<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When you disturb your brain in a certain way, your feeling of ‘self’ can get detached from your brain. Suddenly, it will feel as if ‘you’ are not inside your body anymore. You experience what is known as an ‘out of body experience’, or a ‘near death experience’.
But you don’t have to be nearly dead to feel it. The sensation can easily be created in a laboratory, by placing a helmet with rotating magnetic fields on your head. The magnetic field acts like a ‘jam signal’ on your brain. Suddenly, you'll feel like you're floating outside your body. But you aren’t. It’s just your brain going confused.
And you don't really need a helmet to do the trick. Visiting a place where the movement of the Earth's crust generates magnetic fields can give you the experience. Being in a situation where your brain doesn't get enough oxygen sometimes does it. Certain brain operations bring out the experience. Meditation and intensive prayer can generate it.
In fact, exactly this is why some people see ghosts, or Maria, or feel like they are visited by aliens. It is an incredible weird experience to be ‘outside of your brain’. Your brain will try to make sense of it. Immediately, the rational part of your brain will come up with an ‘explanation’ for the experience. You will sense a ‘presence’ near you. If you’re religious, you might see Maria, or Jesus. If you believe in UFOs, your brain might tell you you’re visited by aliens. If you believe in ghosts, you’ll feel the presence of a ghost of a dead person. But in reality, it’s your own feeling of self you’re experiencing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Pithlit+Jul 9 2005, 05:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pithlit @ Jul 9 2005, 05:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When you disturb your brain in a certain way, your feeling of ‘self’ can get detached from your brain. Suddenly, it will feel as if ‘you’ are not inside your body anymore. You experience what is known as an ‘out of body experience’, or a ‘near death experience’.
But you don’t have to be nearly dead to feel it. The sensation can easily be created in a laboratory, by placing a helmet with rotating magnetic fields on your head. The magnetic field acts like a ‘jam signal’ on your brain. Suddenly, you'll feel like you're floating outside your body. But you aren’t. It’s just your brain going confused.
And you don't really need a helmet to do the trick. Visiting a place where the movement of the Earth's crust generates magnetic fields can give you the experience. Being in a situation where your brain doesn't get enough oxygen sometimes does it. Certain brain operations bring out the experience. Meditation and intensive prayer can generate it.
In fact, exactly this is why some people see ghosts, or Maria, or feel like they are visited by aliens. It is an incredible weird experience to be ‘outside of your brain’. Your brain will try to make sense of it. Immediately, the rational part of your brain will come up with an ‘explanation’ for the experience. You will sense a ‘presence’ near you. If you’re religious, you might see Maria, or Jesus. If you believe in UFOs, your brain might tell you you’re visited by aliens. If you believe in ghosts, you’ll feel the presence of a ghost of a dead person. But in reality, it’s your own feeling of self you’re experiencing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> For some that may be true
For others, no.
Or else how ELSE could people communicate telepathicly?
<!--QuoteBegin-BulletHead+Jul 9 2005, 06:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Jul 9 2005, 06:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Pithlit+Jul 9 2005, 05:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pithlit @ Jul 9 2005, 05:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When you disturb your brain in a certain way, your feeling of ‘self’ can get detached from your brain. Suddenly, it will feel as if ‘you’ are not inside your body anymore. You experience what is known as an ‘out of body experience’, or a ‘near death experience’.
But you don’t have to be nearly dead to feel it. The sensation can easily be created in a laboratory, by placing a helmet with rotating magnetic fields on your head. The magnetic field acts like a ‘jam signal’ on your brain. Suddenly, you'll feel like you're floating outside your body. But you aren’t. It’s just your brain going confused.
And you don't really need a helmet to do the trick. Visiting a place where the movement of the Earth's crust generates magnetic fields can give you the experience. Being in a situation where your brain doesn't get enough oxygen sometimes does it. Certain brain operations bring out the experience. Meditation and intensive prayer can generate it.
In fact, exactly this is why some people see ghosts, or Maria, or feel like they are visited by aliens. It is an incredible weird experience to be ‘outside of your brain’. Your brain will try to make sense of it. Immediately, the rational part of your brain will come up with an ‘explanation’ for the experience. You will sense a ‘presence’ near you. If you’re religious, you might see Maria, or Jesus. If you believe in UFOs, your brain might tell you you’re visited by aliens. If you believe in ghosts, you’ll feel the presence of a ghost of a dead person. But in reality, it’s your own feeling of self you’re experiencing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> For some that may be true
For others, no.
Or else how ELSE could people communicate telepathicly? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> They don't.
If they did, they'd have taken up the challenge and won a million dollars already.
<!--QuoteBegin-Pithlit+Jul 9 2005, 03:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pithlit @ Jul 9 2005, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When you disturb your brain in a certain way, your feeling of ‘self’ can get detached from your brain. Suddenly, it will feel as if ‘you’ are not inside your body anymore. You experience what is known as an ‘out of body experience’, or a ‘near death experience’.
But you don’t have to be nearly dead to feel it. The sensation can easily be created in a laboratory, by placing a helmet with rotating magnetic fields on your head. The magnetic field acts like a ‘jam signal’ on your brain. Suddenly, you'll feel like you're floating outside your body. But you aren’t. It’s just your brain going confused.
