<!--QuoteBegin-ZERG!!+Sep 14 2004, 10:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZERG!! @ Sep 14 2004, 10:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And what I meant by my original post was that it's a little to late to be complaining about it now. <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I disagree. Things are constantly changing in NS, there's no reason the trend can't be reversed.
Where's the "Don't care about game length, but please try to remove the slippery slope"-option? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Edit, just to clarify: It would be fairly simple to just make the games draw out even longer by increasing build/evolve/research times etc, but that wouldn't really be an improvement. Swifter gameplay <i>and</i> a stronger possibility for comebacks is what I would prefer.
It IS nice as it is, but i mostly agree that longer games are more fun for both sides. Is this idea a follow up of the NS supersiege idea? where you cant get to each other for 5-10 mins?
True true... i would like to see a system that prevents the easy early wins though. As you say, the shotty rush / gorge rush / fade rush is pretty lame very early. They should put back the NS 2.0 statistics, they were perfect apart from certain map exploits.
I agree with many people about the rfk's as now the good players win as if we aliens kill more marines in short time that = quick fade or visa versa. NOw back to say 1.04 if you wernt building the rts for the 'team' you wernt going to get anywhere fast also with that staement 'fast' rt's took a while for both teams and they both made efforts to hold them.
Anyway I voted yes <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The statistics i mean for 2.0, i mean these days fades are godlike but you can kill an onos with a single pistol round. What happened to the onos we once feared? Back in 2.0 both sides were MOSTLY even. These days marines always win in combat and aliens in NS mode.
actually what i remember about 2.0 is that fades were almost unkillable due to tinytiny hitbox and better blink, and onosses, while extremely powerful with 2 hives (stomp) were quite possible to take down, you just needed to know where to shoot them.
"These days marines always win in combat and aliens in NS mode."
now i havent played B5 combat, so cant comment but i think aliens actually dont always win in NS mode. hahaha.
Considering this poll has such a small sample, and pertains to such a particular group of players (pubbers who come to the forums make up most of the population here, and on top of that how active are they? Most pubbers simply like playing the game not talking about it), and also considering I haven't read one reply which even states the person knows what they are describing when they ask for "longer games"...
I agree this is a small sample Forlorn, but its all there is so far.
Its the community's fault for not coming out and voting on the future of NS. If something changes and they don't like it, they have no right to ****. Just like if you don't get out and vote for the presidential elections, you have no right to **** at how crappy the president is.
I'd like to see this poll go on until there are a lot more respondants. I still however, see this as the best representation of the community we have.
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Sep 15 2004, 09:28 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Sep 15 2004, 09:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Considering this poll has such a small sample, and pertains to such a particular group of players (pubbers who come to the forums make up most of the population here, and on top of that how active are they? Most pubbers simply like playing the game not talking about it), and also considering I haven't read one reply which even states the person knows what they are describing when they ask for "longer games"... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually forlorn, this sample is pretty representative Natural selection population. There are far more pubbers playing NS that there are people in competative clan play. I hope your not suggesting that the views of the minority that is clan players, is somehow more important?
i remember a server back in the ns 1.4 days where they had 1 game on ns_nothing that lasted for about a week strait (people played in shifts) now that was an awesome game. and there was always some sort of action on the map, not just campers.
Guys, 150 votes is nothing. The Unchained poll has almost 900. Besides that, the wording of the question is so generic(and the answers slightly biased) that you can't possibly use it as support for one suggestion or another.
<!--QuoteBegin-Zek+Sep 15 2004, 03:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zek @ Sep 15 2004, 03:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Guys, 150 votes is nothing. The Unchained poll has almost 900. Besides that, the wording of the question is so generic(and the answers slightly biased) that you can't possibly use it as support for one suggestion or another. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> the poll just started yesterday..........
Do you want the game to be your way? Do you want the game to be your way?
Because no matter how you vote, it's almost completely irrelevent. The two things you vote for are too ambigious. Imagine if you were flay and you see this poll:
"Oh, so they want their games longer with a chance of comeback. Man that's so obvious, why didn't *I* think of that?"
Remove every weapon and lifeform from the game except a LA marine with bolt-operated pistol and the skulk with parasite. That'll increase game time for sure!
And there have been a million other poll threads about bunnyhopping, unchained chambers, etc. and nothing has come out of them.
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Sep 15 2004, 11:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Sep 15 2004, 11:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This poll might as well be titled:
Do you want the game to be your way? Do you want the game to be your way?
Because no matter how you vote, it's almost completely irrelevent. The two things you vote for are too ambigious. Imagine if you were flay and you see this poll:
"Oh, so they want their games longer with a chance of comeback. Man that's so obvious, why didn't *I* think of that?" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Aight so,
1) You made this poll for pointless intentions? That sux. 2) We are just adding to what we can do to make games longer so there shouldnt be any problem.
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Sep 15 2004, 08:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Sep 15 2004, 08:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> "Oh, so they want their games longer with a chance of comeback. Man that's so obvious, why didn't *I* think of that?" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Flayra intentionally shortened the game length. We are telling him we don't like that decision, and hopefully he will listen.
