I don't think the crew intended the majority of their customers to pre-order NS2... I would venture to guess that the majority of those who did pre-order did so because they feel an affinity to the original game and the NS developers.
It is cool that you are interested in the game though :)
I don't understand why everyone is being rude to this guy. I think what he said is perfectly acceptable. I preordered a long time ago, but still.
I believe this thread was meant for other people who were also only going to pay when there was something playable to post and possibly discuss reasons for their choice.
I don't see any rudeness (except for maybe two posts). I think the large majority of customers/supporters are in the same boat as OP (including myself), and so not there's not much to discuss. Reasons? because blind investors are rare.
<!--quoteo(post=1749870:date=Jan 31 2010, 10:42 AM:name=hotd0g)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hotd0g @ Jan 31 2010, 10:42 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749870"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And i'm sure alot of other people will act the same way.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Mind-blowing
<!--quoteo(post=1749890:date=Jan 30 2010, 11:22 PM:name=BigText)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigText @ Jan 30 2010, 11:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749890"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't understand why everyone is being rude to this guy. I think what he said is perfectly acceptable. I preordered a long time ago, but still.
I believe this thread was meant for other people who were also only going to pay when there was something playable to post and possibly discuss reasons for their choice.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's because he felt the need to announce it. We all understand the logic behind it, but we don't understand the clear attention-grabbing.
I really don't get why so many people are thinking the alpha won't come out... It's an independent developer, they HAVE to bring out a game, or they would be very very in debt. Big game studios can drop games after a while, but small developers like UWE might bring out a really crappy game very late, but it sure as hell will come out... a playable alpha will prove exactly nothing more. I mean they could bring out what they have now, say it's alpha, and you'd buy the game? stupid way of looking at things.
Either pre-order because you trust UWE to make an awesome game like most of us, or hang back till release so you can see what the huge amount of fans think of the game (which will be slightly skewed anyway), saying you want alpha to be released is just weird as it will prove nothing more than has already been proven (seeing as when alpha comes out it will probably have a NDA and you will still not know what's going on)
<!--quoteo(post=1749931:date=Jan 31 2010, 03:55 AM:name=Biglines)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Biglines @ Jan 31 2010, 03:55 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749931"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I really don't get why so many people are thinking the alpha won't come out... It's an independent developer, they HAVE to bring out a game, or they would be very very in debt. Big game studios can drop games after a while, but small developers like UWE might bring out a really crappy game very late, but it sure as hell will come out... a playable alpha will prove exactly nothing more. I mean they could bring out what they have now, say it's alpha, and you'd buy the game? stupid way of looking at things.
Either pre-order because you trust UWE to make an awesome game like most of us, or hang back till release so you can see what the huge amount of fans think of the game (which will be slightly skewed anyway), saying you want alpha to be released is just weird as it will prove nothing more than has already been proven (seeing as when alpha comes out it will probably have a NDA and you will still not know what's going on)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think it has anything to do with DISBELIEF in the alpha. The screenshots and steadily-updated editor and videos, etc., all indicate that the developers are very talented and making a very polished product. However, there's really no way to quantify a "polished product" in terms of a gamer's preferences. I'd imagine that many people would like to find out if the game "feels right" for them before they decide to invest in it. At least, that's my take. I loved NS1 and I have faith in the developers, but I'm also a poor college student and I'd like to get a feel for the product before I invest. I'm about 99% sure I'll make the purchase, but... it's just a matter of principle. I come from a long line of hard-shoppers and bargainers :P
<!--quoteo(post=1749974:date=Jan 31 2010, 11:01 AM:name=cmc5788)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cmc5788 @ Jan 31 2010, 11:01 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749974"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't think it has anything to do with DISBELIEF in the alpha. The screenshots and steadily-updated editor and videos, etc., all indicate that the developers are very talented and making a very polished product. However, there's really no way to quantify a "polished product" in terms of a gamer's preferences. I'd imagine that many people would like to find out if the game "feels right" for them before they decide to invest in it. At least, that's my take. I loved NS1 and I have faith in the developers, but I'm also a poor college student and I'd like to get a feel for the product before I invest. I'm about 99% sure I'll make the purchase, but... it's just a matter of principle. I come from a long line of hard-shoppers and bargainers :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> and how would you know? alpha states are generally under an NDA, so waiting for alpha will give you no information whatsoever about the "feel" of the game, and even if there weren't an NDA, you can't play the alpha without pre-ordering
<!--quoteo(post=1749980:date=Jan 31 2010, 11:35 AM:name=Biglines)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Biglines @ Jan 31 2010, 11:35 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749980"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->and how would you know? alpha states are generally under an NDA, so waiting for alpha will give you no information whatsoever about the "feel" of the game, and even if there weren't an NDA, you can't play the alpha without pre-ordering<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm sure there will be gameplay videos and reports on the forums. Enough to get a feel for things. There won't be an NDA (principles of open development, etc. -- from the marketing standpoint of a small indie company and the premises set by UWE's behavior, the idea that the alpha will have an NDA is somewhat absurd)
<!--quoteo(post=1749985:date=Jan 31 2010, 07:14 PM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Jan 31 2010, 07:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749985"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We certainly don't want people to judge the quality of the game based on an alpha.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1749890:date=Jan 31 2010, 03:22 AM:name=BigText)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigText @ Jan 31 2010, 03:22 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749890"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't understand why everyone is being rude to this guy. I think what he said is perfectly acceptable. I preordered a long time ago, but still.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The original post, the whole thread is entirely rude. Why are people being rude to someone? How about I come to your work place and make a demand for a product to do something even though I haven't bought it, let's see how you react.
