I used to do that all the time on lans just to **** off my friends. They'd catch on pretty quick and ban me from the lan server. Then I'd have to promise I wouldn't do it anymore so they'd unban me and then I'd start cheating again. So much fun.
<!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Apr 22 2004, 01:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Apr 22 2004, 01:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-camO.o+Apr 21 2004, 11:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (camO.o @ Apr 21 2004, 11:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AoF.Palin+Apr 20 2004, 01:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AoF.Palin @ Apr 20 2004, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> oh.. and esp is likely the most deadly cheat in existence.. especially since it can be highly undetectable in the right (wrong) hands. Experimented with it on my LAN back when I played CS and had countless sessions where I never died at all. The sad part was that most of the other people just said that I was particularly on fire those days and not even once was I ever accused of cheating. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> wait, you cheated... on a lan?
and you're still alive? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think he deserves to survive if they were really dumb enough not to just look at his monitor to see if he was cheating. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I think that's because it's HIS lan <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
anyway, any videos of speedhacks? They look pathetic when you meet them <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cereal_KillR+Apr 22 2004, 12:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Apr 22 2004, 12:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Apr 22 2004, 01:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Apr 22 2004, 01:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-camO.o+Apr 21 2004, 11:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (camO.o @ Apr 21 2004, 11:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AoF.Palin+Apr 20 2004, 01:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AoF.Palin @ Apr 20 2004, 01:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> oh.. and esp is likely the most deadly cheat in existence.. especially since it can be highly undetectable in the right (wrong) hands. Experimented with it on my LAN back when I played CS and had countless sessions where I never died at all. The sad part was that most of the other people just said that I was particularly on fire those days and not even once was I ever accused of cheating. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> wait, you cheated... on a lan?
and you're still alive? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think he deserves to survive if they were really dumb enough not to just look at his monitor to see if he was cheating. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think that's because it's HIS lan <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
anyway, any videos of speedhacks? They look pathetic when you meet them <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm pretty sure i have a 1.04 speedhack demo somewhere, if i find i i'll .avi it. Other than that, i've got another "better" hack working now, but only in CS, so i'll try and get one tomorrow or something.
Ok, added the first speedhack video to the first post. Go check it. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
*EDIT: Yes i could have just posted the demo, but the demo is twice the filesize, a lot of it is unecessary, and this is a lot easier to play than a demo. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Also, ya can notice speedh4x if its on 10x or more settings, the persons ping goes over 1000, whole server lags for a while(this is to simulate "lag" that would explain shifting). Speedhacks novadays, are quite sopisthicated and can cause lag that so whole server lags to mask the h4x. Also there are more sophisticated aimbots than esuna used, such as wich can detect if a person is spectating him and turns the hack off for that time(tested and used in private server with buddies)
Maybe these AVIs will bring insight to those admins who ban people for "cheating", or my favorite term "wallbotting".
In all seriousness, I think people cheat because A)For competition, they need to, otherwise they would not be able to compete at the level they desire
B) for the pubber, its an escape. When they cheat and go 100/whatever, its a power trip, they are the dominate one, when people accuse them of cheating, they get to them to basically **** off, and keep getting attention from these individuals. Its pretty sad, but it is how it is. There really is no other reason to do it, other than to get attention, and to be "the man".
<!--QuoteBegin-Aka'lamanaia+Apr 22 2004, 06:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aka'lamanaia @ Apr 22 2004, 06:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, ya can notice speedh4x if its on 10x or more settings, the persons ping goes over 1000, whole server lags for a while(this is to simulate "lag" that would explain shifting). Speedhacks novadays, are quite sopisthicated and can cause lag that so whole server lags to mask the h4x. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If I didn't suck so much (crappy video card, mostly), people might accuse me of cheating sometimes, with the unreliable T3 connection this college provides that sometimes becomes slower than dialup.
