<!--QuoteBegin-Roberto+Apr 17 2005, 11:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roberto @ Apr 17 2005, 11:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I have an idea, if you don't like the scoreboard, unbind tab and let the rest of us have our fun with the current, working system. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Apparently you missed the point. They are complaining because it affects how other people on the server play.
<!--QuoteBegin-daidalos+Apr 17 2005, 09:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (daidalos @ Apr 17 2005, 09:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I only play since 2.0, and if I remember right, you had a scoreboard, but the score, the kills and the deaths weren't shown.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What the hell was on the scoreboard then?
And if you think it's handled incorrectly in pubs, play some scrims. Aliens get points just for being alive. After 15 minutes into the game the aliens have like 1000 points pulled righted out of their ****.
<!--QuoteBegin-Flounder+Apr 18 2005, 12:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Flounder @ Apr 18 2005, 12:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-daidalos+Apr 17 2005, 09:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (daidalos @ Apr 17 2005, 09:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I only play since 2.0, and if I remember right, you had a scoreboard, but the score, the kills and the deaths weren't shown.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What the hell was on the scoreboard then?
And if you think it's handled incorrectly in pubs, play some scrims. Aliens get points just for being alive. After 15 minutes into the game the aliens have like 1000 points pulled righted out of their ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> And in scrims, no one cares about points, so it's a moot point for this conversation.
Somewhere, burried under a year+ of posts the rationale for Commanders getting the points for built Marine Structures was given. Essentially it was done this way so the Commander was (normally) listed as the top player on the Marine side of the scoreboard. Is there another way to accomplish this? Probably, but this system works, and I personally haven't seen lots of problems with getting Marines to build, especially compared to what it was like in the 1.0x days.
Will taking k:d off the scoreboard keep me from ramboing off to kill the early gorges and res? Will taking k:d off the scoreboard keep me from stting in a hall and distracting the alien team so the rest of the marines have fewer skulks to worry about? Will taking k:d off the scoreboard keep me from knifing the hive rt while killing anyone who comes into the hive?
Rambos can help the team, that's why the majority of commanders are grateful to have someone on their team who can kill and doesn't need specific orders. If they don't like it, they don't med/ammo.
<!--QuoteBegin-JazzX+Apr 18 2005, 03:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JazzX @ Apr 18 2005, 03:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Somewhere, burried under a year+ of posts the rationale for Commanders getting the points for built Marine Structures was given. Essentially it was done this way so the Commander was (normally) listed as the top player on the Marine side of the scoreboard. Is there another way to accomplish this? Probably, but this system works, and I personally haven't seen lots of problems with getting Marines to build, especially compared to what it was like in the 1.0x days.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So why should the commander be on the top of the scoreboard? Is it only for the "looks"?
Its all about the kill:death ratio!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I do, but maby I'm the only one. We could make more people look at the score by making the score more usefull.
People rambo because they are Civilians that do what they want, not Soldiers that do what they are told. You don't just throw people into an Army and expect them to follow orders. They have to be "broken down and rebuilt" in Basic Training before they will do that.
<!--QuoteBegin-Roberto+Apr 18 2005, 04:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roberto @ Apr 18 2005, 04:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The commander is at the top so the other team can see who is commanding... at least that's how I use it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> :s He's the big cheese. Most important role, ergo, most important position.
There's no situation where a comm who is doing is job properly will fall into second place. That's mad. If he sits there and builds nothing, then yes, but otherwise, no.
Adding more maths into petty things like scoreboard calculations will lag the server; there's no need for it, so keep it as it is.
<!--QuoteBegin-Eruyomo+Apr 17 2005, 05:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Eruyomo @ Apr 17 2005, 05:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why are the commander getting score for buildings? If marines got score for building, it would encourage marines to build. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Imho commander should gain only 1 point for some structures. Nothing for turrets for example. marines should get 1 points when build a structure. Score is not balanced now.
The scoreboard should not display score or k:d ratio.
As for the rambo guy maybe one rambo is good but what if the entire team does that huh you just gonna not med and wait for your team to all die then watch your spawn get camped. most ppl cant camp a hive I doubt even you can do it and acomplish anything. If you instead has moved out with a person you could kill the gorges camp the hive set up a tf and win the game, as aposed to you camping th hive running out of ammo and dieing gg.
