Also, to clarify what I said earlier, I don't care if people use scripts, I just think the game is broken when people need to implement their own scripts into it, kinda like the old shotgun crosshair thing.
Oh and Forlorn, just because the gofaster script isn't unfair doesn't mean it isn't exploiting the game. I'm sorry but being able to run 40% faster than normal only through the use of scripts is exploiting no matter what anyone says.
You said name an expoitable script? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Too lazy to start quoting everyone so just go along with it:
Forlorn, there's no "u" in corners. You're crossing over to the euros now <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
To whoever said europeans don't play americans, a team representing the USA played a team representing sweden a few months ago. Two sets were played, with one on an american server and another on a european server. Guess what, it was 2-2 tie, all marine wins. Was it A) lol americans suck even with their game-winning scripts so we tied them OR b) wow scripts doesn't really matter, its skill.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Squishy is right, the euro's have ignored everything I've said because it goes against their league's agenda. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
you've ignored everything i've said about stopping the scipt wars in this thread. we are not about to make ANY decisions on scripting in the near future so drop the case <b>please!!</b>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And the fact is, there is a plugin that I've already posted a link to which removes _special, and it's ironic that you use _special when IN FACT it doesn't even block _special! <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
it blocks the chances of using special to any ridiculous bunnyhopping, pistol script or speed walking advantage.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The ignorance is overwhelming. And now that you've backed into a logical courner, I get arguments started about how scripting isn't fair (which may or may not be true), when the truth is they aren't going to make a speck of a difference FOR THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD! (or, that's what I thought this cup was about)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
good point. so stop moaning because it wont effect the games either way.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The only euro clan I've played from sU that is well known is .CuC . I dunno how good they are but we 2-0'ed them on euro server?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
-most of our players had similar ping to yours because of the poor server, i had worse than any other player on the server aswell.. which made it interesting. -we'd never played ns_lost b4 :'( -a trial ran away after 10 seconds of the game starting because he was "confused" -we where by no means a top EU clan at that time. at all. -we got bummed xD but we'd like a rematch <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh a vote? Too bad the vote will be dominated by a euro vote, therefore it makes sense that bs_1 will stay on defying all rationality <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
because every euro hates scripting and every american loves it? i dont think so. get more none euro teams involved (which is happening anyway) and i dont see what the problem is. If the majority want a certain way, its for a reason and not just because they are "ignorant".
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The ignorance is overwhelming. And now that you've backed into a logical courner, I get arguments started about how scripting isn't fair (which may or may not be true), when the truth is they aren't going to make a speck of a difference FOR THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD! (or, that's what I thought this cup was about)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->good point. so stop moaning because it wont effect the games either way.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm glad you agree that:
1. You are ignorant 2. You agree that the best in the world aren't going to be decided on the outcome by scripts 3. That scripts are convience 4. That you block scripts because you euro's want it and you don't consider anyone else.
And to leave the point hanging in the air, waiting for someone, anyone to answer this:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->it blocks the chances of using special to any ridiculous bunnyhopping, pistol script or speed walking advantage.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So <b>instead of blocking scripts... why not block _special</b>? There is a plugin that would take about 2 minutes to install on every server and require in your league config.
Moving with 0 progress from scripting, lets talk about pausing the game.
Yes, a euro rule is that you can pause the game if a player drops.
Good thinking would be: I'll just disconnect mid game, then have my players ask for a pause so if we are unorganized we can quickly take a 1:30 to find out what our positions are and take the best course of action.
Or how about a fight breaks out, a player drops and the admin pauses it, I'm trying to shoot a skulk with a SG, I'm just sitting there, it suddenly unpauses, but since I have a ping of 200 vs. a ping of 30 I die before I even know it's unpaused.
<!--QuoteBegin-Lump+Nov 1 2004, 02:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lump @ Nov 1 2004, 02:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> -we where by no means a top EU clan at that time. at all. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You are now? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-moomin.+Nov 1 2004, 03:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (moomin. @ Nov 1 2004, 03:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Lump+Nov 1 2004, 02:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lump @ Nov 1 2004, 02:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> -we where by no means a top EU clan at that time. at all. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You are now? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i didnt say we are now, no, but we're better.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1. You are ignorant 4. That you block scripts because you euro's want it and you don't consider anyone else<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i prefer scripting to not scripting.. so what are you on about? can u not read that no decisions have been made about scripting?! does this help?