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But the OP didn't demand anything. He is just making a statement. "I will buy NS2 only when the alpha goes live". It's like saying "I will move into the house, once it has been built". There is nothing wrong with that statement.
Though one entire thread doesn't justify making a statement. There are other threads where you could have made that statement.
Shouldn't you support the developers now when they need the resources most, instead of when the product is done and your contribution becomes less effective?
<!--quoteo(post=1749990:date=Jan 31 2010, 07:34 PM:name=Bonzai)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bonzai @ Jan 31 2010, 07:34 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749990"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Shouldn't you support the developers now when they need the resources most, instead of when the product is done and your contribution becomes less effective?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Indeed, no one wants to make a game if everyone was complaining all the times
But to OP: that statement is a total waste a space , i think it's an attempt to see how many are willing to support me in "my statement" (dead post) So a post like this should just be deleted... Like others said before me: there is a lot of post were the statement would fit in.
<!--quoteo(post=1749990:date=Jan 31 2010, 01:34 PM:name=Bonzai)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bonzai @ Jan 31 2010, 01:34 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749990"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Shouldn't you support the developers now when they need the resources most, instead of when the product is done and your contribution becomes less effective?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> yep, it's even been said that the huge amount of pre-orders have actually allowed UWE to put back in a bunch of stuff they would have otherwise had to scrap.
<!--quoteo(post=1749985:date=Jan 31 2010, 01:14 PM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Jan 31 2010, 01:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749985"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We certainly don't want people to judge the quality of the game based on an alpha.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> they will if they're allowed to
As to saying nda in open development, nda's are usually in place not to guard secrets, but to make sure there is no idiots posting on forums and news blogs that the game is buggy and crap, leading to negative press while it is total bull###### to judge a game in a beta state, let alone an alpha state.
like I said before, I can get it if you don't want to spend money on a game which you have no idea about whether it will be good, but an alpha will in no way show whether or not the game will be good, it wouldn't be an alpha it would. Either pre-order because you trust something good will come out, or wait until after retail so you can actually judge the final product. Because believe me, the apha state will be crap, buggy and not enjoyable to mess around with.
personally I don't get why they even bother releasing alpha to the masses, end of beta is usually for that stage, alpha is only useful for professional testers who actually spend their time compiling bug reports, giving it out to the masses will probably mostly result in giving ammo to whiners and flamers
there's a good reason why other companies work with nda's and small test teams, 99% of the people that are going to get the alpha ns2 will be useless as testers, resulting in lots of useless crap bug reports on the best scenario, lots of flaming, ranting and negative press in the more realistic scenario
giving the spark editor and model stuff to play with, was a good move however, getting lot's of useful input, as well as possibly getting 2 or 3 good maps from the community to ship with the final product. I would have just released the editor, and some videos of a working alpha state as a reward for special edition pre-ordering, not giving out the actual alpha state of the game.
<!--quoteo(post=1749990:date=Jan 31 2010, 12:34 PM:name=Bonzai)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bonzai @ Jan 31 2010, 12:34 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749990"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Shouldn't you support the developers now when they need the resources most, instead of when the product is done and your contribution becomes less effective?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My contribution will be less effective when they have their first alpha release because the product will be done? And here I thought alpha was the first letter in the alphabet? Those crazy Greeks, changing it right under my nose!
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i for one think thats nice as well..
if anyone cares ill be going to bed around 10 tonight..
I don't think the crew intended the majority of their customers to pre-order NS2... I would venture to guess that the majority of those who did pre-order did so because they feel an affinity to the original game and the NS developers.
