<!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+May 21 2004, 08:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ May 21 2004, 08:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->lol... because it ISNT A BLACK AND WHITE ISSUE. It's a matter of gray. I decided that changing any xhair is totally legal. As have most people<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No it isn't a black and white issue, but YOU are the one acting like it is. You decided you think one thing is totally legal allthough there really isn't much but the severity of the advantage to seperate it from outright cheats such as coloured/glowing/spiked model replacements. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So what if the only difference is severity? The only difference between poking someone with a knife and stabbing them through the heart with a knife is severity. Severity makes all the difference in the world <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+May 20 2004, 01:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ May 20 2004, 01:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> lol... a devour xhair is NOT A CHEAT. Neither is a xhair for bite or swipe. Period.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Obviously it isn't a big cheat and it's not something that's going to ruin the game for everyone. But it DOES give you an advantage, why else would you have it, it certainly doesn't look any nicer?
Your obviously pushing me and I didn't want to do this but here goes:
Combine a bunch of these "customizations" and suddenly play twice as well without being twice as good(I'm not kidding. Turn up the gamma, get a good set of crosshairs for all weapons, brighten player model textures a bit so they stick out more(after all it's only a bit brighter so it could be rationalized away as only a minor cheat if even that), make the muzzle flash smaller or remove entirely, change the skulk model to not display the bite animation, abuse any exploit as long as you can get away with it(such as the former flash light build and ammo exploits, wall strafe, reload the grenade launcher directly from the armory(this isn't as old as it seems, there was an exploit only a version or two back and I saw plenty enough use this one without anyone noticing/caring), the former _special - exploit bh script and pistol script, shot acid rockets through thin walls wherever applicable, marine "zig-zag" walking to gain speed, remove the devour sprite so you can see where you are while being devoured, enable a3d explicitly because you know it is bugged and lets you hear things over longer distances not because you want to use a3d but because it gives you an advantage(users must of course be able to choose their hardware as they wish, but this is quite a big advantage and it just feels cheap...), use clip bugs to "stick" to hard to reach corners while your jetpack is recharging so that you can stay out of reach of that hungry onos while you normally couldn't etc.), make certain sounds much longer so you can hear where the player is long afterwards and all the other things I forgot/never thought of).
Doing one thing like this isn't going to make much of a difference and no one will care, but grab every little advantage you can and it adds up pretty quickly even if none of them by itself is an outright cheat.
I have no problems with customization as long as it's only point isn't to make you play better, often with a big reduction of atmosphere and good looks. Customization never need add or remove things from the game that effect gameplay, they should customize things that are allready there. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I hate to put down some of you comparisons in that post Solyent but really come on. I'm an admin at a server and we do use mp_consistency becuse we dont want modle hacks and we use cd becuse we want to try to stop opengl hacks. However who dosnt zig zag or strafe walk to go faster its just smart playing and who hasnt set down on some obscure lil spot in a map when they have a jp. These are things smart players would do not hackers. Personaly i use a3d and i always just thought that it was buggy but i use it becuse of my hardware its a3d compatable and frankly i just find it anoying when im siting in the hive hearing mariens spawn for some reason and wish they would fix that. Personaly I could care less if someone has a crosshair for devour I don't but I just care about the major hacks and people conduct. This piddly stuff just seems off topic to me find a server that had cd and mp_consitency you will probley have more fun. However if you make the choice to play on a server without these you get what you expect.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->However who dosnt zig zag or strafe walk to go faster its just smart playing and who hasnt set down on some obscure lil spot in a map when they have a jp. These are things smart players would do not hackers. Personaly i use a3d and i always just thought that it was buggy but i use it becuse of my hardware its a3d compatable and frankly i just find it anoying when im siting in the hive hearing mariens spawn for some reason and wish they would fix that. Personaly I could care less if someone has a crosshair for devour I don't but I just care about the major hacks and people conduct. This piddly stuff just seems off topic to me find a server that had cd and mp_consitency you will probley have more fun. However if you make the choice to play on a server without these you get what you expect.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not talking about setting down in an obscure spot, I'm talking about sticking to the wall when there is no floor to stand on due to bugged collision, you can't even stand their you have to strafe into the corner to stick(typically <90 degree corners), this is actually usefull on some maps where there is no nearby safe spot to sit down, recharge all your fuel and reload you gun when your under attack by an onos for example.
