<!--quoteo(post=1575187:date=Nov 10 2006, 01:47 AM:name=SkulkBait)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SkulkBait @ Nov 10 2006, 01:47 AM) [snapback]1575187[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Well, you sorta buy it for the music. I mean, when you get right down to it, GH is basically just an advanced form of <a href="http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Air_guitar" target="_blank">air guitar</a>. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Because everyone plays air guitar for what it sounds like <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
I was under the impression that the main attraction of guitar hero is that it lets the average non-guitar-playing guy be, well, a guitar hero (hell, that's what the attraction is for me). Being able to rock out without going through the effort required to actually learn an instrument? Perfect. It <i>is</i> air guitar, except with a guitar. Having rockin songs to rock out to is part of the point.
<!--quoteo(post=1575306:date=Nov 9 2006, 07:24 PM:name=SkulkBait)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SkulkBait @ Nov 9 2006, 07:24 PM) [snapback]1575306[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> You can use the PS->USB connector with the GH guitar and FoF. Unfortunatly FoF is just a painfully bad imitation of GH, so why bother? <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo(post=1575211:date=Nov 9 2006, 11:59 AM:name=Talesin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Talesin @ Nov 9 2006, 11:59 AM) [snapback]1575211[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I'd disagree. When you hit Hard, the notes come fast enough that you can't think any more, your fingers just *try* to get to the notes in time <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The intent is to train at an instinctual level. To build muscle endurance, muscle memory, and note reading speed as quickly as possible.
The perfect example is me versus my brother. He decided to go through easy, then medium, and every once in a while I can get him to go to hard for multiplayer. Whereas I went through easy, then half of hard, then to expert. I can absolutely demolish him at any level with the same amount of play time under our belts.
Having songs to rock out to IS the point. Exercise for today: Point out and discuss the fallacy in the following statement: "When I play music, I play to win."
I agree with the sentiment towards enjoying the songs more than enjoying the challenge. Though I still only play on Expert. It feels like you're actually playing that way, you know? With lower difficulties when you're only playing one note yet the game plays 3 or 4, it ruins the immersion for me. Yes, initially on Expert you are mostly concerned with hitting everything and less so about enjoying the music, but eventually you get to where you can do the song very well w/o concentrating too hard. Then you're in the sweet spot: It feels like you're actually playing AND you get to enjoy the music.
On a side note, somehow I managed to beat Misirlou on Expert tonight. :O :O :O
<!--quoteo(post=1575630:date=Nov 10 2006, 05:23 PM:name=MrMojo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MrMojo @ Nov 10 2006, 05:23 PM) [snapback]1575630[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> why dont you just get a real guitar <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--quoteo(post=1575630:date=Nov 10 2006, 11:23 PM:name=MrMojo)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MrMojo @ Nov 10 2006, 11:23 PM) [snapback]1575630[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> why dont you just get a real guitar <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> Less fun.
<!--quoteo(post=1575694:date=Nov 10 2006, 07:53 PM:name=ZiGGY)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ZiGGY @ Nov 10 2006, 07:53 PM) [snapback]1575694[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> man how long have you had that sig nor briktal, dont tell me cause I actually do know lol <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo(post=1575211:date=Nov 9 2006, 11:59 AM:name=Talesin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Talesin @ Nov 9 2006, 11:59 AM) [snapback]1575211[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I'd disagree. When you hit Hard, the notes come fast enough that you can't think any more, your fingers just *try* to get to the notes in time, and through some passages, the only way to tell if you succeeded or failed is by checking your score multiplier. You aren't thinking, you aren't improving, you're just madly scrambling to try to get to the notes in time.
Going through Medium (or even Easy) and just five-star Perfecting all of the songs is a good way to get into the swing. I'd suggest Medium, so you don't get too used to only using three fingers up top. But stick with the low end ones until you can at least perfect /one/. Then go up to the higher venue set list, and keep practicing. By the time you're able to Perfect one of the songs in the last venue, you'll do very well in the intro to Hard, where they re-teach you how to play (thankfully for the last time) introducing the orange button and hand-shifting becomes neccessary. Again, practice until you can Perfect one song in the current venue. Then progress. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm getting pretty decent at hard, but for some reason the intro to Sweet Child o' Mine still kills me half the time. Haven't even 4-starred a hard song. I'm not even that inaccurate, I just get so lost in the note swarms.
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<!--quoteo(post=1575768:date=Nov 10 2006, 09:46 PM:name=Testament)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Testament @ Nov 10 2006, 09:46 PM) [snapback]1575768[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> I'm getting pretty decent at hard, but for some reason the intro to Sweet Child o' Mine still kills me half the time. Haven't even 4-starred a hard song. I'm not even that inaccurate, I just get so lost in the note swarms. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I did amazingly on that intro. You're doing your hitons and pulloffs, right? Their practically required for that.
