Oh No! Another Bunnyhop Thread

v4rAv4rA Join Date: 2003-11-28 Member: 23672Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">why is everyone asking how to bunnyhop</div> I dont really think that bh in pubs is so important as lot of u guys say, i know really cool ppl who kills a lot marines whithout bh, only with aim and ambushes, and as far as i see, there is nowadays a lot of newbies trying to bh. They just go trying to bh directly to three marines in cargo(tanith). I mean like, are u crazy or what, do u really think that bunnyhop kills ppl?
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  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    only use I have for bhop is to scram as a gorge when under attack.
    also hopping towards a location fast, as gorge, is great.

    Anything else its walk or a attack
  • Natural_TekkaNatural_Tekka Join Date: 2004-04-28 Member: 28293Members
    well i havfen't exactly "mastered" bh yet but i normally just use it down long hallways and stuff to get around faster
    that is what most ppl use it for, to get around faster
  • UnknownUnknown Join Date: 1970-01-01 Member:
    I don't quite see the point of thread...you're complaining that "nubs" try to bhop in pubs? and validating how worthwile it is? it is worth while to "master" it as you put it, it helps quite a bit I'd say but @ the same time no, it dosen't kill people like ya said...
  • Bob_the_AlienBob_the_Alien Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 135Members
    If you can get past 150% you can get up to most pub marines and bite em before they kill you.
  • WarriorWarrior Join Date: 2003-02-16 Member: 13624Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-v4rA+May 4 2004, 04:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (v4rA @ May 4 2004, 04:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont really think that bh in pubs is so important as lot of u guys say, i know really cool ppl who kills a lot marines whithout bh, only with aim and ambushes, and as far as i see, there is nowadays a lot of newbies trying to bh. They just go trying to bh directly to three marines in cargo(tanith). I mean like, are u crazy or what, do u really think that bunnyhop kills ppl? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    people think it will make them godly cause they saw clanners do it. They dont understand that it wont help vs a marine who can aim. It works in a pub cause well most marines just cant aim that well.
  • maruchan1maruchan1 Join Date: 2004-03-11 Member: 27280Banned
    bhops is a good way to get from point A -> B quicker than just running.
  • NikonNikon Join Date: 2003-09-29 Member: 21313Members, Constellation
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-maruchan!+May 4 2004, 06:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (maruchan! @ May 4 2004, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->bhops is a good way to get from point A -> B quicker than just running.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OMG!!!! MAR!!!! HI!!!!!!! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Act_ChillAct_Chill Join Date: 2003-04-24 Member: 15816Members
    On 1v1 bh will own the marine. 2 marines versus 1 skulk it will give the skulk a chance. 3 marines vs 1 skulk the skulk should use bh to get the hell out of there asap.
  • GeronimoGeronimo Join Date: 2002-12-18 Member: 11056Members
    If bunnyhopping isnt useful in combat, how come every single player with skills use it?
  • BOBDololBOBDolol Join Date: 2003-10-04 Member: 21431Members
    um no, 1v1 bhop will not own the marine

    a skulk would never ever win against a skilled marine when facing him head on
  • DuoTheGodOfDeathDuoTheGodOfDeath NY, Japan, Arizona, Florida Join Date: 2003-08-17 Member: 19877Members
    Whether your Bunny Hopping right will sometimes determine if you'll get a kill easily. As an example: Seeing a player such as a cri or exigent member they BH as if they have clerety when they really dont. So at times it can be a pain to hit them.

    But BHing is really only as good as the Marine can aim. If that Marine can't aim then well hes dead.

    I personally at times do not like BHing and at times like camping. When I know its safe i'll BH to position quick. I havent perfected it yet but im getting faster. A lot of times I like camping in spots Marines wouldnt expect a skulk to be.

    Example: Standing by the wall near an opening and hearing the Marine come then jump him with suprised usually ='s a kill.
  • TrevelyanTrevelyan Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14834Members
    I wish they'd just give skulks a base speed buff and remove Bhopping... as if NS needs a bigger gap between the newbies and the clanners.
  • BOBDololBOBDolol Join Date: 2003-10-04 Member: 21431Members
  • Bob_the_AlienBob_the_Alien Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 135Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+May 6 2004, 08:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ May 6 2004, 08:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wish they'd just give skulks a base speed buff and remove Bhopping... as if NS needs a bigger gap between the newbies and the clanners. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There are plenty of games out there that take no skill and have little progression. Go play them.
  • Slow_SmurfSlow_Smurf Join Date: 2004-04-03 Member: 27702Members
    There is plenty of skill without bunning hopping. If its a feature, the guide should include information on how to do it, no?
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+May 6 2004, 06:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ May 6 2004, 06:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wish they'd just give skulks a base speed buff and remove Bhopping... as if NS needs a bigger gap between the newbies and the clanners. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It isnt fair that you have to learn to bhop to be faster!

