I dunno, I get a pretty good helping of NS on our [On|E] clan server, since CO brings in the players, and then when the round is over we have enough players to change to an NS map. NS maps last for about 2, 3, or even 4 rotations, so we use CO to kill time, have fun, screw around, and build up a player populace.
<!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+May 1 2005, 05:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ May 1 2005, 05:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Apr 30 2005, 11:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Apr 30 2005, 11:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+Apr 30 2005, 04:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ Apr 30 2005, 04:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> wow, the ignorance is strong with this one <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you think putting someone in a commander chair and saying "here - go command your team and hope they listen to you" is a good way for NS to promote teamwork? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, what i was referring to is the natural selection is a TEAMPLAY game and is not hindered by teamwork. You said that its a deathmatch game and is hindered by teamwork as such.
Your quote:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NS is a deathmatch game that is hindered by teamplayer requirements and untill the dev team fixs this, NS will always suck.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> YES! This is my point. You cannot have a game that is <i>so</i> teamwork heavy and have no real interface within the game that promotes teamwork. NS requires the up most of teamwork for the marines to win, and all they have in a commander who just sits there and screams at people to do things?
Becuase the commander cannot really guide his pub team, it turns into a deathmatch that is hindered by the fact that the commander has to drop weapons.
If you want to know what I mean by an "interface promoting teamwork" look at <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=79263&st=0&hl=' target='_blank'>this</a>. Of course, the suggestion I linked to (or anything that is similar) will never happen.
Waypoints + talking to your team has always been enough to promote teamwork in relatively competent marine teams. The only teams that doesn't work for are teams that wouldn't utilize teamwork even if you could physically slap them around.
Honestly, I don't know where you guys are playing, but my NS experience is just as good now as it ever was. It's not as atmospheric as it was when I was just starting, but the server quality/quantity has not changed for me at all. If I wanted to join an Classic game, I could go and do so right now. So for me, NS is healthy and fun.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If I wanted to join an Classic game, I could go and do so right now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I sure wish i lived where you live, just the other night I searched in vain for a classic game for 2 hours, granted it was 2:30 AM PST, But I remember before 3.0 beta was made available and combat servers were hogging the latenight players I could get into at least 3-6 games with good ping 24 hours a day. Not anymore. My choice is play CO or sit by myself on a ns server and hope someone wants to play a game of 1 on 1.
What adds insult to injury is that here in Portland im on a major fiberoptic backbone. Most of these times of night I get almost 200 servers at 100 ping or lower and still cant get a damn Classic game of NS, so I sit there and curse the players on the CO servers I have yet to do a search and not see 5 or more co servers with great pings in the middle of the night.
I dont like co, only reason I play it so much is cause of the 'extra upgrade' plugins, which are kinda fun for awhile. I hate co with a passion, 1.04 was as good as ns ever got. Only fun thing to do in ns anymore is to build OC walls with gorges, but some lame **** with a gl always ruins that.
Custom mods are fun on ns servers, but usually all the custom servers run are dumb **** siege maps (FFS can you DO SOMETHING BESIDES MAKE 5 ROOMS MADE OF PURE BOXES WITH DOORS? Jeez) or 'ololol our plugins are teh rox' titles, but you go in they have the same stupid bot, lerklift, and some stupid plugin that just makes the game even stupider. Seems like sven-coop to me. I dont see why people just dont make cool plugins like the extra upgrades for co <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Fangs+May 1 2005, 04:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fangs @ May 1 2005, 04:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If I wanted to join an Classic game, I could go and do so right now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I sure wish i lived where you live, just the other night I searched in vain for a classic game for 2 hours, granted it was 2:30 AM PST, But I remember before 3.0 beta was made available and combat servers were hogging the latenight players I could get into at least 3-6 games with good ping 24 hours a day. Not anymore. My choice is play CO or sit by myself on a ns server and hope someone wants to play a game of 1 on 1.
What adds insult to injury is that here in Portland im on a major fiberoptic backbone. Most of these times of night I get almost 200 servers at 100 ping or lower and still cant get a damn Classic game of NS, so I sit there and curse the players on the CO servers I have yet to do a search and not see 5 or more co servers with great pings in the middle of the night. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> LM was up late last night. True every once in a while it is hard to find a good classic game after 2:00 AM PST. but usually it isn't that hard.