And you don't really need a helmet to do the trick. Visiting a place where the movement of the Earth's crust generates magnetic fields can give you the experience. Being in a situation where your brain doesn't get enough oxygen sometimes does it. Certain brain operations bring out the experience. Meditation and intensive prayer can generate it.
In fact, exactly this is why some people see ghosts, or Maria, or feel like they are visited by aliens. It is an incredible weird experience to be ‘outside of your brain’. Your brain will try to make sense of it. Immediately, the rational part of your brain will come up with an ‘explanation’ for the experience. You will sense a ‘presence’ near you. If you’re religious, you might see Maria, or Jesus. If you believe in UFOs, your brain might tell you you’re visited by aliens. If you believe in ghosts, you’ll feel the presence of a ghost of a dead person. But in reality, it’s your own feeling of self you’re experiencing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well throwing out tiny articles that forms a theory based on few and sometimes hardly relevant scientific facts and calling it "the truth people want to avoid" is not a good way to get into a discussion. Sceptics create as much bad science as the mysteries they are trying to disapprove. It takes more than a few clever observations to create a scientific theory. It takes research, sources, and lots of attention to detail. We're not going to come to any solutions by listening to the guy with the simple explanations tell us we're all imagining stuff because our brains don't have a lot of oxygen. Has any groundbreaking thing humanity discovered been simple?
I don't even know where that came from. You just popped it in and made no comments about it. Who wrote that? Where is it? Is that the whole thing? Is it an article? A research paper?
If they did, they'd have taken up the challenge and won a million dollars already. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Speaking of that, for all you people here who claim you can "Astrally Project", heal yourself in a supernatural fashion, or communicate telephatically, here's your chance to get rich:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Has any groundbreaking thing humanity discovered been simple?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why would you call it a groundbreaking thing, its simple haluzinations. Take a sensory derpived state for example (a floating tank or something).
After some time our brain begins to make up stuff, too, because you are taken out of your normal enviroment for you are built to live in and your brain tries to compensate and adapt to the new situation. For these OoBE (Out of Body Experiences) you don´t have to be psychic or religious or anything, they simply happen with anybody, because we all funcion the same. I tried it and yes, its astonishing, its fascinating but its the human nature that he has always to see more things behind everything than there really are (speaking of patterns, not accepting random events), that just the way wich works for us to funtion best in our current enviroment.
Or speaking of phantom pains. why are they there? Because your brain has still information stored about that lost limb somewhere and when it tries to acess it (conciously or unconciously) and just gets an error message from the simple setup, what is the normal expression of not functioning of the body? Yes, its pain.
Like I said- I'd do that, but I can ONLY focus my "abilities" if you will when I am completely calm... not something I could do while hooked up to EKG's EMP MRE (electromagnetic pulse magnetude registering equipment) or other things... I can hardly do it inside. I usualy sit outside on my pool deck and use the suns energy to help me... yes, Vitamin K and d are VERY important to healing ones self. Either that or it's a dark room with NO light.
It's hard as hell for me, and I wind up falling asleep pretty fast afterwards... so yeah, I can't go and "prove" it... not yet anyway
<a href='http://randi.org/research/index.html' target='_blank'>http://randi.org/research/index.html</a> I don't think you can do what you say you can do under proper testing conditions.
Look BulletHead I'm not trying to be mean here. You could be lying or honestly mistaken about your abilities, but the fact remains that 100% of people who have been tested have failed the preliminary test. Stuff like this just doesn't happen or exist on Earth.
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jul 9 2005, 10:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jul 9 2005, 10:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BulletHead+Jul 9 2005, 03:37 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Jul 9 2005, 03:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[...]I do believe in Magika ability. I know I can contact and be contacted "telepathicly" by others.... basicly, it's just projecting one's brain waves across a distance. Electical Migration at it's greatest.[...]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If you can transmit your brain waves across a distance electromagnetically, those should be extremely easy to pick up and measure with technical equipment. How does <a href='http://www.randi.org/research/' target='_blank'>One Million Dollars</a> sound to you? I'd go for it if I were you, it's nice pocket change. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I didn't see this before I posted
/salute to you sir <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Nadagast, what is the primary function of the human body?
It produced BioElectric Energy, and quite a lot of it. The average person makes more than enough to power a 50 watt light bulb (I believe that's right)
So, if someone can channel that energy, they can do some amazing things with it.
No, I couldn't do these under strenuous conditions, because I have to be able to completely concentrate. I can't explain, show, or even move while I do this.
Also, Like I said before, most of what I do only affects myself. I have, so far, only been able to communicate with my mentor, and even then all she really feels is someone blowing a raspberry on her mind. I am NOT good at that yet. However, I can pickup other signals directed at me... again, it often just gives me a headache, but sometime I am able to actually tell what they are saying.
No, I don't believe it's "paranormal". After all, the human body is a complex thing... what's to say that stories of "witches, dragons, and knights" aren't real?
Bio electric energy is great and all--but it doesn't reallyhave the power to create healing. It is quite simply a command and communication structure for your body--no more, no less.
On the other hand, your body does have quite a few perfectly legitimate non-paranormal ways of healing itself. And these natural healing processes do work more efficiently under certain circumstances. You'd have to do something a lot more impressive than healing a cut in a week to prove paranormal ability. I happen to know a person who used to cut their arms out of depression, on a regular basis. They healed inside a week too, with no special meditative healing sessions required.
