Strange, when I was a kid we used the terms **obscenity**, and **obscenity**. Like "Your a freaking **obscenity** man" or "OMG your so **obscenity**" and never associated it with sexual preference or used it to slander. It was just a term and a mild one at that. Go figure.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I can't stand their channel rules...But, it's their channel, and the beauty of being ops is, they get to set them...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ops don't make their own rules. they can't do as they please they have to follow the channel rules just teh same as any other person. Personall the rules are just basic rules, things that should be obvious. What you don't like it that you can't swear at other people, talk about drugs or warez or post porn links? My My. the channel has some young visitors even people as young as 11, what if their mother comes in and sees what kind of things her son/daughter is talking about/looking at?
And as for the channel dieing? hardly, the channel has mode +D on, so you can only see the people that said something, the channel still has over 200 people in it during weekdays, when i'm on. considering the channel had 80 visitors with a maximum of 120 (on weekends) before the release, you can hardly say it is dieing......... PS i hate netscape
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edited November 2002
If use of such terms in a derogatory manner wasn't a problem, the filter wouldn't be there.
I believe that it sucks and that it's **obscenity**, but the situation could have been avoided. Sad fact is, it HAD been a huge problem in the channel.
Polite enforcement by ops got nowhere. That leaves the harsh option.
Whilst i understand the reasoning behind banning the word "g-a-y", it appears little thought has gone into that decision. Banning that word is similar to banning "jew", ban the abusers of language not the words themselves.
No, the IRC channel is far from dead. The only reason regulars arent there much anymore isnt because of the "Evil Commie-Nazi Onos bot" its because most of the time, all you see is spam, cursing, general llamaness and idiotic remarks. Of course, every once in a while we get a nice conversation, but that a rare instance.
And BTW: Necro is right, the bot kicks you if you say it and gives you a reason, if you decide to keep on doing it its your own fault.
lol. 'ghey' is almost an adjective now for anything computer related and not-very-good. :-)
That's like the time I got into trouble referring to the smaller of the two x-box controllers as a 'jap controller' - it's not a racial epithet! it's just spelled the same!
<!--QuoteBegin--rebo+Nov 20 2002, 04:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (rebo @ Nov 20 2002, 04:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Whilst i understand the reasoning behind banning the word "g-a-y", it appears little thought has gone into that decision. Banning that word is similar to banning "jew", ban the abusers of language not the words themselves.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well said.
How about you just follow the rules that they want you to follow or not use the channel? Complaining 'ban the abuser not the word' makes no sense. They are banning people that use words they don't want on the IRC chan.
<!--QuoteBegin--Brutus+Nov 20 2002, 04:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brutus @ Nov 20 2002, 04:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->How about you just follow the rules that they want you to follow or not use the channel? Complaining 'ban the abuser not the word' makes no sense. They are banning people that use words they don't want on the IRC chan.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree that the IRC channel has its rules and that's perfectly fine with me. They can run it how ever they want. That said, are we not allowed to give our opinion on how we think it <b>should</b> be handled? I don't think rebo said that they should <b>have</b> to do that, but I think it's a damn good point.
look, the problem here aren't the rules, it's a bot that is too stupid to enforce them correctly. The rules exist to PROTECT homosexual people, so it's absurd that they aren't allowed to say "hey, i'm **obscenity** and proud of it!"
or that a jew can't say "hey, i'm a jew" without getting banned
just silly
human beings must watch over the rules, not this bot
<!--QuoteBegin--GobyWan+Nov 20 2002, 08:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GobyWan @ Nov 20 2002, 08:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The problem here is that the Onos bot is a piece of code that can't distinguish between someone calling someone else "g-a-y" as an insult, and someone saying "yes, I am g-a-y, this is my sexual preference". IMHO it was easier without a swear filter on the Onos bot, because everything was at the discretion of the ops. Censorship really isn't the issue so much as trying to keep people from being rude and unpleasant, and also from using slurs like "g-a-y" which, believe it or not, actually offends every single **obscenity** person I know.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i agree completely, banning the g-a-y- word can actually offend more people, especially if it is their sexual preference, i am offended even though i am not g-a-y-, because it is not a swear word. I think its even banned on this forum!
