KungFuSquirrelBasher of MuttonsJoin Date: 2002-01-26Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Dude... it's flipping shoes. And if you look at the picture, they're not exactly dressed poorly, either. Give it a flipping rest.
It's stupid the girl's relatives freaked out about it. It's stupid this is in the news at all. I mean, christ, a couple pairs of shoes (and not even ratty ones at that) 'representing' an entire major university? Give me a break.
<!--QuoteBegin-KungFuSquirrel+Jul 18 2005, 10:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuSquirrel @ Jul 18 2005, 10:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Dude... it's flipping shoes. And if you look at the picture, they're not exactly dressed poorly, either. Give it a flipping rest. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> See, THIS is exactly where the young ladies screwed up ... they wore nice dresses, yet they wore flip flops. That's like a guy wearing a suit then putting sneakers or mocs on. The 2 just don't go together.
They went together for Gandalf in Lord of the Rings <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But seriously...why are you focusing on this? Why am -I- focusing on this? Hmm...I am enlightened. *leaves thread*
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 18 2005, 09:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 18 2005, 09:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-KungFuSquirrel+Jul 18 2005, 10:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuSquirrel @ Jul 18 2005, 10:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Dude... it's flipping shoes. And if you look at the picture, they're not exactly dressed poorly, either. Give it a flipping rest. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> See, THIS is exactly where the young ladies screwed up ... they wore nice dresses, yet they wore flip flops. That's like a guy wearing a suit then putting sneakers or mocs on. The 2 just don't go together. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I gave up trying to understand Women's fashion 3 days after entering the Shoe Business Depot.
Forget it. It's less about understanding and more about just ignoring.
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 18 2005, 07:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 18 2005, 07:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They have a saying, "No shirt, no shoes, no service." Sorry, you don't get to see El Presidente`. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That could actually be considered discrimination. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
it's soo republican for people to be harping on these girls' shoes <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
they look damn stylish to me, but I'm liberal and can therefore appreciate progressive thinking in the field of footwear. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jul 18 2005, 09:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 18 2005, 09:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 18 2005, 07:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 18 2005, 07:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They have a saying, "No shirt, no shoes, no service." Sorry, you don't get to see El Presidente`. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That could actually be considered discrimination. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, if you're a ****ing Halfling maybe. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Jul 18 2005, 06:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Jul 18 2005, 06:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Forget it. It's less about understanding and more about just ignoring. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Unless you're with a woman. Then the dynamic changes completely.
Its so much easier being a guy. You see a women walk into a store, and they go around trying on/looking at everything. A guy walks in, picks up what he came there to buy, and pays for it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cold NiTe+Jul 19 2005, 03:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold NiTe @ Jul 19 2005, 03:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jul 18 2005, 09:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 18 2005, 09:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 18 2005, 07:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 18 2005, 07:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They have a saying, "No shirt, no shoes, no service." Sorry, you don't get to see El Presidente`. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That could actually be considered discrimination. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, if you're a ****ing Halfling maybe. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You not telling me something Cfor? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Going barefoot is quite healthy, and a lot more fun than wearing shoes. Read <a href='http://www.barefooters.org/key-works/case_for/index.html' target='_blank'>this</a> to learn about the health benefits as well. And check out the Discrimination section for some backing to what I said to Depot.
[EDIT:] <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Unless you're with a woman. Then the dynamic changes completely.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, the Presiudent doesn't seem to even CARE. He probably walked in to the office going "wutz da big deel guyz?"
I wear flip flops or sandals as much as possible <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Even in ze colder months...
<!--QuoteBegin-DiscoZombie+Jul 18 2005, 11:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DiscoZombie @ Jul 18 2005, 11:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> it's soo republican for people to be harping on these girls' shoes <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
they look damn stylish to me, but I'm liberal and can therefore appreciate progressive thinking in the field of footwear. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<img src='http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2005-07/18492080.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> George Bush is leaning to the left (his right). Does anyone else do that when you're next to a crazy person in a picture? I know I do. That girl on his left (our right) must be crazy.