<!--QuoteBegin-Fangs+May 1 2005, 04:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fangs @ May 1 2005, 04:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If I wanted to join an Classic game, I could go and do so right now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I sure wish i lived where you live, just the other night I searched in vain for a classic game for 2 hours, granted it was 2:30 AM PST, But I remember before 3.0 beta was made available and combat servers were hogging the latenight players I could get into at least 3-6 games with good ping 24 hours a day. Not anymore. My choice is play CO or sit by myself on a ns server and hope someone wants to play a game of 1 on 1.
What adds insult to injury is that here in Portland im on a major fiberoptic backbone. Most of these times of night I get almost 200 servers at 100 ping or lower and still cant get a damn Classic game of NS, so I sit there and curse the players on the CO servers I have yet to do a search and not see 5 or more co servers with great pings in the middle of the night. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I live in NJ....but I get pings under 100 on European servers quite often, so my location really doesn't matter. Of course, being in high school I don't try to play games at 2:30 in the morning....much <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Yeah, I never have any problems playing. Only a couple of servers have lag issues, but for the most part both NS and CO map servers are ok. I just dont like the NS because we never seem to get a good com.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sizer+May 1 2005, 09:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sizer @ May 1 2005, 09:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>First post is pretty much on the money.</b> NSA is the only NS server I can find that is under 200 ping (according to my location)
The rest are:
~ Co_ servers, of which many are infested with cheaters fresh from CS, and operated by kids who think running Kazaa or BT on the same server is swell.
~ Custom servers run by idiots, for idiots. Some of the worst gaming communities ever can be found in the custom map servers.
~ Botted or empty. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wait, let me get this all right. Fangs hops on the forums for a game that is supposedly dead and throws a temper tantrum because things aren't going his way, which then results in 13 pages of forum space being wasted and he is right on the money? Wow, and you're blaming CO for attracting players with a CS mentality?
<!--QuoteBegin-RBS+May 2 2005, 11:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RBS @ May 2 2005, 11:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 13 pages of forum space being wasted and he is right on the money? Wow, and you're blaming CO for attracting players with a CS mentality? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> welcome to the internet. Its safer here.
<!--QuoteBegin-Supernorn+May 2 2005, 06:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Supernorn @ May 2 2005, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-RBS+May 2 2005, 11:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RBS @ May 2 2005, 11:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 13 pages of forum space being wasted and he is right on the money? Wow, and you're blaming CO for attracting players with a CS mentality? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> welcome to the internet. Its safer here. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Until, of course, the advent of face-stabbing via monitor. Then it'll turn into a very very dangerous place.
<!--QuoteBegin-Fantasmo+Apr 27 2005, 09:40 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fantasmo @ Apr 27 2005, 09:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The hardest part for me to swallow about CO was that Flay and the Dev team swore up and down CO was a introduction of some of the basic concepts behind NS and a "primer" of sorts to bring people into NS. Well CO has been out a long time now and other them cosmetic and weapon/upgrade similarities learning CO and learning NS are two different things. Maybe that is just my opinion but all the core elements that make NS Classic great are missing from CO. CO is a shooter plain and simple. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> exactly.
I must say, I have to agree with all those who think that CO should be separated completely from NS (it can be scrapped completely... I wouldn't mind).
I got into this game because I never played a game that needed this much attention and concentration and REAL strategy! I suck at aiming (it's not as bad today as it used to be, but still), but this was a game where this didn't even matter that much! I could have fun and tension and I was immersed totally and didn't even have to shoot boring hours of gameplay away.
Since CO is here, there's just this strange mentality about the whole concept of the game: Newcomers who don't get ANYTHING about NS classic... NOTHING!
CO is NOT a way to introduce new players, imho, it's a primitive, boring kind of shooter game that has nothing to do with NS.
Hell, I even liked the games that lasted 2 hours straight! Never had that much fun playing a game as then! Nowadays it's over in 20-30 minutes mostly... it isn't even possible to immerse really into it!
