u really don't know what an apha is? it's certainly not an internal version that works, alpha is the first version that is somehow playable, missing a bunch of content, but with most of the mechanics in place, in order to begin playtesting, balancing and debugging, not an internal version of what ever they have
<!--quoteo(post=1750011:date=Jan 31 2010, 02:20 PM:name=Biglines)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Biglines @ Jan 31 2010, 02:20 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1750011"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->u really don't know what an apha is? it's certainly not an internal version that works, alpha is the first version that is somehow playable, missing a bunch of content, but with most of the mechanics in place, in order to begin playtesting, balancing and debugging, not an internal version of what ever they have<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, that's what I was implying. Sarcasm on the internet.
Edit: Oh, sorry, you're implying that because the mechanics are in-place, somehow the development cycle becomes less rigorous during a public alpha? In that case, I disagree.
not really, I just meant that alpha is not the first development stage, and that contributing to uwe before the alpha has as much of not more use, since it has already allowed them to add more things (generally in alpha all the final decisions are made on what will make it into the game, although they might not have been added)
so
- contributing before alpha has led to more content added
- contributing when alpha is out means more payday for them, and maybe a slightly longer alpha phase but generally this is only when certain things really don't work as expected, but generally not that more features are added
I'm pretty sure UWE will take your "contribution" now, later, or whenever you feel you wish to give it. They might even give you a videogame as compensation!
<!--quoteo(post=1749980:date=Jan 31 2010, 01:35 PM:name=Biglines)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Biglines @ Jan 31 2010, 01:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749980"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->and even if there weren't an NDA, you can't play the alpha without pre-ordering<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo(post=1749985:date=Jan 31 2010, 01:14 PM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Jan 31 2010, 01:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749985"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We certainly don't want people to judge the quality of the game based on an alpha.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> We wont. If you guys are concerned about this, call the very first release the alpha tech-test or something.
<!--quoteo(post=1750050:date=Jan 31 2010, 08:33 PM:name=CyberMantis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CyberMantis @ Jan 31 2010, 08:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1750050"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We wont. If you guys are concerned about this, call the very first release the alpha tech-test or something.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> people are already judging the game at this moment... they judge it even based on scrapped things like the tazer, or incomplete information, they sure as hell are going to judge based on an alpha state, and without an NDA or some sort of agreement there will be people posting in the big world of the WWW and cause bad press and saying they played the game so they think they can already imagine what the final game will be like
the problem isn't the 90% of people that have enough sense to reserve judgement, it will be the few that won't that will cause trouble
This is the internet, a giant rumour mill littered with more bad critics than good, crackers, hackers, and pirates, and more leaks than a rusty bucket - if your product is so delicate that it can't stand up to some potentially bad internet press then your business lies elsewhere; perhaps try pharmaceuticals.
I'll buy it when it's out. Unless steam do a cut price preorder or something then I'll buy it the day before release.
I generally don't bother preordering months in advance because I don't see the point.
<!--quoteo(post=1749985:date=Jan 31 2010, 06:14 PM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Jan 31 2010, 06:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749985"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We certainly don't want people to judge the quality of the game based on an alpha.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes it would be nice if everyone in existence was a rational, well informed individual.
<!--quoteo(post=1749988:date=Jan 31 2010, 08:24 PM:name=BadMouth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BadMouth @ Jan 31 2010, 08:24 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749988"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's like saying "I will move into the house, once it has been built". There is nothing wrong with that statement.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, there are two "no"s in here.
#1 - An alpha equals a fundament, at most. #2 - An alpha is usualy closed, and I sure hope they close the special deal for the black armor by then. Make it blue or something and the 1st Rate special edition p/orderes get to use that too if they want.
<!--quoteo(post=1750109:date=Feb 1 2010, 07:12 AM:name=Chris0132)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chris0132 @ Feb 1 2010, 07:12 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1750109"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'll buy it when it's out. Unless steam do a cut price preorder or something then I'll buy it the day before release.
I generally don't bother preordering months in advance because I don't see the point.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> I totally get that, and if it hadn't been UWE I would also have waited for either a good deal or after release. What I don't get is basing a purchase on a stupid thing like an alpha state...