Meh, the flip flops, I don't think it was a good idea to where flip flops to meet the president. They flip-flops are kinda like cheap shoes, plus those are ugly. Plus, flip-flops aren't formal, they just aren't. You wouldn't be wearing a simple tee-shirt to go see the president?
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Jul 19 2005, 03:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Jul 19 2005, 03:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I like how her brother pointed it out "YOU WORE FLIPFLOPS TO SEE THE PRESIDENT!!!!"
I really barely knew what flipflops were till I read the artical, and I wouldn't have ever knowticed from seeing that picture.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Flipflops are also known as shower thongs ... you wear them from a public shower to your locker to keep from contracting athelete's feet. They are also very popular to wear to the beach. As a rule they would be considered very informal wear.
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester Jul 19 2005+ 07:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester Jul 19 2005 @ 07:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Going barefoot is quite healthy, and a lot more fun than wearing shoes. Read this to learn about the health benefits as well. And check out the Discrimination section for some backing to what I said to Depot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I brushed through your reference and found nothing to refute a well known medical fact: excessive barefooting will wreak havoc on your feet, particularly if you have normal to high arches. And everyone knows, once you start to have foot problems, it can affect your knees, hips, and even lower back. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
KungFuSquirrelBasher of MuttonsJoin Date: 2002-01-26Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 19 2005, 08:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 19 2005, 08:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Flipflops are also known as shower thongs ... you wear them from a public shower to your locker to keep from contracting athelete's feet. They are also very popular to wear to the beach. As a rule they would be considered very informal wear. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I have a wife. She has a <b>massive</b> bucket o' shoes. There are 'flip-flops' in there that make my nicest shoes pale in comparison and certainly are not "informal." They look about like what these girls were wearing. And what separates them from the supposed 'acceptible' shoes? A half-inch heel? ****.
Even if they <i>did</i> wear shower thongs, it's <i>still</i> not newsworthy and still stupid that people are making a big deal about this.
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 19 2005, 09:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 19 2005, 09:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-CForrester Jul 19 2005+ 07:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester Jul 19 2005 @ 07:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Going barefoot is quite healthy, and a lot more fun than wearing shoes. Read this to learn about the health benefits as well. And check out the Discrimination section for some backing to what I said to Depot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I brushed through your reference and found nothing to refute a well known medical fact: excessive barefooting will wreak havoc on your feet, particularly if you have normal to high arches. And everyone knows, once you start to have foot problems, it can affect your knees, hips, and even lower back. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'd like to see proof of that, if you can offer it to me. I don't find it very logical for man to have feet the way they are if it causes <i>problems</i> by having them that way.
Here are some of the things that could challenge that statement, though:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And Samuel B. Shulman, in [25], stated:
<i>People who have never worn shoes acquire very few foot defects, most of which are painless and non-debilitating. The range of their foot motions are remarkably great, allowing for full foot activity. Shoes are not necessary for healthy feet and are the cause of most foot troubles. ... Footgear is the greatest enemy of the human foot.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Regarding other conditions, Stewart, in [22], stated:
<i>All writers who have reported their observations of barefooted people agree that the untrammeled feet of natural men are free from the disabilities commonly noted among shod people--hallux vagus, bunions, hammer toes, and painful feet.</i>
And Robbins, et al, in [23], stated:
<i>The reports that the authors have received indicate a low frequency of plantar fasciitis in barefoot populations.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For adults, especially runners, all modern running shoes are dangerous as a result of their construction. Robbins, et al, in [27], stated:
<i>Modern athletic footwear provides remarkable plantar comfort when walking, running, or jumping. However, when injurious plantar loads elicit negligible perceived plantar discomfort, a perceptual illusion is created whereby perceived impact is lower than actual impact, which results in inadequate impact-moderating behavior and consequent injury.</i>
And, in [23] stated:
<i>The modern running shoe and footwear in general have successfully diminished sensory feedback without diminishing the injury inducing impact, a dangerous situation.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jul 19 2005, 09:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 19 2005, 09:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 19 2005, 09:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 19 2005, 09:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-CForrester Jul 19 2005+ 07:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester Jul 19 2005 @ 07:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Going barefoot is quite healthy, and a lot more fun than wearing shoes. Read this to learn about the health benefits as well. And check out the Discrimination section for some backing to what I said to Depot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I brushed through your reference and found nothing to refute a well known medical fact: excessive barefooting will wreak havoc on your feet, particularly if you have normal to high arches. And everyone knows, once you start to have foot problems, it can affect your knees, hips, and even lower back. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'd like to see proof of that, if you can offer it to me. I don't find it very logical for man to have feet the way they are if it causes <i>problems</i> by having them that way.