Running in a straight line with your knife pulled(you do go a little faster with a knife) an onos is 30 units per second faster than you, wiggling strafe back and forth you are 10-20 units faster over open ground. Who on Earth would expect that to happen? Knowing obscure exploits should not be an advantage.
Unless the developers condone these they are exploits, and obscure ones at that.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->However if you make the choice to play on a server without these you get what you expect.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Choice? How do I go about finding a server with <100 ping that has both C-D and consistency as well as not populated by people who speak exclusively german, dutch, hungarian, danish, finish or some other language I don't understand?
Short of making my own server it just won't happen unless I have blind freaking luck, there is no choice here. I have enough trouble just finding a plain old C-D server matching the above.
<!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+May 23 2004, 11:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ May 23 2004, 11:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i still think bunny hopping should be classed as a cheat because its exploiting the hl engine<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's easy to remove. But instead they made it BETTER(player not slowed to default run speed if they exceed 170%). Now what does that tell you?
It cannot possibly be an exploit in the HL engine because it's not even in the HL engine. The movement code that allows bunnyhopping is in pm_shared.c in the HLSDK, which means it's in the MOD code and can easily be modified by the developers.
To demonstrate just how easy it is to fix lets do it with pseudo code.
In pm_airaccelerate that allows air acceleration do this:
Calculate and store speed, let original code run.
If speed is below say 10% of player run speed set the new velocity to the one the original code would have produced. (this allows players to jump up on boxes from stationary)
Else, if speed has not increased set the velocity to the one the original code produced.(this allows air braking)
Else, if speed has increased, take the new velocity and crop it down so no speed has been gained.(this removes any speed gain from strafe-jumping). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What about leap?
<!--QuoteBegin-A|ex+May 23 2004, 01:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (A|ex @ May 23 2004, 01:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i still think bunny hopping should be classed as a cheat because its exploiting the hl engine <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Erm, Flayra approved aliens using bunny hopping, he wanted it in the game for a reason.
Leap would work as intended because it accelerates the player without pm_airaccelerate and a modified pm_airaccelerate would allow the player to simply keep any speed they may have unless they airbrake or strafe-turn quickly.
If you're suggesting to use leap to gain some speed and then keep jumping to keep it you can certainly play with the friction, say 10% friction everytime you land no matter how fast you jump, in only a few jumps you would be back to normal running speed.
Leaping consumes alot of energy and was intended to be fast so I see no problem with it as is even if you wanted to remove bunnyhopping.
If you wanted to entirely prevent this you could easily look at pm_jump and crop the horisontal velocity to 100% if the player exceeds it and succesfully jumps(this doesn't look funny when you can't gain speed through strafe jumping).
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> i still think bunny hopping should be classed as a cheat because its exploiting the hl engine<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's easy to remove. But instead they made it BETTER(player not slowed to default run speed if they exceed 170%). Now what does that tell you?
It cannot possibly be an exploit in the HL engine because it's not even in the HL engine. The movement code that allows bunnyhopping is in pm_shared.c in the HLSDK, which means it's in the MOD code and can easily be modified by the developers.
To demonstrate just how easy it is to fix lets do it with pseudo code.
In pm_airaccelerate that allows air acceleration do this:
Calculate and store (edit: horisontal) speed, let original code run.
If speed is below say 10% of player run speed set the new velocity to the one the original code would have produced. (this allows players to jump up on boxes from stationary)
Else, if speed has not increased set the velocity to the one the original code produced.(this allows air braking)
Else, if speed has increased, take the new velocity and crop (edit: the horisontal bits) of it down so no speed has been gained.(this removes any speed gain from strafe-jumping).
God knows what that tells us... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Skulks at one hive need bhop to be competitive against pro players, on pubs, it does seem unfair for newbies and low skilled players. Thanks for all this post, ppl should know about hacking and modifiying ns...servers that don't accept foreign models is a good idea...but i wanna keap my Doom Hangun!!!
