Mods get Steamworks SDK - NS1?

PlasmaPlasma Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15855Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
in NS2 General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">Release on Steam</div>Hi,

Valve have released the Steamworks SDK to a few mod authors to then release their (free) mods via Steam.

<a href="http://steamreview.org/posts/steamworksmod/" target="_blank">http://steamreview.org/posts/steamworksmod/</a>

I know UW already have access to the SDK (Suduko), but what about releasing NS1 under Steam (if thats doable) to try and get some more players going?

Could help!

Thoughts?
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  • marksmarks Join Date: 2008-07-28 Member: 64720Members
    edited August 2008
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  • puzlpuzl The Old Firm Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    edited August 2008
    I'd be surprised if this was an option for a HL1 mod, but if it was then I'd be willing to do the work.
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  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    when valve discussed steamworks, they made it sound like it was not an engine specific system. I don't remember them ever saying it has to be on the Source engine, and if it doesn't then I dont see why it wouldnt be able to be put into a hl1 mod. This would also definitely bring in a lot of players for the achievements, and just the fact that it is a new update in itself.

    One thing I ask is that if this is done, please make most of the achievements classic only, because It just seemed like the community was so much more healthy when there were a lot of classic players.
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  • puzlpuzl The Old Firm Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14029Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    I'm sure it would be possible to add steamworks features to a HL1 mod, but I was referring to valve's offer to host the mods on steam.
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  • PlasmaPlasma Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15855Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    Give em a nudge puzl? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
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  • marksmarks Join Date: 2008-07-28 Member: 64720Members
    It isn't in Valve's best interests to offer this stuff to HL1 mods, I'd be extremely surprised if they offered it. Hell, I'm extremely surprised they're still offering it to Source mods after that stunt that Synergy pulled, breaching their NDA ...
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  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I don't see why not. NS is by far the most popular 3rd party hl1 mod, and still has more servers and players than most hl2 mods. If anything it would show that steamworks is versatile and compatible with even older engines, and it might entice more people into throwing down 5 dollars to buy halflife over steam.
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  • marksmarks Join Date: 2008-07-28 Member: 64720Members
    edited August 2008
    Why would they promote people to spend 5 dollars on HL1, when they can promote people to spend like 30 dollars on HL2? Like I said, it isn't in their best business interests. Also, why would they need to promote Steamworks at all? It isn't like they need people to buy it, they're giving it away <b>for free</b> to developers.
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  • MaxMax Technical Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment Join Date: 2002-03-15 Member: 318Super Administrators, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
    We had some discussions with Valve about it, but they decided to focus on bringing HL2 mods to Steamworks first.
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  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Are there plans to incorporate steamworks into ns1 later on?
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  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1685763:date=Aug 12 2008, 04:48 PM:name=Max)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Max @ Aug 12 2008, 04:48 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1685763"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We had some discussions with Valve about it, but they decided to focus on bringing HL2 mods to Steamworks first.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I'd imagine this is because Steamworks is largely an unfinished product and these mods are essentially going to guinea-pig the service, which professional companies would not be comfortable doing.
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  • ZekZek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Does Steamworks allow games to make use of Steam's server browser?
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  • marksmarks Join Date: 2008-07-28 Member: 64720Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1685964:date=Aug 15 2008, 12:31 AM:name=Zek)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zek @ Aug 15 2008, 12:31 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1685964"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Does Steamworks allow games to make use of Steam's server browser?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <a href="http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/gameservices.php" target="_blank">http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/gameservices.php</a>

    It doesn't specifically say so, but I would imagine so.
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  • FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment San Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
    edited August 2008
    We've been back and forth with Valve on this. Last time I heard, they said "let's do it" and it should be in process (in theory).

    <b>Update:</b> I pinged the appropriate folks at Valve to see if we can make this happen.
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  • PlasmaPlasma Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15855Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    Awesome! Please keep us posted if anything happens!
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  • w0dk4w0dk4 Join Date: 2008-04-22 Member: 64129Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1686002:date=Aug 15 2008, 05:59 PM:name=Flayra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Flayra @ Aug 15 2008, 05:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1686002"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We've been back and forth with Valve on this. Last time I heard, they said "let's do it" and it should be in process (in theory).