<!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Apr 19 2004, 05:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Apr 19 2004, 05:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And as you may well have realised, for any of you who've played NS with me, i don't hack. I suck too much. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i can attest to the fact, that he does indeed, suck too much <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Urgh sorry guys, videos down for about half hour or so. I've been killing zazi's bandwidth, and since he put me up for free, i feel bad, so moving them over to my ISP space. Normal service should resume asap.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cereal_KillR+Apr 22 2004, 07:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cereal_KillR @ Apr 22 2004, 07:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> please reassure me of one thing: the hacks aren't easy to find are they? D: <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, google doesn't bring up these sites right away if you know what i mean, but i guess with anyone determined to cheat, they could find them with a little effort. Working and "undetected" cheats are a little harder to come by, however. The second you know a hack name, however, it makes it a hell of a lot easier to find. By hack name i don't mean the name of a specific hack such as "aimbot" or "wallhack", i mean something like "OMGZCheatv0.23525" or something.
I knew of the sites long before so i got them straight away, however. I know for a fact one of the bigger and more frequently updated sites now requires registration to download. Also with the dubious nature of cheating in online games, i can virtually guarentee there are a lot of sites out there which are a) fakes and b) contain trojans and the like. I'm virtually certain one cheat i downloaded was nothing but a trojan front end and nothing more.
<!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+Apr 19 2004, 06:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Apr 19 2004, 06:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There are no cheats that can change how much ammo you have, how much health you have or the range of grenades(I've acctually seen this suggested in game <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->... There may be grenade bugs however that could possibly be exploited). These are things that are handled on the server side, if you know of a bug you may be able to abuse it but this is an exploit, not a cheat(in ns 1.0-1.04 marines where allmost impossible to hit when crouching in corners and you could hardly bite them from below their feet, some players abused this by crouching in corners.) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> On tfc I was accuse of using some kind of regen hack or godmode hack, I was a soldier and some guy was a sniper class and he shot me maybe 3 times or so (Also note it was a adminop server with special stuff) and I had maybe 50 armor left and some hp left. I tried to explain how their is no possiblity of any health/hit points hack like it only works on really old games where your health point is on your computer and not the server and he didn't listen <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Also anyone know of some site (I've seen) that is not a hacking download site but tells you how hacks work and screen shots and what to expect? (Also I searched something like anti-hacks or how hacks work on google but it only lead to hacking sites) (Also it was some server site)
<!--QuoteBegin-Aka'lamanaia+Apr 22 2004, 09:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Aka'lamanaia @ Apr 22 2004, 09:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, ya can notice speedh4x if its on 10x or more settings, the persons ping goes over 1000, whole server lags for a while(this is to simulate "lag" that would explain shifting). Speedhacks novadays, are quite sopisthicated and can cause lag that so whole server lags to mask the h4x. Also there are more sophisticated aimbots than esuna used, such as wich can detect if a person is spectating him and turns the hack off for that time(tested and used in private server with buddies) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I hate these with an endless passion, you couldn't guess how many times I've been listening to some guy in CS "headshot headshot headshot" then I go spectate him to find he can't play worth crap when I'm watching, he just runs around in a retarded daze.
OK, do you guys think that hacks/cheats have ruined Half-Life? I for one do. It gives people an unfair advantage over other players. The question, children, is not how to detect cheats (to get an admin to kick them, but most admins either won't believe you, are cheaters, or just aren't there), rather it is how to prevent them from being allowed to run and corrupt our (the good players) gaming experience. Valve needs to get their act in gear and make cheats of any kind that conflict with the game useless.
Any player, no matter how bad they are, are better than the best cheater! If you need cheats to play, as soon as Valve kicks you, or cheats become turned off, you will know what I mean. I'd rather play with noobs and help them out and teach them the ropes, then play with a cheater on any server.
<!--QuoteBegin-dk_splat+Apr 22 2004, 08:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (dk_splat @ Apr 22 2004, 08:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OK, do you guys think that hacks/cheats have ruined Half-Life? I for one do. It gives people an unfair advantage over other players. The question, children, is not how to detect cheats (to get an admin to kick them, but most admins either won't believe you, are cheaters, or just aren't there), rather it is how to prevent them from being allowed to run and corrupt our (the good players) gaming experience. Valve needs to get their act in gear and make cheats of any kind that conflict with the game useless.
