<!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 07:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> CS doesnt have hitbox problems when a player crouches though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't take this as me flaming you, 'cuz I'm not.
But did you play CS back when it was beta? Talk about teh suck... and we complain about NS in its beta stages <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
A better idea here would be to not lose. Then you don't have any problems.
Oh, almost forgot, even if you take out 400 players, there are still about as many people playing NS as there are playing all other non-Valve mods combined. Though, this whole gaining/losing players thing really requires numbers from 1.04, 2.01, etc.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Oct 19 2004, 06:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Oct 19 2004, 06:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [edit]I'll leave this thread now. Communication between dev and user only works if both sides are willing to at least hypothetically accept the other's position as valid, a requisite I see quickly waning in here. Bye.[/edit] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I completely understand your position, you release versions of the game to make players happy, not because the game is complete, I'd be just as happy getting 1 update every 6 months, as long as everything from last update was fixed. We've been waiting for the fade hitbox thing for what, 6 builds now? That could have been one build, I'd be quite happy waiting for things, than to get things half-assedly done.
Blah, thats kinda wordy, but I'm having trouble getting my thoughts out
<!--QuoteBegin-That's [Enough]+Oct 19 2004, 06:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (That's [Enough] @ Oct 19 2004, 06:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 07:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> CS doesnt have hitbox problems when a player crouches though. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't take this as me flaming you, 'cuz I'm not.
But did you play CS back when it was beta? Talk about teh suck... and we complain about NS in its beta stages <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, I did not.
I would still be playing 2.0 if WON worked, steam screwed it up
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<!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 05:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 05:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-That's [Enough+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (That's [Enough)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->,Oct 19 2004, 06:45 PM] <!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 07:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> CS doesnt have hitbox problems when a player crouches though. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't take this as me flaming you, 'cuz I'm not.
But did you play CS back when it was beta? Talk about teh suck... and we complain about NS in its beta stages <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, I did not.
I would still be playing 2.0 if WON worked, steam screwed it up <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> they made a steam version of 2.0 if you are so anxious to play it
<!--QuoteBegin-The_IRS+Oct 19 2004, 06:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (The_IRS @ Oct 19 2004, 06:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> bait-boy, I hope you fall off a cliff. The points azkar brings are valid. Don't be an **** please. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> huh? I'm being an ****? I never said his points werent valid. sheesh Anyways, theres no cliffs near where I live
-edit: oh man, I missed a lot of posts (more specificly the one with a pm with nem0 quoted)
<!--QuoteBegin-briktal+Oct 19 2004, 06:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (briktal @ Oct 19 2004, 06:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A better idea here would be to not lose. Then you don't have any problems.
Oh, almost forgot, even if you take out 400 players, there are still about as many people playing NS as there are playing all other non-Valve mods combined. Though, this whole gaining/losing players thing really requires numbers from 1.04, 2.01, etc. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You try and kill stuff when you have to guess where the hitbox is, this isnt about losing, its about not releasing a decent build (refer to my post above)
and as for the players lost, exigent, most of dn, eR, most of the mT members, the list goes on.
<!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 07:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You do know that around 200-400 people that "play" ns are bots, right?
the steam counter is off because of this.
so its really not that different.
CS doesnt have hitbox problems when a player crouches though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ok, first of all, there is only MAYBE 100 bots on steam right now, second, the steam numbers are in the thousands. 100 bots aint gonna make a difference, third, what does this have to do with anything?
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<!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 05:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 05:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-briktal+Oct 19 2004, 06:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (briktal @ Oct 19 2004, 06:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A better idea here would be to not lose. Then you don't have any problems.
Oh, almost forgot, even if you take out 400 players, there are still about as many people playing NS as there are playing all other non-Valve mods combined. Though, this whole gaining/losing players thing really requires numbers from 1.04, 2.01, etc. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You try and kill stuff when you have to guess where the hitbox is, this isnt about losing, its about not releasing a decent build (refer to my post above)
and as for the players lost, exigent, most of dn, eR, most of the mT members, the list goes on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> and how many players does ns GAIN for every clanner lost? (assuming that when a clan dies, all of its players stop playing NS forever)
<!--QuoteBegin-drummerman109+Oct 19 2004, 06:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (drummerman109 @ Oct 19 2004, 06:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 07:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You do know that around 200-400 people that "play" ns are bots, right?
the steam counter is off because of this.
so its really not that different.