<!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+May 1 2005, 10:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ May 1 2005, 10:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> YES! This is my point. You cannot have a game that is <i>so</i> teamwork heavy and have no real interface within the game that promotes teamwork. NS requires the up most of teamwork for the marines to win, and all they have in a commander who just sits there and screams at people to do things?
Becuase the commander cannot really guide his pub team, it turns into a deathmatch that is hindered by the fact that the commander has to drop weapons. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I have not seen alot of that on the pub play. new commanders yes but they can be taught. We have welcomed new commaders who stated so to hop in and give it a try. the regs would give as much guidence as they could about what should and shouldent be done and let them get the game on. usually doesnt turn out to bad. you win some you loose some but thats how a game works. If there is no community support and rules for the new commanders then i can see it getting ugly. That is why I also said the community is part of the problem to. If the vets refuse to help the noobs then it wont go any where good.
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This may sound odd, but it just be that NS isn't as popular as it used to be, I mean come on look at the other cool games that are out. I think many are hooked on mmorpgs I know i am. Plus this is HL1.
Sorry but if ns is dieing which aint it is because most of you are so negative. So what if not as many play classic as they do co all you gotta do is polite and ween them to classic which is what i am trying to do on my server and so far its going oki.
last night for example i found that 70% of my server didn't know how to play classic ns properly <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Sooo... i forced the server to play 4 straight hours of ns classic and it worked out alright we got a 2hr ns_lost round out of it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
NS is far from dieing as a game.
But if the negative ns classic lovers don't be polite to new comers then classic will die.
Fangs, this is the quote to slay your pointless topic.
<!--QuoteBegin-Flayra+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flayra)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Contrary to what the naysayers like to spout, NS is not dying and probably never will be.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
By the man himself.
Who do you think I'm going to believe, you or Flayra?
<!--QuoteBegin-Yash+May 4 2005, 02:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Yash @ May 4 2005, 02:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Fangs, this is the quote to slay your pointless topic.
<!--QuoteBegin-Flayra+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flayra)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Contrary to what the naysayers like to spout, NS is not dying and probably never will be.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
By the man himself.
Who do you think I'm going to believe, you or Flayra? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i'm with fangs on this one......sorry.
Ns was fine up until the last beta and it came just at the same time as WoW did, which imo is really bad timing. Most of the experienced players are gone and the only thing that's left is cs noobs <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
This game is gonna die sooner or later. But isn't that just like all games? At first it seems really cool and everything. After a while though, it gets boring, repetetive, and pointless to play.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+May 5 2005, 12:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ May 5 2005, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Changed the title to reflect the thread's content. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think "Click here for Internet Drama" would more accurately reflect the contents Nem0.
Well ... CO isnt that bad afterall when u can get all the upgrades and crap... its fun when u play alot of ns maps in one day.. but after 1 or 2 games of co.. now that just sucks.. and co is all about owning .. if u own then u can talk **** to them <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
CO is doing what it was designed to do... suck more people in...
Now its the veterans job to teach the young and the new how to play... so later on when we become old and wrinkley theese CS maniacks will be the Veterans... and if we go doing stuff like this bashing them and what drawn them in... what example are we setting...
If a nub commander is in the chair I dont eject... i say lets see if it works if not... well... better luck next time and he knows how to comm better...
It's all in the attitude you have twoards something... If a server has a ton of serious people I wouldnt be screaming "WOOT OMG t3h L0RK!!!"... and same with the attitude twards CO...
Lets treat CO as the sandbox... and in that case its our job to take everyone and put them on the swings and make sure they stay on them...
There is nothing better then seeing a NSplayer you tought come back and win a round as a com... (It happned before to Me) and so it should atleast to one person on theese forums...
<!--QuoteBegin-Shinzon+May 4 2005, 07:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shinzon @ May 4 2005, 07:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> CO is doing what it was designed to do... suck more people in...
Now its the veterans job to teach the young and the new how to play... so later on when we become old and wrinkley theese CS maniacks will be the Veterans... and if we go doing stuff like this bashing them and what drawn them in... what example are we setting...
If a nub commander is in the chair I dont eject... i say lets see if it works if not... well... better luck next time and he knows how to comm better...
