Unfairly Banned From #naturalselection :o

TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
I was in #naturalselection, and I had said gaay a few times earlier on, because someone asked if I was. Then someone asked something about yaoi, and I explained what it was, and the Onos bot banned me.

(Yaoi involves saying the word gaay)
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  • TyphonTyphon Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1899Members
    not sure what was unfair about that. if you were using words that the bot is set up to block, maybe you shouldn't have used those words.
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    I didn't really know.

    Plus, I wasn't using them in an offensive context.
  • CayCay Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8329Members
    Thems the rocks kid, there are other words for homosexual then **obscenity**.
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    Well yeah. But I'm not used to censored IRC chans, and my memory is so bad I can't even remember simple chan names, let alone if it's censored or not.

    :|
  • ImmacolataImmacolata Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2140Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Pencil + paper.

    Password program.

    There is no excuse.

    Take it as a lesson learned. The only method your personality can be gauged online is by the way you type. I don't like mingling with people who must use expletives all the time. Be that **obscenity** **obscenity** **obscenity** **obscenity** and ** obscenity ** (that last ** obscenity ** was my own <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    There are informal rules, varying from each place to the next. You just bumped into one of them. Perhaps not saying the g-word allatime would be a good start.
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    edited November 2002
    Like I said, I hadn't sworn once. I merely said a sexual preference.
  • mouthmouth Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9142Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Cay+Nov 20 2002, 04:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cay @ Nov 20 2002, 04:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thems the rocks kid, there are other words for homosexual then **obscenity**.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, and? There are other words that mean "red" other than "red". Here's the shocker, ace: THEY ALL MEAN THE SAME THING EITHER WAY. Censorship is only good for fostering the necessity of idiotic synonyms and euphemisms. It's about as dumb as calling a spade a shovel.

    And, if you brainiacs really want to get down to the nitty gritty, you'll find that censoring that particular word is far more offensive to homosexuals in instances like this.

    But, then again, i'm doing something stupid: I'm expecting the people who support swear filters to be capable of rational thought.
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    edited November 2002
    mouth, I disagree somewhat.

    Sometimes swear filters can be a help. Like when a group of "ragers" come into a server and start spouting ethnic slurs and whatnot? Now personally, I find it somewhat offensive to have my sexual preferences censored, and even banned for saying it, but eh, that's that, and I guess if I get banned for that, I have no real reason to be in there.


    Edit: Damn typos.
  • TwexTwex Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4999Members
    edited November 2002
    The ban is only deserved if the word you mentioned is used as an adjective synonymous for "stupid" or "retarded".

    The current bot in the channel however bans also for the correct use of the word. This probably violates several anti-discrimination laws.

    AFAIK the channel operators are aware of this and will bring the word list in accordance with the law as soon as possible.
  • ImmacolataImmacolata Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2140Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Problem with the g-word is that so many abuse it as a slur right? It's easier just to block the use of that particular word on an otherwise unmoderate channel. Alternative is "ur a phaggot." "No ur ghey" "no ur even gheyer" etc. If you can't live with not being allowed to state your sexual preference in an #IRC channel using the g-word, oh well. Perhaps the ban is temporarily. Try write the ops a letter instead of making it an issue here on the boards as well.
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    Well it's not so much that, it's that it was an accident, and someone asked me.
  • CayCay Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8329Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Twex+Nov 20 2002, 03:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Twex @ Nov 20 2002, 03:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The ban is only deserved if the word you mentioned is used as an adjective synonymous for "stupid" or "retarded".

    The current bot in the channel however bans also for the correct use of the word. This violates several anti-discrimination laws.

    AFAIK the channel operators are aware of this and will bring the word list in accordance with the law as soon as possible.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I believe sir you are incorrect about a lack of legality. IRC servers are privately run forms of communication, and do not need to conform to Political correctness in any way if they are run from the united states. To put it into human terms, you cant sue me for kicking you out of my home for saying **obscenity**, because its my home and you dont HAVE to be there. ok you could sue me but you would be laughed out of 9/10 courts
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    Well, that's just common sense, Cay.

    Sadly something a fair bit of people lack. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • TwexTwex Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4999Members
    As far as I know discriminating people based upon their religion or sexual orientation is illegal even in private environments.

    And you never know what qualifies as "emotional distress" these days...
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    Being looked at funny could be sued for nowdays. :|
  • InjuryInjury Mahou Shoujo Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7992Banned
    This is sadly true, you could be sued for anything anywhere.
  • mouthmouth Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9142Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Testament+Nov 20 2002, 05:13 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Testament @ Nov 20 2002, 05:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->mouth, I disagree somewhat.

    Sometimes swear filters can be a help. Like when a group of "ragers" come into a server and start spouting ethnic slurs and whatnot? Now personally, I find it somewhat offensive to have my sexual preferences censored, and even banned for saying it, but eh, that's that, and I guess if I get banned for that, I have no real reason to be in there.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, it is NOT a "that's that" kinda situation. I do understand the reasoning behind your last sentence, but it's still retarded that it even happened.