Any player, no matter how bad they are, are better than the best cheater! If you need cheats to play, as soon as Valve kicks you, or cheats become turned off, you will know what I mean. I'd rather play with noobs and help them out and teach them the ropes, then play with a cheater on any server. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Not to start an argument or anything, but where have you been the last month? VALVe has been updating and improving their anti-cheat technology a plethora of times this month! I think they ARE starting to listen to their fans. Cheats also ruin <u>ALL</u> games that affect other players, not just HL and it's modifications. And I have seen players who cheat with the whole works (lambert, aimbot, wallhack, etc.) and totally suck. The reason why I know this is because they say they hack and also back in the BETA days of CS (and a while in CS v1.3) I used to cheat. I was cheating, not because I sucked, because I didn't, just because I was curious. Cheating also brought new "life" to CS for me for a while. I am not proud of this, but I know all about cheating. I know more about it than you probably think, even to this day. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Cheating, believe it or not, DOES take skill, IF you want to be a "good" cheater. Getting ratios of 200-0 is not an easy task. You have to know what "aim vector" to use, when to use it, where to set your corrections, what speed setting is best, when to execute, etc. Even though you have way more advtange than any other player, trust me, it does take skill to cheat, lol.
I have moved past my age of cheating in multiplayer games. I'm just not interested in it. Games are so much better in the state that they were meant to be in, and it creates a challange. I for one, have not seen very many cheaters lately in any HL MOD.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OK, do you guys think that hacks/cheats have ruined Half-Life? I for one do. It gives people an unfair advantage over other players. The question, children, is not how to detect cheats (to get an admin to kick them, but most admins either won't believe you, are cheaters, or just aren't there), rather it is how to prevent them from being allowed to run and corrupt our (the good players) gaming experience. Valve needs to get their act in gear and make cheats of any kind that conflict with the game useless.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 1. Halflife isn't ruined per say, it's just old as hell. HL is still quite a remarkable engine all things considered, even with the cheating for the most part games are still fun, and when they get not fun you can usually find another mod/server that is funner than the one your currently playing.
2. I'd give you a 9 to 10 chance that the people that have been acused of cheating that admins refuse to kick/ban are not actually cheating. If you don't belive this you are a communist. (see I can sling mud too)
3. There is no way to disable to capability of cheats to be writen for an engine and still have a thriving mod based comunity. Mod makers need access to the code that hackers use to give themselfs an advantage of, without it many of the mods we have today couldn't exist at the level they do, the creators just wouldn't have had enough control over the game.
[edit] just thought I would point out that Valve is updating VAC much more frequently now then ever before, to date there have been more than 2500 bans I belive.
PS. if you get banned because your "brother" downloaded hacks, slap the kid in the head and make him buy you a new copy of HL, don't bug valve about it. It just makes you look bad.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cheating, believe it or not, DOES take skill, IF you want to be a "good" cheater. Getting ratios of 200-0 is not an easy task. You have to know what "aim vector" to use, when to use it, where to set your corrections, what speed setting is best, when to execute, etc. Even though you have way more advtange than any other player, trust me, it does take skill to cheat, lol.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh, getting ratios of 200-0 doesn't make you a "good cheater", it makes you banned. In my opinion a "good cheater" if there is such a thing is a cheater that doesn't get caught... and thus cheaters have to balance between advantage and obviousness, which seems like a lot of wasted effort considering that your only really there to **** people off in the first place, and they are gonna leave if they can't prove anything anyways, and you know that your score doesn't in any way make you a good player.
I hold casual cheaters in allmost as much contempt as those who use external cheats.
I feel we need to more actively prevent those tiny exploits that you can do with changing NS files and by other simple means that give a very significant advantage.
I'm a bit uneasy being specific about what I since I don't want to give anyone any ideas.
Just a few examples though, down scaling and stretching wall textures so that walls are mono coloured with simple changes of settings and or files, the use of r_drawviewmodel 0(outdated exploit that removes your gun model which honestly made you about twice as good without looking suspicious in any way), brightly coloured models , spiked models, jacking your gamma up with the express purpose of removing shadows and not just compensating for a horrible monitor, various funny bussiness with sprites, playing in third person(not possible anymore I hope, I know that at least one way to do it was fixed), special exploit scripts(a now fixed type of script that is able to loop a command very quickly) and map/plugin exploits, stopcommandermode a command that allowed aliens to exit a comm chair without first being in it and have marine apperance and fire guns as well as pickup marine weapons(at one point you could hardly join any server without finding at least one idiot doing this).