Shh, it's a cheatsite <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, and apparently I made one of the 'cheats' on there. Excuse me while I repent for my devour crosshair. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Shh, it's a cheatsite <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, and apparently I made one of the 'cheats' on there. Excuse me while I repent for my devour crosshair. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you insist on being sarcastic. There is a reason why you find "crosshair hacks" that put a crosshair on the middle of your screen at all times on most cheat sites(some of which are banned for by VAC mind you).
Shh, it's a cheatsite <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes, and apparently I made one of the 'cheats' on there. Excuse me while I repent for my devour crosshair. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you insist on being sarcastic. There is a reason why you find "crosshair hacks" that put a crosshair on the middle of your screen at all times on most cheat sites(some of which are banned for by VAC mind you). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I wouldn't use a devour crosshair if the aim wasn't so fugly. I'm sure it helps, but then again, the Onos is the 75 res creature of doom. It's not fun to spend time fumbling around with the aim trying to get it to work. I also use a crosshair for blink, web and umbra. Not to mention leap, but that's mainly so I can tell the difference between it and bite.
But that's the joy of online games. You can play on your secure servers free from any of us with crosshair 'cheats' and I can play on the servers where everyone is a little bit more... tolerant.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But that's the joy of online games. You can play on your secure servers free from any of us with crosshair 'cheats' and I can play on the servers where everyone is a little bit more... tolerant. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sadly, I cannot afford to make my own server with the attributes I wish. I have a hard time finding a server where english is understood well enough running cheating death. How on Earth do you expect me to find something so rare as a server forcing consistency, non-optional C-D, english being an understood language, ping not in the tenths of seconds?
It is bloody impossible, I would have a better chance of getting through green berett on the commodore 64 blind folded than finding such a server.
edit: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why would anyone cheat at Svencoop?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->, most cheaters I've come across(definite cheaters not suspected ones) are either n00bs who have no idea what they are doing and think no one will notice the speed hack on ~2x + blatant aimbot + ESP or total **** whos only desire is to enrage everyone by using the most obvious cheat known to mankind, team killing, exploiting the most amount of bugs possible and helping their team as little as possible while playing a Hitler speech or other racist crap over the voice comms.
Lords of Chaos server has mp_consistancy set and optional CD. But anyone owning too much without cd is usually kicked. Besides, most of the time, the top players there will have cd. They say when you join the server that if you don't have cd you have no rights on the server.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Lords of Chaos server has mp_consistancy set and optional CD. But anyone owning too much without cd is usually kicked. Besides, most of the time, the top players there will have cd. They say when you join the server that if you don't have cd you have no rights on the server.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->, most cheaters I've come across(definite cheaters not suspected ones) are either n00bs who have no idea what they are doing and think no one will notice the speed hack on ~2x + blatant aimbot + ESP or total **** whos only desire is to enrage everyone by using the most obvious cheat known to mankind, team killing, exploiting the most amount of bugs possible and helping their team as little as possible while playing a Hitler speech or other racist crap over the voice comms. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I once got to listen to a 12 year old read Mien Kampf (or however you spell it) for an hour over voice comm. He was <i>so</i> badass. I hope I can be as cool as him some day.
I think this thread is hurting more than helping. It used to be "He dosen't cheat, he is just good, besides nobody makes cheats for ns" Now I hop onto a pub and even when I do badly I had 3 guys call me names, leave, then rejoin and stack the teams. (3 vs 1) I still won but wow people will just read this and think its an OK excuse to use when its not.
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No it isn't a black and white issue, but YOU are the one acting like it is. You decided you think one thing is totally legal allthough there really isn't much but the severity of the advantage to seperate it from outright cheats such as coloured/glowing/spiked model replacements. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So what if the only difference is severity? The only difference between poking someone with a knife and stabbing them through the heart with a knife is severity. Severity makes all the difference in the world <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Obviously it isn't a big cheat and it's not something that's going to ruin the game for everyone. But it DOES give you an advantage, why else would you have it, it certainly doesn't look any nicer?