What I am getting at is--your healing abilities are not unique in any way. You heal about as well as anyone with a healthy immune system and adequate nutrition. Sorry...
The world is really ending as I am agreeing with cxwf. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Nadagast, what is the primary function of the human body?
It produced BioElectric Energy, and quite a lot of it. The average person makes more than enough to power a 50 watt light bulb (I believe that's right)
So, if someone can channel that energy, they can do some amazing things with it.
No, I couldn't do these under strenuous conditions, because I have to be able to completely concentrate. I can't explain, show, or even move while I do this.
Also, Like I said before, most of what I do only affects myself. I have, so far, only been able to communicate with my mentor, and even then all she really feels is someone blowing a raspberry on her mind. I am NOT good at that yet. However, I can pickup other signals directed at me... again, it often just gives me a headache, but sometime I am able to actually tell what they are saying.
No, I don't believe it's "paranormal". After all, the human body is a complex thing... what's to say that stories of "witches, dragons, and knights" aren't real? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Channel that energy? What does that even mean? How would one go about channeling this energy? What amazing things can you do?
If you really think you can do something like this, go win your million dollars man.
I suggest you stop talking to your 'mentor', surely she's more wacko than you are <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
BTW, communication with your mentor telepathically? That would win you a million dollars. Seriously, go try it. You'll be surprised (or maybe not) to find that you can't.
He's already told us that he can't communicate telepathically. He has also told us that his powers don't work in an observed environment. Iirc, he has even told us directly that he couldn't do that challenge because he wouldn't be able to prove anything. Stop pestering him about it.
After all, we skeptics have what we wanted from him: He can't prove anything to us. Isn't that what we wanted? Telling the man to prove his abilities again and again won't give us "more lack of proof."
<!--QuoteBegin-Cxwf+Jul 10 2005, 10:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cxwf @ Jul 10 2005, 10:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Bio electric energy is great and all--but it doesn't reallyhave the power to create healing. It is quite simply a command and communication structure for your body--no more, no less.
On the other hand, your body does have quite a few perfectly legitimate non-paranormal ways of healing itself. And these natural healing processes do work more efficiently under certain circumstances. You'd have to do something a lot more impressive than healing a cut in a week to prove paranormal ability. I happen to know a person who used to cut their arms out of depression, on a regular basis. They healed inside a week too, with no special meditative healing sessions required.
What I am getting at is--your healing abilities are not unique in any way. You heal about as well as anyone with a healthy immune system and adequate nutrition. Sorry... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> They may cut themself, but when you carve 5 letters an INCH deep into your arm, each letter over 2 inches tall and an inch and a half wide (Yes, this was the ENTIRE inside of my left forearm) it takes a bit longer.
Like I said, I can only aid my own body and use pressure specific points to aid others. There is nothing "paranormal" about it if ya ask me. It's natural, just that it's an art that's been forgotten over the years.
Think about the Salem witch trials... would YOU use any special abilities you may have, even if they were natural to you? Hell no!
And Nadagast, I could only communicate if I had direct contact with her, be it line of site, touch, or whatever. Don't ask me to explain, I really don't know much about it beyond it's POSSIBLE. Not everyone can do it simply because they dont' know how, but everyone COULD do it if they learned.
I end my argument here, because there really isn't anything I can do to prove myself otherwise. If any of yall have a headache, come to my house and I'll fix ya up <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Beyond that *shrug* what can I do?
Sigh all I can say is BulletHead, stop deluding yourself, you don't have any special powers. You should also get away from your mentor she sounds positively nutty =\
At this point I have to ask---why the HELL did you carve your entire left forearm out an inch deep? Were you perhaps high at the time? I can't imagine anyone finding it romantic that their boyfriend was willing to cut large holes in his arm, even if he was spelling their name.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cxwf+Jul 11 2005, 01:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cxwf @ Jul 11 2005, 01:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> At this point I have to ask---why the HELL did you carve your entire left forearm out an inch deep? Were you perhaps high at the time? I can't imagine anyone finding it romantic that their boyfriend was willing to cut large holes in his arm, even if he was spelling their name. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ... it was the day after I was banned from seeing her again... leave it at that shall we?
Yes, I do still see her (at school or when she and I meet up in the woods)
<!--QuoteBegin-BulletHead+Jul 11 2005, 12:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Jul 11 2005, 12:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> leave it at that shall we? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes...thats probably a good place to leave it.
I respect and understand your disbelief... honestly, I wouldn't have believed it myself if it had not happened to me. Maybe when I have a better grasp of it... I can explain it. All I know is that MetaPhysics (study of the Theoretical / Paranormal / Impossible to be simple) is just a TAD beyond the reach of your standard 17 year old (like Me) so I can't give a good explanation *sighs*
<!--QuoteBegin-BulletHead+Jul 11 2005, 12:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Jul 11 2005, 12:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cxwf+Jul 11 2005, 01:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cxwf @ Jul 11 2005, 01:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> At this point I have to ask---why the HELL did you carve your entire left forearm out an inch deep? Were you perhaps high at the time? I can't imagine anyone finding it romantic that their boyfriend was willing to cut large holes in his arm, even if he was spelling their name. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ... it was the day after I was banned from seeing her again... leave it at that shall we?
