<!--QuoteBegin-RustySpoon+Jun 16 2005, 07:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RustySpoon @ Jun 16 2005, 07:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You know, TALKING is something beyond people with gadgets that make people do what you want, and god forbid he could have waited till the woman finished her phonecall and taken her peacefully down to the station and giving her a ticket and a good old stern talking to. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You're right. People should only be arrested when it is convenient for them.
"Don't have time to get arrested right now, officer. Let me have a look... how's next tuesday for you? And shouldn't you be busy helping that guy who got run over back there instead of giving me a hard time? What, by MY car? You mean my fender is dented? Bloody hell!"
I dont see how a harmless woman needs to be subdued.
Yes she was beeing a ****, yes she was resisting arrest, yes she drove dangerously, <b>no she was infact not frantically trying to stab the police officer into the temple</b>.
Imagine you hurrying to some friend of yours and get pulled over for speeding. Now you're young, and everyone has had their or their friends licence taken away at some point, and no one that young can actually afford a new car, right? So you're hurrying like the young hooligan you are and the police pull you over.
Ok you get mad, they come over to you and you call your friend saying these police officers are arresting me. "Show me xxx show me yyy" goes the officer, and you're like "**** this, I'm missing out on the partay" and keep talking bull on the phone just out of spite. Next thing you know <b>THE COP IS TASERING YOU</b>.
I know this might **** the average guy off, but tasering someone just for not listening to you is not the way to go.
If they had at least tried to remove her from the car forcefully I imagine it would have been more justified.
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<!--QuoteBegin-RustySpoon+Jun 16 2005, 12:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RustySpoon @ Jun 16 2005, 12:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont see how a harmless woman needs to be subdued.
Yes she was beeing a ****, yes she was resisting arrest, yes she drove dangerously, <b>no she was infact not frantically trying to stab the police officer into the temple</b>.
Imagine you hurrying to some friend of yours and get pulled over for speeding. Now you're young, and everyone has had their or their friends licence taken away at some point, and no one that young can actually afford a new car, right? So you're hurrying like the young hooligan you are and the police pull you over.
Ok you get mad, they come over to you and you call your friend saying these police officers are arresting me. "Show me xxx show me yyy" goes the officer, and you're like "**** this, I'm missing out on the partay" and keep talking bull on the phone just out of spite. Next thing you know <b>THE COP IS TASERING YOU</b>.
I know this might **** the average guy off, but tasering someone just for not listening to you is not the way to go.
If they had at least tried to remove her from the car forcefully I imagine it would have been more justified. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You're missing the point of the police... if they say do something, you do it. Especially if they <b>warn you repeatedly</b>, you don't carry on as if they're not there, and act as if they won't do anything to you because you're a young white woman in an SUV.
The reasons why you lost your license, why you're speeding, and why you're still talking on your phone don't matter to them. What matters to them is that you stop doing it. If she had just put her phone away as she was pulled over, got out when they asked, she probably would have gotten off with a warning and a towed car (I don't know American legal system...), but she had to play high and mighty, and she got knocked down because of it.
And it's not like he said "Please show me your license and put down your phone", and then zapped her right away, they warned her enough to make <b>me</b> feel pretty intimidated just by watching the video. The amount of arrogance she displayed is amazing.
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jun 16 2005, 02:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jun 16 2005, 02:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->ITS A flipping TASER GET OVER YOURSELVES<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What part about this escapes people? <u>She wasn't mutilated.</u> If they'd tried to drag her out of the car they might well have gotten into a brawl, with the possibility for much more severe injuries than a tasering. It's a free country, but that does not mean you're free to do whatever the hell you like and **** everyone else. If the police tells you to get out of the flipping car, you do it. No if, when and but. If you're unhappy about the treatment you get, you complain to their superior. But if you resist and get tasered, you only have yourself to blame. She could easily have avoided the situation by simply doing like she was told, but she wanted to see how far she could take things and it got her tasered. She has no reason to complain, tbh.
Heck, she was even mouthing off at the cop as he was aiming the taser at her. "Are you going to shoot me?" in a tone that practically spoke "Do you know who I am? I DARE you to shoot me!" She was really asking for it.