    Just make the skulks/gorges a bit faster yea <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • VenomLordVenomLord Join Date: 2003-08-04 Member: 18868Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zaggy+May 7 2004, 05:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zaggy @ May 7 2004, 05:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+May 6 2004, 06:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ May 6 2004, 06:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wish they'd just give skulks a base speed buff and remove Bhopping... as if NS needs a bigger gap between the newbies and the clanners. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It isnt fair that you have to learn to bhop to be faster!

    Just make the skulks/gorges a bit faster yea <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    thats like saying it isnt fair that you have to learn to aim so everyone should get autoaim <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • StakhanovStakhanov Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14448Members
    Yet an other pointless debate going to be locked , but I'll stick to my argument that bh isn't needed in a teamplay game such as NS. Aiming and prediction cover the skill part more than enough.
  • Bob_the_AlienBob_the_Alien Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 135Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Stakhanov+May 7 2004, 09:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stakhanov @ May 7 2004, 09:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yet an other pointless debate going to be locked , but I'll stick to my argument that bh isn't needed in a teamplay game such as NS. Aiming and prediction cover the skill part more than enough. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Good thing the game is made so marines are team play based and aliens are for the death matchers. Otherwise you might have been right!
  • TrevelyanTrevelyan Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14834Members
    if you think aliens can rambo and solo and still win your insane. If anything the aliens now require more teamwork then the marines
  • e_Nadagaste_Nadagast Join Date: 2003-10-30 Member: 22149Members
    edited May 2004
    Wow I really hate how people think that they are better than a deathmatcher because they use 'teamplay' on a pub. Or that NS is somehow a better (not better as in a more liked game but better as in if you play it you're somehow 'better' than people who play DM games) game because you need to stick together. It's an opinion people. It doesn't mean that people who play DM games are mindless and stupid, it just means they prefer a different game. You are no better/worse than they are.

    I admit I like the teamplay aspect of NS (although vs good marines, skulks need unbelievably sexy teamplay or need improvements), but that doesn't give me the right to look down upon people who play CS (which uses just as much if not more teamplay than NS) or UT or any other game.


    Edit: And for the love of God stop whining that bhop isn't in the manual. Try google.
  • KeyserKeyser Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13591Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-e.Nadagast+May 7 2004, 02:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (e.Nadagast @ May 7 2004, 02:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow I really hate how people think that they are better than a deathmatcher because they use 'teamplay' on a pub. Or that NS is somehow a better (not better as in a more liked game but better as in if you play it you're somehow 'better' than people who play DM games) game because you need to stick together. It's an opinion people. It doesn't mean that people who play DM games are mindless and stupid, it just means they prefer a different game. You are no better/worse than they are.

    I admit I like the teamplay aspect of NS (although vs good marines, skulks need unbelievably sexy teamplay or need improvements), but that doesn't give me the right to look down upon people who play CS (which uses just as much if not more teamplay than NS) or UT or any other game.


    Edit: And for the love of God stop whining that bhop isn't in the manual. Try google. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Where did somebody say that deathmatch games are better than teamplay games?