Yes, I do still see her (at school or when she and I meet up in the woods) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Probably banned from each other so you wouldn't hurt yourself anymore?
Furthermore; astral projection sounds like a fancy word for day dreaming. Or hypnosis. The accounts I read on that site does not make astral projection special from anything else.
Well, that's just it NGE! I don't think it's anything "special" or "unnatural"... just something that's been forgotten over the years.
You have to admit, before telephones and cars, hell, before the technilogical revolution... hell, just think of the middle ages. Being able to communicate telepathicly or thru "magical" means would have been VERY useful... your alternative was to send a courier on horse or foot to RIDE or RUN hundreds of miles to reach the other person in another kingdom.
*shrug* Call me crazy, but I just believe it's possible... maybe I need to check into a home, or maybe you guys need to open your minds to something you don't understand to let it have a chance.
And no, I was banned from seeing her because I got caught up at her house at 3 am... YES I WAS DRESSED before you ask...
<!--QuoteBegin-BulletHead+Jul 14 2005, 09:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BulletHead @ Jul 14 2005, 09:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> *shrug* Call me crazy, but I just believe it's possible... maybe I need to check into a home, or maybe you guys need to open your minds to something you don't understand to let it have a chance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're crazy.
And, I'm open to plenty of stuff, just not BS crap that has been debunked over and over. Believing it is super fun and all (GOOD FOR YOU STICKIN WITH YOUR GUNS! YEARGH! vomit rolleyes) but it doesn't make it true. Tons of people claiming they are telepathic have been tested and none have succeeded. Of course, you're different. Right?
I'd be the first person to be supportive of something like this <b><i>if I saw a shred of evidence in favor of it being possible</b></i>. Get it?
The problem is that believing something doesn't make it true, and you shouldn't believe anything until you see real evidence for it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nadagast+Jul 14 2005, 04:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nadagast @ Jul 14 2005, 04:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[...]The problem is that believing something doesn't make it true, and you shouldn't believe anything until you see real evidence for it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That doesn't mean that you can't believe in something without proof, though. Take religion, for instance.
Let him believe all he wants, it's not hurting you or me. He just can't demand that WE believe as well unless he can offer us proof. And I don't think he's demanding that.
I'm only asking that you don't make up your minds either way. After all, there is no proof it doesn't exist either. It's circumstantial either way.
Look at it this way- if we all HAVE these abilities, but some just dont' know how to use them, our brain wave activity would look the same. Hence why it'd be difficult to proove.
One minor thing bothered me about that last post bullethead, and its probably due to the fact you don't quite know what you are talking about, which is understandable.
<!--QuoteBegin-bullethead+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (bullethead)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Look at it this way- if we all HAVE these abilities, but some just dont' know how to use them, our brain wave activity would look the same. Hence why it'd be difficult to proove. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually, if we all have these... abilities, for a lack of better term, it would be very easy to prove, as the brain wave activity would be significantly different from someone who knew how to use them properly, to someone that didn't.
While I know this may get a bit technical, but..
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It is well known that the brain is an electrochemical organ; researchers have speculated that a fully functioning brain can generate as much as 10 watts of electrical power. Other more conservative investigators calculate that if all 10 billion interconnected nerve cells discharged at one time that a single electrode placed on the human scalp would record something like five millionths to 50 millionths of a volt. If you had enough scalps hooked up you might be able to light a flashlight bulb.
Even though this electrical power is very limited, it does occur in very specific ways that are characteristic of the human brain. Electrical activity emanating from the brain is displayed in the form of brainwaves. There are four categories of these brainwaves, ranging from the most activity to the least activity. When the brain is aroused and actively engaged in mental activities, it generates beta waves. These beta waves are of relatively low amplitude, and are the fastest of the four different brainwaves. The frequency of beta waves ranges from 15 to 40 cycles a second. Beta waves are characteristics of a strongly engaged mind. A person in active conversation would be in beta. A debater would be in high beta. A person making a speech, or a teacher, or a talk show host would all be in beta when they are engaged in their work.
The next brainwave category in order of frequency is alpha. Where beta represented arousal, alpha represents non-arousal. Alpha brainwaves are slower, and higher in amplitude. Their frequency ranges from 9 to 14 cycles per second. A person who has completed a task and sits down to rest is often in an alpha state. A person who takes time out to reflect or meditate is usually in an alpha state. A person who takes a break from a conference and walks in the garden is often in an alpha state.
The next state, theta brainwaves, are typically of even greater amplitude and slower frequency. This frequency range is normally between 5 and 8 cycles a second. A person who has taken time off from a task and begins to daydream is often in a theta brainwave state. A person who is driving on a freeway, and discovers that they can't recall the last five miles, is often in a theta state--induced by the process of freeway driving. The repetitious nature of that form of driving compared to a country road would differentiate a theta state and a beta state in order to perform the driving task safely.
Individuals who do a lot of freeway driving often get good ideas during those periods when they are in theta. Individuals who run outdoors often are in the state of mental relaxation that is slower than alpha and when in theta, they are prone to a flow of ideas. This can also occur in the shower or tub or even while shaving or brushing your hair. It is a state where tasks become so automatic that you can mentally disengage from them. The ideation that can take place during the theta state is often free flow and occurs without censorship or guilt. It is typically a very positive mental state.