<span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>NO DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT SCRIPTING AND WILL NOT BE MADE FOR A LONG TIME</span></span> with respects to the cup^
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So instead of blocking scripts... why not block _special? There is a plugin that would take about 2 minutes to install on every server and require in your league config.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i pm'ed you saying i would try to enforce this, i said it in this post atleast once aswell.. please think about what your saying before you make an idiot of youself. and like i said.. we do not have the necessary control of all servers to enforce this plugin AS OF YET. yes its easy to install but some people dont want to.
PLEASE, stop bitching about the decisions of the Cup admin team BEFORE they have actually been made!
with respects to pausing.
both teams are paused and both can gather knowledge to their best advantage. the ping difference will effect both rounds. do you already know what our rule on servers used is going to be? because i certainly don't and i'm the Head Admin!!
chances are going to be that EVERYONE will have to deal with having a high ping.
but! we havn't produced any rules to game pausing so why start moaning about it already?
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->but! we havn't produced any rules to game pausing so why start moaning about it already?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Because if I don't mention it now then the people who write the rules will never consider that puasing the game is a god awful idea.
Once the rules go up, then it becomes much harder to change them.
And I am assuming these rules will be in by looking at the way you run the euro league.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->both teams are paused and both can gather knowledge to their best advantage.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Except that, only one team will gain an advantage, because really there is no time in a match when things are perfectly equal (maybe aside from the first 20 seconds), in terms of organization, so that when you pause one side will gain an advantage from it and the other team will lose that advantage.
Just have it so there are people in the readyroom on standby in case someone drops.
Okay, after yumosis pm'ed me and said we that we, as in clanners should stick together I thought fine, I can ease off but you've taken this too far. How you can accuse us of pushing an agenda over a decision we haven't even made yet is laughable. How many statements do we need to make on this matter? You know what, just for you as you seem to have trouble reading we'll say it for the billionith time:
WE HAVE NOT DECIDED WHETEVER BLOCKSCRIPTS WILL BE 0 OR 1 YET. You know what this means? This means stop wasting our time and spamming this otherwise peaceful thread with your worthless crap. This is neither the time nor place for this discussion and no decision will be made in the forseeable future.
The only agenda pushing here is coming from you, we're undecided yet you feel the need to spam this thread and every other one with your pro-script propaganda. You're so offensive in your views that despite <b>agreeing with you </b>I wish to dear god you'd just shut the hell up. All you're doing is alienating people further, if I were an immature bastard I'd demand bs_1 just to spite you and watch your head explode. If you think you're being helpful then please think again. The only useful thing you've done in the past 12 pages is explain what deal between blockscripts and special is and that was 1 post in about 20.
Further more, you don't just accuse ONE specific admin, you accuse the entire admin team which includes probably the most pro-scripting euro there is. How many posts, how many times do i have to back you up and say i agree with your points in scripting threads for this to get through your thick skull?
Sweet mercy man, you're the bane of the clan scene and less than a week after this annoucement you're already the bane of this league. You've really excelled yourself this time. What's even funnier is that after all of this you probably won't even get picked for team US, unless of course getting knifed as a fade is seen as a useful skill.
rules will be drafted as early as possible so that they can be changed, its not hard to change rules before the league starts. we only have one league so far so i can't see how you can generalise our rules. some servers which may be used contain only 14 slots, 12 players + ref + hltv.. not much room for a sub. but yes that can be avoided. anyhow we are already disgussing this on the gamingorb forums where idea's, suggestions and complaints are SUPPOSED to be posted.
i would expect a national standard team to be organised in all stages of the game as to. where each player must go and what they are trying to achieve at that point. so i can't see how 1:30 MAX of paused gaming can alter a game so much, also its not like the other team can't repeat the pause when they need.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mr.Ben+Nov 1 2004, 03:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr.Ben @ Nov 1 2004, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Okay, after yumosis pm'ed me and said we that we, as in clanners should stick together I thought fine, I can ease off but you've taken this too far. How you can accuse us of pushing an agenda over a decision we haven't even made yet is laughable. How many statements do we need to make on this matter? You know what, just for you as you seem to have trouble reading we'll say it for the billionith time:
WE HAVE NOT DECIDED WHETEVER BLOCKSCRIPTS WILL BE 0 OR 1 YET. You know what this means? This means stop wasting our time and spamming this otherwise peaceful thread with your worthless crap. This is neither the time nor place for this discussion and no decision will be made in the forseeable future.