It's just as immoral gaining a significant advantage from abusing /stuck to get to places that you are not supposed to and offer a significant advantage as it is using a wallhack(I've seen many custom maps won this way in 1.04, the worst plugin I ever saw was one that allows skulks to cling to marines and other aliens without being hitable or having collision with walls(but you can bite stuff), using this you could cling to another alien and be pushed out through a wall and block a narrow corridor so that marines would be bitten at least once when they pass you and they can't do a damned thing to hurt you. Plugins like this should just not be used but that is up to server admins).
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->and you know that your score doesn't in any way make you a good player.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Those cheaters must be **** when commanders beat them and have zero deaths <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->. pwnt!
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cheating, believe it or not, DOES take skill, IF you want to be a "good" cheater. Getting ratios of 200-0 is not an easy task. You have to know what "aim vector" to use, when to use it, where to set your corrections, what speed setting is best, when to execute, etc. Even though you have way more advtange than any other player, trust me, it does take skill to cheat, lol. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That may as well be the case, it still doesn't justify the huge and very illegitimate advantage and the fact that most of that skill is of a very different kind(e.g. fiddling with the settings to make your aimbot as efficient as possible or google usage skills).
There are some files which should just be locked down entirely(checksummed when loading and if it doesn't match, you get dropped with a message). In order not to kill customization models can't be locked down this way but it can do some quick checks, what's the extent of the model(e.g. are there big spikes?), is it overall much brighter than standard models(check texture), is it allmost monochrome green, red, pink etc. , does it have any part rendered in additive etc. Shouldn't be impossible to do an automatic check like that.
Lock down the last remaining settings that can give you a big advantage and try to detect if the user is forcing a high gamma value externally.
This should really help cut down on the bulk of cheating IMO.
i saw a guy go 196-0 in a cstrike game, no joke. i only stayed in the server cause he was on my team and it was funny as hell to follow him around as he got about 8 headshots a round
The driving reason behind Valve getting medieval on cheaters is because of HL2 and the leak. One of the biggest fears about the leak from a gamer's point of view is that the cheat writers can develop cheats more effectively using the source as a reference. Valve, by showing that they're committed to anti-cheat measures, are attempting to address this.
<!--QuoteBegin-lochness+Apr 23 2004, 12:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lochness @ Apr 23 2004, 12:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i saw a guy go 196-0 in a cstrike game, no joke. i only stayed in the server cause he was on my team and it was funny as hell to follow him around as he got about 8 headshots a round <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Lol, It's always funny when other people in the server try to tell people accusing the 196-0 guy of cheating that it's "Skill". I've seen my fair share of not dying streaks in games, and even done a few of myself. But that many without dying is a physical impossibility, the chances of joining a server with not one single person able to kill that guy is like a million to one, especially in a game like CS, which has 70,000 people playing at like any given time.
But i don't think the NS community has that much 'omg **** **** hax0r' people. It's the CS community that consists of 10 year old crybaby's with mom's that have too much money and can't find a way to shut their kid up who are expanding towards NS.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Apr 22 2004, 09:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Apr 22 2004, 09:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cheating, believe it or not, DOES take skill, IF you want to be a "good" cheater. Getting ratios of 200-0 is not an easy task. You have to know what "aim vector" to use, when to use it, where to set your corrections, what speed setting is best, when to execute, etc. Even though you have way more advtange than any other player, trust me, it does take skill to cheat, lol.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Heh, getting ratios of 200-0 doesn't make you a "good cheater", it makes you banned. In my opinion a "good cheater" if there is such a thing is a cheater that doesn't get caught... and thus cheaters have to balance between advantage and obviousness, which seems like a lot of wasted effort considering that your only really there to **** people off in the first place, and they are gonna leave if they can't prove anything anyways, and you know that your score doesn't in any way make you a good player. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Reminds me of this sig I saw: "6 kills in a row in Q3: Excellent; 6 kills in a row in UT2k3: Monster Kill; 6 kills in a row in CS: Kicked by console"
The best cheaters are those that cheat and remain undetected. In this age of pure on-line tourneys, you can never be sure if the leet player from the other team is cheating or not. With that in mind, you can't really help but doubt the insane skill displayed.
