new video card has increased my FPS dramatically. Regardless of that fact the same scenario still takes place. Large FPS deterioration as the game progresses. Which results in near unplayable hitching.
<u><b>DXDIAG:</b></u> <a href="http://pastebin.com/25wjDkM1" target="_blank">http://pastebin.com/25wjDkM1</a>
<u><b>PLOG: </b></u> <a href="http://pastebin.com/Bzsj8xuY" target="_blank">http://pastebin.com/Bzsj8xuY</a>
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<u><b>My Specifications:</b></u>
Windows 7 64 bit
AMD Athlon II x4 640 @ 3.45 GHz (overclocked from stock 3.0 GHz)
Sapphire HD 7950 (core clock 1185, memory clock 1600)
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (4 x 2GB) DDR3 1600
MSI 870-G45 AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Continuous Power Supply
Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
<u><b>In-Game Settings:</b></u>
Everything Low or Off.
Resolution 1920x1080
<u><b>DXDIAG:</b></u> <a href="http://pastebin.com/25wjDkM1" target="_blank">http://pastebin.com/25wjDkM1</a>
<u><b>PLOG: </b></u> <a href="http://pastebin.com/Bzsj8xuY" target="_blank">http://pastebin.com/Bzsj8xuY</a>
Waiting for CPU is 0ms
Waiting for GPU is 0ms
<u><b>My Specifications:</b></u>
Windows 7 64 bit
AMD Athlon II x4 640 @ 3.45 GHz (overclocked from stock 3.0 GHz)
Sapphire HD 7950 (core clock 1185, memory clock 1600)
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (4 x 2GB) DDR3 1600
MSI 870-G45 AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Continuous Power Supply
Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
<u><b>In-Game Settings:</b></u>
Everything Low or Off.
Resolution 1920x1080
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Do I do this while "Live" in-game or while reviewing a demo? It seems like it would be very hard to catch it while it's hitching while playing "Live".
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Good start, the hitches should appear as tall bars along the bottom of the profiler. You can move forward and back in time with the [ and ] keys. Try to highlight a tall bar (which should be your hitches) and then take a screenshot. It's best from a live game I do believe. Thanks!
I believe this is what you're looking for?
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How? It surpasses the recommended requirements.
also avoid 24 player games stick to 16 player or lower, recommended requirements does not mean you can MAX OUT it just means you will be able to play the game at a playable level, and 35 fps to some is considered playable, that does not mean its acceptable tho thats why the devs are still working on better performance
also avoid 24 player games stick to 16 player or lower, recommended requirements does not mean you can MAX OUT it just means you will be able to play the game at a playable level, and 35 fps to some is considered playable, that does not mean its acceptable tho thats why the devs are still working on better performance<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well I would understand that being the case if my CPU only met the "Minimum Requirements", but since it surpasses the "Recommended Requirements" I expect a lot more than 35 FPS when running everything on Low or Off. Or maybe the spec need to be changed because they're hardly concise. And how would limiting my cores to 2 from 4 gain me performance?
Alot of games can usually only use 2 cores, if you disable 2 cores, you can make your cpu cooler and be able to overclock higher. if a program is single threaded a dual core running at 4 ghz will run that single threaded program faster then a quad core at 3ghz, natural selection maybe mutli threaded but im pretty sure its only to fully use 2 cores, give it a shot, OR better yet try to see if you can push ALL 4 cores to 4 ghz, another example is crysis will run better on a E8400(2 cores) cpu running at a max oc 4ghz then it would running on a Q9450 (4 core) running on a max OC of 3.5-3.6 ghz, thats because crysis was only able to fully utilize 2 cores, like most games these days, i remember this because i was thinking of getting a Q9450 because it was a quad core, when i did my research i found out that the dual cores was much better for gaming, it was faster, cheaper, ran cooler, overclocked better, it was a no brainer
Recommended:
OS:Windows 7 32/64-bit / Vista 32/64 / XP
Processor:Core 2 Duo 3.0 ghz
Memory:4 GB RAM
Graphics:DirectX 9 compatible video card with 1GB, AMD 5770, NVidia GTX 450 or better
DirectX®:9.0
Hard Drive:5 GB HD space
Other Requirements:Broadband Internet connection
i hope you realize that a core 2 duo at 3 ghz is faster then an athlon 2 at 3.4ghz running single threaded and dual threaded applications right?
heres core 2 duo at 3ghz beating a athlon 2 X4 quad core at 3.1ghz at almost every test minus the RARE mutli threaded programs
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E8400 80fps which is a dual core beating any athlon 2 quad cores IN GAMES
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so saying you are "past the recommended requirements" is simply false.
this is why i tell people to avoid AMD cpus for gaming unless they are on a tight budget, because no matter how good it looks on paper it fails in the real world processing, so dont think that the new amd x8 fx-8150(8core CPU) even at 4ghz is going to beat a core i5 3450(quad core) at 3.4ghz in games, it simply wont
and then came gta 4 and games afterwards which made quad cores a necessity. and now ns 2 made i5/i7 a necessity.
