KungFuSquirrelBasher of MuttonsJoin Date: 2002-01-26Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
<!--QuoteBegin-Schimmel+Apr 7 2004, 05:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Schimmel @ Apr 7 2004, 05:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I also would like to see the old readyroom back from 1.04. It just looked better and a RR is just a place to stay in and not to play in.
I guess you made the higher RR for JetPack and Lerk fun? It isn´t that fun to idle in the RR, so pls change it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Quite frankly, the old ready room made me want to vomit. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I found it to be one of the ugliest pieces of a map I had ever made and I hated it far more than I have ever hated all versions of Maintenance combined. And no, the point of the new one is not for 'playing.' I specifically wanted a sort of before and after feel - I thought it'd be cool to take an infested part of the map and clean it up for a sense of "this is what Eclipse Station USED to be..." With time it's become clear that that idea is completely wasted, but there's no way I'm switching it back.
As for the MS, that's another thing that I absolutely hated. Hell, the old one was technically -placeholder- until 2.0 came out! heh... I may see if there's a way to sort of mix the two together (I've even considered replacing the old doors just for the hell of it), but it's another area that isn't likely to revert much.
SewlekThe programmer previously known as SchimmelJoin Date: 2003-05-13Member: 16247Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Developer
<!--QuoteBegin-KungFuSquirrel+Apr 7 2004, 07:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuSquirrel @ Apr 7 2004, 07:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Schimmel+Apr 7 2004, 05:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Schimmel @ Apr 7 2004, 05:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I also would like to see the old readyroom back from 1.04. It just looked better and a RR is just a place to stay in and not to play in.
I guess you made the higher RR for JetPack and Lerk fun? It isn´t that fun to idle in the RR, so pls change it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Quite frankly, the old ready room made me want to vomit. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I found it to be one of the ugliest pieces of a map I had ever made and I hated it far more than I have ever hated all versions of Maintenance combined. And no, the point of the new one is not for 'playing.' I specifically wanted a sort of before and after feel - I thought it'd be cool to take an infested part of the map and clean it up for a sense of "this is what Eclipse Station USED to be..." With time it's become clear that that idea is completely wasted, but there's no way I'm switching it back.
As for the MS, that's another thing that I absolutely hated. Hell, the old one was technically -placeholder- until 2.0 came out! heh... I may see if there's a way to sort of mix the two together (I've even considered replacing the old doors just for the hell of it), but it's another area that isn't likely to revert much. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> then you also could use the Eclipse Hive <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> It´s big enough and you could use the 2 entries for Team Selection and make 2 others for spectate and random team.
yeah use eclipse hive! I´m convinced about this idea now
I'm waiting for veil and nothing changes now <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Now that I think about it, the reason those pipes in triad look funny is the way they end at the wall lab texture so abruptly. Maybe you could put a flat circular plate where each pipe attaches to the wall with a circular "bolted" texture on(you do have the w_polys to spare judging from b3 eclipse)?
edit: btw one of the really cool things about eclipse is that it manages to look really cool even though it has very nice w_poly counts in most situations.
KungFuSquirrelBasher of MuttonsJoin Date: 2002-01-26Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
<!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+Apr 7 2004, 10:27 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Apr 7 2004, 10:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now that I think about it, the reason those pipes in triad look funny is the way they end at the wall lab texture so abruptly. Maybe you could put a flat circular plate where each pipe attaches to the wall with a circular "bolted" texture on(you do have the w_polys to spare judging from b3 eclipse)? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's part of the plan, but since they're experimental right now I'm less concerned with the full detailing of them right now - easier to destroy them later if I so choose <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-MrMojo+Apr 7 2004, 09:34 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MrMojo @ Apr 7 2004, 09:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm waiting for veil and nothing changes now <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nothing was made by Ken20Banks who I haven't seen around in awhile, don't hold your breathe for changes there.
As for Veil, I like it, a lot. I don't think anything needs changing to speak of...
The new changes look good Kung Fu, I also liked Triad that blue color though. The RR doesn't bother me, I like it and the MS has grown on me from the ancient days of 1.04, don't change it. (Relocating to the other side of MS is funny... skulks rush in and hop up that wall and get pistol-whipped, or they just sit there and go "WTH?" hehehe
InsaneAnomalyJoin Date: 2002-05-13Member: 605Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts, Future Perfect Developer
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Apr 7 2004, 05:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Apr 7 2004, 05:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nothing was made by Ken20Banks who I haven't seen around in awhile, don't hold your breathe for changes there. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ken gave Nothing to KFS to look after when he went to work at Raven.