They need money for development... Thanks for sharing you thoughts btw "I will buy ns2 only when alpha goes live". Now i am going to share my thoughts by making threads like "I will go fade when ns2 is out", "i am now playing ns and drinking red bull", "i like ns" ... brilliant. I dont know how long you've been playing ns, but you've played ns for free, what is the big deal paying for ns2 key? Even if ns2 never comes out, they still deserve the money.
<!--quoteo(post=1750174:date=Feb 1 2010, 03:16 PM:name=RobB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RobB @ Feb 1 2010, 03:16 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1750174"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well, there are two "no"s in here. #1 - An alpha equals a fundament, at most. #2 - An alpha is usualy closed, and I sure hope they close the special deal for the black armor by then. Make it blue or something and the 1st Rate special edition p/orderes get to use that too if they want.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey let's play 'inverse OP's statement', I'll go first: "I will <u>not</u> buy NS2 any time we have marines running around in black and blue armour"
... actually black's enough of a cut off for me. black and underboob. and hats.
<!--quoteo(post=1750179:date=Feb 1 2010, 09:33 PM:name=R_e_n_e_g_a_d_e)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R_e_n_e_g_a_d_e @ Feb 1 2010, 09:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1750179"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hey let's play 'inverse OP's statement', I'll go first: "I will <u>not</u> buy NS2 any time we have marines running around in black and blue armour"
... actually black's enough of a cut off for me. black and underboob. and hats.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> lol "i will not buy NS2 Before everyone stops playing the game.." ^^ excellent idea xD
Playing the alpha is a chance to give feedback during development. If you're thinking of a demo, you're thinking wrong. Generally if you pre-order and get access to an early build of the game (or some other bonus) you can't get a refund because you've already used the bonus part of your purchase.
So if you're on the fence about getting NS2, don't pre-order! Wait for it to be finished and then decide. If, on the other hand, you want to support UW for whatever reason; then join with those of us who pre-ordered as a means of supporting UW.
I see the pre-order mostly for people who want to play around with mapping, curious about how games are made and a bit of early playtesting. There wont be any nearly complete gameplay and maps until beta.
Keep in mind that not everyone is out to support UWE. A lot of us who invested first (even I was slow but that was more because of being lazy ;P ) did so knowing nothing about the game and solely to support UWE. Personally, I owed them one for NS. Even if I didn't like a lot of what happened after 1.04. So while yeah, the thread has been kinda rude from the get go, let's recognize that not everyone is being altruistic about this. Nothing wrong with that.
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Furthermore, it's a positive sign that ppl are willing to pay to get their hands on the alpha when it's out. But don't judge the game based on your alpha experience :P Working ona mod for as long as I havem I know that alphas aren't entirely stable or functional :P
Just because it's not a lot of money, doesn't mean it's not an investment - though we're not looking for financial return in this particular case. I'm using it in the sense that there are those of us who put the money up to help UWE accomplish their goal. The motivating reason being supporting a small company who has already given us a good product (NS), irrespective of whether we even get product in the end. Not like I'm expecting UWE to fail, but if they did that money'd be gone :P
<!--quoteo(post=1750179:date=Feb 1 2010, 10:33 PM:name=R_e_n_e_g_a_d_e)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (R_e_n_e_g_a_d_e @ Feb 1 2010, 10:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1750179"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Hey let's play 'inverse OP's statement', I'll go first: "I will <u>not</u> buy NS2 any time we have marines running around in black and blue armour"
... actually black's enough of a cut off for me. <!--sizeo:5--><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--><b>black</b><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--> and underboob. and hats.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> u racist? :D
<!--quoteo(post=1750764:date=Feb 4 2010, 07:13 PM:name=Karrde)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Karrde @ Feb 4 2010, 07:13 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1750764"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just because it's not a lot of money, doesn't mean it's not an investment - though we're not looking for financial return in this particular case. I'm using it in the sense that there are those of us who put the money up to help UWE accomplish their goal. The motivating reason being supporting a small company who has already given us a good product (NS), irrespective of whether we even get product in the end. Not like I'm expecting UWE to fail, but if they did that money'd be gone :P<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're not an investor. You haven't entered in to a contract with a deadline. If you're annoyed the game hasn't been released yet, ask for a refund. If not, would be nice if you stopped bringing the subject up. It's common place for people to moan like hell about this and it's pretty annoying.