Yes obviously a cop is someone you listen to, but it's not like we (we as in the average westerner, I'm not a yank) live in a dictatorship where arrogance is punishable by tasering. Yes she was beeing a **** and yes I felt like punching her in the face, but the average street police officer is there to uphold the law, not punish the criminals/annoying women. Imagine a cop whitnessing a murder and just plain executing the murderer on the street.
Now I understand it wasn't a punishment per'se, but he was just trying to remove the woman out of the car. Yes he did warn her very clearly, but still he tasered her for talking on the phone and ignoring the police. Is this something I've utterly missed? Are tasers the primary way of upholding the law? I dont see why he couldnt have tryed the good old physical way first, and THEN only tasoring her, as a last resort.
Because a taser is actually LESS harmful than wrestling with someone to get them out of their car. Which is the graver injury? Two small skin wounds and numbness for a couple of hours, or a broken leg? Or how about a concussion from hitting her head against the doorframe? Maybe a severed artery from putting a hand through the window during the struggle? Not to mention the injuries that she might inflict on the policeman?
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 16 2005, 07:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 16 2005, 07:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Because a taser is actually LESS harmful than wrestling with someone to get them out of their car. Which is the graver injury? Two small skin wounds and numbness for a couple of hours, or a broken arm? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Christ, I didn't mean go John Woo on the woman :-/
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If he had tried to drag her out of the car, or take her phone, from the way she's acting she probably would have resisted. Arms and legs would have flailed, someone would have been hit somewhere, and a brawl would have gone on, with the women being forcibly smacked to the ground, kneeled on, and handcuffed. A fairly painful and distressing experience.
They tasered her. She goes limp, practically flops out of the car, they handcuff her, no fuss, no injury (except the screaming, but it's been decided in the thread that this was pretty much a major-exagerration).
It seems a fairly straightforward thing to me... drag her out, possible scuffle, definately at least a little pain on at least one of them, maybe even a broken/fractured bone or two, or a quick tazering, which leaves no lasting injuries, really. Except pride.
Then what? The secret ninja art of subduing people without hurting them at all that all policemen are taught at the secret cop dojo?
<!--QuoteBegin-X Stickman+Jun 16 2005, 03:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X Stickman @ Jun 16 2005, 03:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[...]It seems a fairly straightforward thing to me... drag her out, possible scuffle, definately at least a little pain on at least one of them, maybe even a broken/fractured bone or two, or a quick tazering, which leaves no lasting injuries, really. Except pride.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No harm done THERE. Her pride needed to be knocked down a couple of notches anyway.
<!--QuoteBegin-X Stickman+Jun 16 2005, 08:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X Stickman @ Jun 16 2005, 08:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If he had tried to drag her out of the car, or take her phone, from the way she's acting she probably would have resisted. Arms and legs would have flailed, someone would have been hit somewhere, and a brawl would have gone on, with the women being forcibly smacked to the ground, kneeled on, and handcuffed. A fairly painful and distressing experience. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> THAT is resisting arrest. She starts flailing? Taser in the face.
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 16 2005, 08:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 16 2005, 08:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So the cops should be the punching bag of the nation? No matter what, they cannot use force until you assault them? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes.
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<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 16 2005, 02:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 16 2005, 02:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So the cops should be the punching bag of the nation? No matter what, they cannot use force until you assault them? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly.
"Can we taze her yet? Can we taze her yet? I wanna try out the tazer! We've asked her three times, right? Cool, jab her with it." ROFLECOPTER!
That's the impression I get.
Now, I've never been tazed. I <i>don't</i> know how much it actually hurts, though that seems pretty irrelevant judging by the woman's reaction.
There are two things I take offense at: the taser seemed to be the first resort. Zapping someone who fails to respect authority is acceptable practise, is it? Yeah, they used to whip slaves, too. Life's not a ****ing webcomic - in the real world stupidity is <i>not</i> justification for inflicting physical pain.
Second, I'm kind of shocked at how many people find it <i>funny</i> to watch a video of a woman screaming on the ground. Hillarious. You make me sick.
In my opinion, she had it coming to her. Honestly, when a cop asks you fo license and registration or calmly asks you to get out of the car, YOU JUST DO IT. You don't keep talking on your cell phone. You listen to the cops, do exactly what they say and get it over with. I think that he did do the right thing, because he did giver about 7 warnings that he would use the taser if she didn't get out of the car. Oh and she wasn't screaming, it sounds like she was crying.