The final brainwave state is delta. Here the brainwaves are of the greatest amplitude and slowest frequency. They typically center around a range of 1.5 to 4 cycles per second. They never go down to zero because that would mean that you were brain dead. But, deep dreamless sleep would take you down to the lowest frequency. Typically, 2 to 3 cycles a second.
When we go to bed and read for a few minutes before attempting sleep, we are likely to be in low beta. When we put the book down, turn off the lights and close our eyes, our brainwaves will descend from beta, to alpha, to theta and finally, when we fall asleep, to delta.
It is a well known fact that humans dream in 90 minute cycles. When the delta brainwave frequencies increase into the frequency of theta brainwaves, active dreaming takes place and often becomes more experiential to the person. Typically, when this occurs there is rapid eye movement, which is characteristic of active dreaming. This is called REM, and is a well known phenomenon.
In summary, there are four brainwave states that range from the high amplitude, low frequency delta to the low amplitude, high frequency beta. These brainwave states range from deep dreamless sleep to high arousal. The same four brainwave states are common to the human species. Men, women and children of all ages experience the same characteristic brainwaves. They are consistent across cultures and country boundaries.
Research has shown that although one brainwave state may predominate at any given time, depending on the activity level of the individual, the remaining three brain states are present in the mix of brainwaves at all times.
In other words, while somebody is an aroused state and exhibiting a beta brainwave pattern, there also exists in that person's brain a component of alpha, theta and delta, even though these may be present only at the trace level. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Stop being an ****. There is a difference, what if Bullethead was talking about believing in magical fairies and dragons? We would rip him up. If he was talking about religion, we wouldn't really want to get into that. Like he said, his "abilities" aren't magical telepathic healing powers, all he says is that he can heal himself faster, but with immense concentration. Like those monks that can control various body functions, I believe he's got something like that. But please, don't turn this thread into a smackdown, consider the specifics and don't assume he is saying he is a telepathic. Don't be so damn absolute either, if you can't take "maybe" for an answer, then you probably have no imagination given that anything uncertain would be placed in the "wrong" catergory...
I have trouble believing astral projection is actually "leaving" your body, I think it is some type of effect generated when the brain is disconnected from it's sensors. However, this still doesn't explain some of the wierder stuff that happens sometimes, and I doubt these guys are lying about it. And of course, trying to prove something like this would be immensely difficult given the fact that they have to "meditate" while suffering from stress imposed by all those sensors...
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But you don’t have to be nearly dead to feel it. The sensation can easily be created in a laboratory, by placing a helmet with rotating magnetic fields on your head. The magnetic field acts like a ‘jam signal’ on your brain. Suddenly, you'll feel like you're floating outside your body. But you aren’t. It’s just your brain going confused.
And you don't really need a helmet to do the trick. Visiting a place where the movement of the Earth's crust generates magnetic fields can give you the experience. Being in a situation where your brain doesn't get enough oxygen sometimes does it. Certain brain operations bring out the experience. Meditation and intensive prayer can generate it.
In fact, exactly this is why some people see ghosts, or Maria, or feel like they are visited by aliens. It is an incredible weird experience to be ‘outside of your brain’. Your brain will try to make sense of it. Immediately, the rational part of your brain will come up with an ‘explanation’ for the experience. You will sense a ‘presence’ near you. If you’re religious, you might see Maria, or Jesus. If you believe in UFOs, your brain might tell you you’re visited by aliens. If you believe in ghosts, you’ll feel the presence of a ghost of a dead person. But in reality, it’s your own feeling of self you’re experiencing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But you don’t have to be nearly dead to feel it. The sensation can easily be created in a laboratory, by placing a helmet with rotating magnetic fields on your head. The magnetic field acts like a ‘jam signal’ on your brain. Suddenly, you'll feel like you're floating outside your body. But you aren’t. It’s just your brain going confused.
And you don't really need a helmet to do the trick. Visiting a place where the movement of the Earth's crust generates magnetic fields can give you the experience. Being in a situation where your brain doesn't get enough oxygen sometimes does it. Certain brain operations bring out the experience. Meditation and intensive prayer can generate it.
In fact, exactly this is why some people see ghosts, or Maria, or feel like they are visited by aliens. It is an incredible weird experience to be ‘outside of your brain’. Your brain will try to make sense of it. Immediately, the rational part of your brain will come up with an ‘explanation’ for the experience. You will sense a ‘presence’ near you. If you’re religious, you might see Maria, or Jesus. If you believe in UFOs, your brain might tell you you’re visited by aliens. If you believe in ghosts, you’ll feel the presence of a ghost of a dead person. But in reality, it’s your own feeling of self you’re experiencing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
For some that may be true
For others, no.
Or else how ELSE could people communicate telepathicly?
But you don’t have to be nearly dead to feel it. The sensation can easily be created in a laboratory, by placing a helmet with rotating magnetic fields on your head. The magnetic field acts like a ‘jam signal’ on your brain. Suddenly, you'll feel like you're floating outside your body. But you aren’t. It’s just your brain going confused.
