Valve hacked?

ZaggyZaggy NullPointerExceptionThe Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
edited April 2007 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">They're covering it up to prevent chaos..?</div>Screenshot of Valve's balance sheet
<img src="http://i16.tinypic.com/4dcv1jk.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />

Found out about it on:
<a href="http://digg.com/gaming_news/Valve_Hacked_Your_Info_may_be_at_risk" target="_blank">http://digg.com/gaming_news/Valve_Hacked_Y..._may_be_at_risk</a>
WARNING, SITE THAT DIGG LINKS TO CONTAINS SPYWARE!
(firefox ftw)

I spoke the guy (MaddoxX) on IRC, and I've checked the particle demo.
If he indeed has CC numbers...:X
He also claimed to have more then just CC numbers and particle demo.
I'm not at my home pc, so I don't have IRC logs by hand..
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  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    Your link, Zaggy, takes to me to a site which attempts to load three pieces of spyware.

    <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="mad-fix.gif" />



    But I'm still trying to figure out what officially is going on. Or is this a hoax itself?
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  • SloppyKissesSloppyKisses omgawd a furreh&#33; Virginia Join Date: 2003-07-05 Member: 17942Members, Constellation
    L
    A
    W
    L


    it was bound to happen.
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  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    <!--quoteo(post=1621854:date=Apr 19 2007, 04:41 AM:name=the_x5)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_x5 @ Apr 19 2007, 04:41 AM) [snapback]1621854[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Your link, Zaggy, takes to me to a site which attempts to load three pieces of spyware.

    <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/mad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":angry:" border="0" alt="mad-fix.gif" />
    But I'm still trying to figure out what officially is going on. Or is this a hoax itself?
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    I'm sorry about that, I haven't noticed anything, using firefox
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    Any one who uses the term Hack-O-Sphear is a tool.

    nuff said <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />


    My bet?

    some one tryign to get hits on his website to install spyware.
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  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1621889:date=Apr 19 2007, 07:23 AM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Apr 19 2007, 07:23 AM) [snapback]1621889[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Any one who uses the term Hack-O-Sphear is a tool.

    nuff said <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
    My bet?

    some one tryign to get hits on his website to install spyware.
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    That's what I'm willing to believe.


    Of course, valve was hacked earlier and had a whole build of HL2 stolen...
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  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1621895:date=Apr 19 2007, 07:34 AM:name=cshank4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cshank4 @ Apr 19 2007, 07:34 AM) [snapback]1621895[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Of course, valve was hacked earlier and had a whole build of HL2 stolen...
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    Well there is that... ><

    I'm beginning to agree with Thansal here. Please remove the link in the meantime, Zaggy, unless you can find another site w/o spyware that is reporting the issue.

    <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/marine.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::marine::" border="0" alt="marine.gif" />
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1621895:date=Apr 19 2007, 07:34 AM:name=cshank4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cshank4 @ Apr 19 2007, 07:34 AM) [snapback]1621895[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Of course, valve was hacked earlier and had a whole build of HL2 stolen...
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    True, but you know, once bitten, twice shy type thing.

    My favorite thing about that entire event was the genius who zipped up 13 or so gigs of homosexual pr0n and released it as the leak <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />


    Admittedly Valve is NOT handling this entire thing very well. Removing all posts about the topic, and not making any official statement. Even a "we are aware of this and are investigating" would be good.

    Oh well, I guess it is a good thing I am about to ditch the bank account the card I used was tied to.
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  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1621910:date=Apr 19 2007, 01:02 PM:name=Thansal)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Thansal @ Apr 19 2007, 01:02 PM) [snapback]1621910[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    True, but you know, once bitten, twice shy type thing.

    My favorite thing about that entire event was the genius who zipped up 13 or so gigs of homosexual pr0n and released it as the leak <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
    Admittedly Valve is NOT handling this entire thing very well. Removing all posts about the topic, and not making any official statement. Even a "we are aware of this and are investigating" would be good.

    Oh well, I guess it is a good thing I am about to ditch the bank account the card I used was tied to.
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    Like all powerful men or corporations in their industry denying it ever happened, covering it up and possibly throwing money around is a well used and exercised mechanism to holding on to a reputation.
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  • JohnieJohnie Join Date: 2006-10-09 Member: 58062Members
    edited April 2007
    Try this link:
    <a href="http://games.internode.on.net/content.php?mode=news&id=1067" target="_blank">http://games.internode.on.net/content.php?...ews&id=1067</a>

    As far as I can see, it contains no spyware
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  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    I hope the FBI come down on them like a ton of bricks, cause hacking a big company like valve and stealing stuff like CC numbers isn't a crime if it's on the<i> internet!</i>
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  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1621938:date=Apr 19 2007, 09:52 AM:name=Sonic)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sonic @ Apr 19 2007, 09:52 AM) [snapback]1621938[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I hope the FBI come down on them like a ton of bricks, cause hacking a big company like valve and stealing stuff like CC numbers isn't a crime if it's on the<i> internet!</i>
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    seriously.. this guy is a ######bag. I don't care if he is exposing flaws - threatening to release credit card information is just pathetic and I'm really angry that I might have to cancel mine.

    He deserves jail time for this, he's handling it like an immature little sh**
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    I'm thinking that they probably were hacked, but having the Particle Demo isn't proof. Gabe Newell (and probably other Valve people) will send you it if you email him with a good reason.
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  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    Atleast Valve aren't TKMax. That's all I'm thankful for.
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  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I'm particularly suspicious about it. At first I went "Oh crap", then I thought- "Wait a second. 9 Million? Yeah, definite hoax. Steam was confirmed to be 1/4th of HL2's sales, and its only gone further- there is no way there is only 9 million in there, unless they have it seperated into a dozen different places- and while that may be the case, it still seems unlikely as hell.