The scoreboard should not display score or k:d ratio. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh....wth is it supposed to be used for, then? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Tell you who is dead, who is alive, who is ha, who is jp, who is fade, who is gorge, who is lurk, who is gestating, who is on the server, who is in ready room, who is spectating, who is on marines, who is on aliens etc. There are far more uses for the scoreboard than just score and k:d ratio. Its kinda sad the only thing you use your scoreboard for is to see how many kills you have to boost you ego, compensating perhaps?
This is a TEAM game its about working as a team you want to count your kills go play cs.
<!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 18 2005, 07:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 18 2005, 07:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is a TEAM game its about working as a team you want to count your kills go play cs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Good to see you respect everyone's play styles.
and what if *gasp* there are multiple rambos that work together? I dare say we would have a team right there.
<!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 19 2005, 12:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 19 2005, 12:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is a TEAM game its about working as a team you want to count your kills go play cs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> k.
so whats that have to do with showing k:d?
get back to me when you come up with a logical answer.
Did you even read the rest of the thread I am saying that k:d showing on the scoreboard promotes selfish play as aposed to teamwork. It leads to huge egos on server and ppl laying claim to them "winning" the round themselfs with no regard for what the rest of there team did based solely because they have a high k:d ratio <!--QuoteBegin-Roberto+Apr 18 2005, 10:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roberto @ Apr 18 2005, 10:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 18 2005, 07:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 18 2005, 07:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is a TEAM game its about working as a team you want to count your kills go play cs. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Good to see you respect everyone's play styles.
and what if *gasp* there are multiple rambos that work together? I dare say we would have a team right there. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Umm multiple ppl working together isnt ramboing its working as team.
I've read that same agurment for quite a while. It really does not make any sense. If I rambo every game in order to spawn camp, I will not stop just becuase I cannot see my score. Removing k:d is not going to make everyone play together flawlessly like most people who are for removing it think.
We get that same attatude on gp "well somethings broke but I think that all your ideas a pointless and we shouldnt even try"
You cant prove this will affect nothing, as I cant prove it will. I simply suggest we try it to see if it does help after all if it doesnt work its not going to harm anyone and can be put back into the next version, no harm done.
The idea behind this is a little flawed. You suggested that points be given to marines to incourage building. If this was a draw for marines, then it would discourage people from commanding. ( This is hypothetical by the way)
For those of you arguing to remove scores from the score board, these posts dont belong in this thread. If you think they do, take a second to think about how you can support an argument for rebalancing the redistribution of points by removing the scoreboard entirely.
<!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Apr 19 2005, 01:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Apr 19 2005, 01:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually I can prove it will affect nothing - the scoreboard was removed for marines during some X.0X release and it changed nothing. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> wrong if anything this proves me right the community and the gameplay has changed greatly since the scores were added. Im not claiming that it is due to that, at least not entirely only that what you said is so wrong its not funny.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For those of you arguing to remove scores from the score board, these posts dont belong in this thread. If you think they do, take a second to think about how you can support an argument for rebalancing the redistribution of points by removing the scoreboard entirely.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
thats silly to argue about something ppl want changed and to leave out an option. Its like you have a big chat on what should be done the devs do it then someone comes along and says but it should have been done this way and the devs wasted all that time.
I dont think you understood, at one point k:d was removed. then it was added back in. I forget the reasons, but it was pointless and made no change in gameplay. You can continue with your hopes that removing something as simple as k:d ratios will fix NS gameplay problems, but I like to live in reality land.
<!--QuoteBegin-Steel Monkey+Apr 19 2005, 01:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Steel Monkey @ Apr 19 2005, 01:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The idea behind this is a little flawed. You suggested that points be given to marines to incourage building. If this was a draw for marines, then it would discourage people from commanding. ( This is hypothetical by the way) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah if commanders only go comm to get high score or to be highest on the scoreboard, with I doubt. Infact it would help the commander to see with one is building by looking at the score compared with the kills.
Oh if this idea hasn't been suggested before could someone move it to I&S (give the builder score instead of the commander)?
When they did take the rine scoreboard away, you just got lots of people typing "status" in the console and it didnt change a thing which was said earlier.
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Apparently you missed the point. They are complaining because it affects how other people on the server play.