Here are some of the things that could challenge that statement, though:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And Samuel B. Shulman, in [25], stated:
<i>People who have never worn shoes acquire very few foot defects, most of which are painless and non-debilitating. The range of their foot motions are remarkably great, allowing for full foot activity. Shoes are not necessary for healthy feet and are the cause of most foot troubles. ... Footgear is the greatest enemy of the human foot.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Regarding other conditions, Stewart, in [22], stated:
<i>All writers who have reported their observations of barefooted people agree that the untrammeled feet of natural men are free from the disabilities commonly noted among shod people--hallux vagus, bunions, hammer toes, and painful feet.</i>
And Robbins, et al, in [23], stated:
<i>The reports that the authors have received indicate a low frequency of plantar fasciitis in barefoot populations.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For adults, especially runners, all modern running shoes are dangerous as a result of their construction. Robbins, et al, in [27], stated:
<i>Modern athletic footwear provides remarkable plantar comfort when walking, running, or jumping. However, when injurious plantar loads elicit negligible perceived plantar discomfort, a perceptual illusion is created whereby perceived impact is lower than actual impact, which results in inadequate impact-moderating behavior and consequent injury.</i>
And, in [23] stated:
<i>The modern running shoe and footwear in general have successfully diminished sensory feedback without diminishing the injury inducing impact, a dangerous situation.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> People with normal or in particular high arches are prone to plantar faciaitis. This possible injury can be minimalized by proper arch support, certainly not attainable by continuous mobilization without supportive footwear. If you'd like to discuss this further I recommend creating a thread in Discussions, but be forwarned - the old man KNOWS feet, foot injuries, and foremost running shoes. [/off topic] <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
That being said, if a person were to mill about constantly wearing nothing but flipflops, they would certainly be in for a number of related injuries as already noted.
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 18 2005, 06:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 18 2005, 06:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-KungFuSquirrel+Jul 18 2005, 10:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuSquirrel @ Jul 18 2005, 10:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Dude... it's flipping shoes. And if you look at the picture, they're not exactly dressed poorly, either. Give it a flipping rest. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> See, THIS is exactly where the young ladies screwed up ... they wore nice dresses, yet they wore flip flops. <i>That's like a guy wearing a suit then putting sneakers</i> or mocs on. The 2 just don't go together.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I do this all the time.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nikon+Jul 19 2005, 12:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nikon @ Jul 19 2005, 12:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 18 2005, 06:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 18 2005, 06:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-KungFuSquirrel+Jul 18 2005, 10:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuSquirrel @ Jul 18 2005, 10:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Dude... it's flipping shoes. And if you look at the picture, they're not exactly dressed poorly, either. Give it a flipping rest. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> See, THIS is exactly where the young ladies screwed up ... they wore nice dresses, yet they wore flip flops. <i>That's like a guy wearing a suit then putting sneakers</i> or mocs on. The 2 just don't go together.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I do this all the time. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ... permissible for your 11 o'clock news anchor whose feet are never shown. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It's just common courtesy you uncivilized crudes. You don't wear casual clothing to a formal event. And for the next couple hundred years, flip flops and sandels will be casual, because tastes like that don't change over night.