And you don't really need a helmet to do the trick. Visiting a place where the movement of the Earth's crust generates magnetic fields can give you the experience. Being in a situation where your brain doesn't get enough oxygen sometimes does it. Certain brain operations bring out the experience. Meditation and intensive prayer can generate it.
In fact, exactly this is why some people see ghosts, or Maria, or feel like they are visited by aliens. It is an incredible weird experience to be ‘outside of your brain’. Your brain will try to make sense of it. Immediately, the rational part of your brain will come up with an ‘explanation’ for the experience. You will sense a ‘presence’ near you. If you’re religious, you might see Maria, or Jesus. If you believe in UFOs, your brain might tell you you’re visited by aliens. If you believe in ghosts, you’ll feel the presence of a ghost of a dead person. But in reality, it’s your own feeling of self you’re experiencing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
For some that may be true
For others, no.
Or else how ELSE could people communicate telepathicly? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
They don't.
If they did, they'd have taken up the challenge and won a million dollars already.
But you don’t have to be nearly dead to feel it. The sensation can easily be created in a laboratory, by placing a helmet with rotating magnetic fields on your head. The magnetic field acts like a ‘jam signal’ on your brain. Suddenly, you'll feel like you're floating outside your body. But you aren’t. It’s just your brain going confused.
And you don't really need a helmet to do the trick. Visiting a place where the movement of the Earth's crust generates magnetic fields can give you the experience. Being in a situation where your brain doesn't get enough oxygen sometimes does it. Certain brain operations bring out the experience. Meditation and intensive prayer can generate it.
In fact, exactly this is why some people see ghosts, or Maria, or feel like they are visited by aliens. It is an incredible weird experience to be ‘outside of your brain’. Your brain will try to make sense of it. Immediately, the rational part of your brain will come up with an ‘explanation’ for the experience. You will sense a ‘presence’ near you. If you’re religious, you might see Maria, or Jesus. If you believe in UFOs, your brain might tell you you’re visited by aliens. If you believe in ghosts, you’ll feel the presence of a ghost of a dead person. But in reality, it’s your own feeling of self you’re experiencing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well throwing out tiny articles that forms a theory based on few and sometimes hardly relevant scientific facts and calling it "the truth people want to avoid" is not a good way to get into a discussion. Sceptics create as much bad science as the mysteries they are trying to disapprove. It takes more than a few clever observations to create a scientific theory. It takes research, sources, and lots of attention to detail. We're not going to come to any solutions by listening to the guy with the simple explanations tell us we're all imagining stuff because our brains don't have a lot of oxygen. Has any groundbreaking thing humanity discovered been simple?
I don't even know where that came from. You just popped it in and made no comments about it. Who wrote that? Where is it? Is that the whole thing? Is it an article? A research paper?
If they did, they'd have taken up the challenge and won a million dollars already. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Speaking of that, for all you people here who claim you can "Astrally Project", heal yourself in a supernatural fashion, or communicate telephatically, here's your chance to get rich:
<a href='http://www.randi.org/research/index.html' target='_blank'>http://www.randi.org/research/index.html</a>
I'd love to see someone try it.
Why would you call it a groundbreaking thing, its simple haluzinations.
Take a sensory derpived state for example (a floating tank or something).
After some time our brain begins to make up stuff, too, because you are taken out of your normal enviroment for you are built to live in and your brain tries to compensate and adapt to the new situation.
For these OoBE (Out of Body Experiences) you don´t have to be psychic or religious or anything, they simply happen with anybody, because we all funcion the same.
I tried it and yes, its astonishing, its fascinating but its the human nature that he has always to see more things behind everything than there really are (speaking of patterns, not accepting random events), that just the way wich works for us to funtion best in our current enviroment.
Or speaking of phantom pains.
why are they there? Because your brain has still information stored about that lost limb somewhere and when it tries to acess it (conciously or unconciously) and just gets an error message from the simple setup, what is the normal expression of not functioning of the body? Yes, its pain.
It's hard as hell for me, and I wind up falling asleep pretty fast afterwards... so yeah, I can't go and "prove" it... not yet anyway
<a href='http://randi.org/research/index.html' target='_blank'>http://randi.org/research/index.html</a>
I don't think you can do what you say you can do under proper testing conditions.
Look BulletHead I'm not trying to be mean here. You could be lying or honestly mistaken about your abilities, but the fact remains that 100% of people who have been tested have failed the preliminary test. Stuff like this just doesn't happen or exist on Earth.
If you can transmit your brain waves across a distance electromagnetically, those should be extremely easy to pick up and measure with technical equipment. How does <a href='http://www.randi.org/research/' target='_blank'>One Million Dollars</a> sound to you? I'd go for it if I were you, it's nice pocket change. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't see this before I posted
/salute to you sir <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Nadagast, what is the primary function of the human body?
It produced BioElectric Energy, and quite a lot of it. The average person makes more than enough to power a 50 watt light bulb (I believe that's right)
So, if someone can channel that energy, they can do some amazing things with it.
No, I couldn't do these under strenuous conditions, because I have to be able to completely concentrate. I can't explain, show, or even move while I do this.