It is cool that you are interested in the game though :)
:D
I believe this thread was meant for other people who were also only going to pay when there was something playable to post and possibly discuss reasons for their choice.
Mind-blowing
I believe this thread was meant for other people who were also only going to pay when there was something playable to post and possibly discuss reasons for their choice.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's because he felt the need to announce it. We all understand the logic behind it, but we don't understand the clear attention-grabbing.
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He should have expected comments like this, when he post something like that xD
But i think its pretty much off topic ATM xD
Either pre-order because you trust UWE to make an awesome game like most of us, or hang back till release so you can see what the huge amount of fans think of the game (which will be slightly skewed anyway), saying you want alpha to be released is just weird as it will prove nothing more than has already been proven (seeing as when alpha comes out it will probably have a NDA and you will still not know what's going on)
Either pre-order because you trust UWE to make an awesome game like most of us, or hang back till release so you can see what the huge amount of fans think of the game (which will be slightly skewed anyway), saying you want alpha to be released is just weird as it will prove nothing more than has already been proven (seeing as when alpha comes out it will probably have a NDA and you will still not know what's going on)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think it has anything to do with DISBELIEF in the alpha. The screenshots and steadily-updated editor and videos, etc., all indicate that the developers are very talented and making a very polished product. However, there's really no way to quantify a "polished product" in terms of a gamer's preferences. I'd imagine that many people would like to find out if the game "feels right" for them before they decide to invest in it. At least, that's my take. I loved NS1 and I have faith in the developers, but I'm also a poor college student and I'd like to get a feel for the product before I invest. I'm about 99% sure I'll make the purchase, but... it's just a matter of principle. I come from a long line of hard-shoppers and bargainers :P
and how would you know? alpha states are generally under an NDA, so waiting for alpha will give you no information whatsoever about the "feel" of the game, and even if there weren't an NDA, you can't play the alpha without pre-ordering
There are thousands of people involved, not just a small testing group.
I'm sure there will be gameplay videos and reports on the forums. Enough to get a feel for things. There won't be an NDA (principles of open development, etc. -- from the marketing standpoint of a small indie company and the premises set by UWE's behavior, the idea that the alpha will have an NDA is somewhat absurd)
Hehe well said!
The original post, the whole thread is entirely rude. Why are people being rude to someone? How about I come to your work place and make a demand for a product to do something even though I haven't bought it, let's see how you react.
Though one entire thread doesn't justify making a statement. There are other threads where you could have made that statement.
Indeed, no one wants to make a game if everyone was complaining all the times
But to OP: that statement is a total waste a space , i think it's an attempt to see how many are willing to support me in "my statement" (dead post) So a post like this should just be deleted...
Like others said before me: there is a lot of post were the statement would fit in.
Cheers
yep, it's even been said that the huge amount of pre-orders have actually allowed UWE to put back in a bunch of stuff they would have otherwise had to scrap.
<!--quoteo(post=1749985:date=Jan 31 2010, 01:14 PM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Jan 31 2010, 01:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749985"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We certainly don't want people to judge the quality of the game based on an alpha.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
they will if they're allowed to
As to saying nda in open development, nda's are usually in place not to guard secrets, but to make sure there is no idiots posting on forums and news blogs that the game is buggy and crap, leading to negative press while it is total bull###### to judge a game in a beta state, let alone an alpha state.
like I said before, I can get it if you don't want to spend money on a game which you have no idea about whether it will be good, but an alpha will in no way show whether or not the game will be good, it wouldn't be an alpha it would. Either pre-order because you trust something good will come out, or wait until after retail so you can actually judge the final product. Because believe me, the apha state will be crap, buggy and not enjoyable to mess around with.
personally I don't get why they even bother releasing alpha to the masses, end of beta is usually for that stage, alpha is only useful for professional testers who actually spend their time compiling bug reports, giving it out to the masses will probably mostly result in giving ammo to whiners and flamers
there's a good reason why other companies work with nda's and small test teams, 99% of the people that are going to get the alpha ns2 will be useless as testers, resulting in lots of useless crap bug reports on the best scenario, lots of flaming, ranting and negative press in the more realistic scenario
giving the spark editor and model stuff to play with, was a good move however, getting lot's of useful input, as well as possibly getting 2 or 3 good maps from the community to ship with the final product. I would have just released the editor, and some videos of a working alpha state as a reward for special edition pre-ordering, not giving out the actual alpha state of the game.
My contribution will be less effective when they have their first alpha release because the product will be done? And here I thought alpha was the first letter in the alphabet? Those crazy Greeks, changing it right under my nose!