    And whenever they come out with the next NS version, bunnyhopping should probably be in the manual because it is now a widely known feature of the game.
  • Bob_the_AlienBob_the_Alien Join Date: 2002-01-30 Member: 135Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+May 7 2004, 03:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ May 7 2004, 03:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if you think aliens can rambo and solo and still win your insane. If anything the aliens now require more teamwork then the marines <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Sorry, I am just repeating WHAT THE DEVS SAID.
  • e_Nadagaste_Nadagast Join Date: 2003-10-30 Member: 22149Members
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Bob the Alien+May 7 2004, 12:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bob the Alien @ May 7 2004, 12:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+May 7 2004, 03:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ May 7 2004, 03:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> if you think aliens can rambo and solo and still win your insane. If anything the aliens now require more teamwork then the marines <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Sorry, I am just repeating WHAT THE DEVS SAID. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The devs aren't always right <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    And Keyser, nobody said DM games are better than teamplay games, but on lots of posts on these boards it's implied that because NS takes teamwork it somehow makes you a better person than people who play DM games or CS (they wrongly assume that CS takes no teamwork).
  • UnknownUnknown Join Date: 1970-01-01 Member:
    <!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+May 6 2004, 06:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ May 6 2004, 06:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wish they'd just give skulks a base speed buff and remove Bhopping... as if NS needs a bigger gap between the newbies and the clanners. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    a speed buffer WTH? what happens when you get celerity plus this "speed bufer huh"? jumping from left to right would be no diffirent then bunhopping maxed out, that is if this buffer was at all of an improvmetn on the current speed for skulks
  • Jean_Luc_PicardJean_Luc_Picard Join Date: 2003-02-03 Member: 13051Members
    I don't know how to b-hop... and I still normally have a 3-1 ratio as an alien


    SCREW b-hopping... all it does is make noise...
  • SamahSamah Australia Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16286Members, Constellation
    For god's sake people stop the whinging about bunnyhopping.

    You don't NEED to bhop to be a good player. It's just a technique that some people use. It shouldn't be removed because that would be unfair to all the people who use it in their playing style. Adding it to the manual would just be plain silly, as it would simply reinforce the false assumption that all good players can bhop, and all players who can bhop are good.

    If you can do it, do it. If you can't, stop complaining - NS is about teamwork, coordination, concentration and practice, NOT bunnyhopping.

    As stated in the topic of this thread, there are WAAYYYY too many bhop threads in these forums. Flayra has already stated that it won't be removed, and I'm sure many/all of the people who can do it are sick of posting instructions, so I humbly request that the moderators lock any and all existing and future bhop threads, starting with this one.
  • NGENGE Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22443Members
    People see this- A good player happens to know how to bunnyhop. He knows that they can't aim well. He Bhops at the others, and due to poor aim, he kills them. They assume that because he can Bhop, he is "OMG INVAINCABEL" and want to learn how to do that so they can be "Immune to bullets" as well. They fail to realize that movement skill is just as important as aim- Improving your movement ability as an alien is just as important as improving your aim as a rine.



    And btw, as messed up as this seems, the aliens *do* need more teamwork than the rines, it's just how it works right now.
  • TrevelyanTrevelyan Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14834Members
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-ChkChkChk+May 9 2004, 12:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ChkChkChk @ May 9 2004, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+May 6 2004, 06:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ May 6 2004, 06:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I wish they'd just give skulks a base speed buff and remove Bhopping... as if NS needs a bigger gap between the newbies and the clanners. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    a speed buffer WTH? what happens when you get celerity plus this "speed bufer huh"? <b>jumping from left to right would be no diffirent then bunhopping maxed out,</b> that is if this buffer was at all of an improvmetn on the current speed for skulks <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Correct... It would be exactly the same... except EVERYONE gets the speed buff... not just you. It seems as though people who know how to B-hop just simply dont want others getting the same benifits as them.

    Imagine if there was a 34 button combination to gestate to onos... Would you simply call everyone who couldn't do it quick/accurately enough a newbie? No you'd say "WTH why do i have to do this stupid button combo just to gestate to onos." So... why do I have to jump around like an idiot to get the same speed boost as you?

    whining... i dont see any whining other then by those who are trying to protect their tiny advantage from newbies.
  • SamahSamah Australia Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16286Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+May 11 2004, 08:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ May 11 2004, 08:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->whining... i dont see any whining other then by those who are trying to protect their tiny advantage from newbies.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm quite happy for others to get the speed advantage. But just because someone can't bhop doesn't give them the right to deny it from others who can.

    Here's a good example: rocket jumping.
    It's a widely used technique in many games, it's not documented in the manuals for those games, it gives an advantage over those who can't do it, and for the new player who sees others doing it, it can be quite difficult. Of course how do people learn to rocket jump properly? By asking others and by googling. If rocket jumping gives an undocumented advantage over other players, then shouldn't it also be removed, or made "easier"? ie. have a key binding built into the game called "rocket jump" which switches to rocket launcher, fires and jumps at the right timing.

    Bunnyhopping is part of the game, Flayra has said he ain't removing it, deal with it.
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