<!--QuoteBegin-_Creep_+Apr 23 2004, 06:50 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (_Creep_ @ Apr 23 2004, 06:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The driving reason behind Valve getting medieval on cheaters is because of HL2 and the leak. One of the biggest fears about the leak from a gamer's point of view is that the cheat writers can develop cheats more effectively using the source as a reference. Valve, by showing that they're committed to anti-cheat measures, are attempting to address this. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Or they just want to sqeeze more money out of HL <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->. Most of the casual cheaters that get banned will probably go out and buy another copy to get another CD Key.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But i don't think the NS community has that much 'omg **** **** hax0r' people. It's the CS community that consists of 10 year old crybaby's with mom's that have too much money and can't find a way to shut their kid up who are expanding towards NS.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think there are plenty of cheaters in NS, but not many hardcore aimbotter/wallhacker/ESP users. I think ALOT of people use tiny little exploits(no muzzle flash/gun model, very high gamma ramp, different player models that are easier to spot, crosshair for devour etc.) without thinking twice about it.
people can alter the skins and cross hairs from most Ns site any way. i myself use a high definition minigun for my HMG and i dont consider it a cheat in any way because its not effecting my game play or giving me an advanatage as for muzzle flare u GOTTA have muzzle flare OMG with out its your just firing a high pitch noise gun with out the fire works <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
tbh most cheaters ive seen are either the best on the server or the worst. in Cs i watched on person (will not name them) who was aiming the ceiling on one map and his trail of bullets was working its way towards the other player who wasnt even looking in the same direction. the guy couldnt even aim at some one NOT looking his way.
other times in Cs u see people who jump and shot some one pointblank clearly in the foot and get a headshot. so there are far more cheats out on the internet then stated here. this is just a breif summery by a guy annoyed at some thing which i agree is worse then hackors them selfs. people who let the FEAR of hackers get to them
so plz chill and move to a new server with admins on if u have to who will kick/ban hackers at there delight.
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wait, you cheated... on a lan?
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I think he deserves to survive if they were really dumb enough not to just look at his monitor to see if he was cheating. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think that's because it's HIS lan <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
anyway, any videos of speedhacks? They look pathetic when you meet them <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
wait, you cheated... on a lan?
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I think he deserves to survive if they were really dumb enough not to just look at his monitor to see if he was cheating. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think that's because it's HIS lan <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
anyway, any videos of speedhacks? They look pathetic when you meet them <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm pretty sure i have a 1.04 speedhack demo somewhere, if i find i i'll .avi it. Other than that, i've got another "better" hack working now, but only in CS, so i'll try and get one tomorrow or something.
*EDIT: Yes i could have just posted the demo, but the demo is twice the filesize, a lot of it is unecessary, and this is a lot easier to play than a demo. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
In all seriousness, I think people cheat because A)For competition, they need to, otherwise they would not be able to compete at the level they desire
B) for the pubber, its an escape. When they cheat and go 100/whatever, its a power trip, they are the dominate one, when people accuse them of cheating, they get to them to basically **** off, and keep getting attention from these individuals. Its pretty sad, but it is how it is. There really is no other reason to do it, other than to get attention, and to be "the man".
Undergrad in Psych really does pay off.
If I didn't suck so much (crappy video card, mostly), people might accuse me of cheating sometimes, with the unreliable T3 connection this college provides that sometimes becomes slower than dialup.
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i can attest to the fact, that he does indeed, suck too much <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
oh, and NICE JOB CAR-MAN!!!
Well, google doesn't bring up these sites right away if you know what i mean, but i guess with anyone determined to cheat, they could find them with a little effort. Working and "undetected" cheats are a little harder to come by, however. The second you know a hack name, however, it makes it a hell of a lot easier to find. By hack name i don't mean the name of a specific hack such as "aimbot" or "wallhack", i mean something like "OMGZCheatv0.23525" or something.
I knew of the sites long before so i got them straight away, however. I know for a fact one of the bigger and more frequently updated sites now requires registration to download. Also with the dubious nature of cheating in online games, i can virtually guarentee there are a lot of sites out there which are a) fakes and b) contain trojans and the like. I'm virtually certain one cheat i downloaded was nothing but a trojan front end and nothing more.