<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80478' target='_blank'>Here's my discussion on the implementation of shorter game length by the dev team.://Here's my discussion on the imp...y the dev team.://Here's my discussion on the imp...y the dev team.</a>
I also posted some possible game changes that would lengthen the game. Some of the ideas are complete crap, but I think you'll get something out of it to add to this discussion.
I voted a resounding "Yes."
Edit: After three attempts of editing the linked post, I've given up. I'm not sure exactly how it ended up the way it is, but the hyperlink portion links correctly.
<!--QuoteBegin-GiGaBiTe+Sep 15 2004, 09:58 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GiGaBiTe @ Sep 15 2004, 09:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i remember a server back in the ns 1.4 days where they had 1 game on ns_nothing that lasted for about a week strait (people played in shifts) now that was an awesome game. and there was always some sort of action on the map, not just campers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> holy crap, i thought 2 days was long...
NS is more of a pubbie game actually, since virtually no offical clans truely exist that give not the best feedback....nerfing leap damage for some reason is one of them I thought of while I just typed this, leap is rarer then even parasite kill wise from what I've seen.
What should a company do, please about 90% of the fan base or the 10%? They could just solve this with a mid ground, AKA, no RFK and some buffing for the Khaara, mainly that regen buff that didn't come as was told.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What should a company do, please about 90% of the fan base or the 10%?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Uh... the larger group. Unless I'm missing your point. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Flayra intentionally shortened the game length. We are telling him we don't like that decision, and hopefully he will listen.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hopefully... Actually we have a good chance because technically command over the NS project is in Zunni's hands, unless I'm mistaken, and he's a pretty open minded guy. Just look at how he reform the I&S forum. It's great, the new ideas actually get heard.
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I disagree. Things are constantly changing in NS, there's no reason the trend can't be reversed.
After this very constructive discussion i would like to see everyone vote on this subject.
Edit, just to clarify:
It would be fairly simple to just make the games draw out even longer by increasing build/evolve/research times etc, but that wouldn't really be an improvement. Swifter gameplay <i>and</i> a stronger possibility for comebacks is what I would prefer.
That's why we have 5 min game ending fades
or
5 min shotty rushes on hives.
However the RFK was intentionally added to allow the above "strats".
Anyway I voted yes <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Back in 2.0 both sides were MOSTLY even. These days marines always win in combat and aliens in NS mode.
"These days marines always win in combat and aliens in NS mode."
now i havent played B5 combat, so cant comment but i think aliens actually dont always win in NS mode. hahaha.
God, it was so much fun to be an Onos in 1.04. At least in the 1 out of 50 games you got a chance to.
This entire poll =
A whole lotta nothing.
Its the community's fault for not coming out and voting on the future of NS. If something changes and they don't like it, they have no right to ****. Just like if you don't get out and vote for the presidential elections, you have no right to **** at how crappy the president is.
I'd like to see this poll go on until there are a lot more respondants. I still however, see this as the best representation of the community we have.
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Actually forlorn, this sample is pretty representative Natural selection population. There are far more pubbers playing NS that there are people in competative clan play. I hope your not suggesting that the views of the minority that is clan players, is somehow more important?
the poll just started yesterday..........
Do you want the game to be your way?
Do you want the game to be your way?
Because no matter how you vote, it's almost completely irrelevent. The two things you vote for are too ambigious. Imagine if you were flay and you see this poll:
"Oh, so they want their games longer with a chance of comeback. Man that's so obvious, why didn't *I* think of that?"
And there have been a million other poll threads about bunnyhopping, unchained chambers, etc. and nothing has come out of them.
Do you want the game to be your way?
Do you want the game to be your way?
Because no matter how you vote, it's almost completely irrelevent. The two things you vote for are too ambigious. Imagine if you were flay and you see this poll:
"Oh, so they want their games longer with a chance of comeback. Man that's so obvious, why didn't *I* think of that?" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Aight so,
1) You made this poll for pointless intentions? That sux.
2) We are just adding to what we can do to make games longer so there shouldnt be any problem.
<!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Flayra intentionally shortened the game length. We are telling him we don't like that decision, and hopefully he will listen.
I also posted some possible game changes that would lengthen the game. Some of the ideas are complete crap, but I think you'll get something out of it to add to this discussion.
I voted a resounding "Yes."
Edit: After three attempts of editing the linked post, I've given up. I'm not sure exactly how it ended up the way it is, but the hyperlink portion links correctly.
holy crap, i thought 2 days was long...
What should a company do, please about 90% of the fan base or the 10%? They could just solve this with a mid ground, AKA, no RFK and some buffing for the Khaara, mainly that regen buff that didn't come as was told.
Have to agree unfortunately.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What should a company do, please about 90% of the fan base or the 10%?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uh... the larger group. Unless I'm missing your point. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Flayra intentionally shortened the game length. We are telling him we don't like that decision, and hopefully he will listen.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hopefully... Actually we have a good chance because technically command over the NS project is in Zunni's hands, unless I'm mistaken, and he's a pretty open minded guy. Just look at how he reform the I&S forum. It's great, the new ideas actually get heard.
Not moving forever around a marine base cramped in a hive.