KungFuSquirrelBasher of MuttonsJoin Date: 2002-01-26Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Didn't you notice the changes in ns_nothing for 2.0? Those were me. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Well, some Ken and some me. He made a few before he left for Raven. But yeah. It's been in my hands for some time now. Get with the times already. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
w00t <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> /me dies x.X Very nice i love u Kong Fu <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Nothing was made by Ken20Banks who I haven't seen around in awhile, don't hold your breathe for changes there. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He apperas to still be reading the forums though, I saw him earlier if "Ken20Banks" is his exact forum name.
KungFuSquirrelBasher of MuttonsJoin Date: 2002-01-26Member: 103Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
His real name, actually. He had an uncle named 20. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> (I kid, I kid)
i really like the return of the skylights. nice work <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The vent changes near south loop are highly intriuging, and dare I say needed. I'm very impressed with how well they integrate into the idea of the area that is imprinted in my brain.
is it bad every word in the above was missspelled when i finished typing it? in cluding the word "I"
More vents is always a good news <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Will triad be more or less bright than the triad now? One of the greatest things of ns_eclipse is that it stayed dark between 1.04 and 2.0. Dim lights really add to the atmosphere and its kinda scary buidling an rt in triad when your alone.
But what I don't like is the change to Triad, seems less atmospheirc and looks more like 'meh, RT please' but it could be just me. Who knows? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And of course, nice changes for MS, but I definitely hope that doesn't mean easier spots for marine shooting skulks taht are running in. There was always a problem with that when marines were covering both sides. Skulks never stood a chance that day :O
I for one am in favor of the veiw blocking in triad... dont know how I feel about the lighting change though... the blue used to emphisize triad apart from the rest of the map, which I always liked, it built suspence as you moved in towards the dark and scary eclipse. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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I agree with everyone else. Bright triad is bad. I don't mind the view blocking, but triad really did have quite an atmospheric feeling to it... And I've used the darkness in there so many times, as both marine and alien. I've hidden in the dark so I could sneak up on a fade, i've waited above a pipe waiting to ambush... That place was just so nice before. I really don't like the idea of it becoming lit...
And whoever said the eclipse hive should be the ready room... it makes sense.
I mean, the map <i>is</i> ns_eclipse.
One thing that really bugs me about the readyroom at the moment is how they filled the bottom exit with concrete or something, and it just seems odd.
Eclipse hive would be great.... you could even put a ladder to the left of where the hive goes (when facing the rt), right in that little dark corner, and make it go to observe match thing... ooo... ideas.
ok. lol.
so observe match goes there with a ladder leading up to a hole.
the southern exit would become Random Team.
to hte north, i think you should make it so that you can go in that hallway, and if you follow it towards computer core, it turns you alien, and if you go towards triad, it turns you marine...
It would be really nice if you made it look like the rooms were actually there, rather then just adding darkness.... maybe even make it so you actually can get into the triad bit using the vent, and that could be the secret room or something <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-KungFuSquirrel+Apr 7 2004, 07:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (KungFuSquirrel @ Apr 7 2004, 07:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As for the MS, that's another thing that I absolutely hated. Hell, the old one was technically -placeholder- until 2.0 came out! heh... I may see if there's a way to sort of mix the two together (I've even considered replacing the old doors just for the hell of it), but it's another area that isn't likely to revert much. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Please try bringing back the doors. I really miss doors and such from the original ns maps. And if you do, make the open autolmatically again, no switches. I know alot was cut for optimization, but I miss it all.
Lighter traid is better. If you want a darker map cut down on your brightness.
Seriously, traid looked so out of place from the rest of the map which is all bright and stuff and it looks pretty bad.
Not only does a dark traid look goofy, but traid is also the most alien based spot on the map, complete with 5 entry ways, 2 vents, a high ceiling, a complex ceiling, perfect curves for bhopping, and dark on top of that? It's overkill.
If any place is made darker, then it should be maintence. That place is seriously a marine slaughter house, it wouldn't hurt to see some atmosphere added to that section of the map, not to mention make it a tad harder to track skulks in a giant wide open hive room.
Only had 1 way to go imho, still, asthetically dazzling as always KFS, gj <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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I guess you made the higher RR for JetPack and Lerk fun? It isn´t that fun to idle in the RR, so pls change it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quite frankly, the old ready room made me want to vomit. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I found it to be one of the ugliest pieces of a map I had ever made and I hated it far more than I have ever hated all versions of Maintenance combined. And no, the point of the new one is not for 'playing.' I specifically wanted a sort of before and after feel - I thought it'd be cool to take an infested part of the map and clean it up for a sense of "this is what Eclipse Station USED to be..." With time it's become clear that that idea is completely wasted, but there's no way I'm switching it back.