It's all in the attitude you have twoards something... If a server has a ton of serious people I wouldnt be screaming "WOOT OMG t3h L0RK!!!"... and same with the attitude twards CO...
Lets treat CO as the sandbox... and in that case its our job to take everyone and put them on the swings and make sure they stay on them...
There is nothing better then seeing a NSplayer you tought come back and win a round as a com... (It happned before to Me) and so it should atleast to one person on theese forums... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Agreed. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Hmm.. i just looked at the screenshots fangs has updated in his 1st post and according to them there were more ppl playing ns than co at that time <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And yet you still say ns is dieing.
Let me tell u this i do get a lil annoyed when ppl play siege and co constantly and don't know how to play classic ns properly which is why as of late ive been forcing atleast 4 maps in a row of classic ns so they can get used to it and funnily enough they all stayed on for them and we got a 2hr game on ns_lost out of it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
NS is far from dieing you just think it is because you are so anti CO that you can't see past your own 2 eyes.
Just accept it CO is here and its gonna stay here just like SIEGE maps (even though the devs dont make siege it will still stay).
Why? Because only the minority of ns classic only players are complaining. Just because co is new and you haven't played enough decent games of it to make you see how fun co can be...
You CO haters just don't like CO because:
1. You get OWNED in it
2. You hate "noobs" and don't wana help them learn
3. You can't handle the speed
I know this don't apply to alot of you but these are the main reasons i have been given by quite a few CO haters.
Please it is just quite simple if you spent the time you spend here complaining about howm much u hate CO on and ns only server there would be more fuller ns only servers.
Thats how it looks anyway.
Tbh there has been so many "I hate Co" Threads that i could fill pages with the numbers of them.
If there is a "I hate CO" thread about just re-post in it to bring it back to life don't waste time making a new thread....
In all honesty ive seen sooo many of these threads since i have been here i am quite supprised that the moderators don't ban/lock/delete them on site. If i saw the same thread repeated on my forums as many times as this i would do 1 of the 2 lock/delete on site.
These threads are so many and all come to the same thing "I hate CO". You lock the new bug threads when they are repeated so why not these?
i would really like to know the answer to that tbh!
Why lock repeated bug threads, but not lock repeated "I hate CO" threads?
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So you think putting someone in a commander chair and saying "here - go command your team and hope they listen to you" is a good way for NS to promote teamwork? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, what i was referring to is the natural selection is a TEAMPLAY game and is not hindered by teamwork. You said that its a deathmatch game and is hindered by teamwork as such.
Your quote:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->NS is a deathmatch game that is hindered by teamplayer requirements and untill the dev team fixs this, NS will always suck.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
YES! This is my point. You cannot have a game that is <i>so</i> teamwork heavy and have no real interface within the game that promotes teamwork. NS requires the up most of teamwork for the marines to win, and all they have in a commander who just sits there and screams at people to do things?
Becuase the commander cannot really guide his pub team, it turns into a deathmatch that is hindered by the fact that the commander has to drop weapons.
If you want to know what I mean by an "interface promoting teamwork" look at <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=79263&st=0&hl=' target='_blank'>this</a>. Of course, the suggestion I linked to (or anything that is similar) will never happen.
Honestly, I don't know where you guys are playing, but my NS experience is just as good now as it ever was. It's not as atmospheric as it was when I was just starting, but the server quality/quantity has not changed for me at all. If I wanted to join an Classic game, I could go and do so right now. So for me, NS is healthy and fun.
I sure wish i lived where you live, just the other night I searched in vain for a classic game for 2 hours, granted it was 2:30 AM PST, But I remember before 3.0 beta was made available and combat servers were hogging the latenight players I could get into at least 3-6 games with good ping 24 hours a day. Not anymore. My choice is play CO or sit by myself on a ns server and hope someone wants to play a game of 1 on 1.
What adds insult to injury is that here in Portland im on a major fiberoptic backbone. Most of these times of night I get almost 200 servers at 100 ping or lower and still cant get a damn Classic game of NS, so I sit there and curse the players on the CO servers I have yet to do a search and not see 5 or more co servers with great pings in the middle of the night.