<!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Second, I'm kind of shocked at how many people find it funny to watch a video of a woman screaming on the ground. Hillarious. You make me sick. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm sure you've encounted such **** idiots in your life, such as the woman in the video. The reason it's funny is because finally, when some idiot like her mouths off to the wrong person, justice is served. One of those **** finally gets what they deserve, and that's why its funny. And believe me, the taser doesn't warrant a full minute of screaming. Yeah it hurts, but I would bet any money that she wanted attention and so she could cry "police brutality".
<!--QuoteBegin-WaterBoy+Jun 16 2005, 09:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (WaterBoy @ Jun 16 2005, 09:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> She reached climax... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah right we all know the female orgasm is just an urban legend
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 16 2005, 08:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 16 2005, 08:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So the cops should be the punching bag of the nation? No matter what, they cannot use force until you assault them? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Believe it or not, that's how peacekeeping works.
<!--QuoteBegin-Dubbilex+Jun 16 2005, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Jun 16 2005, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 16 2005, 08:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 16 2005, 08:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So the cops should be the punching bag of the nation? No matter what, they cannot use force until you assault them? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Believe it or not, that's how peacekeeping works. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Apparently it isn't. They decided to use the taser, and nobody got (mentionably) hurt. The peace was kept.
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 16 2005, 09:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 16 2005, 09:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Dubbilex+Jun 16 2005, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dubbilex @ Jun 16 2005, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jun 16 2005, 08:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jun 16 2005, 08:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So the cops should be the punching bag of the nation? No matter what, they cannot use force until you assault them? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Believe it or not, that's how peacekeeping works. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Apparently it isn't. They decided to use the taser, and nobody got (mentionably) hurt. The peace was kept. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So she was infact a threat to peace?
Yep. She was speeding without a license. I've seen my share of traffic victims during my work at the hospital, and they're rarely a pretty sight. And it doesn't matter who CAUSES the accident, people die indiscriminately.
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You're right. People should only be arrested when it is convenient for them.
<i>73-year-old</i> : "Officer Obst, could you help me over the street please?"
<i>Officer Obst</i> :*tazes*
\o/
Yes she was beeing a ****, yes she was resisting arrest, yes she drove dangerously, <b>no she was infact not frantically trying to stab the police officer into the temple</b>.
Imagine you hurrying to some friend of yours and get pulled over for speeding. Now you're young, and everyone has had their or their friends licence taken away at some point, and no one that young can actually afford a new car, right? So you're hurrying like the young hooligan you are and the police pull you over.
Ok you get mad, they come over to you and you call your friend saying these police officers are arresting me. "Show me xxx show me yyy" goes the officer, and you're like "**** this, I'm missing out on the partay" and keep talking bull on the phone just out of spite. Next thing you know <b>THE COP IS TASERING YOU</b>.
I know this might **** the average guy off, but tasering someone just for not listening to you is not the way to go.
If they had at least tried to remove her from the car forcefully I imagine it would have been more justified.
And she was not tazed because she did not listen, she was tazed for not obeying an authority.
Yes she was beeing a ****, yes she was resisting arrest, yes she drove dangerously, <b>no she was infact not frantically trying to stab the police officer into the temple</b>.
Imagine you hurrying to some friend of yours and get pulled over for speeding. Now you're young, and everyone has had their or their friends licence taken away at some point, and no one that young can actually afford a new car, right? So you're hurrying like the young hooligan you are and the police pull you over.
Ok you get mad, they come over to you and you call your friend saying these police officers are arresting me. "Show me xxx show me yyy" goes the officer, and you're like "**** this, I'm missing out on the partay" and keep talking bull on the phone just out of spite. Next thing you know <b>THE COP IS TASERING YOU</b>.
I know this might **** the average guy off, but tasering someone just for not listening to you is not the way to go.
If they had at least tried to remove her from the car forcefully I imagine it would have been more justified. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're missing the point of the police... if they say do something, you do it. Especially if they <b>warn you repeatedly</b>, you don't carry on as if they're not there, and act as if they won't do anything to you because you're a young white woman in an SUV.
The reasons why you lost your license, why you're speeding, and why you're still talking on your phone don't matter to them. What matters to them is that you stop doing it. If she had just put her phone away as she was pulled over, got out when they asked, she probably would have gotten off with a warning and a towed car (I don't know American legal system...), but she had to play high and mighty, and she got knocked down because of it.