The only agenda pushing here is coming from you, we're undecided yet you feel the need to spam this thread and every other one with your pro-script propaganda. You're so offensive in your views that despite <b>agreeing with you </b>I wish to dear god you'd just shut the hell up. All you're doing is alienating people further, if I were an immature bastard I'd demand bs_1 just to spite you and watch your head explode. If you think you're being helpful then please think again. The only useful thing you've done in the past 12 pages is explain what deal between blockscripts and special is and that was 1 post in about 20.
Further more, you don't just accuse ONE specific admin, you accuse the entire admin team which includes probably the most pro-scripting euro there is. How many posts, how many times do i have to back you up and say i agree with your points in scripting threads for this to get through your thick skull?
Sweet mercy man, you're the bane of the clan scene and less than a week after this annoucement you're already the bane of this league. You've really excelled yourself this time. What's even funnier is that after all of this you probably won't even get picked for team US, unless of course getting knifed as a fade is seen as a useful skill. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> lmao... okay maybe you misssed a few things, and then we can decide who is 'laughable'
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Right now gamingorb is using blockscripts but as mu said this is just because of _special. When b6 and a fix for this comes out we will be going to bs_0. Personally the addition of special doesn't bother me two hoots and if people want to use it then fine, however it's not my decision, it's lumps. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->WE HAVE NOT DECIDED WHETEVER BLOCKSCRIPTS WILL BE 0 OR 1 YET. You know what this means? This means stop wasting our time and spamming this otherwise peaceful thread with your worthless crap. This is neither the time nor place for this discussion and no decision will be made in the forseeable future.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i'm assuming _special commands will be blocked with mp_blockscrips 0 in the next version, cup isn't for a long time yet so hopefully the next version will be out by then.
so mp_blockscripts 0 i hope<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then I point out (on the first page):
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry that's a misconception, bs_1 does not block _special.
It does block _special bhop scripts because it blocks +jump, but it does not block _special.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And then I give out a link to a plugin which disables _special.
And Mr. Ben maybe you missed the 5 or so pages carried on by zaiko deluv or whatever but I really don't care.
As far as I'm concerned, you missed half the thread, including your own text?
i'd like to point out that any player worth his/her salt isn't going to go out of their way to complain about the rules that a league set forth, especially considering the players choose whether or not they wish to sign up, play in it, or decide to leave it
a good player will get over stumbles and overcome them.. they adapt and get better because of it
for example, few people in competitive, like myself, play without need or dependance on any script.. it really has been a pleasure never having to complain or worry about these sorts of issues (and many others) and will for a long time to come
if the rules actually incorporated some dumb decision like "hey, you can't bunnyhop in this league," why take part in it? don't participate and that's the end of it, there's really no need for these long winded threads and posts that need to be replied to by dumb **** like me
perhaps this is just my realisation, but I feel that threads like these really justify why the clan scene is getting dull or "dying", as someone else might have put it, no one really accepts anything they don't understand or like (because they choose to not even try). how about we stop trying to revolutionize NS a million times over and over again by throwing a bunch of words no one reads out in the air.
seriously dudes just play the game for what it is, or leave. we can show the developers we give a damn about NS by making this game look like the gold it is
side note:
this is meb, can someone kind please unban my ns.org forum account now, open proxies really suck
Okay, your entire arguement revolves around an out of context remark. I will now set the record straight. When i say:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Right now gamingorb is using blockscripts but as mu said this is just because of _special. When b6 and a fix for this comes out we will be going to bs_0. Personally the addition of special doesn't bother me two hoots and if people want to use it then fine, however it's not my decision, it's lumps.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm talking about the gamingorb european league, an in progress league so of course we've made a decision about it for that competition. I don't however believe we've ever made a statement that nations cup would be governed and use the same rules as the european league though we may have stated we might use it as a template given that we've had success with the current format. If we have made that statement then i'm sorry - it is not the case - the rules for the league are still being decided, i thought we'd made that perfectly clear?
And as far as i'm concerned you've danced around my entire post - this entire thing says a lot about you. You haven't even been big enough to apoligise for your claims of admin bias and agenda pushing.