    Beyond that, people miss the point with swearwords, much like the uneducated wingnuts who blame rock 'n roll or videogames for school shootings. Gamers seem disgusted that blood is more acceptable than sex in media, yet some of them turn around and act like saying "**obscenity**" is somehow less acceptable than mauling a space marine with hideous, razor-toothed aliens.

    Does anyone ACTUALLY believe that those so-called "ragers" are going to be any more intelligent, or any less irritating <i>without</i> the ability to say "**obscenity**"? If anyone does, they're more naive than they think. Does anyone actually believe that "i need to take a poo" is any more intelligent than "Boy, do i ever need to take a **obscenity**"? Seeing as both sentences are telling you something that hopefully isn't critical information to you, i would hope not. Really, filters are just a bunch of pretentious BS. When someone is spamming obscenities in a channel, the problem isn't that they're spamming <b>obscenities</b>. The problem is that they're <b>spamming</b> obscenities.

    A jackhole is a jackhole, with <u>or</u> without "swear words". Likewise with intelligent people.
  • TyphonTyphon Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1899Members
    edited November 2002
    Hey Twex, ever hear of a group called 'The Boyscouts'?

    Or 'The Army'?

    Attempting to make a filter look like discrimination wont get you very far because discrimination is legal.
  • CayCay Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8329Members
    edited November 2002
    Ok so lets look at it this way mouth,

    man walks into your home and puts a cow chip on your couch, you tell him that you dont want feces in your home, Its your home you have the right to tell him not to put feces there right? so the man does it again and you kick him out telling him to never return. you were in the right there right?

    now replace the words cowchip and feces with swearing, and home and couch with chat room. see the point?
  • TwexTwex Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4999Members
    edited November 2002
    we would still have to decide whether an IRC channel is a private organization (which apparently MAY discriminate under US law, Typhon is right) or a public accomodation...

    but it doesn't matter. the IRC ops know that automatic kickbans based on a wordlist are counterproductive for their goal (which IS in fact a discrimination-free environment) and they will correct it as soon as they can. at least that is what they told me.
  • greydmiyugreydmiyu Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9234Members
    Nope, not in private settings and especially not private settings which are for entertainment.
  • TweedleTweedle Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7581Members
    Careful about saying the word sophomore, too. I got kicked for that one.
  • NecroNecro &lt;insert non-birthday-related title here&gt; Join Date: 2002-08-09 Member: 1118Members
    how can you NOT know? it kicks you when u first use it and if you didn't get the hint, well i'm sorry but you should be banned D:
  • greydmiyugreydmiyu Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9234Members
    Mouth, the point isn't that they'll be different. Chances are, they won't. Problem is we don't have the technology to recognize wankers and ban them from our servers automatically. But you know what does happen quite often? Those immature little brats come onto a sever, see that there favorite words aren't allowed and take their words and their ill-mannered behavior elsewhere which is fine by me. I have no problems with such filters because I prefer the company of mature players. I play these games to have fun, not to be cussed out by some pissant little punk whose testicles haven't decended yet.
  • GobyWanGobyWan Join Date: 2002-02-22 Member: 234Members
    The problem here is that the Onos bot is a piece of code that can't distinguish between someone calling someone else "g-a-y" as an insult, and someone saying "yes, I am g-a-y, this is my sexual preference". IMHO it was easier without a swear filter on the Onos bot, because everything was at the discretion of the ops. Censorship really isn't the issue so much as trying to keep people from being rude and unpleasant, and also from using slurs like "g-a-y" which, believe it or not, actually offends every single **obscenity** person I know.
  • FlayraFlayra Game Director, Unknown Worlds Entertainment San Francisco Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 3Super Administrators, NS2 Developer, Subnautica Developer
    It's unfortunate that we have to treat that word as a bad word, but 99% of the time, people are using it as a slur. In this case though, it sounds like it was being used legitimately, and shouldn't have caused a ban. The IRC ops will look at your case and take action. Sorry about that.
  • reborebo Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2734Members
    Banning the word "g-a-y" is a mistake.
  • SnappleSSnappleS Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9073Members
    Personally, I can't stand their channel rules...But, it's their channel, and the beauty of being ops is, they get to set them...

    Just yesterday I saw Greedo join the channel and say "wow this channel <b>died</b>"

    I think the Onos bot is going crazy on bans because of the no swearing rule and that's why they've lost so many of their idlers.
  • BrutusBrutus Join Date: 2002-10-20 Member: 1555Members
    Don't pay attention to mouth. He likes to troll forums and act like he is an intelligent person, when in fact he is not. He has been doing this in CS for years, and it looks like he has moved on to NS.

    Now mouth will make some reply I am sure he will find intelligent while the rest of us just say 'what an idiot'. Come on mouth we are waiting for some more of your wit.
  • absentabsent Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8378Members
    Quite funny how freaks of nature have to be babysitted like this (censors)
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