Why buy a whole new computer. You already have a decent base to work off of.
The only things I see that could use upgrading is your CPU which would also require a new motherboard. Then just reuse all your other parts.
For around $200-300 you could have a really decent setup.
The only things I see that could use upgrading is your CPU which would also require a new motherboard. Then just reuse all your other parts.
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I know I'm just extremely frustrated. Being a college student with 30 bucks in his checking account makes it very upsetting when I really want to be able to play the game. Seeing as how I just blew 300 on a video card because someone told me my old one was bottle-necking my CPU. Now my CPU is bottle-necking the video card.
Yep this game came out during a major world recession, and requires most users to upgrade. i'm in the same boat as you :\
this may do absolutely nothing though, hard to say how NS2 handles their settings.
Otherwise, you will need to upgrade unfortunately. I went with an AMD FX-8320 and while it ran NS2 just fine at stock clocks, I recently OCd it to 4.1ghz and it flies in NS2 at high detail 1600x900 resolution. A more affordable AMD CPU that would run NS2 just as good is the 6 core version, the FX-6300. Those are very good options if you already have an AM3+ motherboard. Otherwise, if you have to buy a new Mobo and CPU, Intel has some good offerings as well that are probably a better value for gaming performance, but an AMD system can also be had for fairly cheap and they will most certainly run NS2 (despite all the Intel faboy anti-AMD talk on here).
I have 50 bucks to spend on a fan. I am coming into about 300 dollars in a month or two that I can use to buy an i5 ivy bridge and motherboard. Until then I believe I can take my current CPU up to 4.0 ghz with this cooler. Will that be a significant enough increase?
That way I can use this on my AM3 socket CPU now and when I upgrade it will work on my intel too.
I believe that would help out greatly if it fits... though if you only have to wait 30 days or so, i'd just wait and add that $50 to that $300 for an extra bang.
I say this because that fan states the supported socket types of "Intel Socket LGA1366 / <b>1156 </b>/ 775/ AMD Socket AM3 / AM2+ / AM2" and that i5 you want is socket type 1155.. not 1156.
Also, another thing to consider is the sound.. that fan supposedly reaches 38 db? yeesh thats gonna be loud.
I know people like air.. but water is silent and imo often cooler.
im using the FX6300 got the core boost running on 4,3GHZ and no matter about the details but it do reach low fps after some short minutes.
At Mineshaft 5 cysts are reducing the frames from ~104 to ~63 while 2 players on server (1680x1050 @ max details + AA) at the end of the game you'll become an laggy mousemovement while beeing stuck on ~25-35 fps -_-'
For the CPU/MB upgrade, I'd go with something like a i5 2500k or 3570k paired with <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157304" target="_blank">ASRock Z75 Pro3</a>. ASRock aren't the greatest mobo's, but their cheap and will easily let you OC to the 4.2-4.5GHz range.
im using the FX6300 got the core boost running on 4,3GHZ and no matter about the details but it do reach low fps after some short minutes.
At Mineshaft 5 cysts are reducing the frames from ~104 to ~63 while 2 players on server (1680x1050 @ max details + AA) at the end of the game you'll become an laggy mousemovement while beeing stuck on ~25-35 fps -_-'<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Interesting.. What are your other system specs? I am running an fx-8320 which is essentially an fx-6300 with 2 more cores, and it handles ns2 no problem 1600x900 on all high detail settings. I notice that at least 2 cores are always idle , at 0% usage so it makes no sense a 6 core vishera wouldn't have equal performance.
Late game FPS is about 40-50 avg on 24 player servers. If I turn off one setting, I think its atmospherics or shadows something, my FPS jumps even higher to about 60-70 late game. My GPU is a radeon HD 6850 1gb and I've got 8gb ddr3 ram @ 2600mhz plugged into an Asus m5a97 2.0 mobo.
Also, I should point out it sounds like something is wrong with your setup - you mention that as cysts build your FPS drops rapidly - I do not notice any significant decrease in FPS until the entire map is covered in a few hundred cysts / objects, with 24 players running around as exos, jetpacks, grenadiers, bile bombs, lerks spraying spores etc.. only then do I notice my FPS drop from about 100-120 down to about 40-50 with all settings on high. Once in a great while I see it drop down to 30 for a split second but it never stays that low.
Gigabyte 7870 GHZ OC (1100 Core / 1200 Memory)
Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3 Rev 1.1 (F6 Bios)
Kingston HyperX 1866 DDR 3 (4gb)
Win 7 64bit Professional
And yes i heard also about that those 8150/8350 delivers a lot more fps and i dont know why o_O - Hitman Absolution runs Maxdetails + AAA on 30 fps with ~100 people on screen >.< ( mission 2 : <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-ArmVAigWU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-ArmVAigWU</a> )
3.0 GHz AMD Phenom II x4 (Deneb 945)
8GB DDR3 1333 RAM
nvidia GTX 275
For some reason, the people I know who run the game on older hardware aren't having any issues either - I've only heard complaints from people with newer setups, which really doesn't make sense.