Your obviously pushing me and I didn't want to do this but here goes:
Combine a bunch of these "customizations" and suddenly play twice as well without being twice as good(I'm not kidding. Turn up the gamma, get a good set of crosshairs for all weapons, brighten player model textures a bit so they stick out more(after all it's only a bit brighter so it could be rationalized away as only a minor cheat if even that), make the muzzle flash smaller or remove entirely, change the skulk model to not display the bite animation, abuse any exploit as long as you can get away with it(such as the former flash light build and ammo exploits, wall strafe, reload the grenade launcher directly from the armory(this isn't as old as it seems, there was an exploit only a version or two back and I saw plenty enough use this one without anyone noticing/caring), the former _special - exploit bh script and pistol script, shot acid rockets through thin walls wherever applicable, marine "zig-zag" walking to gain speed, remove the devour sprite so you can see where you are while being devoured, enable a3d explicitly because you know it is bugged and lets you hear things over longer distances not because you want to use a3d but because it gives you an advantage(users must of course be able to choose their hardware as they wish, but this is quite a big advantage and it just feels cheap...), use clip bugs to "stick" to hard to reach corners while your jetpack is recharging so that you can stay out of reach of that hungry onos while you normally couldn't etc.), make certain sounds much longer so you can hear where the player is long afterwards and all the other things I forgot/never thought of).
Doing one thing like this isn't going to make much of a difference and no one will care, but grab every little advantage you can and it adds up pretty quickly even if none of them by itself is an outright cheat.
I have no problems with customization as long as it's only point isn't to make you play better, often with a big reduction of atmosphere and good looks. Customization never need add or remove things from the game that effect gameplay, they should customize things that are allready there. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I hate to put down some of you comparisons in that post Solyent but really come on. I'm an admin at a server and we do use mp_consistency becuse we dont want modle hacks and we use cd becuse we want to try to stop opengl hacks. However who dosnt zig zag or strafe walk to go faster its just smart playing and who hasnt set down on some obscure lil spot in a map when they have a jp. These are things smart players would do not hackers. Personaly i use a3d and i always just thought that it was buggy but i use it becuse of my hardware its a3d compatable and frankly i just find it anoying when im siting in the hive hearing mariens spawn for some reason and wish they would fix that. Personaly I could care less if someone has a crosshair for devour I don't but I just care about the major hacks and people conduct. This piddly stuff just seems off topic to me find a server that had cd and mp_consitency you will probley have more fun. However if you make the choice to play on a server without these you get what you expect.
I'm not talking about setting down in an obscure spot, I'm talking about sticking to the wall when there is no floor to stand on due to bugged collision, you can't even stand their you have to strafe into the corner to stick(typically <90 degree corners), this is actually usefull on some maps where there is no nearby safe spot to sit down, recharge all your fuel and reload you gun when your under attack by an onos for example.
Running in a straight line with your knife pulled(you do go a little faster with a knife) an onos is 30 units per second faster than you, wiggling strafe back and forth you are 10-20 units faster over open ground. Who on Earth would expect that to happen? Knowing obscure exploits should not be an advantage.
Unless the developers condone these they are exploits, and obscure ones at that.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->However if you make the choice to play on a server without these you get what you expect.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Choice? How do I go about finding a server with <100 ping that has both C-D and consistency as well as not populated by people who speak exclusively german, dutch, hungarian, danish, finish or some other language I don't understand?
Short of making my own server it just won't happen unless I have blind freaking luck, there is no choice here. I have enough trouble just finding a plain old C-D server matching the above.
It's easy to remove. But instead they made it BETTER(player not slowed to default run speed if they exceed 170%). Now what does that tell you?
It cannot possibly be an exploit in the HL engine because it's not even in the HL engine. The movement code that allows bunnyhopping is in pm_shared.c in the HLSDK, which means it's in the MOD code and can easily be modified by the developers.
To demonstrate just how easy it is to fix lets do it with pseudo code.
In pm_airaccelerate that allows air acceleration do this:
Calculate and store speed, let original code run.
If speed is below say 10% of player run speed set the new velocity to the one the original code would have produced. (this allows players to jump up on boxes from stationary)
Else, if speed has not increased set the velocity to the one the original code produced.(this allows air braking)
Else, if speed has increased, take the new velocity and crop it down so no speed has been gained.(this removes any speed gain from strafe-jumping). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What about leap?