CS doesnt have hitbox problems when a player crouches though. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ok, first of all, there is only MAYBE 100 bots on steam right now, second, the steam numbers are in the thousands. 100 bots aint gonna make a difference, third, what does this have to do with anything? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> when i played 1.04/2.0 there was about half the servers there are now, but the majority had players on them, not like today where 100 servers get used out of 400ish
Too much work is going into making combat better. But guess what? Combat isn't Natural Selection, it's Combat. They should start making NS better, or just get rid of NS mode, and call the mod combat.
Come on now devs, you know you want to make NS better, now do it.
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<!--QuoteBegin-That's [Enough]+Oct 19 2004, 06:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (That's [Enough] @ Oct 19 2004, 06:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 07:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 07:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> CS doesnt have hitbox problems when a player crouches though. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Don't take this as me flaming you, 'cuz I'm not.
But did you play CS back when it was beta? Talk about teh suck... and we complain about NS in its beta stages <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The CS betas were before the 1.1.0.0 patch for halflife, so arguing about lag using them as an example is pretty much illogical.
<!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-briktal+Oct 19 2004, 06:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (briktal @ Oct 19 2004, 06:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A better idea here would be to not lose. Then you don't have any problems.
Oh, almost forgot, even if you take out 400 players, there are still about as many people playing NS as there are playing all other non-Valve mods combined. Though, this whole gaining/losing players thing really requires numbers from 1.04, 2.01, etc. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You try and kill stuff when you have to guess where the hitbox is, this isnt about losing, its about not releasing a decent build (refer to my post above)
and as for the players lost, exigent, most of dn, eR, most of the mT members, the list goes on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> omg, do you not read the tread your posting in? YOUR PROBLEM IS LAG, NOT NS
<!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Oct 19 2004, 06:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Oct 19 2004, 06:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 05:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 05:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-briktal+Oct 19 2004, 06:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (briktal @ Oct 19 2004, 06:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> A better idea here would be to not lose. Then you don't have any problems.
Oh, almost forgot, even if you take out 400 players, there are still about as many people playing NS as there are playing all other non-Valve mods combined. Though, this whole gaining/losing players thing really requires numbers from 1.04, 2.01, etc. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You try and kill stuff when you have to guess where the hitbox is, this isnt about losing, its about not releasing a decent build (refer to my post above)
and as for the players lost, exigent, most of dn, eR, most of the mT members, the list goes on. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> and how many players does ns GAIN for every clanner lost? (assuming that when a clan dies, all of its players stop playing NS forever) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> and how many of them are combat nubs, that have never played NS?
Sorry, they lost people who LIKED to play their game, not just people that played for fun, but played seriously, I'd rather have people that take the game seriously and can give good feedback, than the random pubber that doesnt care what happens in the game.
<!--QuoteBegin-The_IRS+Oct 19 2004, 06:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (The_IRS @ Oct 19 2004, 06:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Too much work is going into making combat better. But guess what? Combat isn't Natural Selection, it's Combat. They should start making NS better, or just get rid of NS mode, and call the mod combat.
Come on now devs, you know you want to make NS better, now do it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That is my point, combat != NS and thats all the devs spend their time on, the majority of the changelog IS combat.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry, they lost people who LIKED to play their game, not just people that played for fun, but played seriously, I'd rather have people that take the game seriously and can give good feedback, than the random pubber that doesnt care what happens in the game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> sooo, people who play FOR FUN dont like to play?
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That screenshot was taken from a demo of a competitive CAL-NS match. Demos do not show accurate info, do not say "OMG HE HAS 500 PING", because that's not true. He likely had 40-80 ping, the demo will show inaccurate ping information. If you don't believe me record a demo in a game, then go view it and turn on netgraph.
