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Comrad_Skulk
Join Date: 2005-05-04 Member: 50891Banned
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<div class="IPBDescription">why not replace/minmize use of teachers?</div> I just had this idea, With information being so easily at our fingertips why do we need teachers? here is my idea of public education
Basically you go into a Gaint LAN center with 500+ computers (or however many students you want to have) the students come in and are presented with the information they need to learn, they sit at their cubical and study hard and when they learn what they need to they pass a test to prove they've learned it... now Computers would be losely monitered and simple filters put into place to prevent students wasting time with things like porn and learning how to make bombs and stuff.
we could minimize the large work force we have of teachers and turn it into a couple counslers that supply text support from online and perhaps a Admin in the LAN center to keep things going, things like P.E. Band Choir and other stuff could be executed in a more traditional matter that way we don't loose all sense of humanity.
I think a system like this if worked out well would work well for many reasons
1- It'd seperate the hard workers from the slackers, sure its one thing to get A's in school when teachers spoon feed you anwsers. its another to see what kids know what it takes to work hard and succceed
2- Kids could progress at their own pace... perhaps to make a NS reffrence I'd give the idea of a "Tech Tree" in which once completing the one thing you move on to the next, perhaps we could have subjects like , Math, English, Computers, ETC.
3- It'd Enable kids to specialize more. reffering to the Tech tree idea I'd suggest that kids that are great at math should work on math more then they do other classes, while I do think children should recieve a somewhat well rounded amount of education. I think that allowing kids to specialize more we'll enable them to thrive at subjects they are talented in
4- It'd cost less, sure it may seem that buying all the computers to get this type of system would be a huge initial investment, but it would pay off in the long run. in almost every industry labor is the #1 cost. if we eleminate most the teachers, we can A- afford to pay the teachers left what they deserve and B- save money
I just think a systme like this could really be good. this is a very rough draft of the idea, I'm hoping to recieve some input to help refine it into a better idea and picture of how this kind of system could or could not work.
Basically you go into a Gaint LAN center with 500+ computers (or however many students you want to have) the students come in and are presented with the information they need to learn, they sit at their cubical and study hard and when they learn what they need to they pass a test to prove they've learned it... now Computers would be losely monitered and simple filters put into place to prevent students wasting time with things like porn and learning how to make bombs and stuff.
we could minimize the large work force we have of teachers and turn it into a couple counslers that supply text support from online and perhaps a Admin in the LAN center to keep things going, things like P.E. Band Choir and other stuff could be executed in a more traditional matter that way we don't loose all sense of humanity.
I think a system like this if worked out well would work well for many reasons
1- It'd seperate the hard workers from the slackers, sure its one thing to get A's in school when teachers spoon feed you anwsers. its another to see what kids know what it takes to work hard and succceed
2- Kids could progress at their own pace... perhaps to make a NS reffrence I'd give the idea of a "Tech Tree" in which once completing the one thing you move on to the next, perhaps we could have subjects like , Math, English, Computers, ETC.
3- It'd Enable kids to specialize more. reffering to the Tech tree idea I'd suggest that kids that are great at math should work on math more then they do other classes, while I do think children should recieve a somewhat well rounded amount of education. I think that allowing kids to specialize more we'll enable them to thrive at subjects they are talented in
4- It'd cost less, sure it may seem that buying all the computers to get this type of system would be a huge initial investment, but it would pay off in the long run. in almost every industry labor is the #1 cost. if we eleminate most the teachers, we can A- afford to pay the teachers left what they deserve and B- save money
I just think a systme like this could really be good. this is a very rough draft of the idea, I'm hoping to recieve some input to help refine it into a better idea and picture of how this kind of system could or could not work.
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I'm not even going to back up my ideas, for even the thought have not having a teacher there to help sends shivers down my back. Instead of people not paying attention during class, we won't have any classes and the general populace shall be even more stupid then it is now.
Oh yes, welcome to the discussion forums my young apprentice.