It doesn't matter if it's the president or your highschool principle. It's a matter of old fashioned honor, pride, and respect.
<!--QuoteBegin-KungFuSquirrel Jul 19 2005+ 09:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuSquirrel Jul 19 2005 @ 09:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Even if they did wear shower thongs, it's still not newsworthy and still stupid that people are making a big deal about this. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The President is constantly in the public's eye, and anyone who socializes with him is also. One of the girl's brother emailed her regarding this and the rest is history. It was recently brought up about a girl's softball team who was invited to the Whitehouse a while back, and they dressed down and wore sneakers. More on this on the 6 o'clock news folks... KFS, note Rob's reply as I pretty much agree with him.
<!--QuoteBegin-Rob+Jul 19 2005, 01:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rob @ Jul 19 2005, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's just common courtesy you uncivilized crudes. You don't wear casual clothing to a formal event. And for the next couple hundred years, flip flops and sandels will be casual, because tastes like that don't change over night.
It doesn't matter if it's the president or your highschool principle. It's a matter of old fashioned honor, pride, and respect. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well stated Rob - I couldn't have said it better myself. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Rob+Jul 19 2005, 12:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rob @ Jul 19 2005, 12:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's just common courtesy you uncivilized crudes. You don't wear casual clothing to a formal event. And for the next couple hundred years, flip flops and sandels will be casual, because tastes like that don't change over night.
It doesn't matter if it's the president or your highschool principle. It's a matter of old fashioned honor, pride, and respect. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Me am crude? What u talky-human talky-bout naow?
flip flops, open foot sandals, who cares. Let the girls live life while they are young, they can always look back and cringe later. It's not like they are there for a formal reason. "hey, we are good at a sport, the president wants to congratulate us and get a photo op. Oh, and we are also going to draw up legislation to lower national debt and lobby it to congressmen, then arbitrate the middle east peace discussions." If I were the president, god knows I would want people to be comfortable in my house (one of the many reasons I won't be president).
<!--QuoteBegin-Roberto+Jul 19 2005, 02:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roberto @ Jul 19 2005, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> flip flops, open foot sandals, who cares. Let the girls live life while they are young, they can always look back and cringe later. It's not like they are there for a formal reason. "hey, we are good at a sport, the president wants to congratulate us and get a photo op. Oh, and we are also going to draw up legislation to lower national debt and lobby it to congressmen, then arbitrate the middle east peace discussions." If I were the president, god knows I would want people to be comfortable in my house (one of the many reasons I won't be president). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A planned, invited, and photo opped event congradulating anyone about anything anytime is <i>always</i> a formal event. Sandels are not formal footwear, no matter how much we want them to be.
And aside from the mere respectful implications of this, it may hurt their chances getting a job at a very formal or traditional company. One of those places where you gotta wear a suit into the office or else. What's this incident say to that employer? "This girl doesn't know how to present herself."
The girls made a concious effort to go out, and purchase clothes they felt were appropriate for the occassion. If anything, the act of spending money, just for a single event, shows more respect then dusting off some dress shoes and putting them on. They saw nothing wrong with they way they were dressed, and ment no intentional disrespect by it.
And what happens if they don't respect him? Should they not wear flip-flops anyway?
Besides, if he actually looks down there will end up being a photograph of him staring at some girls ****, he wouldn't have even seen their knees for god sake.
Finally and most importantly, I can understand someone being an expert in shoes... but to be a shoe expert! Ludicrous!
<!--QuoteBegin-CMEast+Jul 19 2005, 02:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CMEast @ Jul 19 2005, 02:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And what happens if they don't respect him? Should they not wear flip-flops anyway?
Besides, if he actually looks down there will end up being a photograph of him staring at some girls ****, he wouldn't have even seen their knees for god sake.