As for the MS, that's another thing that I absolutely hated. Hell, the old one was technically -placeholder- until 2.0 came out! heh... I may see if there's a way to sort of mix the two together (I've even considered replacing the old doors just for the hell of it), but it's another area that isn't likely to revert much.
didn't actually read the above post properly <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I guess you made the higher RR for JetPack and Lerk fun? It isn´t that fun to idle in the RR, so pls change it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Quite frankly, the old ready room made me want to vomit. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I found it to be one of the ugliest pieces of a map I had ever made and I hated it far more than I have ever hated all versions of Maintenance combined. And no, the point of the new one is not for 'playing.' I specifically wanted a sort of before and after feel - I thought it'd be cool to take an infested part of the map and clean it up for a sense of "this is what Eclipse Station USED to be..." With time it's become clear that that idea is completely wasted, but there's no way I'm switching it back.
As for the MS, that's another thing that I absolutely hated. Hell, the old one was technically -placeholder- until 2.0 came out! heh... I may see if there's a way to sort of mix the two together (I've even considered replacing the old doors just for the hell of it), but it's another area that isn't likely to revert much. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
then you also could use the Eclipse Hive <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
It´s big enough and you could use the 2 entries for Team Selection and make 2 others for spectate and random team.
yeah use eclipse hive! I´m convinced about this idea now
edit: btw one of the really cool things about eclipse is that it manages to look really cool even though it has very nice w_poly counts in most situations.
That's part of the plan, but since they're experimental right now I'm less concerned with the full detailing of them right now - easier to destroy them later if I so choose <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Nothing was made by Ken20Banks who I haven't seen around in awhile, don't hold your breathe for changes there.
As for Veil, I like it, a lot. I don't think anything needs changing to speak of...
The new changes look good Kung Fu, I also liked Triad that blue color though. The RR doesn't bother me, I like it and the MS has grown on me from the ancient days of 1.04, don't change it. (Relocating to the other side of MS is funny... skulks rush in and hop up that wall and get pistol-whipped, or they just sit there and go "WTH?" hehehe
Fun stuff.
~ DarkATi
Ken gave Nothing to KFS to look after when he went to work at Raven.
/me dies x.X
Very nice i love u
Kong Fu <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
He apperas to still be reading the forums though, I saw him earlier if "Ken20Banks" is his exact forum name.
is it bad every word in the above was missspelled when i finished typing it? in cluding the word "I"
But what I don't like is the change to Triad, seems less atmospheirc and looks more like 'meh, RT please' but it could be just me. Who knows? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And of course, nice changes for MS, but I definitely hope that doesn't mean easier spots for marine shooting skulks taht are running in. There was always a problem with that when marines were covering both sides. Skulks never stood a chance that day :O
And whoever said the eclipse hive should be the ready room... it makes sense.
I mean, the map <i>is</i> ns_eclipse.
One thing that really bugs me about the readyroom at the moment is how they filled the bottom exit with concrete or something, and it just seems odd.
Eclipse hive would be great.... you could even put a ladder to the left of where the hive goes (when facing the rt), right in that little dark corner, and make it go to observe match thing... ooo... ideas.
ok. lol.
so observe match goes there with a ladder leading up to a hole.
the southern exit would become Random Team.
to hte north, i think you should make it so that you can go in that hallway, and if you follow it towards computer core, it turns you alien, and if you go towards triad, it turns you marine...
It would be really nice if you made it look like the rooms were actually there, rather then just adding darkness.... maybe even make it so you actually can get into the triad bit using the vent, and that could be the secret room or something <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Please try bringing back the doors. I really miss doors and such from the original ns maps. And if you do, make the open autolmatically again, no switches. I know alot was cut for optimization, but I miss it all.
Seriously, traid looked so out of place from the rest of the map which is all bright and stuff and it looks pretty bad.
Not only does a dark traid look goofy, but traid is also the most alien based spot on the map, complete with 5 entry ways, 2 vents, a high ceiling, a complex ceiling, perfect curves for bhopping, and dark on top of that? It's overkill.
If any place is made darker, then it should be maintence. That place is seriously a marine slaughter house, it wouldn't hurt to see some atmosphere added to that section of the map, not to mention make it a tad harder to track skulks in a giant wide open hive room.