On tfc I was accuse of using some kind of regen hack or godmode hack, I was a soldier and some guy was a sniper class and he shot me maybe 3 times or so (Also note it was a adminop server with special stuff) and I had maybe 50 armor left and some hp left. I tried to explain how their is no possiblity of any health/hit points hack like it only works on really old games where your health point is on your computer and not the server and he didn't listen <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Also anyone know of some site (I've seen) that is not a hacking download site but tells you how hacks work and screen shots and what to expect? (Also I searched something like anti-hacks or how hacks work on google but it only lead to hacking sites) (Also it was some server site)
I hate these with an endless passion, you couldn't guess how many times I've been listening to some guy in CS "headshot headshot headshot" then I go spectate him to find he can't play worth crap when I'm watching, he just runs around in a retarded daze.
Any player, no matter how bad they are, are better than the best cheater! If you need cheats to play, as soon as Valve kicks you, or cheats become turned off, you will know what I mean. I'd rather play with noobs and help them out and teach them the ropes, then play with a cheater on any server.
Any player, no matter how bad they are, are better than the best cheater! If you need cheats to play, as soon as Valve kicks you, or cheats become turned off, you will know what I mean. I'd rather play with noobs and help them out and teach them the ropes, then play with a cheater on any server. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not to start an argument or anything, but where have you been the last month? VALVe has been updating and improving their anti-cheat technology a plethora of times this month! I think they ARE starting to listen to their fans. Cheats also ruin <u>ALL</u> games that affect other players, not just HL and it's modifications. And I have seen players who cheat with the whole works (lambert, aimbot, wallhack, etc.) and totally suck. The reason why I know this is because they say they hack and also back in the BETA days of CS (and a while in CS v1.3) I used to cheat. I was cheating, not because I sucked, because I didn't, just because I was curious. Cheating also brought new "life" to CS for me for a while. I am not proud of this, but I know all about cheating. I know more about it than you probably think, even to this day. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Cheating, believe it or not, DOES take skill, IF you want to be a "good" cheater. Getting ratios of 200-0 is not an easy task. You have to know what "aim vector" to use, when to use it, where to set your corrections, what speed setting is best, when to execute, etc. Even though you have way more advtange than any other player, trust me, it does take skill to cheat, lol.
I have moved past my age of cheating in multiplayer games. I'm just not interested in it. Games are so much better in the state that they were meant to be in, and it creates a challange. I for one, have not seen very many cheaters lately in any HL MOD.
1. Halflife isn't ruined per say, it's just old as hell. HL is still quite a remarkable engine all things considered, even with the cheating for the most part games are still fun, and when they get not fun you can usually find another mod/server that is funner than the one your currently playing.
2. I'd give you a 9 to 10 chance that the people that have been acused of cheating that admins refuse to kick/ban are not actually cheating. If you don't belive this you are a communist. (see I can sling mud too)
3. There is no way to disable to capability of cheats to be writen for an engine and still have a thriving mod based comunity. Mod makers need access to the code that hackers use to give themselfs an advantage of, without it many of the mods we have today couldn't exist at the level they do, the creators just wouldn't have had enough control over the game.
[edit] just thought I would point out that Valve is updating VAC much more frequently now then ever before, to date there have been more than 2500 bans I belive.
PS. if you get banned because your "brother" downloaded hacks, slap the kid in the head and make him buy you a new copy of HL, don't bug valve about it. It just makes you look bad.
Are you trying to justify cheating, demon?
Heh, getting ratios of 200-0 doesn't make you a "good cheater", it makes you banned. In my opinion a "good cheater" if there is such a thing is a cheater that doesn't get caught... and thus cheaters have to balance between advantage and obviousness, which seems like a lot of wasted effort considering that your only really there to **** people off in the first place, and they are gonna leave if they can't prove anything anyways, and you know that your score doesn't in any way make you a good player.
I feel we need to more actively prevent those tiny exploits that you can do with changing NS files and by other simple means that give a very significant advantage.
I'm a bit uneasy being specific about what I since I don't want to give anyone any ideas.