Erm, Flayra approved aliens using bunny hopping, he wanted it in the game for a reason.
If you're suggesting to use leap to gain some speed and then keep jumping to keep it you can certainly play with the friction, say 10% friction everytime you land no matter how fast you jump, in only a few jumps you would be back to normal running speed.
Leaping consumes alot of energy and was intended to be fast so I see no problem with it as is even if you wanted to remove bunnyhopping.
If you wanted to entirely prevent this you could easily look at pm_jump and crop the horisontal velocity to 100% if the player exceeds it and succesfully jumps(this doesn't look funny when you can't gain speed through strafe jumping).
It's easy to remove. But instead they made it BETTER(player not slowed to default run speed if they exceed 170%). Now what does that tell you?
It cannot possibly be an exploit in the HL engine because it's not even in the HL engine. The movement code that allows bunnyhopping is in pm_shared.c in the HLSDK, which means it's in the MOD code and can easily be modified by the developers.
To demonstrate just how easy it is to fix lets do it with pseudo code.
In pm_airaccelerate that allows air acceleration do this:
Calculate and store (edit: horisontal) speed, let original code run.
If speed is below say 10% of player run speed set the new velocity to the one the original code would have produced. (this allows players to jump up on boxes from stationary)
Else, if speed has not increased set the velocity to the one the original code produced.(this allows air braking)
Else, if speed has increased, take the new velocity and crop (edit: the horisontal bits) of it down so no speed has been gained.(this removes any speed gain from strafe-jumping).
Thanks for all this post, ppl should know about hacking and modifiying ns...servers that don't accept foreign models is a good idea...but i wanna keap my Doom Hangun!!!
Shh, it's a cheatsite <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, and apparently I made one of the 'cheats' on there. Excuse me while I repent for my devour crosshair. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Shh, it's a cheatsite <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, and apparently I made one of the 'cheats' on there. Excuse me while I repent for my devour crosshair. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you insist on being sarcastic. There is a reason why you find "crosshair hacks" that put a crosshair on the middle of your screen at all times on most cheat sites(some of which are banned for by VAC mind you).
Shh, it's a cheatsite <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, and apparently I made one of the 'cheats' on there. Excuse me while I repent for my devour crosshair. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you insist on being sarcastic. There is a reason why you find "crosshair hacks" that put a crosshair on the middle of your screen at all times on most cheat sites(some of which are banned for by VAC mind you). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I wouldn't use a devour crosshair if the aim wasn't so fugly. I'm sure it helps, but then again, the Onos is the 75 res creature of doom. It's not fun to spend time fumbling around with the aim trying to get it to work. I also use a crosshair for blink, web and umbra. Not to mention leap, but that's mainly so I can tell the difference between it and bite.
But that's the joy of online games. You can play on your secure servers free from any of us with crosshair 'cheats' and I can play on the servers where everyone is a little bit more... tolerant.
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Sadly, I cannot afford to make my own server with the attributes I wish. I have a hard time finding a server where english is understood well enough running cheating death. How on Earth do you expect me to find something so rare as a server forcing consistency, non-optional C-D, english being an understood language, ping not in the tenths of seconds?
It is bloody impossible, I would have a better chance of getting through green berett on the commodore 64 blind folded than finding such a server.
edit: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Why would anyone cheat at Svencoop?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->, most cheaters I've come across(definite cheaters not suspected ones) are either n00bs who have no idea what they are doing and think no one will notice the speed hack on ~2x + blatant aimbot + ESP or total **** whos only desire is to enrage everyone by using the most obvious cheat known to mankind, team killing, exploiting the most amount of bugs possible and helping their team as little as possible while playing a Hitler speech or other racist crap over the voice comms.
Good try but ~200 ms ping simply isn't fun.
I once got to listen to a 12 year old read Mien Kampf (or however you spell it) for an hour over voice comm. He was <i>so</i> badass. I hope I can be as cool as him some day.
<span style='color:red'>***Locked.***</span>