<!--QuoteBegin-reasa+Jun 13 2005, 09:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (reasa @ Jun 13 2005, 09:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In Texas....yes. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It's sad to say, as a former student of a Texas School District, that I <b>completely ****ing agree with this.</b>
CplDavisI hunt the arctic SnonosJoin Date: 2003-01-09Member: 12097Members
wow this debate is still going on?
Why are so many people debating a general topic of TASERS in schools.
We should just limit it to a case by case basis.
Obviously there are schools where having TASERS would be an outright uneeded thing. And then again there are some schools where they would be a good option.
go go super taser saves the day <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"You have to understand, she was lashing out, kicking and scratching," sheriff's spokeswoman Ileana LiMarzi. "She was acting like an adult who needed to be restrained. Just because she's 13 doesn't mean she can't harm somebody."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sounds like she deserved it ...
Yes and No... but mostly yes... I know that it is needed... would you rather have them carrying a gun??? at least... What if a kid brings a gun to school... or something... who says the officer has to use the taser... anyway... maybe not... unless its really bad at the school... (I was an exchange student...)
go go super taser saves the day <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah, personally I'd rather he used physical force and beaten her into submission. And perhaps beaten some sense into her right afterwards.
Wouldn't <i>you</i> agree?
(Since of course, deactivating a person's muscles is so much worse than breaking them.)
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 25 2005, 07:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 25 2005, 07:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Huh. What's Xanax like/do? I have heard of some people becoming aggressive when taking marijuana, but most mellow out. Was it a result of using both? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I believe Xanax is an anti-depressant, so it was probably a combination of all the toxicity in her system.
I can't say I blame the officier for using a taser on someone who was off her head, especially after she flipped and hurt at least one nurse. It's not like we're talking about a teenage kid whose only crime was to bump into a bad tempered officer.
Agreed, as already stated. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->She was acting like an adult who needed to be restrained. Just because she's 13 doesn't mean she can't harm somebody<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Jun 19 2005, 12:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Jun 19 2005, 12:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Legionnaired+Jun 13 2005, 10:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Legionnaired @ Jun 13 2005, 10:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Issue them to every student with above a 3.2 GPA, or every member of National Honors Society, and teach them how to use it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This would encourage kids to <b>bring their own weapons</b>, else they would be weaponless. Great idea. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> There ya go. At least that's what I would do.
With CplDavis' explanation of how the use of force escalates, I believe the allowance of TASERs in schools is perfectally acceptable. I would much rather have a TASER available to an officer as his first choice that is dealing with the danger of an armed student (or person) than a handgun. It is a much more readily available choice to move to instead of the handgun and much safer on the aggressers end.
<!--QuoteBegin-Daizo+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Daizo)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Officer presence Verbal commands soft empty hand tactics (mearly holding your arm, to arm bars, holds) Hard empty hand tactics (palm strikes etc) Baton Deadly force
To me, there is a very large gap between Baton and Deadly Force, a gap that a Taser would help close, or at least make smaller.
Really, the biggest advantage a taser has is that it allows an officer to use Less that Lethal force at a distance. Without a taser, if the close range options (empty-hand, baton) can't be used, the only option is the gun, which is deadly force.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My thoughts exactally. Allowing TASERs in schools can only make it safer for the student body by bridging that gap. If the situation has risen to a point where a baton/deadly force is warrented for use, the TASER is definantly the way to go. Its hardly as if the officer will tase you for not having a hall pass. It is also additional security against an outside threat against the school.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Jun 14 2005, 04:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Jun 14 2005, 04:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And...this is necessary, because? I'm sorry, but I don't see any gang violence in my school. The only messed up kids around here are stoners and drunks, and tasers really wouldn't help with them... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> well I guess because sky doesn't see the need for them in his school then they're all unnecessary.
Personally, I would not mind having tasers in schools at all. It would just be another way to keep the schools safe.
<!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Jun 29 2005, 09:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Jun 29 2005, 09:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well I guess because sky doesn't see the need for them in his school then they're all unnecessary. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, yes, in his opinion. So what?
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 29 2005, 05:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 29 2005, 05:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Jun 29 2005, 09:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Jun 29 2005, 09:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well I guess because sky doesn't see the need for them in his school then they're all unnecessary. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, yes, in his opinion. So what? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah that's what I was saying. We all know every high school is just a clone of his so whats the point of even having tasers? I agree.
<!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Jun 29 2005, 07:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Jun 29 2005, 07:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jun 29 2005, 05:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jun 29 2005, 05:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Jun 29 2005, 09:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Jun 29 2005, 09:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well I guess because sky doesn't see the need for them in his school then they're all unnecessary. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well, yes, in his opinion. So what? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah that's what I was saying. We all know every high school is just a clone of his so whats the point of even having tasers? I agree. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> and we all know every high school is a clone of the persons who wishes to have tasers in school, so this fallacy of an argument can stop right now.
That_Annoying_KidSire of TitlesJoin Date: 2003-03-01Member: 14175Members, Constellation
yes, I think that tasers should be allowed to be used in schools, and for law enforcement
they provide non lethal situations in which peppers spray or guns would be used, both suck more than being tased I watched a video of a 22 year old Floridian mouth off to a cop and have the cop plainily state "get off the phone now or you will be tased" several times before preceding to taze her.
as for the 13 year old girls case, abso-******-lotuely no remorse there
what you say? she was handcuffed and 13? A) handcuffs go around hands, not feet, she wasn't hitting the door, she was kicking it
B) don't resist officers ever, it gives them the legal right to do things to you like tase or spray you. If you kick and scream in the back of a cruiser and start wailing on the door, expect to be sudued w/ force, regardless of age,race,etc
GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
Isn't this a little like re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic?