And remember: Don't think. Seeing a lot of notes means nothing. Instinct.
For a more worthwhile tip...put it down for a few hours, and go back. I remember I stopped playing at Bark at the Moon on GH1...came back and 5 starred it 2 days later.
Never even managed to finish BatM on expert. The timing is just too funky and my hands won't cooperate.
I almost wish they could have put "Crush my Battleoponent's Balls" in GH2. I'd just want to see if anyone can actually play it with any success. (if you haven't heard it: <a href="http://mp3download.myspace.com/music.ashx?bandid=66393725&songid=30160453&name=66393725_876d500d" target="_blank">link</a>). My hands hurt just thinking about it.
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<!--quoteo(post=1575773:date=Nov 10 2006, 09:57 PM:name=SkulkBait)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SkulkBait @ Nov 10 2006, 09:57 PM) [snapback]1575773[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--> Never even managed to finish BatM on expert. The timing is just too funky and my hands won't cooperate.
I almost wish they could have put "Crush my Battleoponent's Balls" in GH2. I'd just want to see if anyone can actually play it with any success. (if you haven't heard it: <a href="http://mp3download.myspace.com/music.ashx?bandid=66393725&songid=30160453&name=66393725_876d500d" target="_blank">link</a>). My hands hurt just thinking about it. <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Once you got your mind past the speed, it doesn't seem like it'd be too hard...lots of repetition.
I don't know about you, but I'm not a robot so my fingers don't move that fast. In fact, I'm fairly certaint that if you take into acount their sausage-like mass they'd be even slower than an average human's.
Howso? I hear the music just fine playing on Expert, and it even helps me play most of the time. The buttons become instinctual- easily a part of the way you look at the game. You see a 3 second span with 6 notes in it all up and down the fret board, some hitons/pulloffs and some normal, and you know exactly how to do it without thinking. You don't think, "Blue green yellow orange orange red green blue", you think "dundundundundundundundudnundundundudn" as its just a part of you.
Seriously. Try going on Hard/Expert and just upping the difficulty. You'll slowly sink into it. Happened to me in DDR, too- sooner or later its just steps.
Well, you replied to a long, well-thought-out post with the three words "No, not really." I didn't feel that it deserved more of an answer than "wrong."
But now that you've made a better post, allow me to answer in kind: If I were to up the difficulty to expert now, I wouldn't get through the songs, and I certainly wouldn't hit enough notes to make them sound good. Meanwhile, the songs sound great on medium, and the harder songs are difficult enough to keep me busy. I don't see the incentive to up the difficulty. I have little to gain by it, and much to lose.
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Still following my usual route and churning through Medium. Some challenges, but I've been mostly five-starring the songs as I go. A welcome change since my first time through GH1. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" /> Still can't deal with Expert.. even on the simplest songs, I end up losing at around 9% completion. Managed to nail the very first song on Hard, but only a three-star. Just need more practice.
On a related note, the Medium songs in GH2 are MUCH better for teaching you how to properly use hammer-ons and pull-offs, making it more instinctual when you go to a higher difficulty level. Some sections pretty much force you to use them, and instantly become painfully simple compared to the frantic finger-dance of trying to strum every note. :b
And yeah. Repetition seems to be the easiest way to screw up for some reason. The complicated patterns where your fingers are just moving are getting to be easy.. it's the over and over GRY patterns that always make me miss my timing... usually trying to hit a note early, or setting my fingers on autopilot and having them forget where they're supposed to be at the moment.
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Well, you sorta buy it for the music. I mean, when you get right down to it, GH is basically just an advanced form of <a href="http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Air_guitar" target="_blank">air guitar</a>.
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Because everyone plays air guitar for what it sounds like <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
I was under the impression that the main attraction of guitar hero is that it lets the average non-guitar-playing guy be, well, a guitar hero (hell, that's what the attraction is for me). Being able to rock out without going through the effort required to actually learn an instrument? Perfect. It <i>is</i> air guitar, except with a guitar. Having rockin songs to rock out to is part of the point.
You can use the PS->USB connector with the GH guitar and FoF. Unfortunatly FoF is just a painfully bad imitation of GH, so why bother?
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Because you can add your <i>own songs</i> baby.
I'd disagree. When you hit Hard, the notes come fast enough that you can't think any more, your fingers just *try* to get to the notes in time
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The intent is to train at an instinctual level. To build muscle endurance, muscle memory, and note reading speed as quickly as possible.
The perfect example is me versus my brother. He decided to go through easy, then medium, and every once in a while I can get him to go to hard for multiplayer. Whereas I went through easy, then half of hard, then to expert. I can absolutely demolish him at any level with the same amount of play time under our belts.
Point out and discuss the fallacy in the following statement: "When I play music, I play to win."