Also, Like I said before, most of what I do only affects myself. I have, so far, only been able to communicate with my mentor, and even then all she really feels is someone blowing a raspberry on her mind. I am NOT good at that yet. However, I can pickup other signals directed at me... again, it often just gives me a headache, but sometime I am able to actually tell what they are saying.
No, I don't believe it's "paranormal". After all, the human body is a complex thing... what's to say that stories of "witches, dragons, and knights" aren't real?
On the other hand, your body does have quite a few perfectly legitimate non-paranormal ways of healing itself. And these natural healing processes do work more efficiently under certain circumstances. You'd have to do something a lot more impressive than healing a cut in a week to prove paranormal ability. I happen to know a person who used to cut their arms out of depression, on a regular basis. They healed inside a week too, with no special meditative healing sessions required.
What I am getting at is--your healing abilities are not unique in any way. You heal about as well as anyone with a healthy immune system and adequate nutrition. Sorry...
Nadagast, what is the primary function of the human body?
It produced BioElectric Energy, and quite a lot of it. The average person makes more than enough to power a 50 watt light bulb (I believe that's right)
So, if someone can channel that energy, they can do some amazing things with it.
No, I couldn't do these under strenuous conditions, because I have to be able to completely concentrate. I can't explain, show, or even move while I do this.
Also, Like I said before, most of what I do only affects myself. I have, so far, only been able to communicate with my mentor, and even then all she really feels is someone blowing a raspberry on her mind. I am NOT good at that yet. However, I can pickup other signals directed at me... again, it often just gives me a headache, but sometime I am able to actually tell what they are saying.
No, I don't believe it's "paranormal". After all, the human body is a complex thing... what's to say that stories of "witches, dragons, and knights" aren't real? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Channel that energy? What does that even mean? How would one go about channeling this energy? What amazing things can you do?
If you really think you can do something like this, go win your million dollars man.
I suggest you stop talking to your 'mentor', surely she's more wacko than you are <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
BTW, communication with your mentor telepathically? That would win you a million dollars. Seriously, go try it. You'll be surprised (or maybe not) to find that you can't.
After all, we skeptics have what we wanted from him: He can't prove anything to us. Isn't that what we wanted? Telling the man to prove his abilities again and again won't give us "more lack of proof."
On the other hand, your body does have quite a few perfectly legitimate non-paranormal ways of healing itself. And these natural healing processes do work more efficiently under certain circumstances. You'd have to do something a lot more impressive than healing a cut in a week to prove paranormal ability. I happen to know a person who used to cut their arms out of depression, on a regular basis. They healed inside a week too, with no special meditative healing sessions required.
What I am getting at is--your healing abilities are not unique in any way. You heal about as well as anyone with a healthy immune system and adequate nutrition. Sorry... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They may cut themself, but when you carve 5 letters an INCH deep into your arm, each letter over 2 inches tall and an inch and a half wide (Yes, this was the ENTIRE inside of my left forearm) it takes a bit longer.
Like I said, I can only aid my own body and use pressure specific points to aid others. There is nothing "paranormal" about it if ya ask me. It's natural, just that it's an art that's been forgotten over the years.
Think about the Salem witch trials... would YOU use any special abilities you may have, even if they were natural to you? Hell no!
And Nadagast, I could only communicate if I had direct contact with her, be it line of site, touch, or whatever. Don't ask me to explain, I really don't know much about it beyond it's POSSIBLE. Not everyone can do it simply because they dont' know how, but everyone COULD do it if they learned.
I end my argument here, because there really isn't anything I can do to prove myself otherwise. If any of yall have a headache, come to my house and I'll fix ya up <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Beyond that *shrug* what can I do?
... it was the day after I was banned from seeing her again... leave it at that shall we?
Yes, I do still see her (at school or when she and I meet up in the woods)
Yes...thats probably a good place to leave it.
Ok, thats it for my involvement in this thread.
I respect and understand your disbelief... honestly, I wouldn't have believed it myself if it had not happened to me. Maybe when I have a better grasp of it... I can explain it. All I know is that MetaPhysics (study of the Theoretical / Paranormal / Impossible to be simple) is just a TAD beyond the reach of your standard 17 year old (like Me) so I can't give a good explanation *sighs*
I wish....
... it was the day after I was banned from seeing her again... leave it at that shall we?
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Probably banned from each other so you wouldn't hurt yourself anymore?
Furthermore; astral projection sounds like a fancy word for day dreaming. Or hypnosis. The accounts I read on that site does not make astral projection special from anything else.
You have to admit, before telephones and cars, hell, before the technilogical revolution... hell, just think of the middle ages. Being able to communicate telepathicly or thru "magical" means would have been VERY useful... your alternative was to send a courier on horse or foot to RIDE or RUN hundreds of miles to reach the other person in another kingdom.
*shrug* Call me crazy, but I just believe it's possible... maybe I need to check into a home, or maybe you guys need to open your minds to something you don't understand to let it have a chance.
And no, I was banned from seeing her because I got caught up at her house at 3 am... YES I WAS DRESSED before you ask...
You're crazy.
And, I'm open to plenty of stuff, just not BS crap that has been debunked over and over. Believing it is super fun and all (GOOD FOR YOU STICKIN WITH YOUR GUNS! YEARGH! vomit rolleyes) but it doesn't make it true. Tons of people claiming they are telepathic have been tested and none have succeeded. Of course, you're different. Right?