I believe only during extreme trials are the true "diamonds" of society produced under the intense heat and pressure of trials.
the term "no child left behind" really only leaves EVERY child a litle bit behind.
why not let the smart kids thrive and make it easier for people to measure how smart people are? and the not so smart kids would get medium paying jobs and live decent middle class life's
and were not getting rid of all teachers. were just cutting down on them, why have 30 teachers in 30 diffrent classes rooms all teach about the same War? why not have 1 teacher teach every kid in school that one war? why not use telecomunacations to give lecutures?
and you ask , "well what about math?" why not let advanced students act as tutors to younger studnets, after all we all know that you learn more when you teach something then when you just learn it.
this kind of program is more possible then you might suspect
BTW congrats on your 1337 post
This is an awful idea. It's closer to manufacturing kids than it is to teaching them.
"teacher student dialog" what is the use of that? if you want to build teamwork and stuff make assignments that do so, that require organizing group endevors to complete certain tasks, and as for social growth thats what after school hours could be.
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Somewhere on this forum there is a very angry English teacher...
I don't dislike teachers, I just think they are wasting their time and the whole education system needs to be reworked. for our informational day in age
Besides, they are paid decently when experienced, and usually enjoy their job, and I dont know about the rest of you, but i learn very inefficiently from programs and textbooks, its really the discussion with the people who know more than you (teachers) that makes me understand half the classes I take.
this is a very pesimistic crowd. and I don't know what rose tinted glasses you look threw when you go to school but here's what I see
I see teachers who are retarded and terrible at presenting information but because they are in a teachers union they have taught for 50 years
I see a career field that is horrible underpaid, thus any people that are ambituous or want to be well off in life avoid... with this system you could get BETTER teachers
I see out of date text books, computers can be udated and edited to be made more correct and informed
I see a lot of problems with the current school system that none of you have adressed in the slightest and since none of you have a better idea I can only assume that my idea is the best out there
imagination are killed in the process.
we're not robots.
end of discussion.
(heck, why dont we upload knowledge to our brain, that'd be faster and cheaper eh <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> )
Besides, they are paid decently when experienced, and usually enjoy their job, and I dont know about the rest of you, but i learn very inefficiently from programs and textbooks, its really the discussion with the people who know more than you (teachers) that makes me understand half the classes I take. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes, because colledge graduates could do nothing in today's world besides teach
you want to learn from interaction, simple, online forums, chat rooms, more advanced students can tutor you , teachers will still lecture it will just be broadcast to all the schools.
imagination are killed in the process.
we're not robots.
end of discussion.
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I'm not suggesting we be robots, if anything this will make kids LESS robotic.
I go to school and am forced to take classes I have no interest in, in this system students can specialize in what they see fit. teachers don't pick and choose what they learn, the kids seek out information and study it themselves, this system enables the student to customize thier education, unlike the cookie cutter shape system we have in place today
Learning is about more than facts, it's also about interaction and dialogue.
I don't like this idea.
If parents decide that they want their kids to be homeschooled then that's fine but to force this kind of education on everyone is just plain silly. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
~ DarkATi
i mean, this way yah kids get what they want, but what's going to become of them once they get outta "school"
society works with ppl fit like cogs of the clock work, we learn to interact with other people in school, i mean, yah i know that slackers wont affect hard wrokers that much, but when they need to work together, they cant, because they have never done that before
i think school newadays are trying to provide as much program as they can, cant you choose classes in high school?
What is the objective of school? To teach children to live in todays world. Thats more than dealing with raw data, and more than just socializing. Primarily, I would say, its learning to live and thrive in a world populated by a truly horrifying thing: Other people.
Weeding out the less intelligent, and less motivated? Absolutely counter-productive. The idea of education is to improve the capacity for productivity for the entire society. In this scenario, the capacity of the intelligent and motivated would <b>at best</b> stay the same, while the <b>average</b> capacity would drop tremendously.
It may feel like school is worthless to you, at the moment. Suck it up and Graduate already. You might be surprised at what you actually take away from the experience.
That's a great idea. We'd completely destroy the social and economic structure of the country, within a single generation.
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If we were optimistic then we'd be looking through rose tinted glasses. I think you're confused.
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That's a problem with teachers' unions, not with the concept of having teachers.
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With this system you wouldn't have more than a few teachers. You wouldn't get better teachers, you'd just fire the worst 90% of the teachers. That's until they quit, out of frusturation, of course.
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Schools have out of date textbooks because they are underfunded. Computers malfunction and go out of date faster than textbooks. Plus, they're more expensive to maintain, upgrade, and replace.
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Wow. This is one of the least cogent arguments that I've seen in a while.