    So THEM, can we get confirmation/non here? <3
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    Hey, I forgot we have an inside man!

    the 9mill might just be the cyber cafes
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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Right, I think the guy only got info on Cyber Cafes. Steam might not even save your credit card info; it makes you reenter it each time you buy something, at least. It might just use it for verification then discard it.
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  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    edited April 2007
    You can talk to him on IRC:

    emporio.kicks-<naughtywordforbehindhere>.net
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    I'm getting the feeling he's making one big hoax though:
    <MaddoxX> wel
    <MaddoxX> low level format in a few hrs :>
    <MaddoxX> online data can't be used in court
    <MaddoxX> its my hdd that counts :>
    <MaddoxX> i needed a format anyways
    <MaddoxX> pc is full of spyware crap

    <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
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  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1621977:date=Apr 19 2007, 02:39 PM:name=Zaggy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Zaggy @ Apr 19 2007, 02:39 PM) [snapback]1621977[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    You can talk to him on IRC:

    emporio.kicks-<naughtywordforbehindhere>.net
    #1.6

    I'm getting the feeling he's making one big hoax though:
    <MaddoxX> wel
    <MaddoxX> low level format in a few hrs :>
    <MaddoxX> online data can't be used in court
    <MaddoxX> its my hdd that counts :>
    <MaddoxX> i needed a format anyways
    <MaddoxX> pc is full of spyware crap

    <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
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    Except, you know, the fact that they can recover that sort of stuff easily. The cops and military sectors have lots of fun tools.
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  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1621984:date=Apr 19 2007, 12:07 PM:name=cshank4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cshank4 @ Apr 19 2007, 12:07 PM) [snapback]1621984[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Except, you know, the fact that they can recover that sort of stuff easily. The cops and military sectors have lots of fun tools.
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    Yeah.

    But thats what Microwaves are for.
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  • ThansalThansal The New Scum Join Date: 2002-08-22 Member: 1215Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1621990:date=Apr 19 2007, 03:44 PM:name=Quaunaut)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quaunaut @ Apr 19 2007, 03:44 PM) [snapback]1621990[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Yeah.

    But thats what Microwaves are for.
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    No, that is what THERMITE is for.
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  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1621990:date=Apr 19 2007, 03:44 PM:name=Quaunaut)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Quaunaut @ Apr 19 2007, 03:44 PM) [snapback]1621990[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Yeah.

    But thats what Microwaves are for.
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    Yeah, but then they can take him in for withholding evidence from the police.
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  • RoverRover blargh Join Date: 2003-09-23 Member: 21139Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1621984:date=Apr 19 2007, 09:07 PM:name=cshank4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cshank4 @ Apr 19 2007, 09:07 PM) [snapback]1621984[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Except, you know, the fact that they can recover that sort of stuff easily. The cops and military sectors have lots of fun tools.
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    Overwriting something 9 times should permanently delete it.
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  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1621995:date=Apr 19 2007, 04:38 PM:name=Rover)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rover @ Apr 19 2007, 04:38 PM) [snapback]1621995[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Overwriting something 9 times should permanently delete it.
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    Don't underestimate the power of the coppers.
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  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    what do they have against Steam anyway? Steam rules. Digital delivery is the FUTURE! I remember when Steam just came out and the NS community hated it =p
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  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1622008:date=Apr 19 2007, 05:29 PM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoZombie @ Apr 19 2007, 05:29 PM) [snapback]1622008[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    what do they have against Steam anyway? Steam rules. Digital delivery is the FUTURE! I remember when Steam just came out and the NS community hated it =p
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    That's because it really sucked ###### before they started making tons of improvements to it.
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  • Private_ColemanPrivate_Coleman PhD in Video Games Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7510Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1622008:date=Apr 19 2007, 04:29 PM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoZombie @ Apr 19 2007, 04:29 PM) [snapback]1622008[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    what do they have against Steam anyway? Steam rules. Digital delivery is the FUTURE! I remember when Steam just came out and the NS community hated it =p
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    I used to hate it because I had 56k and had to connect to intarnet to play a single player game <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
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  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1621993:date=Apr 19 2007, 03:35 PM:name=cshank4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cshank4 @ Apr 19 2007, 03:35 PM) [snapback]1621993[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Yeah, but then they can take him in for withholding evidence from the police.
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    Not really. If he has a remotely crappy but retardedly plausible reason for microwaving his hard drive the police can't do crap. They haven't asked him that.

    At least thats what I think, <i>but I could be wrong.</i> "I always do this with old hard drives - makes it so no one will get anything valuable when I throw it out, <b>YOU NEVER KNOW!</b>" If it saves him a six billion dollar lawsuit then shelling out cash for a new hard drive isn't a bad deal.
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  • cshank4cshank4 Join Date: 2003-02-11 Member: 13425Members
    If the cops can physically go in and see/do the traceback from Valve's compies, that'll stack up. Electronic evidence DOES hold up in court, just not as easily.
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  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1621993:date=Apr 19 2007, 01:35 PM:name=cshank4)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cshank4 @ Apr 19 2007, 01:35 PM) [snapback]1621993[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Yeah, but then they can take him in for withholding evidence from the police.
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    Yeah, but whats going to land you more jail time? Destroying evidence, or going to jail for a brazillion counts of credit card fraud and violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act?
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  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Members, Constellation
    Yes send him to prison. Time of sentence won't matter as long as you lock him in a cell with a 275 pound muscular cell mate named Bubba.
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