Admins note: This thread can go two ways: The one intended by the thread's starter, or a neverending debate regarding scripting, and a closely following lock and a prosecution of everyone derailing this further. Take your pick.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Nov 1 2004, 05:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Nov 1 2004, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Take your pick. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> when i read that just now i'm sure it said "tape your pr1ck" >_<.
Thanks NemesisZero, hopefully people will pay attention to your post.
I'd like to see the current requested forums being used a bit more before i input any new forums. Please spread the word and kick your friends up the arse to get them applying for these teams.
Also: is anyone interested in being part of the Cup admin team? we really need an admin from America <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->. if interested just let us know in a forum post or contact me on my bnc @ #gamingorb.ns ~ irc.quakenet.org
Playing with mousewheel doesnt off course take any more skill than using 3hopscript.
It's the fact that removing scripts would make the cup unfair for the americans, as they should have to learn to play the game in new way. The way which europeans are used to.
Im sure the gaming-orb rules can be modified so that everyone can play with their maximum ability, they way they are used to.
Removing blockscripts in matches where is an american opponent should be made possible, and possibly european people can have blockscript in their matches turned on as its custom there.
Ok I can't be bothered trawling through the last 14 pages of this, but please remember that America is just 1 nation, you have no more say in this than any other nation!
Firstly, its not going to be possible to install an AMX plugin on all the servers that are used for the cup - we simply dont have that sort of access to most the servers we use. The only arguement I can see for using blockscripts 0 is for 3-jump scripts - and while its a point, I really don't think its much difference to switch to using mousewheel and the negative points that come with bs 0 outweigh the small disadvantage it may give to a couple of players from 1 nation.
Personally I used a special script through all of 2.0 for my hopping, then switched to mousewheel in 3.0 with no problems. I found the recent addition of the muzzle sprites to the consistency check in b5 to be a much more serious change, but still I have played with them and gotten used to it (though i still say they are way too big! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->).
Please remember that jumping in NS is implemented the same way valve implemented it in half-life, in order to try and stop bunnyhopping! If you want a fair way for everybody to be able to bunnyhop then PM a dev demanding the quake-jumping method to be implemented!!!!!!! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
america represents approximately half of the world's ns scene, and it should be considered as just that <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> nothing more or less.
Your saying ALL americans are pr0-scripting, all euro's are anti-? OMG, i'm from the UK, and i'm not against scripting at all, not that i script but i still see NOTHING wrong with it, some people need to wake up and smell the coffee. You don't get killed becaue naughty vets have scripts, you don't get killed by those vets because they've got lightgamma 1, you get killed BECAUSE YOU SUCK.
<!--QuoteBegin-waller+Nov 2 2004, 01:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (waller @ Nov 2 2004, 01:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Your saying ALL americans are pr0-scripting, all euro's are anti-? OMG, i'm from the UK, and i'm not against scripting at all, not that i script but i still see NOTHING wrong with it, some people need to wake up and smell the coffee. You don't get killed becaue naughty vets have scripts, you don't get killed by those vets because they've got lightgamma 1, you get killed BECAUSE YOU SUCK. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> no one ever said that :)
or if they did dont take them seriously...
and, umm, i guess i owe an apology as well :/
sorry for all the rambling, good luck with the cup and so on. i'll be watching every match :D unless they are at some insane time of the day (or night for that matter)
At least; blockscripts discussion was keeping this thread alive... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I have created team Brazil/Turkey/NewZealand/Mexico forums as requested. None of these have actually been used yet. Can the people who requested the forums atleast put their names down in them to show an ounce of interest before a remove them please.
sorry... we were discussing with clans... NS scene is a bit complicated here... we didnt want to post billions of meaningless ****... I guess we will post these days... about how we re gonna choose players and stuff... ^_^
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Oh and Forlorn, just because the gofaster script isn't unfair doesn't mean it isn't exploiting the game. I'm sorry but being able to run 40% faster than normal only through the use of scripts is exploiting no matter what anyone says.
Forlorn, there's no "u" in corners. You're crossing over to the euros now <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
To whoever said europeans don't play americans, a team representing the USA played a team representing sweden a few months ago. Two sets were played, with one on an american server and another on a european server. Guess what, it was 2-2 tie, all marine wins. Was it A) lol americans suck even with their game-winning scripts so we tied them OR b) wow scripts doesn't really matter, its skill.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Squishy is right, the euro's have ignored everything I've said because it goes against their league's agenda.