What the hell was on the scoreboard then?
And if you think it's handled incorrectly in pubs, play some scrims. Aliens get points just for being alive. After 15 minutes into the game the aliens have like 1000 points pulled righted out of their ****.
What the hell was on the scoreboard then?
And if you think it's handled incorrectly in pubs, play some scrims. Aliens get points just for being alive. After 15 minutes into the game the aliens have like 1000 points pulled righted out of their ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
And in scrims, no one cares about points, so it's a moot point for this conversation.
Will taking k:d off the scoreboard keep me from stting in a hall and distracting the alien team so the rest of the marines have fewer skulks to worry about?
Will taking k:d off the scoreboard keep me from knifing the hive rt while killing anyone who comes into the hive?
Rambos can help the team, that's why the majority of commanders are grateful to have someone on their team who can kill and doesn't need specific orders. If they don't like it, they don't med/ammo.
Its all about the kill:death ratio!
So why should the commander be on the top of the scoreboard? Is it only for the "looks"?
<!--QuoteBegin-UKchaos+Apr 18 2005, 10:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UKchaos @ Apr 18 2005, 10:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> pff, no-one looks at the 'score'
Its all about the kill:death ratio!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I do, but maby I'm the only one.
We could make more people look at the score by making the score more usefull.
:s
He's the big cheese. Most important role, ergo, most important position.
There's no situation where a comm who is doing is job properly will fall into second place. That's mad. If he sits there and builds nothing, then yes, but otherwise, no.
Adding more maths into petty things like scoreboard calculations will lag the server; there's no need for it, so keep it as it is.
If marines got score for building, it would encourage marines to build. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Imho commander should gain only 1 point for some structures. Nothing for turrets for example. marines should get 1 points when build a structure. Score is not balanced now.
The scoreboard should not display score or k:d ratio.
As for the rambo guy maybe one rambo is good but what if the entire team does that huh you just gonna not med and wait for your team to all die then watch your spawn get camped. most ppl cant camp a hive I doubt even you can do it and acomplish anything. If you instead has moved out with a person you could kill the gorges camp the hive set up a tf and win the game, as aposed to you camping th hive running out of ammo and dieing gg.
The scoreboard should not display score or k:d ratio. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh....wth is it supposed to be used for, then? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
This is a TEAM game its about working as a team you want to count your kills go play cs.
Good to see you respect everyone's play styles.
and what if *gasp* there are multiple rambos that work together? I dare say we would have a team right there.
k.
so whats that have to do with showing k:d?
get back to me when you come up with a logical answer.
<!--QuoteBegin-Roberto+Apr 18 2005, 10:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roberto @ Apr 18 2005, 10:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-evidence+Apr 18 2005, 07:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (evidence @ Apr 18 2005, 07:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This is a TEAM game its about working as a team you want to count your kills go play cs. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Good to see you respect everyone's play styles.
and what if *gasp* there are multiple rambos that work together? I dare say we would have a team right there. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Umm multiple ppl working together isnt ramboing its working as team.
It's a pointless change that affects nothing.
You cant prove this will affect nothing, as I cant prove it will. I simply suggest we try it to see if it does help after all if it doesnt work its not going to harm anyone and can be put back into the next version, no harm done.
For those of you arguing to remove scores from the score board, these posts dont belong in this thread. If you think they do, take a second to think about how you can support an argument for rebalancing the redistribution of points by removing the scoreboard entirely.
wrong if anything this proves me right the community and the gameplay has changed greatly since the scores were added. Im not claiming that it is due to that, at least not entirely only that what you said is so wrong its not funny.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For those of you arguing to remove scores from the score board, these posts dont belong in this thread. If you think they do, take a second to think about how you can support an argument for rebalancing the redistribution of points by removing the scoreboard entirely.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
thats silly to argue about something ppl want changed and to leave out an option. Its like you have a big chat on what should be done the devs do it then someone comes along and says but it should have been done this way and the devs wasted all that time.
In anycase I disagree with you I think that it changed alot.
Yeah if commanders only go comm to get high score or to be highest on the scoreboard, with I doubt.
Infact it would help the commander to see with one is building by looking at the score compared with the kills.
Oh if this idea hasn't been suggested before could someone move it to I&S (give the builder score instead of the commander)?