And it's not like he said "Please show me your license and put down your phone", and then zapped her right away, they warned her enough to make <b>me</b> feel pretty intimidated just by watching the video. The amount of arrogance she displayed is amazing.
What part about this escapes people? <u>She wasn't mutilated.</u> If they'd tried to drag her out of the car they might well have gotten into a brawl, with the possibility for much more severe injuries than a tasering.
It's a free country, but that does not mean you're free to do whatever the hell you like and **** everyone else. If the police tells you to get out of the flipping car, you do it. No if, when and but. If you're unhappy about the treatment you get, you complain to their superior. But if you resist and get tasered, you only have yourself to blame. She could easily have avoided the situation by simply doing like she was told, but she wanted to see how far she could take things and it got her tasered. She has no reason to complain, tbh.
Heck, she was even mouthing off at the cop as he was aiming the taser at her. "Are you going to shoot me?" in a tone that practically spoke "Do you know who I am? I DARE you to shoot me!" She was really asking for it.
Now I understand it wasn't a punishment per'se, but he was just trying to remove the woman out of the car. Yes he did warn her very clearly, but still he tasered her for talking on the phone and ignoring the police. Is this something I've utterly missed? Are tasers the primary way of upholding the law? I dont see why he couldnt have tryed the good old physical way first, and THEN only tasoring her, as a last resort.
Christ, I didn't mean go John Woo on the woman :-/
They tasered her. She goes limp, practically flops out of the car, they handcuff her, no fuss, no injury (except the screaming, but it's been decided in the thread that this was pretty much a major-exagerration).
It seems a fairly straightforward thing to me... drag her out, possible scuffle, definately at least a little pain on at least one of them, maybe even a broken/fractured bone or two, or a quick tazering, which leaves no lasting injuries, really. Except pride.
<!--QuoteBegin-X Stickman+Jun 16 2005, 03:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (X Stickman @ Jun 16 2005, 03:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[...]It seems a fairly straightforward thing to me... drag her out, possible scuffle, definately at least a little pain on at least one of them, maybe even a broken/fractured bone or two, or a quick tazering, which leaves no lasting injuries, really. Except pride.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No harm done THERE. Her pride needed to be knocked down a couple of notches anyway.
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THAT is resisting arrest. She starts flailing? Taser in the face.
Yes.
1) Woman breaks the law
2) Officers ask her to get out of the car
3) Woman refuses
Now, the Officers think about the following choices:
a) Use force (pulling/pushing...) to get her out of the car, which might lead to injuries on both sides.
b) Tazering her, leading to injuries only on the side of the law-breaker
Now where was that paragraph about "personal safety first"? Looking at that, a) is no option.
ZING! TAZER IN THE FACE!!!!
Exactly.
That's the impression I get.
Now, I've never been tazed. I <i>don't</i> know how much it actually hurts, though that seems pretty irrelevant judging by the woman's reaction.
There are two things I take offense at: the taser seemed to be the first resort. Zapping someone who fails to respect authority is acceptable practise, is it? Yeah, they used to whip slaves, too. Life's not a ****ing webcomic - in the real world stupidity is <i>not</i> justification for inflicting physical pain.
Second, I'm kind of shocked at how many people find it <i>funny</i> to watch a video of a woman screaming on the ground. Hillarious. You make me sick.
Oh and she wasn't screaming, it sounds like she was crying.
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I'm sure you've encounted such **** idiots in your life, such as the woman in the video. The reason it's funny is because finally, when some idiot like her mouths off to the wrong person, justice is served. One of those **** finally gets what they deserve, and that's why its funny. And believe me, the taser doesn't warrant a full minute of screaming. Yeah it hurts, but I would bet any money that she wanted attention and so she could cry "police brutality".
Yeah right we all know the female orgasm is just an urban legend
Believe it or not, that's how peacekeeping works.
Case Closed.
Believe it or not, that's how peacekeeping works. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Apparently it isn't. They decided to use the taser, and nobody got (mentionably) hurt. The peace was kept.
Believe it or not, that's how peacekeeping works. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Apparently it isn't. They decided to use the taser, and nobody got (mentionably) hurt. The peace was kept. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
So she was infact a threat to peace?