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you've ignored everything i've said about stopping the scipt wars in this thread. we are not about to make ANY decisions on scripting in the near future so drop the case <b>please!!</b>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And the fact is, there is a plugin that I've already posted a link to which removes _special, and it's ironic that you use _special when IN FACT it doesn't even block _special!
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it blocks the chances of using special to any ridiculous bunnyhopping, pistol script or speed walking advantage.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The ignorance is overwhelming. And now that you've backed into a logical courner, I get arguments started about how scripting isn't fair (which may or may not be true), when the truth is they aren't going to make a speck of a difference FOR THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD! (or, that's what I thought this cup was about)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
good point. so stop moaning because it wont effect the games either way.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The only euro clan I've played from sU that is well known is .CuC . I dunno how good they are but we 2-0'ed them on euro server?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
-most of our players had similar ping to yours because of the poor server, i had worse than any other player on the server aswell.. which made it interesting.
-we'd never played ns_lost b4 :'(
-a trial ran away after 10 seconds of the game starting because he was "confused"
-we where by no means a top EU clan at that time. at all.
-we got bummed xD but we'd like a rematch <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Oh a vote? Too bad the vote will be dominated by a euro vote, therefore it makes sense that bs_1 will stay on defying all rationality <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
because every euro hates scripting and every american loves it? i dont think so. get more none euro teams involved (which is happening anyway) and i dont see what the problem is. If the majority want a certain way, its for a reason and not just because they are "ignorant".
so please.
less script talking.
more national team forming etc \o/.
lump`
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->good point. so stop moaning because it wont effect the games either way.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm glad you agree that:
1. You are ignorant
2. You agree that the best in the world aren't going to be decided on the outcome by scripts
3. That scripts are convience
4. That you block scripts because you euro's want it and you don't consider anyone else.
And to leave the point hanging in the air, waiting for someone, anyone to answer this:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->it blocks the chances of using special to any ridiculous bunnyhopping, pistol script or speed walking advantage.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So <b>instead of blocking scripts... why not block _special</b>? There is a plugin that would take about 2 minutes to install on every server and require in your league config.
Moving with 0 progress from scripting, lets talk about pausing the game.
Yes, a euro rule is that you can pause the game if a player drops.
Good thinking would be: I'll just disconnect mid game, then have my players ask for a pause so if we are unorganized we can quickly take a 1:30 to find out what our positions are and take the best course of action.
Or how about a fight breaks out, a player drops and the admin pauses it, I'm trying to shoot a skulk with a SG, I'm just sitting there, it suddenly unpauses, but since I have a ping of 200 vs. a ping of 30 I die before I even know it's unpaused.
You are now? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You are now? <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i didnt say we are now, no, but we're better.
4. That you block scripts because you euro's want it and you don't consider anyone else<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i prefer scripting to not scripting.. so what are you on about? can u not read that no decisions have been made about scripting?! does this help?
<span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>NO DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT SCRIPTING AND WILL NOT BE MADE FOR A LONG TIME</span></span>
with respects to the cup^
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So instead of blocking scripts... why not block _special? There is a plugin that would take about 2 minutes to install on every server and require in your league config.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i pm'ed you saying i would try to enforce this, i said it in this post atleast once aswell.. please think about what your saying before you make an idiot of youself. and like i said.. we do not have the necessary control of all servers to enforce this plugin AS OF YET. yes its easy to install but some people dont want to.
PLEASE, stop bitching about the decisions of the Cup admin team BEFORE they have actually been made!
with respects to pausing.
both teams are paused and both can gather knowledge to their best advantage.
the ping difference will effect both rounds. do you already know what our rule on servers used is going to be? because i certainly don't and i'm the Head Admin!!
chances are going to be that EVERYONE will have to deal with having a high ping.
but! we havn't produced any rules to game pausing so why start moaning about it already?
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Because if I don't mention it now then the people who write the rules will never consider that puasing the game is a god awful idea.
Once the rules go up, then it becomes much harder to change them.