Custom mods are fun on ns servers, but usually all the custom servers run are dumb **** siege maps (FFS can you DO SOMETHING BESIDES MAKE 5 ROOMS MADE OF PURE BOXES WITH DOORS? Jeez) or 'ololol our plugins are teh rox' titles, but you go in they have the same stupid bot, lerklift, and some stupid plugin that just makes the game even stupider. Seems like sven-coop to me. I dont see why people just dont make cool plugins like the extra upgrades for co <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I sure wish i lived where you live, just the other night I searched in vain for a classic game for 2 hours, granted it was 2:30 AM PST, But I remember before 3.0 beta was made available and combat servers were hogging the latenight players I could get into at least 3-6 games with good ping 24 hours a day. Not anymore. My choice is play CO or sit by myself on a ns server and hope someone wants to play a game of 1 on 1.
What adds insult to injury is that here in Portland im on a major fiberoptic backbone. Most of these times of night I get almost 200 servers at 100 ping or lower and still cant get a damn Classic game of NS, so I sit there and curse the players on the CO servers I have yet to do a search and not see 5 or more co servers with great pings in the middle of the night. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
LM was up late last night. True every once in a while it is hard to find a good classic game after 2:00 AM PST. but usually it isn't that hard.
I sure wish i lived where you live, just the other night I searched in vain for a classic game for 2 hours, granted it was 2:30 AM PST, But I remember before 3.0 beta was made available and combat servers were hogging the latenight players I could get into at least 3-6 games with good ping 24 hours a day. Not anymore. My choice is play CO or sit by myself on a ns server and hope someone wants to play a game of 1 on 1.
What adds insult to injury is that here in Portland im on a major fiberoptic backbone. Most of these times of night I get almost 200 servers at 100 ping or lower and still cant get a damn Classic game of NS, so I sit there and curse the players on the CO servers I have yet to do a search and not see 5 or more co servers with great pings in the middle of the night. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I live in NJ....but I get pings under 100 on European servers quite often, so my location really doesn't matter. Of course, being in high school I don't try to play games at 2:30 in the morning....much <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
when i get gorgerush back up, the first thing i will do is:
cd maps
del co_*.bsp
The rest are:
~ Co_ servers, of which many are infested with cheaters fresh from CS, and operated by kids who think running Kazaa or BT on the same server is swell.
~ Custom servers run by idiots, for idiots. Some of the worst gaming communities ever can be found in the custom map servers.
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Wait, let me get this all right. Fangs hops on the forums for a game that is supposedly dead and throws a temper tantrum because things aren't going his way, which then results in 13 pages of forum space being wasted and he is right on the money? Wow, and you're blaming CO for attracting players with a CS mentality?
welcome to the internet. Its safer here.
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Until, of course, the advent of face-stabbing via monitor. Then it'll turn into a very very dangerous place.
exactly.
I must say, I have to agree with all those who think that CO should be separated completely from NS (it can be scrapped completely... I wouldn't mind).
I got into this game because I never played a game that needed this much attention and concentration and REAL strategy! I suck at aiming (it's not as bad today as it used to be, but still), but this was a game where this didn't even matter that much! I could have fun and tension and I was immersed totally and didn't even have to shoot boring hours of gameplay away.
Since CO is here, there's just this strange mentality about the whole concept of the game: Newcomers who don't get ANYTHING about NS classic... NOTHING!
CO is NOT a way to introduce new players, imho, it's a primitive, boring kind of shooter game that has nothing to do with NS.
Hell, I even liked the games that lasted 2 hours straight! Never had that much fun playing a game as then! Nowadays it's over in 20-30 minutes mostly... it isn't even possible to immerse really into it!
Becuase the commander cannot really guide his pub team, it turns into a deathmatch that is hindered by the fact that the commander has to drop weapons.
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I have not seen alot of that on the pub play. new commanders yes but they can be taught. We have welcomed new commaders who stated so to hop in and give it a try. the regs would give as much guidence as they could about what should and shouldent be done and let them get the game on. usually doesnt turn out to bad. you win some you loose some but thats how a game works. If there is no community support and rules for the new commanders then i can see it getting ugly. That is why I also said the community is part of the problem to. If the vets refuse to help the noobs then it wont go any where good.