<!--QuoteBegin--supernorn2000+Nov 20 2002, 05:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (supernorn2000 @ Nov 20 2002, 05:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think its even banned on this forum!
ill try it out:
**obscenity**
**obscenity**
**obscenity**
EDIT: well ill be dammed...i was right.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow. When forums mark words such as "g-a-y" as an obscenity, that's progress... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Yea, because we all know that it would only be used in the appropriate manner. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
I made up some random weird word in that channel and all of the sudden got kicked by Onos. (Racist/Sexist comments will not be tolerated here. I realized the word had *that racist word for a chinese person that starts with a G* I'll have to check my made up words more closeley next time <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Brutus+Nov 20 2002, 05:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Brutus @ Nov 20 2002, 05:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yea, because we all know that it would only be used in the appropriate manner. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> As rebo excellently pointed out, the word "Jew" is often used in an inappropriate manner. Does that mean it should be banned or marked as an obscenity? This is an overreaction that helps nothing.
Other words which are used in a derogatory manner and should be banned:
Lawyer Polititian Mormon Catholic Islamic Christian White Black Red Man Woman American Mexican British French Short Tall Poor Rich Slow Big Small Communist Capitalist Dog Pig Cow Chicken Snake Dirt
I've heard every one of these used as the main (and sometimes the whole) part of an insult. Feel free to add your own. It's about time we stopped poeple from saying anything that might in some way be used to make someone feel bad.
My opinion of the IRC channel is that its their channel, they can do what they want with it. I'm <u>not</u> obligated to visit it so in my view if you wish to join someone else's channel you should follow their rules. However, this opens up a whole new can of worms involving communities and gatherings.
My two rupees. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Testament, your point has been taken, we're discussing it. Also, Onos will most likely be pacified quite a bit in the near future.
Please note that this is the <i>only</i> 'Why did I get banned' thread we have allowed and will allow, and even it ends here. If you've got such issues, <b>PM the Op responsible.</b>
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Ops don't make their own rules. they can't do as they please they have to follow the channel rules just teh same as any other person. Personall the rules are just basic rules, things that should be obvious. What you don't like it that you can't swear at other people, talk about drugs or warez or post porn links? My My. the channel has some young visitors even people as young as 11, what if their mother comes in and sees what kind of things her son/daughter is talking about/looking at?
And as for the channel dieing? hardly, the channel has mode +D on, so you can only see the people that said something, the channel still has over 200 people in it during weekdays, when i'm on. considering the channel had 80 visitors with a maximum of 120 (on weekends) before the release, you can hardly say it is dieing.........
PS i hate netscape
I believe that it sucks and that it's **obscenity**, but the situation could have been avoided. Sad fact is, it HAD been a huge problem in the channel.
Polite enforcement by ops got nowhere. That leaves the harsh option.
And BTW: Necro is right, the bot kicks you if you say it and gives you a reason, if you decide to keep on doing it its your own fault.
That's like the time I got into trouble referring to the smaller of the two x-box controllers as a 'jap controller' - it's not a racial epithet! it's just spelled the same!
anyway <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Well said.
I agree that the IRC channel has its rules and that's perfectly fine with me. They can run it how ever they want. That said, are we not allowed to give our opinion on how we think it <b>should</b> be handled? I don't think rebo said that they should <b>have</b> to do that, but I think it's a damn good point.
or that a jew can't say "hey, i'm a jew" without getting banned
just silly
human beings must watch over the rules, not this bot
i agree completely, banning the g-a-y- word can actually offend more people, especially if it is their sexual preference, i am offended even though i am not g-a-y-, because it is not a swear word. I think its even banned on this forum!
ill try it out:
**obscenity**
**obscenity**
**obscenity**
EDIT: well ill be dammed...i was right.
ill try it out:
**obscenity**
**obscenity**
**obscenity**
EDIT: well ill be dammed...i was right.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow. When forums mark words such as "g-a-y" as an obscenity, that's progress... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
I realized the word had *that racist word for a chinese person that starts with a G*
I'll have to check my made up words more closeley next time <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
As rebo excellently pointed out, the word "Jew" is often used in an inappropriate manner. Does that mean it should be banned or marked as an obscenity? This is an overreaction that helps nothing.
Lawyer
Polititian
Mormon
Catholic
Islamic
Christian
White
Black
Red
Man
Woman
American
Mexican
British
French
Short
Tall
Poor
Rich
Slow
Big
Small
Communist
Capitalist
Dog
Pig
Cow
Chicken
Snake
Dirt
I've heard every one of these used as the main (and sometimes the whole) part of an insult. Feel free to add your own. It's about time we stopped poeple from saying anything that might in some way be used to make someone feel bad.
My two rupees. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' valign='absmiddle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
Also, Onos will most likely be pacified quite a bit in the near future.
Please note that this is the <i>only</i> 'Why did I get banned' thread we have allowed and will allow, and even it ends here.
If you've got such issues, <b>PM the Op responsible.</b>