And I am assuming these rules will be in by looking at the way you run the euro league.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->both teams are paused and both can gather knowledge to their best advantage.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Except that, only one team will gain an advantage, because really there is no time in a match when things are perfectly equal (maybe aside from the first 20 seconds), in terms of organization, so that when you pause one side will gain an advantage from it and the other team will lose that advantage.
Just have it so there are people in the readyroom on standby in case someone drops.
WE HAVE NOT DECIDED WHETEVER BLOCKSCRIPTS WILL BE 0 OR 1 YET. You know what this means? This means stop wasting our time and spamming this otherwise peaceful thread with your worthless crap. This is neither the time nor place for this discussion and no decision will be made in the forseeable future.
The only agenda pushing here is coming from you, we're undecided yet you feel the need to spam this thread and every other one with your pro-script propaganda. You're so offensive in your views that despite <b>agreeing with you </b>I wish to dear god you'd just shut the hell up. All you're doing is alienating people further, if I were an immature bastard I'd demand bs_1 just to spite you and watch your head explode. If you think you're being helpful then please think again. The only useful thing you've done in the past 12 pages is explain what deal between blockscripts and special is and that was 1 post in about 20.
Further more, you don't just accuse ONE specific admin, you accuse the entire admin team which includes probably the most pro-scripting euro there is. How many posts, how many times do i have to back you up and say i agree with your points in scripting threads for this to get through your thick skull?
Sweet mercy man, you're the bane of the clan scene and less than a week after this annoucement you're already the bane of this league. You've really excelled yourself this time. What's even funnier is that after all of this you probably won't even get picked for team US, unless of course getting knifed as a fade is seen as a useful skill.
i would expect a national standard team to be organised in all stages of the game as to. where each player must go and what they are trying to achieve at that point. so i can't see how 1:30 MAX of paused gaming can alter a game so much, also its not like the other team can't repeat the pause when they need.
lump`
WE HAVE NOT DECIDED WHETEVER BLOCKSCRIPTS WILL BE 0 OR 1 YET. You know what this means? This means stop wasting our time and spamming this otherwise peaceful thread with your worthless crap. This is neither the time nor place for this discussion and no decision will be made in the forseeable future.
The only agenda pushing here is coming from you, we're undecided yet you feel the need to spam this thread and every other one with your pro-script propaganda. You're so offensive in your views that despite <b>agreeing with you </b>I wish to dear god you'd just shut the hell up. All you're doing is alienating people further, if I were an immature bastard I'd demand bs_1 just to spite you and watch your head explode. If you think you're being helpful then please think again. The only useful thing you've done in the past 12 pages is explain what deal between blockscripts and special is and that was 1 post in about 20.
Further more, you don't just accuse ONE specific admin, you accuse the entire admin team which includes probably the most pro-scripting euro there is. How many posts, how many times do i have to back you up and say i agree with your points in scripting threads for this to get through your thick skull?
Sweet mercy man, you're the bane of the clan scene and less than a week after this annoucement you're already the bane of this league. You've really excelled yourself this time. What's even funnier is that after all of this you probably won't even get picked for team US, unless of course getting knifed as a fade is seen as a useful skill. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
lmao... okay maybe you misssed a few things, and then we can decide who is 'laughable'
Right from the horses mouth:
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84071&view=findpost&p=1304290' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...dpost&p=1304290</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Right now gamingorb is using blockscripts but as mu said this is just because of _special. When b6 and a fix for this comes out we will be going to bs_0. Personally the addition of special doesn't bother me two hoots and if people want to use it then fine, however it's not my decision, it's lumps.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->WE HAVE NOT DECIDED WHETEVER BLOCKSCRIPTS WILL BE 0 OR 1 YET. You know what this means? This means stop wasting our time and spamming this otherwise peaceful thread with your worthless crap. This is neither the time nor place for this discussion and no decision will be made in the forseeable future.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->i'm assuming _special commands will be blocked with mp_blockscrips 0 in the next version, cup isn't for a long time yet so hopefully the next version will be out by then.
so mp_blockscripts 0 i hope<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then I point out (on the first page):
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry that's a misconception, bs_1 does not block _special.
It does block _special bhop scripts because it blocks +jump, but it does not block _special.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And then I give out a link to a plugin which disables _special.
And Mr. Ben maybe you missed the 5 or so pages carried on by zaiko deluv or whatever but I really don't care.