Finally and most importantly, I can understand someone being an expert in shoes... but to be a shoe expert! Ludicrous! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You miss the point entirely. Even in disrespect of the one who is giving you an <i>honor</i>, you only make yourself look like a reject by deliberately dressing trashy. Not saying they wore torn trash bags, but those shoes do not fit attire for such an occasion, no matter who happens to be president. No matter if they were being honored by the most communist Prime minister of Russia during the height of the god damned cold war. It's taste and eloquence.
Two things come to mind:<ul><li>Their mothers did a ****-poor job of dressing them that morning.</li><li>Northwestern must be an agricultural university</li></ul>
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It's stupid the girl's relatives freaked out about it. It's stupid this is in the news at all. I mean, christ, a couple pairs of shoes (and not even ratty ones at that) 'representing' an entire major university? Give me a break.
See, THIS is exactly where the young ladies screwed up ... they wore nice dresses, yet they wore flip flops. That's like a guy wearing a suit then putting sneakers or mocs on. The 2 just don't go together.
But seriously...why are you focusing on this? Why am -I- focusing on this? Hmm...I am enlightened. *leaves thread*
See, THIS is exactly where the young ladies screwed up ... they wore nice dresses, yet they wore flip flops. That's like a guy wearing a suit then putting sneakers or mocs on. The 2 just don't go together. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I gave up trying to understand Women's fashion 3 days after entering the Shoe Business Depot.
Forget it. It's less about understanding and more about just ignoring.
That could actually be considered discrimination. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
they look damn stylish to me, but I'm liberal and can therefore appreciate progressive thinking in the field of footwear. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<img src='http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2005-07/18492080.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
I really barely knew what flipflops were till I read the artical, and I wouldn't have ever knowticed from seeing that picture.
That could actually be considered discrimination. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, if you're a ****ing Halfling maybe. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You not telling me something Cfor?
Unless you're with a woman. Then the dynamic changes completely.
Its so much easier being a guy. You see a women walk into a store, and they go around trying on/looking at everything. A guy walks in, picks up what he came there to buy, and pays for it.
May sound stereotypical, but its mostly true.
That could actually be considered discrimination. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, if you're a ****ing Halfling maybe. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You not telling me something Cfor? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Heh. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Going barefoot is quite healthy, and a lot more fun than wearing shoes. Read <a href='http://www.barefooters.org/key-works/case_for/index.html' target='_blank'>this</a> to learn about the health benefits as well. And check out the Discrimination section for some backing to what I said to Depot.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Unless you're with a woman. Then the dynamic changes completely.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, the Presiudent doesn't seem to even CARE. He probably walked in to the office going "wutz da big deel guyz?"
they look damn stylish to me, but I'm liberal and can therefore appreciate progressive thinking in the field of footwear. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<img src='http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2005-07/18492080.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
George Bush is leaning to the left (his right). Does anyone else do that when you're next to a crazy person in a picture? I know I do. That girl on his left (our right) must be crazy.
I really barely knew what flipflops were till I read the artical, and I wouldn't have ever knowticed from seeing that picture.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Flipflops are also known as shower thongs ... you wear them from a public shower to your locker to keep from contracting athelete's feet. They are also very popular to wear to the beach. As a rule they would be considered very informal wear.
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester Jul 19 2005+ 07:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester Jul 19 2005 @ 07:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
Going barefoot is quite healthy, and a lot more fun than wearing shoes. Read this to learn about the health benefits as well. And check out the Discrimination section for some backing to what I said to Depot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I brushed through your reference and found nothing to refute a well known medical fact: excessive barefooting will wreak havoc on your feet, particularly if you have normal to high arches. And everyone knows, once you start to have foot problems, it can affect your knees, hips, and even lower back. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I have a wife. She has a <b>massive</b> bucket o' shoes. There are 'flip-flops' in there that make my nicest shoes pale in comparison and certainly are not "informal." They look about like what these girls were wearing. And what separates them from the supposed 'acceptible' shoes? A half-inch heel? ****.