Uh, I never said I was annoyed with the lack of release. Just the opposite (I honestly don't care if they don't release anything until they're done). Where's this hostility coming from though, Jesus. You're jumping down my throat for just contributing my two cents about why ppl might be raging about the lack of alpha - that their motivations are different, then following it up with semantic rage. Investing, preordering, call it what you want. But man, no need to be so hostile because this subject bugs you.
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Yeah, that's what I was implying. Sarcasm on the internet.
Edit: Oh, sorry, you're implying that because the mechanics are in-place, somehow the development cycle becomes less rigorous during a public alpha? In that case, I disagree.
so
- contributing before alpha has led to more content added
- contributing when alpha is out means more payday for them, and maybe a slightly longer alpha phase but generally this is only when certain things really don't work as expected, but generally not that more features are added
Zing!
We wont. If you guys are concerned about this, call the very first release the alpha tech-test or something.
people are already judging the game at this moment... they judge it even based on scrapped things like the tazer, or incomplete information, they sure as hell are going to judge based on an alpha state, and without an NDA or some sort of agreement there will be people posting in the big world of the WWW and cause bad press and saying they played the game so they think they can already imagine what the final game will be like
the problem isn't the 90% of people that have enough sense to reserve judgement, it will be the few that won't that will cause trouble
A non-disclosure agreement.
I generally don't bother preordering months in advance because I don't see the point.
<!--quoteo(post=1749985:date=Jan 31 2010, 06:14 PM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Max @ Jan 31 2010, 06:14 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1749985"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We certainly don't want people to judge the quality of the game based on an alpha.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes it would be nice if everyone in existence was a rational, well informed individual.
Well, there are two "no"s in here.
#1 - An alpha equals a fundament, at most.
#2 - An alpha is usualy closed, and I sure hope they close the special deal for the black armor by then.
Make it blue or something and the 1st Rate special edition p/orderes get to use that too if they want.
I generally don't bother preordering months in advance because I don't see the point.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I totally get that, and if it hadn't been UWE I would also have waited for either a good deal or after release. What I don't get is basing a purchase on a stupid thing like an alpha state...
best regards
proud owner of 2 ns2:se licenses.
#1 - An alpha equals a fundament, at most.
#2 - An alpha is usualy closed, and I sure hope they close the special deal for the black armor by then.
Make it blue or something and the 1st Rate special edition p/orderes get to use that too if they want.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey let's play 'inverse OP's statement', I'll go first:
"I will <u>not</u> buy NS2 any time we have marines running around in black and blue armour"
... actually black's enough of a cut off for me. black and underboob. and hats.
"I will <u>not</u> buy NS2 any time we have marines running around in black and blue armour"
... actually black's enough of a cut off for me. black and underboob. and hats.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
lol
"i will not buy NS2 Before everyone stops playing the game.."
^^ excellent idea xD
So if you're on the fence about getting NS2, don't pre-order! Wait for it to be finished and then decide. If, on the other hand, you want to support UW for whatever reason; then join with those of us who pre-ordered as a means of supporting UW.
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Furthermore, it's a positive sign that ppl are willing to pay to get their hands on the alpha when it's out. But don't judge the game based on your alpha experience :P Working ona mod for as long as I havem I know that alphas aren't entirely stable or functional :P
"I will <u>not</u> buy NS2 any time we have marines running around in black and blue armour"
... actually black's enough of a cut off for me. <!--sizeo:5--><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--><b>black</b><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--> and underboob. and hats.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
u racist? :D
You're not an investor. You haven't entered in to a contract with a deadline. If you're annoyed the game hasn't been released yet, ask for a refund. If not, would be nice if you stopped bringing the subject up. It's common place for people to moan like hell about this and it's pretty annoying.
yes, I am racist against myself ;)
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