<!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Oct 19 2004, 06:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Oct 19 2004, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry, they lost people who LIKED to play their game, not just people that played for fun, but played seriously, I'd rather have people that take the game seriously and can give good feedback, than the random pubber that doesnt care what happens in the game. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> sooo, people who play FOR FUN dont like to play? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> They dont really take it seriously, and they dont care much about the changes. Read the rest of my sentence next time before you respond please.
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edited October 2004
<!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 05:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 05:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Oct 19 2004, 06:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Oct 19 2004, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry, they lost people who LIKED to play their game, not just people that played for fun, but played seriously, I'd rather have people that take the game seriously and can give good feedback, than the random pubber that doesnt care what happens in the game. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> sooo, people who play FOR FUN dont like to play? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They dont really take it seriously, and they dont care much about the changes. Read the rest of my sentence next time before you respond please. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> remember that this is a BETA before you post a "Fix your Game" thread
(Note from the sidelines: We have a long standing tradition of locking anti-Combat threads because they arguably lead nowhere while creating a lot of noise and heat. If this continues in the direction of Co-thrashing, it'll be locked.)
Actually azkar I do not believe the problem with the NS devs, but rather the crappy server you played on, it truely was a piece if you are getting stuff like that.
Most people don't realize it but a server with bad rates makes it almost impossible to play on for some people.
<span style='color:white'>I tolerated this once, but you're using the 'example' much in the way some people put 'no offense' in front of a flame. Be nice.</span>
<!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 06:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 06:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Oct 19 2004, 06:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Oct 19 2004, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry, they lost people who LIKED to play their game, not just people that played for fun, but played seriously, I'd rather have people that take the game seriously and can give good feedback, than the random pubber that doesnt care what happens in the game. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> sooo, people who play FOR FUN dont like to play? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They dont really take it seriously, and they dont care much about the changes. Read the rest of my sentence next time before you respond please. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I care and I am your pubber I play for fun. I don't blow an O-Ring every time I die.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Oct 19 2004, 07:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Oct 19 2004, 07:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (Note from the sidelines: We have a long standing tradition of locking anti-Combat threads because they arguably lead nowhere while creating a lot of noise and heat. If this continues in the direction of Co-thrashing, it'll be locked.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not bashing CO at all, CO is fine, I just want the devs to spend some more time on NS, like I said, most of the changelog is for CO.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Oct 19 2004, 07:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Oct 19 2004, 07:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> (Note from the sidelines: We have a long standing tradition of locking anti-Combat threads because they arguably lead nowhere while creating a lot of noise and heat. If this continues in the direction of Co-thrashing, it'll be locked.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Where in my sentance did I say anti-combat? I said just put more time into NS. I do enjoy a combat game here and there, but I enjoy the game of NS more. The game that introduced people to combat. It just seems logical to fix NS before CO.
OMG, can someone lock this? I just wasted 3 minutes of my time hoping for something good. This thread/flamefest is perpetuated by someone who goes by what someone else says. Which BTW: I'll keep my opinions to myself about a few CAL admins. I know 1 personally that visits a LAN center/group down here hes great. Some of them are about as bright as a dead lightbulb when it comes to anything computer related.
Azkar speak your own words, not someone elses, that shows true inteligence.
<!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Oct 19 2004, 07:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Oct 19 2004, 07:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 05:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 05:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Oct 19 2004, 06:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Oct 19 2004, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry, they lost people who LIKED to play their game, not just people that played for fun, but played seriously, I'd rather have people that take the game seriously and can give good feedback, than the random pubber that doesnt care what happens in the game. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> sooo, people who play FOR FUN dont like to play? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They dont really take it seriously, and they dont care much about the changes. Read the rest of my sentence next time before you respond please. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> remember that this is a BETA before you post a "Fix your Game" thread
oh wait, its too late to tell you that <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You do know that 2.0 on steam is worse than 3.0?