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How are you supposed to have useful forums and chat rooms, if there isn't a knowledgable person to lead the discussions? FYI, students don't learn well from being lectured to, they learn well from talking about a subject.
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I'm all for giving students a choice of classes. They still need to learn science, English, mathematics, and history, however. Plus, I don't see why choice can't be added into the system as it is now. We don't need to adopt your system to have choice.
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-QFT.
Are there problems in schools? Yes. Is removing Teachers the solution? Definately not. I had a horrible time all the way from elementary to high school, and yet, Im training to go back, as a teacher. Not because I want to destroy childrens lives, but because I want to see that they dont have to go through the same crap I went through.
I would say more, but I like to post in the discussion forums. Teehee.
If anything the schools need more teachers and more tech schools. I doubt it's an issue up north but down here in Florida we have like 3 tech schools in the entire state. Not everyone once to work in a damned cubicle or go straight to college but that's what they force feed down your throat.
Without teachers watching the students at all times things start to go down hill real fast.
today's society is too problamatic anyways, capitalism rewards all the wrong qualities, it promotes looking out for yourself and being selfish, and if your smart enough to beat down everyone else you will prevail. and today's education only stronger inforces that idea. look at grading on a curve, that promotes not being smart , but being smarter then the average person. our education system breeds "individuals" that look out for themselves and no one else.
but if you people want to continue enslaving smart intellegent teachers into under paid jobs, then be my guests.
if you want to keep our education falling behind Japan then go ahead. I don't know if your aware of this but US children are ranking the same as Italy, our Japaneese counter parts are passing us up. the cold war may have ended with the collasp of the Soviet Union. but we are still very much competing with other nations. and right now we have a system that is terrible. a system that turns out failures. this is the system that is leading our problems in the world. and you guys are just going to say "oh well, its the best we got".
Hurray for terrible public school education!!!! hurray!
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thats a terrible arguement, look at austrialia, they didn't have great britin watching them, and they turned out ok.
I never said no supervision, of course every LAN center would need Technicians and a few other admin people. that could keep the paece enough.
That, and everyone needs a teacher at least to start out with. Absolutely no computer teachers until at least 7th grade.
Still, I tend to agree that our current education system is messed up, I'm just not quite sure how to fix it. There's probably at least a little merit in your suggestion, if it was implemented correctly.
as for kids not understanding. since when is a teacher the only source of information!? when I don't understand something in math, I don't ask the teacher most times, I ask the kid next to me if he gets it, and more times then not, he does, and I can learn from him.
this system would promote older smarter students "teaching" younger students, and classmates and peers looking to each other for help instead of just waiting for teachers to spoon feed them knowledge.
if anything this would improve kid's abilities to work one with another, it would improve leadership among kids who teach younger kids. not hurt them
lets look at those super smart kids that allways get alienated from the rest of the class, but turn to the teacher for everything. those kids would be forced to turn to their peers and I believe they would learn to get along and things would be better because of it.
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well that makes one person
You can't ever ask a computer a question about anything and get one 100% valid answer, because *gasp* it can't think for itself. It can only tell you what its programmers told it to say.
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thats a terrible arguement, look at austrialia, they didn't have great britin watching them, and they turned out ok. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now I'm convinced you're just trolling.
You can't ever ask a computer a question about anything and get one 100% valid answer, because *gasp* it can't think for itself. It can only tell you what its programmers told it to say. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
well lets look how flawd our system is, if you ask the teacher he/she can be wrong *gasp!* I've had more retarded teachers then I could wave a stick at
My US history teacher claims that the eygptians used flutes to make the pryomids because the sound ways transformed the sandstone from rock to gas and then rock again.....
look at Wikipedia.org its the greatest encyclopeida in the world, in a few more years it will be 10X better then it already is, in today's world... everyone can be a teacher, knowledge can free flow thoughts and ideas can be exchanged, we don't need to designate an underpaid class of people to designate them as "teachers" when everyone has knowledge they can teach and pass on. all we need now is a system that harnesses all that knowledge, and todays education system doesn't do that.
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thats a terrible arguement, look at austrialia, they didn't have great britin watching them, and they turned out ok. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Now I'm convinced you're just trolling. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
whats your problem with austrailia? are they a second class race that we can't make reffrences to?