Just a few examples though, down scaling and stretching wall textures so that walls are mono coloured with simple changes of settings and or files, the use of r_drawviewmodel 0(outdated exploit that removes your gun model which honestly made you about twice as good without looking suspicious in any way), brightly coloured models , spiked models, jacking your gamma up with the express purpose of removing shadows and not just compensating for a horrible monitor, various funny bussiness with sprites, playing in third person(not possible anymore I hope, I know that at least one way to do it was fixed), special exploit scripts(a now fixed type of script that is able to loop a command very quickly) and map/plugin exploits, stopcommandermode a command that allowed aliens to exit a comm chair without first being in it and have marine apperance and fire guns as well as pickup marine weapons(at one point you could hardly join any server without finding at least one idiot doing this).
It's just as immoral gaining a significant advantage from abusing /stuck to get to places that you are not supposed to and offer a significant advantage as it is using a wallhack(I've seen many custom maps won this way in 1.04, the worst plugin I ever saw was one that allows skulks to cling to marines and other aliens without being hitable or having collision with walls(but you can bite stuff), using this you could cling to another alien and be pushed out through a wall and block a narrow corridor so that marines would be bitten at least once when they pass you and they can't do a damned thing to hurt you. Plugins like this should just not be used but that is up to server admins).
Those cheaters must be **** when commanders beat them and have zero deaths <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->. pwnt!
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That may as well be the case, it still doesn't justify the huge and very illegitimate advantage and the fact that most of that skill is of a very different kind(e.g. fiddling with the settings to make your aimbot as efficient as possible or google usage skills).
There are some files which should just be locked down entirely(checksummed when loading and if it doesn't match, you get dropped with a message). In order not to kill customization models can't be locked down this way but it can do some quick checks, what's the extent of the model(e.g. are there big spikes?), is it overall much brighter than standard models(check texture), is it allmost monochrome green, red, pink etc. , does it have any part rendered in additive etc. Shouldn't be impossible to do an automatic check like that.
Lock down the last remaining settings that can give you a big advantage and try to detect if the user is forcing a high gamma value externally.
This should really help cut down on the bulk of cheating IMO.
Lol, It's always funny when other people in the server try to tell people accusing the 196-0 guy of cheating that it's "Skill". I've seen my fair share of not dying streaks in games, and even done a few of myself. But that many without dying is a physical impossibility, the chances of joining a server with not one single person able to kill that guy is like a million to one, especially in a game like CS, which has 70,000 people playing at like any given time.
But i don't think the NS community has that much 'omg **** **** hax0r' people. It's the CS community that consists of 10 year old crybaby's with mom's that have too much money and can't find a way to shut their kid up who are expanding towards NS.
Heh, getting ratios of 200-0 doesn't make you a "good cheater", it makes you banned. In my opinion a "good cheater" if there is such a thing is a cheater that doesn't get caught... and thus cheaters have to balance between advantage and obviousness, which seems like a lot of wasted effort considering that your only really there to **** people off in the first place, and they are gonna leave if they can't prove anything anyways, and you know that your score doesn't in any way make you a good player. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Reminds me of this sig I saw: "6 kills in a row in Q3: Excellent; 6 kills in a row in UT2k3: Monster Kill; 6 kills in a row in CS: Kicked by console"
The best cheaters are those that cheat and remain undetected. In this age of pure on-line tourneys, you can never be sure if the leet player from the other team is cheating or not. With that in mind, you can't really help but doubt the insane skill displayed.
Or they just want to sqeeze more money out of HL <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->. Most of the casual cheaters that get banned will probably go out and buy another copy to get another CD Key.
I think there are plenty of cheaters in NS, but not many hardcore aimbotter/wallhacker/ESP users. I think ALOT of people use tiny little exploits(no muzzle flash/gun model, very high gamma ramp, different player models that are easier to spot, crosshair for devour etc.) without thinking twice about it.
tbh most cheaters ive seen are either the best on the server or the worst. in Cs i watched on person (will not name them) who was aiming the ceiling on one map and his trail of bullets was working its way towards the other player who wasnt even looking in the same direction. the guy couldnt even aim at some one NOT looking his way.
other times in Cs u see people who jump and shot some one pointblank clearly in the foot and get a headshot. so there are far more cheats out on the internet then stated here. this is just a breif summery by a guy annoyed at some thing which i agree is worse then hackors them selfs. people who let the FEAR of hackers get to them
so plz chill and move to a new server with admins on if u have to who will kick/ban hackers at there delight.