HL1 damn you!!! its old enough to be your son!!
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last night for example i found that 70% of my server didn't know how to play classic ns properly <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Sooo... i forced the server to play 4 straight hours of ns classic and it worked out alright we got a 2hr ns_lost round out of it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
NS is far from dieing as a game.
But if the negative ns classic lovers don't be polite to new comers then classic will die.
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By the man himself.
Who do you think I'm going to believe, you or Flayra?
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By the man himself.
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i'm with fangs on this one......sorry.
Ns was fine up until the last beta and it came just at the same time as WoW did, which imo is really bad timing. Most of the experienced players are gone and the only thing that's left is cs noobs <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
This game is gonna die sooner or later. But isn't that just like all games? At first it seems really cool and everything. After a while though, it gets boring, repetetive, and pointless to play.
I think "Click here for Internet Drama" would more accurately reflect the contents Nem0.
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Now its the veterans job to teach the young and the new how to play... so later on when we become old and wrinkley theese CS maniacks will be the Veterans... and if we go doing stuff like this bashing them and what drawn them in... what example are we setting...
If a nub commander is in the chair I dont eject... i say lets see if it works if not... well... better luck next time and he knows how to comm better...
It's all in the attitude you have twoards something... If a server has a ton of serious people I wouldnt be screaming "WOOT OMG t3h L0RK!!!"... and same with the attitude twards CO...
Lets treat CO as the sandbox... and in that case its our job to take everyone and put them on the swings and make sure they stay on them...
There is nothing better then seeing a NSplayer you tought come back and win a round as a com... (It happned before to Me) and so it should atleast to one person on theese forums...
Now its the veterans job to teach the young and the new how to play... so later on when we become old and wrinkley theese CS maniacks will be the Veterans... and if we go doing stuff like this bashing them and what drawn them in... what example are we setting...
If a nub commander is in the chair I dont eject... i say lets see if it works if not... well... better luck next time and he knows how to comm better...
It's all in the attitude you have twoards something... If a server has a ton of serious people I wouldnt be screaming "WOOT OMG t3h L0RK!!!"... and same with the attitude twards CO...
Lets treat CO as the sandbox... and in that case its our job to take everyone and put them on the swings and make sure they stay on them...
There is nothing better then seeing a NSplayer you tought come back and win a round as a com... (It happned before to Me) and so it should atleast to one person on theese forums... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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And yet you still say ns is dieing.
Let me tell u this i do get a lil annoyed when ppl play siege and co constantly and don't know how to play classic ns properly which is why as of late ive been forcing atleast 4 maps in a row of classic ns so they can get used to it and funnily enough they all stayed on for them and we got a 2hr game on ns_lost out of it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
NS is far from dieing you just think it is because you are so anti CO that you can't see past your own 2 eyes.
Just accept it CO is here and its gonna stay here just like SIEGE maps (even though the devs dont make siege it will still stay).
Why? Because only the minority of ns classic only players are complaining. Just because co is new and you haven't played enough decent games of it to make you see how fun co can be...
You CO haters just don't like CO because:
1. You get OWNED in it
2. You hate "noobs" and don't wana help them learn
3. You can't handle the speed
I know this don't apply to alot of you but these are the main reasons i have been given by quite a few CO haters.
Please it is just quite simple if you spent the time you spend here complaining about howm much u hate CO on and ns only server there would be more fuller ns only servers.
Thats how it looks anyway.
Tbh there has been so many "I hate Co" Threads that i could fill pages with the numbers of them.
If there is a "I hate CO" thread about just re-post in it to bring it back to life don't waste time making a new thread....
In all honesty ive seen sooo many of these threads since i have been here i am quite supprised that the moderators don't ban/lock/delete them on site. If i saw the same thread repeated on my forums as many times as this i would do 1 of the 2 lock/delete on site.
These threads are so many and all come to the same thing "I hate CO". You lock the new bug threads when they are repeated so why not these?
i would really like to know the answer to that tbh!
Why lock repeated bug threads, but not lock repeated "I hate CO" threads?