<!--QuoteBegin-|999|Hydralisk+Oct 19 2004, 07:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (|999|Hydralisk @ Oct 19 2004, 07:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 06:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 06:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Oct 19 2004, 06:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Oct 19 2004, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry, they lost people who LIKED to play their game, not just people that played for fun, but played seriously, I'd rather have people that take the game seriously and can give good feedback, than the random pubber that doesnt care what happens in the game. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> sooo, people who play FOR FUN dont like to play? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They dont really take it seriously, and they dont care much about the changes. Read the rest of my sentence next time before you respond please. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I care and I am your pubber I play for fun. I don't blow an O-Ring every time I die. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> stop being biased
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<!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 06:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 06:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Oct 19 2004, 07:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Oct 19 2004, 07:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 05:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 05:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Oct 19 2004, 06:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Oct 19 2004, 06:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Azkar+Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Azkar @ Oct 19 2004, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sorry, they lost people who LIKED to play their game, not just people that played for fun, but played seriously, I'd rather have people that take the game seriously and can give good feedback, than the random pubber that doesnt care what happens in the game. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> sooo, people who play FOR FUN dont like to play? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They dont really take it seriously, and they dont care much about the changes. Read the rest of my sentence next time before you respond please. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> remember that this is a BETA before you post a "Fix your Game" thread
oh wait, its too late to tell you that <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You do know that 2.0 on steam is worse than 3.0? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> which means that 3.0 is BETTER, meaning they are improving the game
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Don't take this as me flaming you, 'cuz I'm not.
But did you play CS back when it was beta? Talk about teh suck... and we complain about NS in its beta stages <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh, almost forgot, even if you take out 400 players, there are still about as many people playing NS as there are playing all other non-Valve mods combined. Though, this whole gaining/losing players thing really requires numbers from 1.04, 2.01, etc.
I completely understand your position, you release versions of the game to make players happy, not because the game is complete, I'd be just as happy getting 1 update every 6 months, as long as everything from last update was fixed. We've been waiting for the fade hitbox thing for what, 6 builds now? That could have been one build, I'd be quite happy waiting for things, than to get things half-assedly done.
Blah, thats kinda wordy, but I'm having trouble getting my thoughts out
Don't take this as me flaming you, 'cuz I'm not.
But did you play CS back when it was beta? Talk about teh suck... and we complain about NS in its beta stages <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, I did not.
I would still be playing 2.0 if WON worked, steam screwed it up
Don't take this as me flaming you, 'cuz I'm not.
But did you play CS back when it was beta? Talk about teh suck... and we complain about NS in its beta stages <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, I did not.
I would still be playing 2.0 if WON worked, steam screwed it up <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
they made a steam version of 2.0 if you are so anxious to play it
huh? I'm being an ****?
I never said his points werent valid. sheesh
Anyways, theres no cliffs near where I live
-edit: oh man, I missed a lot of posts (more specificly the one with a pm with nem0 quoted)
Oh, almost forgot, even if you take out 400 players, there are still about as many people playing NS as there are playing all other non-Valve mods combined. Though, this whole gaining/losing players thing really requires numbers from 1.04, 2.01, etc. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You try and kill stuff when you have to guess where the hitbox is, this isnt about losing, its about not releasing a decent build (refer to my post above)
and as for the players lost, exigent, most of dn, eR, most of the mT members, the list goes on.
the steam counter is off because of this.
so its really not that different.
CS doesnt have hitbox problems when a player crouches though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ok, first of all, there is only MAYBE 100 bots on steam right now, second, the steam numbers are in the thousands. 100 bots aint gonna make a difference, third, what does this have to do with anything?
Oh, almost forgot, even if you take out 400 players, there are still about as many people playing NS as there are playing all other non-Valve mods combined. Though, this whole gaining/losing players thing really requires numbers from 1.04, 2.01, etc. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You try and kill stuff when you have to guess where the hitbox is, this isnt about losing, its about not releasing a decent build (refer to my post above)
and as for the players lost, exigent, most of dn, eR, most of the mT members, the list goes on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
and how many players does ns GAIN for every clanner lost?
(assuming that when a clan dies, all of its players stop playing NS forever)
the steam counter is off because of this.
so its really not that different.
CS doesnt have hitbox problems when a player crouches though. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
ok, first of all, there is only MAYBE 100 bots on steam right now, second, the steam numbers are in the thousands. 100 bots aint gonna make a difference, third, what does this have to do with anything? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
when i played 1.04/2.0 there was about half the servers there are now, but the majority had players on them, not like today where 100 servers get used out of 400ish
Come on now devs, you know you want to make NS better, now do it.