As far as I'm concerned, you missed half the thread, including your own text?
a good player will get over stumbles and overcome them.. they adapt and get better because of it
for example, few people in competitive, like myself, play without need or dependance on any script.. it really has been a pleasure never having to complain or worry about these sorts of issues (and many others) and will for a long time to come
if the rules actually incorporated some dumb decision like "hey, you can't bunnyhop in this league," why take part in it? don't participate and that's the end of it, there's really no need for these long winded threads and posts that need to be replied to by dumb **** like me
perhaps this is just my realisation, but I feel that threads like these really justify why the clan scene is getting dull or "dying", as someone else might have put it, no one really accepts anything they don't understand or like (because they choose to not even try). how about we stop trying to revolutionize NS a million times over and over again by throwing a bunch of words no one reads out in the air.
seriously dudes just play the game for what it is, or leave. we can show the developers we give a damn about NS by making this game look like the gold it is
side note:
this is meb, can someone kind please unban my ns.org forum account now, open proxies really suck
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Right now gamingorb is using blockscripts but as mu said this is just because of _special. When b6 and a fix for this comes out we will be going to bs_0. Personally the addition of special doesn't bother me two hoots and if people want to use it then fine, however it's not my decision, it's lumps.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm talking about the gamingorb european league, an in progress league so of course we've made a decision about it for that competition. I don't however believe we've ever made a statement that nations cup would be governed and use the same rules as the european league though we may have stated we might use it as a template given that we've had success with the current format. If we have made that statement then i'm sorry - it is not the case - the rules for the league are still being decided, i thought we'd made that perfectly clear?
And as far as i'm concerned you've danced around my entire post - this entire thing says a lot about you. You haven't even been big enough to apoligise for your claims of admin bias and agenda pushing.
when i read that just now i'm sure it said "tape your pr1ck" >_<.
Thanks NemesisZero, hopefully people will pay attention to your post.
I'd like to see the current requested forums being used a bit more before i input any new forums. Please spread the word and kick your friends up the arse to get them applying for these teams.
Also: is anyone interested in being part of the Cup admin team? we really need an admin from America <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->. if interested just let us know in a forum post or contact me on my bnc @ #gamingorb.ns ~ irc.quakenet.org
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It's the fact that removing scripts would make the cup unfair for the americans, as they should have to learn to play the game in new way. The way which europeans are used to.
Im sure the gaming-orb rules can be modified so that everyone can play with their maximum ability, they way they are used to.
Removing blockscripts in matches where is an american opponent should be made possible, and possibly european people can have blockscript in their matches turned on as its custom there.
Firstly, its not going to be possible to install an AMX plugin on all the servers that are used for the cup - we simply dont have that sort of access to most the servers we use. The only arguement I can see for using blockscripts 0 is for 3-jump scripts - and while its a point, I really don't think its much difference to switch to using mousewheel and the negative points that come with bs 0 outweigh the small disadvantage it may give to a couple of players from 1 nation.
Personally I used a special script through all of 2.0 for my hopping, then switched to mousewheel in 3.0 with no problems. I found the recent addition of the muzzle sprites to the consistency check in b5 to be a much more serious change, but still I have played with them and gotten used to it (though i still say they are way too big! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->).
Please remember that jumping in NS is implemented the same way valve implemented it in half-life, in order to try and stop bunnyhopping! If you want a fair way for everybody to be able to bunnyhop then PM a dev demanding the quake-jumping method to be implemented!!!!!!! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
OMG, i'm from the UK, and i'm not against scripting at all, not that i script but i still see NOTHING wrong with it, some people need to wake up and smell the coffee.
You don't get killed becaue naughty vets have scripts, you don't get killed by those vets because they've got lightgamma 1, you get killed BECAUSE YOU SUCK.
OMG, i'm from the UK, and i'm not against scripting at all, not that i script but i still see NOTHING wrong with it, some people need to wake up and smell the coffee.
You don't get killed becaue naughty vets have scripts, you don't get killed by those vets because they've got lightgamma 1, you get killed BECAUSE YOU SUCK. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
no one ever said that :)
or if they did dont take them seriously...
and, umm, i guess i owe an apology as well :/
sorry for all the rambling, good luck with the cup and so on. i'll be watching every match :D unless they are at some insane time of the day (or night for that matter)
lump`