Even if they <i>did</i> wear shower thongs, it's <i>still</i> not newsworthy and still stupid that people are making a big deal about this.
Going barefoot is quite healthy, and a lot more fun than wearing shoes. Read this to learn about the health benefits as well. And check out the Discrimination section for some backing to what I said to Depot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I brushed through your reference and found nothing to refute a well known medical fact: excessive barefooting will wreak havoc on your feet, particularly if you have normal to high arches. And everyone knows, once you start to have foot problems, it can affect your knees, hips, and even lower back. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd like to see proof of that, if you can offer it to me. I don't find it very logical for man to have feet the way they are if it causes <i>problems</i> by having them that way.
Here are some of the things that could challenge that statement, though:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And Samuel B. Shulman, in [25], stated:
<i>People who have never worn shoes acquire very few foot defects, most of which are painless and non-debilitating. The range of their foot motions are remarkably great, allowing for full foot activity. Shoes are not necessary for healthy feet and are the cause of most foot troubles. ... Footgear is the greatest enemy of the human foot.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Regarding other conditions, Stewart, in [22], stated:
<i>All writers who have reported their observations of barefooted people agree that the untrammeled feet of natural men are free from the disabilities commonly noted among shod people--hallux vagus, bunions, hammer toes, and painful feet.</i>
And Robbins, et al, in [23], stated:
<i>The reports that the authors have received indicate a low frequency of plantar fasciitis in barefoot populations.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For adults, especially runners, all modern running shoes are dangerous as a result of their construction. Robbins, et al, in [27], stated:
<i>Modern athletic footwear provides remarkable plantar comfort when walking, running, or jumping. However, when injurious plantar loads elicit negligible perceived plantar discomfort, a perceptual illusion is created whereby perceived impact is lower than actual impact, which results in inadequate impact-moderating behavior and consequent injury.</i>
And, in [23] stated:
<i>The modern running shoe and footwear in general have successfully diminished sensory feedback without diminishing the injury inducing impact, a dangerous situation.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Going barefoot is quite healthy, and a lot more fun than wearing shoes. Read this to learn about the health benefits as well. And check out the Discrimination section for some backing to what I said to Depot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I brushed through your reference and found nothing to refute a well known medical fact: excessive barefooting will wreak havoc on your feet, particularly if you have normal to high arches. And everyone knows, once you start to have foot problems, it can affect your knees, hips, and even lower back. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd like to see proof of that, if you can offer it to me. I don't find it very logical for man to have feet the way they are if it causes <i>problems</i> by having them that way.
Here are some of the things that could challenge that statement, though:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And Samuel B. Shulman, in [25], stated:
<i>People who have never worn shoes acquire very few foot defects, most of which are painless and non-debilitating. The range of their foot motions are remarkably great, allowing for full foot activity. Shoes are not necessary for healthy feet and are the cause of most foot troubles. ... Footgear is the greatest enemy of the human foot.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Regarding other conditions, Stewart, in [22], stated:
<i>All writers who have reported their observations of barefooted people agree that the untrammeled feet of natural men are free from the disabilities commonly noted among shod people--hallux vagus, bunions, hammer toes, and painful feet.</i>
And Robbins, et al, in [23], stated:
<i>The reports that the authors have received indicate a low frequency of plantar fasciitis in barefoot populations.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For adults, especially runners, all modern running shoes are dangerous as a result of their construction. Robbins, et al, in [27], stated:
<i>Modern athletic footwear provides remarkable plantar comfort when walking, running, or jumping. However, when injurious plantar loads elicit negligible perceived plantar discomfort, a perceptual illusion is created whereby perceived impact is lower than actual impact, which results in inadequate impact-moderating behavior and consequent injury.</i>
And, in [23] stated:
<i>The modern running shoe and footwear in general have successfully diminished sensory feedback without diminishing the injury inducing impact, a dangerous situation.</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
People with normal or in particular high arches are prone to plantar faciaitis. This possible injury can be minimalized by proper arch support, certainly not attainable by continuous mobilization without supportive footwear. If you'd like to discuss this further I recommend creating a thread in Discussions, but be forwarned - the old man KNOWS feet, foot injuries, and foremost running shoes. [/off topic] <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
That being said, if a person were to mill about constantly wearing nothing but flipflops, they would certainly be in for a number of related injuries as already noted.