I'd be the first person to be supportive of something like this <b><i>if I saw a shred of evidence in favor of it being possible</b></i>. Get it?
The problem is that believing something doesn't make it true, and you shouldn't believe anything until you see real evidence for it.
That doesn't mean that you can't believe in something without proof, though. Take religion, for instance.
Let him believe all he wants, it's not hurting you or me. He just can't demand that WE believe as well unless he can offer us proof. And I don't think he's demanding that.
Look at it this way- if we all HAVE these abilities, but some just dont' know how to use them, our brain wave activity would look the same. Hence why it'd be difficult to proove.
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Look at it this way- if we all HAVE these abilities, but some just dont' know how to use them, our brain wave activity would look the same. Hence why it'd be difficult to proove.
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Actually, if we all have these... abilities, for a lack of better term, it would be very easy to prove, as the brain wave activity would be significantly different from someone who knew how to use them properly, to someone that didn't.
While I know this may get a bit technical, but..
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It is well known that the brain is an electrochemical organ; researchers have speculated that a fully functioning brain can generate as much as 10 watts of electrical power. Other more conservative investigators calculate that if all 10 billion interconnected nerve cells discharged at one time that a single electrode placed on the human scalp would record something like five millionths to 50 millionths of a volt. If you had enough scalps hooked up you might be able to light a flashlight bulb.
Even though this electrical power is very limited, it does occur in very specific ways that are characteristic of the human brain. Electrical activity emanating from the brain is displayed in the form of brainwaves. There are four categories of these brainwaves, ranging from the most activity to the least activity. When the brain is aroused and actively engaged in mental activities, it generates beta waves. These beta waves are of relatively low amplitude, and are the fastest of the four different brainwaves. The frequency of beta waves ranges from 15 to 40 cycles a second. Beta waves are characteristics of a strongly engaged mind. A person in active conversation would be in beta. A debater would be in high beta. A person making a speech, or a teacher, or a talk show host would all be in beta when they are engaged in their work.
The next brainwave category in order of frequency is alpha. Where beta represented arousal, alpha represents non-arousal. Alpha brainwaves are slower, and higher in amplitude. Their frequency ranges from 9 to 14 cycles per second. A person who has completed a task and sits down to rest is often in an alpha state. A person who takes time out to reflect or meditate is usually in an alpha state. A person who takes a break from a conference and walks in the garden is often in an alpha state.
The next state, theta brainwaves, are typically of even greater amplitude and slower frequency. This frequency range is normally between 5 and 8 cycles a second. A person who has taken time off from a task and begins to daydream is often in a theta brainwave state. A person who is driving on a freeway, and discovers that they can't recall the last five miles, is often in a theta state--induced by the process of freeway driving. The repetitious nature of that form of driving compared to a country road would differentiate a theta state and a beta state in order to perform the driving task safely.
Individuals who do a lot of freeway driving often get good ideas during those periods when they are in theta. Individuals who run outdoors often are in the state of mental relaxation that is slower than alpha and when in theta, they are prone to a flow of ideas. This can also occur in the shower or tub or even while shaving or brushing your hair. It is a state where tasks become so automatic that you can mentally disengage from them. The ideation that can take place during the theta state is often free flow and occurs without censorship or guilt. It is typically a very positive mental state.
The final brainwave state is delta. Here the brainwaves are of the greatest amplitude and slowest frequency. They typically center around a range of 1.5 to 4 cycles per second. They never go down to zero because that would mean that you were brain dead. But, deep dreamless sleep would take you down to the lowest frequency. Typically, 2 to 3 cycles a second.
When we go to bed and read for a few minutes before attempting sleep, we are likely to be in low beta. When we put the book down, turn off the lights and close our eyes, our brainwaves will descend from beta, to alpha, to theta and finally, when we fall asleep, to delta.
It is a well known fact that humans dream in 90 minute cycles. When the delta brainwave frequencies increase into the frequency of theta brainwaves, active dreaming takes place and often becomes more experiential to the person. Typically, when this occurs there is rapid eye movement, which is characteristic of active dreaming. This is called REM, and is a well known phenomenon.
In summary, there are four brainwave states that range from the high amplitude, low frequency delta to the low amplitude, high frequency beta. These brainwave states range from deep dreamless sleep to high arousal. The same four brainwave states are common to the human species. Men, women and children of all ages experience the same characteristic brainwaves. They are consistent across cultures and country boundaries.
Research has shown that although one brainwave state may predominate at any given time, depending on the activity level of the individual, the remaining three brain states are present in the mix of brainwaves at all times.
In other words, while somebody is an aroused state and exhibiting a beta brainwave pattern, there also exists in that person's brain a component of alpha, theta and delta, even though these may be present only at the trace level.
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<a href='http://brain.web-us.com/brainwavesfunction.htm' target='_blank'>Source</a>
That site does have one minor popup but firefox does stop it.
I have trouble believing astral projection is actually "leaving" your body, I think it is some type of effect generated when the brain is disconnected from it's sensors. However, this still doesn't explain some of the wierder stuff that happens sometimes, and I doubt these guys are lying about it. And of course, trying to prove something like this would be immensely difficult given the fact that they have to "meditate" while suffering from stress imposed by all those sensors...