Don't take this as me flaming you, 'cuz I'm not.
But did you play CS back when it was beta? Talk about teh suck... and we complain about NS in its beta stages <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The CS betas were before the 1.1.0.0 patch for halflife, so arguing about lag using them as an example is pretty much illogical.
Oh, almost forgot, even if you take out 400 players, there are still about as many people playing NS as there are playing all other non-Valve mods combined. Though, this whole gaining/losing players thing really requires numbers from 1.04, 2.01, etc. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You try and kill stuff when you have to guess where the hitbox is, this isnt about losing, its about not releasing a decent build (refer to my post above)
and as for the players lost, exigent, most of dn, eR, most of the mT members, the list goes on. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
omg, do you not read the tread your posting in? YOUR PROBLEM IS LAG, NOT NS
next time listen to nem0 when he speaks
Oh, almost forgot, even if you take out 400 players, there are still about as many people playing NS as there are playing all other non-Valve mods combined. Though, this whole gaining/losing players thing really requires numbers from 1.04, 2.01, etc. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You try and kill stuff when you have to guess where the hitbox is, this isnt about losing, its about not releasing a decent build (refer to my post above)
and as for the players lost, exigent, most of dn, eR, most of the mT members, the list goes on. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
and how many players does ns GAIN for every clanner lost?
(assuming that when a clan dies, all of its players stop playing NS forever) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
and how many of them are combat nubs, that have never played NS?
Sorry, they lost people who LIKED to play their game, not just people that played for fun, but played seriously, I'd rather have people that take the game seriously and can give good feedback, than the random pubber that doesnt care what happens in the game.
Come on now devs, you know you want to make NS better, now do it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is my point, combat != NS and thats all the devs spend their time on, the majority of the changelog IS combat.
sooo, people who play FOR FUN dont like to play?
sooo, people who play FOR FUN dont like to play? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
They dont really take it seriously, and they dont care much about the changes. Read the rest of my sentence next time before you respond please.
sooo, people who play FOR FUN dont like to play? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They dont really take it seriously, and they dont care much about the changes. Read the rest of my sentence next time before you respond please. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
remember that this is a BETA before you post a "Fix your Game" thread
oh wait, its too late to tell you that
Most people don't realize it but a server with bad rates makes it almost impossible to play on for some people.
<span style='color:white'>I tolerated this once, but you're using the 'example' much in the way some people put 'no offense' in front of a flame. Be nice.</span>
sooo, people who play FOR FUN dont like to play? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They dont really take it seriously, and they dont care much about the changes. Read the rest of my sentence next time before you respond please. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I care and I am your pubber I play for fun. I don't blow an O-Ring every time I die.
I'm not bashing CO at all, CO is fine, I just want the devs to spend some more time on NS, like I said, most of the changelog is for CO.
Where in my sentance did I say anti-combat? I said just put more time into NS. I do enjoy a combat game here and there, but I enjoy the game of NS more. The game that introduced people to combat. It just seems logical to fix NS before CO.
Azkar speak your own words, not someone elses, that shows true inteligence.
I'm done here. Over and out.
sooo, people who play FOR FUN dont like to play? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They dont really take it seriously, and they dont care much about the changes. Read the rest of my sentence next time before you respond please. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
remember that this is a BETA before you post a "Fix your Game" thread
oh wait, its too late to tell you that <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You do know that 2.0 on steam is worse than 3.0?
sooo, people who play FOR FUN dont like to play? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They dont really take it seriously, and they dont care much about the changes. Read the rest of my sentence next time before you respond please. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I care and I am your pubber I play for fun. I don't blow an O-Ring every time I die. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
stop being biased
sooo, people who play FOR FUN dont like to play? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They dont really take it seriously, and they dont care much about the changes. Read the rest of my sentence next time before you respond please. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
remember that this is a BETA before you post a "Fix your Game" thread
oh wait, its too late to tell you that <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You do know that 2.0 on steam is worse than 3.0? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
which means that 3.0 is BETTER, meaning they are improving the game