On a side note, somehow I managed to beat Misirlou on Expert tonight. :O :O :O
Hanger 18 is 85% :(
why dont you just get a real guitar
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fat guys mashing keys on a FAKE guitar
why dont you just get a real guitar
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Less fun.
Look, somebody HAD to say it.
man how long have you had that sig nor briktal, dont tell me cause I actually do know lol
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Coming up on 2 years now.
Thunderhorse, however, is amazing.
I'd disagree. When you hit Hard, the notes come fast enough that you can't think any more, your fingers just *try* to get to the notes in time, and through some passages, the only way to tell if you succeeded or failed is by checking your score multiplier. You aren't thinking, you aren't improving, you're just madly scrambling to try to get to the notes in time.
Going through Medium (or even Easy) and just five-star Perfecting all of the songs is a good way to get into the swing. I'd suggest Medium, so you don't get too used to only using three fingers up top. But stick with the low end ones until you can at least perfect /one/. Then go up to the higher venue set list, and keep practicing. By the time you're able to Perfect one of the songs in the last venue, you'll do very well in the intro to Hard, where they re-teach you how to play (thankfully for the last time) introducing the orange button and hand-shifting becomes neccessary. Again, practice until you can Perfect one song in the current venue. Then progress.
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No...not really.
<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ua3hZXfNZOE" target="_blank">http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ua3hZXfNZOE</a>
That video deserves to go down in the halls of gaming's greatest- skill, improv and bad cliches? Definately awesome.
I'm getting pretty decent at hard, but for some reason the intro to Sweet Child o' Mine still kills me half the time. Haven't even 4-starred a hard song. I'm not even that inaccurate, I just get so lost in the note swarms.
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I did amazingly on that intro. You're doing your hitons and pulloffs, right? Their practically required for that.
And remember: Don't think. Seeing a lot of notes means nothing. Instinct.
For a more worthwhile tip...put it down for a few hours, and go back. I remember I stopped playing at Bark at the Moon on GH1...came back and 5 starred it 2 days later.
I almost wish they could have put "Crush my Battleoponent's Balls" in GH2. I'd just want to see if anyone can actually play it with any success. (if you haven't heard it: <a href="http://mp3download.myspace.com/music.ashx?bandid=66393725&songid=30160453&name=66393725_876d500d" target="_blank">link</a>). My hands hurt just thinking about it.
Never even managed to finish BatM on expert. The timing is just too funky and my hands won't cooperate.
I almost wish they could have put "Crush my Battleoponent's Balls" in GH2. I'd just want to see if anyone can actually play it with any success. (if you haven't heard it: <a href="http://mp3download.myspace.com/music.ashx?bandid=66393725&songid=30160453&name=66393725_876d500d" target="_blank">link</a>). My hands hurt just thinking about it.
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Once you got your mind past the speed, it doesn't seem like it'd be too hard...lots of repetition.
YBYBYBYBYBYBYBYBYBYBYBYBYB
BOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBOBO
And by the end of each I've just ###### up the timing because it repeats so much.
No...not really.
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Wrong.
Wrong.
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Howso? I hear the music just fine playing on Expert, and it even helps me play most of the time. The buttons become instinctual- easily a part of the way you look at the game. You see a 3 second span with 6 notes in it all up and down the fret board, some hitons/pulloffs and some normal, and you know exactly how to do it without thinking. You don't think, "Blue green yellow orange orange red green blue", you think "dundundundundundundundudnundundundudn" as its just a part of you.
Seriously. Try going on Hard/Expert and just upping the difficulty. You'll slowly sink into it. Happened to me in DDR, too- sooner or later its just steps.
But now that you've made a better post, allow me to answer in kind: If I were to up the difficulty to expert now, I wouldn't get through the songs, and I certainly wouldn't hit enough notes to make them sound good. Meanwhile, the songs sound great on medium, and the harder songs are difficult enough to keep me busy. I don't see the incentive to up the difficulty. I have little to gain by it, and much to lose.
Still can't deal with Expert.. even on the simplest songs, I end up losing at around 9% completion. Managed to nail the very first song on Hard, but only a three-star. Just need more practice.
On a related note, the Medium songs in GH2 are MUCH better for teaching you how to properly use hammer-ons and pull-offs, making it more instinctual when you go to a higher difficulty level. Some sections pretty much force you to use them, and instantly become painfully simple compared to the frantic finger-dance of trying to strum every note. :b
And yeah. Repetition seems to be the easiest way to screw up for some reason. The complicated patterns where your fingers are just moving are getting to be easy.. it's the over and over GRY patterns that always make me miss my timing... usually trying to hit a note early, or setting my fingers on autopilot and having them forget where they're supposed to be at the moment.
<a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=PZK5yDhjmtI" target="_blank">Even More Awesome</a>