See, THIS is exactly where the young ladies screwed up ... they wore nice dresses, yet they wore flip flops. <i>That's like a guy wearing a suit then putting sneakers</i> or mocs on. The 2 just don't go together.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I do this all the time.
See, THIS is exactly where the young ladies screwed up ... they wore nice dresses, yet they wore flip flops. <i>That's like a guy wearing a suit then putting sneakers</i> or mocs on. The 2 just don't go together.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I do this all the time. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
... permissible for your 11 o'clock news anchor whose feet are never shown. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It doesn't matter if it's the president or your highschool principle. It's a matter of old fashioned honor, pride, and respect.
Even if they did wear shower thongs, it's still not newsworthy and still stupid that people are making a big deal about this. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The President is constantly in the public's eye, and anyone who socializes with him is also. One of the girl's brother emailed her regarding this and the rest is history. It was recently brought up about a girl's softball team who was invited to the Whitehouse a while back, and they dressed down and wore sneakers. More on this on the 6 o'clock news folks... KFS, note Rob's reply as I pretty much agree with him.
<!--QuoteBegin-Rob+Jul 19 2005, 01:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rob @ Jul 19 2005, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's just common courtesy you uncivilized crudes. You don't wear casual clothing to a formal event. And for the next couple hundred years, flip flops and sandels will be casual, because tastes like that don't change over night.
It doesn't matter if it's the president or your highschool principle. It's a matter of old fashioned honor, pride, and respect. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well stated Rob - I couldn't have said it better myself. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I looked at those sandals, and some of them look pretty damn formal.
It doesn't matter if it's the president or your highschool principle. It's a matter of old fashioned honor, pride, and respect. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Me am crude? What u talky-human talky-bout naow?
Haha, silly funny man. Me squish you with club.
If I were the president, god knows I would want people to be comfortable in my house (one of the many reasons I won't be president).
If I were the president, god knows I would want people to be comfortable in my house (one of the many reasons I won't be president). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
A planned, invited, and photo opped event congradulating anyone about anything anytime is <i>always</i> a formal event. Sandels are not formal footwear, no matter how much we want them to be.
And aside from the mere respectful implications of this, it may hurt their chances getting a job at a very formal or traditional company. One of those places where you gotta wear a suit into the office or else. What's this incident say to that employer? "This girl doesn't know how to present herself."
It's ALL about image.
The girls made a concious effort to go out, and purchase clothes they felt were appropriate for the occassion. If anything, the act of spending money, just for a single event, shows more respect then dusting off some dress shoes and putting them on. They saw nothing wrong with they way they were dressed, and ment no intentional disrespect by it.
Besides, if he actually looks down there will end up being a photograph of him staring at some girls ****, he wouldn't have even seen their knees for god sake.
Finally and most importantly, I can understand someone being an expert in shoes... but to be a shoe expert! Ludicrous!
Besides, if he actually looks down there will end up being a photograph of him staring at some girls ****, he wouldn't have even seen their knees for god sake.
Finally and most importantly, I can understand someone being an expert in shoes... but to be a shoe expert! Ludicrous! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You miss the point entirely. Even in disrespect of the one who is giving you an <i>honor</i>, you only make yourself look like a reject by deliberately dressing trashy. Not saying they wore torn trash bags, but those shoes do not fit attire for such an occasion, no matter who happens to be president. No matter if they were being honored by the most communist Prime minister of Russia during the height of the god damned cold war. It's taste and eloquence.