Why is there no debate on suitable punishment for the parents of said offenders? That's the actual problem here.
I guess the philosophy being espoused is why bother fixing the cause when you can simply manage one of the myriad problems and make a few bucks for Taser International at the same time?
<!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Jul 3 2005, 10:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Jul 3 2005, 10:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Isn't this a little like re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic?
Why is there no debate on suitable punishment for the parents of said offenders? That's the actual problem here.
I guess the philosophy being espoused is why bother fixing the cause when you can simply manage one of the myriad problems and make a few bucks for Taser International at the same time? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If the thread topic had been generalized to "What's the best method of deterring school violence?", then you'd probably see more poeple with that viewpoint posting. As it is, people are sticking to the thread topic, which was pretty narrowly presented.
It'd probably be a pretty interesting discussion of its own, though.
<!--QuoteBegin-Cagey+Jul 4 2005, 03:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cagey @ Jul 4 2005, 03:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As it is, people are sticking to the thread topic, which was pretty narrowly presented. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I resemble that statement ... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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It's sad to say, as a former student of a Texas School District, that I <b>completely ****ing agree with this.</b>
Why are so many people debating a general topic of TASERS in schools.
We should just limit it to a case by case basis.
Obviously there are schools where having TASERS would be an outright uneeded thing.
And then again there are some schools where they would be a good option.
Done. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
90lbs 13 year old girl
go go super taser saves the day
90lbs 13 year old girl
go go super taser saves the day <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"You have to understand, she was lashing out, kicking and scratching," sheriff's spokeswoman Ileana LiMarzi. "She was acting like an adult who needed to be restrained. Just because she's 13 doesn't mean she can't harm somebody."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sounds like she deserved it ...
90lbs 13 year old girl
go go super taser saves the day <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, personally I'd rather he used physical force and beaten her into submission. And perhaps beaten some sense into her right afterwards.
Wouldn't <i>you</i> agree?
(Since of course, deactivating a person's muscles is so much worse than breaking them.)
I believe Xanax is an anti-depressant, so it was probably a combination of all the toxicity in her system.
I can't say I blame the officier for using a taser on someone who was off her head, especially after she flipped and hurt at least one nurse. It's not like we're talking about a teenage kid whose only crime was to bump into a bad tempered officer.
This would encourage kids to <b>bring their own weapons</b>, else they would be weaponless. Great idea. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
There ya go. At least that's what I would do.
<!--QuoteBegin-Daizo+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Daizo)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Officer presence
Verbal commands
soft empty hand tactics (mearly holding your arm, to arm bars, holds)
Hard empty hand tactics (palm strikes etc)
Baton
Deadly force
To me, there is a very large gap between Baton and Deadly Force, a gap that a Taser would help close, or at least make smaller.
Really, the biggest advantage a taser has is that it allows an officer to use Less that Lethal force at a distance. Without a taser, if the close range options (empty-hand, baton) can't be used, the only option is the gun, which is deadly force.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My thoughts exactally. Allowing TASERs in schools can only make it safer for the student body by bridging that gap. If the situation has risen to a point where a baton/deadly force is warrented for use, the TASER is definantly the way to go. Its hardly as if the officer will tase you for not having a hall pass. It is also additional security against an outside threat against the school.
well I guess because sky doesn't see the need for them in his school then they're all unnecessary.
Personally, I would not mind having tasers in schools at all. It would just be another way to keep the schools safe.
Well, yes, in his opinion. So what?
Well, yes, in his opinion. So what? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yeah that's what I was saying. We all know every high school is just a clone of his so whats the point of even having tasers? I agree.
Well, yes, in his opinion. So what? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
yeah that's what I was saying. We all know every high school is just a clone of his so whats the point of even having tasers? I agree. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
and we all know every high school is a clone of the persons who wishes to have tasers in school, so this fallacy of an argument can stop right now.
they provide non lethal situations in which peppers spray or guns would be used, both suck more than being tased
I watched a video of a 22 year old Floridian mouth off to a cop and have the cop plainily state "get off the phone now or you will be tased" several times before preceding to taze her.
as for the 13 year old girls case, abso-******-lotuely no remorse there
what you say? she was handcuffed and 13?
A) handcuffs go around hands, not feet, she wasn't hitting the door, she was kicking it
B) don't resist officers ever, it gives them the legal right to do things to you like tase or spray you. If you kick and scream in the back of a cruiser and start wailing on the door, expect to be sudued w/ force, regardless of age,race,etc
Why is there no debate on suitable punishment for the parents of said offenders? That's the actual problem here.
I guess the philosophy being espoused is why bother fixing the cause when you can simply manage one of the myriad problems and make a few bucks for Taser International at the same time?
Why is there no debate on suitable punishment for the parents of said offenders? That's the actual problem here.
I guess the philosophy being espoused is why bother fixing the cause when you can simply manage one of the myriad problems and make a few bucks for Taser International at the same time? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If the thread topic had been generalized to "What's the best method of deterring school violence?", then you'd probably see more poeple with that viewpoint posting. As it is, people are sticking to the thread topic, which was pretty narrowly presented.
It'd probably be a pretty interesting discussion of its own, though.
I resemble that statement ... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I resemble that statement ... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
How is that physically possible? o_O
I resemble that statement ... <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
How is that physically possible? o_O <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhm, Bart Simpson said it first, ask him. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->