    <b>Update:</b> I pinged the appropriate folks at Valve to see if we can make this happen.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Any update?
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  • SecuritySecurity Join Date: 2005-01-07 Member: 33133Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=1690266:date=Oct 14 2008, 06:55 PM:name=w0dk4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(w0dk4 @ Oct 14 2008, 06:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1690266"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Any update?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Seconded. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
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  • SounDWavE1SounDWavE1 Join Date: 2005-02-06 Member: 40096Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    <!--quoteo(post=1690266:date=Oct 14 2008, 06:55 PM:name=w0dk4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(w0dk4 @ Oct 14 2008, 06:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1690266"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Any update?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No Reply: Server Timed Out

    <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" />
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  • mothmanmothman Join Date: 2008-10-23 Member: 65282Members
    edited October 2008
    <!--quoteo(post=1691226:date=Oct 23 2008, 08:29 PM:name=SounDWavE1)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SounDWavE1 @ Oct 23 2008, 08:29 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1691226"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No Reply: Server Timed Out

    <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yes, this new half-life patch currently killed NS... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />

    If developers don't patch this at weekend ASAP, maybe most of players find another mod = NS fully died...
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  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1691250:date=Oct 23 2008, 08:22 PM:name=mothman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mothman @ Oct 23 2008, 08:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1691250"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes, this new half-life patch currently killed NS... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />

    If developers don't patch this at weekend ASAP, maybe most of players find another mod = NS fully died...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I think most of the people still playing NS are hardcore enough about it to NOT run to another mod just because NS is down for a day or two.
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  • SounDWavE1SounDWavE1 Join Date: 2005-02-06 Member: 40096Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    <!--quoteo(post=1691255:date=Oct 24 2008, 02:26 AM:name=Alcapwn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Alcapwn @ Oct 24 2008, 02:26 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1691255"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think most of the people still playing NS are hardcore enough about it to NOT run to another mod just because NS is down for a day or two.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    asmodee has fix it and is running a NS classic server at the moment but the comm has some small bugs (cant see who the comaander is. the com will not show up on the scoreboard a waypoint bug)
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  • slayer20slayer20 Killed a man once. Join Date: 2007-12-13 Member: 63157Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1691250:date=Oct 24 2008, 12:22 AM:name=mothman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mothman @ Oct 24 2008, 12:22 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1691250"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yes, this new half-life patch currently killed NS... <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />

    If developers don't patch this at weekend ASAP, maybe most of players find another mod = NS fully died...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What other mod will they move too for Half-Life?

    Many people asked me if they knew what was wrong with their games, and they couldn't connect to any of their Half-Life mods either...
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  • KazbarKazbar Join Date: 2004-10-20 Member: 32368Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1691270:date=Oct 23 2008, 08:26 PM:name=slayer20)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(slayer20 @ Oct 23 2008, 08:26 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1691270"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What other mod will they move too for Half-Life?

    Many people asked me if they knew what was wrong with their games, and they couldn't connect to any of their Half-Life mods either...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I also heard about other mods being effected, but now back on topic.



    I'm not sure if NS1 should be added to Steam for a variety of reasons. <b>First is Vista</b>. If you look at the Valve Hardware Survey you can see that almost 20% of people on steam are using Vista. Yes I know about the cl_gammaramp 0, but that doesn't fix all the problems. Most computers come with Vista today and in June of 09' Windows 7 will be released. No doubt Windows 7 will have the same problems. <b>Second is the community</b>. The NS community is full of veteran players and they aren't kind to new players. If you don't know what to do prepare to be yelled at.

    That said, I would prefer the NS2 team work on NS2. It looks like they have made good progress. I'm sure lots of people will return when NS2 is released.
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  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1691272:date=Oct 24 2008, 05:03 AM:name=Kazbar)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Kazbar @ Oct 24 2008, 05:03 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1691272"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b>Second is the community</b>. The NS community is full of veteran players and they aren't kind to new players. If you don't know what to do prepare to be yelled at.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I don't yell.....
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  • KazbarKazbar Join Date: 2004-10-20 Member: 32368Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1691275:date=Oct 23 2008, 10:49 PM:name=spellman23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(spellman23 @ Oct 23 2008, 10:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1691275"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I don't yell.....<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    It only takes one or two people to get frustrated a new player to ruin the game.

    Then again, If the new players don't ask or make it aware that they are new we can't give them the support they need.
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  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    ping! on status <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
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  • HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
    edited November 2008
    <!--quoteo(post=1693816:date=Nov 19 2008, 04:46 AM:name=SLizer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SLizer @ Nov 19 2008, 04:46 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1693816"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->ping! on status <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <i>Impossible to find server or address "on status <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />" using DNS table. Please use ping -help for usage.</i>
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  • PlasmaPlasma Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15855Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    *bump*

    =]
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  • RadixRadix Join Date: 2005-01-10 Member: 34654Members, Constellation
    The veterans are not the ###### who ###### out new players for being terrible. Vets generally (albiet tersely) give new players tips ("bind mouse2 +movement") or don't talk at all.
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  • SecuritySecurity Join Date: 2005-01-07 Member: 33133Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=1686002:date=Aug 15 2008, 05:59 PM:name=Flayra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Flayra @ Aug 15 2008, 05:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1686002"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We've been back and forth with Valve on this. Last time I heard, they said "let's do it" and it should be in process (in theory).

    <b>Update:</b> I pinged the appropriate folks at Valve to see if we can make this happen.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Any News?

    Could you maybe ask them again, to remind them of the matter? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

    I'd really like to see NS1 on Steam.
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